U2 in the 90s

[The Exile]

See, I think you just proved my point exactly by deciding that the poll showed 'hatred for the 00s' when of course it could just as easily have showed that everyone LOVED the 00s but preferred the 80s and 90s. You just read into it what you wanted to.

Nice try. I was just using hyberbolical language as a concession to those who read a dislike for the '00s as hatred. Everything I am saying still stands, and is backed up by the evidence Dice has adduced.

[MLP Midnight]

I don't see anybody actually hating the 00s. Some great tunes were created during the last 10 years, even if the overall package is nowhere near the 90s or 80s.

[The Exile]

I don't see anybody actually hating the 00s. Some great tunes were created during the last 10 years, even if the overall package is nowhere near the 90s or 80s.

I prefer Kite, MOS, Magnificent, COL, and F-BB to lots of '80s and '90s songs. I don't see anyone here as that shallow and one-dimensional to just hate some songs and love others simply due to their respective decades.

[MLP Midnight]

I don't see anybody actually hating the 00s. Some great tunes were created during the last 10 years, even if the overall package is nowhere near the 90s or 80s.

I prefer Kite, MOS, Magnificent, COL, and F-BB to lots of '80s and '90s songs. I don't see anyone here as that shallow and one-dimensional to just hate some songs and love others simply due to their respective decades.

I can't either, but then again you do never know.

[The Unknown Caller]

Well then, it seems to me that the only real point of contention is that you feel a need to have your opinion validated by having it seen as objective fact and most of us don't. I apologise for putting it in such harsh terms but I honestly don't know how else to explain your insistence that there is an objective quality level here and that it coincides with your view.

[Tumbling Dice]

Well then, it seems to me that the only real point of contention is that you feel a need to have your opinion validated by having it seen as objective fact and most of us don't.

So says the guy who has a love of quoting the findings of opinion polls to support his political arguments. 

[The Exile]

Well then, it seems to me that the only real point of contention is that you feel a need to have your opinion validated by having it seen as objective fact and most of us don't. I apologise for putting it in such harsh terms but I honestly don't know how else to explain your insistence that there is an objective quality level here and that it coincides with your view.

Condescend much?

I was arguing my opinion long before Dice posted his old poll that coincided with it.

[The Unknown Caller]

Well then, it seems to me that the only real point of contention is that you feel a need to have your opinion validated by having it seen as objective fact and most of us don't.

So says the guy who has a love of quoting the findings of opinion polls to support his political arguments. 

...Yes? I cite polls to demonstrate public opinion, not to prove objective facts. If the argument here was that the 90s is the most popular decade among fans, I'd have no disagreement with that! 

I was arguing my opinion long before Dice posted his old poll that coincided with it.

I know, and you have also been arguing for some time that your opinion should be treated as empirical fact, which is what I take issue with.

[Tumbling Dice]

Well then, it seems to me that the only real point of contention is that you feel a need to have your opinion validated by having it seen as objective fact and most of us don't.

So says the guy who has a love of quoting the findings of opinion polls to support his political arguments. 

...Yes? I cite polls to demonstrate public opinion, not to prove objective facts. If the argument here was that the 90s is the most popular decade among fans, I'd have no disagreement with that! 

This poll demonstrates opinion among voters on this forum.  It also happens to support The Exile's opinion.

[The Unknown Caller]

Sure, but the thing is, we weren't arguing whether his opinion was popular- I never said that it wasn't. He was specifically claiming that it was the same as objective fact, objective quality, and I continue to find that assertion totally absurd.  And the poll does nothing to affect that.

[Tumbling Dice]

Sure, but the thing is, we weren't arguing whether his opinion was popular- I never said that it wasn't. He was specifically claiming that it was the same as objective fact, objective quality, and I continue to find that assertion totally absurd.

What opinion did he specifically claim was objective fact?

[The Unknown Caller]

He specifically claimed that the 80s and 90s had 'objective superiority' over the 00s in terms of quality. Which, again, I think - as someone who PROBABLY prefers both- is patently ridiculous.

[Tumbling Dice]

And 55% prefer the '90s regardless of what era they were introduced to the band.

Awesome.

Aah...the '90s. I wish I were a teenager in that decade. U2 at their finest!

 

[The Exile]

He specifically claimed that the 80s and 90s had 'objective superiority' over the 00s in terms of quality. Which, again, I think - as someone who PROBABLY prefers both- is patently ridiculous.

But I do think that the '80s and '90s are objectively superior to the '00s. Why is that at all controversial? You may not agree, just like you may not agree that steak is superior to a Big Mac, but no one is trying to rob you of your right to your opinion (even though I would think it wrong).

And let's not forget, you are the one who claimed that it's all subjective since everyone just prefers their introductory decade, which is false.

[Tumbling Dice]

Let's be pretty blunt here; it's very well documented that people tend to idolise the period when they were in their own prime and bemoan the state of music since then, while discounting music before then. Yes, you have some people who will not fall into that, and no it doesn't make your opinion any less worthy if it happens to coincide with that, but let's bear it in mind.

I became a U2 fan in the 80s, but think the early 90s was their best period, although I guess you could say I was in my 'prime' (subjective term) then, too.  I also, on balance, prefer music from before my 'prime', so I far from 'discount' it- for example, I became a Rolling Stones fan in 1989 when Steel Wheels was in the charts and yet I don't have much fondness for it now, but consider the late 60s to early 70s to be their 'golden age', which was before my time.

It's why almost everyone thinks that the era when they became a big U2 fan was the TRUE golden age of U2.

You're wrong there.  According to my old poll, the clear majority of fans introduced to U2 in the 00s consider the 90s to be their favourite era, nearly half of the new fans in the '80s consider the 90s to be their favourite era, but you are right about one group- the clear majority of the 90's intake think the 90s is the true golden age of U2.