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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5460 on: May 30, 2012, 11:36:57 AM »
I have no idea of what things are like there, but I'd point out that in Africa, like anywhere else, there's bound to be lots of different ways to approach certain problems.   Some solutions will please certain people more than others.   I'm not saying what Bono is doing must be right somehow but just that 'help' comes in varying shades and hues.

That said, the thing that struck me about his activism, which I find simultaneously admirable and distressing sometimes, is that he's unbelievably gutsy (to put it nicely) about compromising to get what he wants.   He 'drives a hard bargain'...on himself, or so it seems sometimes.   This struck me particularly deeply when I flipped through the HTDAAB book.   You know what I mean: the page where he goes off on a little rant about politicians who refuse to compromise for the sake of machismo, and cling to the semblance of ideals, and make 'compromise' a dirty word.   What jumps out from between the lines there, and also from the lyrics of, say, Peace on Earth (their lives were bigger than / any big idea) is that it's concrete results in particular individuals' lives that matter to him.   Ends, not means; people, not (standing on) principle, are what's important.

It kind of fits in with his talent in chess as a child, and with what Larry (I think) has said of him on occasion.   That he knows what he wants and is very good at intuitively grasping how to get there.   Remember that comment he made about 'why can't we get antiretrovirals out to people in Coke trucks, Coke gets everywhere'?   Coca-Cola has probably had its fair share of unsavoury untrammelled corporate greed and ruthlessness, like Monsanto.   But I'm guessing it doesn't matter much to Bono in the grand scheme of things.   Like how he wasn't going to be all 'not going to sully myself with the company of Bush and Blair', even though Larry and Edge (at least) thought of those two as war criminals.

Of course, the other aspect of it could be, as loth as I am to admit it, that he's just had to get used to mixing with people whose business activities aren't exactly angelic.   I guess that's inevitably his set now.   Look at Steve Jobs; with all due respect, that man ultimately is at least partly culpable for the near-slavery conditions that Apple's manufacturers employ Chinese workers under.   And yet Bono has nothing but good things to say about the man, and U2 worked with Apple on a product that was probably assembled in those factories.

What you said there actually reminded me of what Bono says in that recorded interview with him I posted just above. It's not the same subject, but the ideas are similar. When he talks about his epiphany: That maybe it isn't dignity which is important, but humility.
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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5461 on: May 30, 2012, 01:11:18 PM »
Good points, Velvet. I admire Bono's chutzpah, most definitely. And I certainly think he means it for good. Government is surely a distasteful business. I've seen it firsthand working in it at the highest level. All the good intentions cannot begin (or at the most barely begin) to clear the cogs of the powers that be. (Ever see the movie The International w/ Clive Owens? I think it spot on and only the tip of what is out there.)

What my businessman friend does not embrace is Bono's stance to have nations donate the money. He thinks it needs to be private aid. I know Bono knows and addresses the government corruption inherent in the situation and states that most of the problems and deaths occur from it. You still have to deal in it to some degree because that's what already exists. Messy messy.

The big corporations mentioned in the link above cause concern. Yes, they are private and that is the way to go, but they are huge businesses that are likely corrupt as well. Sigh...

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5462 on: May 30, 2012, 03:09:53 PM »
Love him in the dress.  ;)


This is so lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG6L3Xarqs

That was really mesmerizing to watch as the artist illustrated the conversation. Wow, could you imagine if all Bono's thoughts were drawn out like that? Madness, haha!

What always strikes me about Bono when he talks to interviewers is how willing he is (seemingly) to completely give of himself. We didn't hear how the interviewer asked the question the first time, but the second time he definitely kind of just tossed it out there...and instead of Bono coming up with some humorous anecdote that wasn't too personal like I would think most people would, he starts in on a very, very personal story, that had some humorous points but overall was bittersweet and meaningful.

His is a spirit that is light in darkness. Seriously, I love that man.  ;)  -- Thanks for sharing this clip PBBB!

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5464 on: May 30, 2012, 07:16:33 PM »

Oh That Chest! Oh and everything else about him too . . . .

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« Reply #5465 on: May 30, 2012, 07:17:12 PM »

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« Reply #5466 on: May 30, 2012, 08:00:36 PM »
Elevation Bono.  Sigh.

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« Reply #5467 on: May 30, 2012, 08:02:55 PM »

Oh That Chest! Oh and everything else about him too . . . .

I hadn't seen that one before - love the tousled hair. . . . .*sigh*

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5468 on: May 30, 2012, 09:05:10 PM »
Love him in the dress.  ;)


This is so lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG6L3Xarqs

That was really mesmerizing to watch as the artist illustrated the conversation. Wow, could you imagine if all Bono's thoughts were drawn out like that? Madness, haha!

What always strikes me about Bono when he talks to interviewers is how willing he is (seemingly) to completely give of himself. We didn't hear how the interviewer asked the question the first time, but the second time he definitely kind of just tossed it out there...and instead of Bono coming up with some humorous anecdote that wasn't too personal like I would think most people would, he starts in on a very, very personal story, that had some humorous points but overall was bittersweet and meaningful.

His is a spirit that is light in darkness. Seriously, I love that man.  ;)  -- Thanks for sharing this clip PBBB!

You're welcome.  :) And I so agree.

And I love that interview as well. I could listen to that beautiful voice for hours, but hearing him speaking so lovingly about his dad is just amazing. The part where he talks about holding his father's hand is precious.

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5470 on: May 31, 2012, 09:07:16 AM »


And a jolly good morning to you too! Yumm yumm!  :-*

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« Reply #5471 on: May 31, 2012, 04:59:10 PM »
Gah, you all are killing me with these pictures today! This one just floored me...obviously AB era, but his face seems almost from the mid eighties in it's youth. Super envious of the fan who has this as their "I met Bono!" pic. The complete fangirl in me would have her eyes completely transfixed on that chest, hehe. ::dies again for good measure::



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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5472 on: May 31, 2012, 05:13:17 PM »

This is so lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG6L3Xarqs

That was really mesmerizing to watch as the artist illustrated the conversation. Wow, could you imagine if all Bono's thoughts were drawn out like that? Madness, haha!

What always strikes me about Bono when he talks to interviewers is how willing he is (seemingly) to completely give of himself. We didn't hear how the interviewer asked the question the first time, but the second time he definitely kind of just tossed it out there...and instead of Bono coming up with some humorous anecdote that wasn't too personal like I would think most people would, he starts in on a very, very personal story, that had some humorous points but overall was bittersweet and meaningful.

His is a spirit that is light in darkness. Seriously, I love that man.  ;)  -- Thanks for sharing this clip PBBB!

You're welcome.  :) And I so agree.

And I love that interview as well. I could listen to that beautiful voice for hours, but hearing him speaking so lovingly about his dad is just amazing. The part where he talks about holding his father's hand is precious.

Seriously, that is just so so personal. <3 (about holding his father's hand)

I feel you on hearing his voice! I have a few interviews that I've listened to to the point of memorizing them because of how many times I've played them...just to hear him talking. Of course I'm listening to what he's saying, but some days it's just soothing. (Am I entering creepy fan territory here?! LOL!)

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5473 on: May 31, 2012, 06:04:23 PM »

This is so lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG6L3Xarqs

That was really mesmerizing to watch as the artist illustrated the conversation. Wow, could you imagine if all Bono's thoughts were drawn out like that? Madness, haha!

What always strikes me about Bono when he talks to interviewers is how willing he is (seemingly) to completely give of himself. We didn't hear how the interviewer asked the question the first time, but the second time he definitely kind of just tossed it out there...and instead of Bono coming up with some humorous anecdote that wasn't too personal like I would think most people would, he starts in on a very, very personal story, that had some humorous points but overall was bittersweet and meaningful.

His is a spirit that is light in darkness. Seriously, I love that man.  ;)  -- Thanks for sharing this clip PBBB!

You're welcome.  :) And I so agree.

And I love that interview as well. I could listen to that beautiful voice for hours, but hearing him speaking so lovingly about his dad is just amazing. The part where he talks about holding his father's hand is precious.

Seriously, that is just so so personal. <3 (about holding his father's hand)

I feel you on hearing his voice! I have a few interviews that I've listened to to the point of memorizing them because of how many times I've played them...just to hear him talking. Of course I'm listening to what he's saying, but some days it's just soothing. (Am I entering creepy fan territory here?! LOL!)

I think you're pretty normal.  ;) His voice is just divine.

And ok I'll admit it... I've listened to that interview where he says he was having too much sex maybe a few extra times...  :-X  ::)

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Re: Bono Still Rocks My World!
« Reply #5474 on: May 31, 2012, 07:13:49 PM »
A friend just shared this on Facebook.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/u2-bono-celeb-partners-with-monsanto-g8.html


I don't like that headline one bit, but I'm finding Bono's activity re: Africa increasingly complicated and difficult to understand so I don't know exactly what to think. I think he's well intentioned but sometimes I do feel he misreads signals (e.g., name checking of politicians at US concerts...some of whom were loudly boo'd yet he continued to do it...just saying!)

I'm also aware that this may not be an unbiased report. But when I see "Monsanto," I cringe.

Anything to do with Monsanto makes me cringe. I hope he does his research on them and understands what Monsanto does and the reprucussions of how they conduct their business.

I need more info and some type of way to judge the truth of it. I have a friend who does small business development in Ghana and he is wary of government programs and thinks that while Bono means well, his alliances are not for the best and he does not support Bono's positions. (He still likes his music, though.)

Farisfan, do you have any info we can read up on to know what's what?  :-\

Sorry mdmom, I've not been able to be around much of late and just saw this.  I will have to think about this a bit.  I think Velvet Dress's response is a very good one.  Development is a difficult topic.  Like all of life, you'll get the gamut of opinions (and disagreements).  And anthropologists will usually disagree with many NGO administrators.  However, I find myself reluctant to criticise often.  This is not that there isn't room for improvement or even need for overhaul at times, nor even that "something is better than nothing" always but still I hesitate to lob rocks at people who are out there really trying to make a difference.  In Ghana, the gov't programs are not any better run than our own here in America.  However, if you listen to some of the things (Ghana's) President Atta-Mills said at the Chicago Symposium not but a couple weeks ago, there are a number of really good ideas floating around out there.  And there have been incredible improvements in Ghana over the last 15 years, revolutionary really. It has been amazing to watch!  (not sure how long your friend has been there, nor where he works or in what capacity... all those answers would affect his/ her views on things)   I personally think much (most?) of Bono's work in Ghana is a good thing, and not just b/c I am part of the non-existent Bono-mafia  ;), and not because I necessarily think everything he does is right.  However, he listens to people.  He listens to people at the top (in government, heads of NGO's, heads of state, etc) but he also listens to the little people.  This has been seen in Ghana numerous times.  And when one truly listens, hears what are the heart-felt issues of the people on the ground, then allow the "think-tank" people to go at it, come back to the people on the ground and listen again, and then come back later to check the results and see where things have matched up (or not)... this is a process in which there is room to grow, learn, change and truly make a difference.  As Bono said at the Chicago Symposium, the time for paternalism is past and now is the time for true partnership. Not partnership in name only but true partnership. And that will be a complicated affair, a dance of sorts.

On the "readings" idea-- I will really give that one some thought and try to come up with some things.