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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2012, 09:04:11 AM »
This question really can't be answered by any of us. We don't really know what the band is truly thinking about right now.

Honestly, when we got news of Adam Clayton becoming a father, I started to get a notion that 360 might just be the cherry on top of the incredible career of the band. I was curious onto what Adam would do about that. It's not like they need to tour and make music like they did in the 90s and 80s. They're free to have any sort of pace they feel like, and don't even say that they need the money. I think they have plenty of that around.

They clearly are not out of ideas musically, as according to many they had a ton of other music made during the sessions in Fez that wasn't used. I'd like to hear just what some of that really sounds like.

I think there is a point in making an album for them in this stage of their careers. The problem is that NLOTH's overall reception in their minds delivered a kick to a wound that has been created with the release of Pop and subsequent Popmart tour. Their confidence was shaken, and is probably the reason Bono is so set out on creating these radio hits, because NLOTH didn't have any. Bomb had Vertigo, ATYCLB had Beautiful Day.

NLOTH had... Boots? Magnificent? Crazy Tonight? None of the above?

They are willing to experiment still, and work with new people (Dangermouse etc). So I think that there is definitely still something there that they want to do.

It's a matter of them being confident enough to do it.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 10:14:44 AM »
I want to assume you are a recreational or amateur musician. Correct me if I am wrong.

U2 have always mentioned in all interviews that music is their job. Bono thanks Mullen Jnr for "the only job we've ever had" or when they had a good album they said they were "re-applying for the best-band-in-the-world job." A job needs pay. 

U2 don't do think out of thin air just for the sake of making music. It has to make money for them because they don't know any other job or source of income.

From the band's point of view, they might have found better ways to cash-in on the current music landscape opposed to just recording an album.  With U2's admittedly crude method of coming up with new albums and recording studio jamming-without-a-plan style, it will be very expensive for them.

If the band remaster their old catalogues, sell riffs to TV shows and even to mainstream top-40 singles-only artists, they might stand to make more profit and still keep jobs for their studio people (or their support system who depend on them for salaries) to remaster, rework, or remix old material.  It would be less taxing and the wages would be the same.

From my fanboy's perspective, of course I want new material. I probably memorize all of U2's songs (except POP) by heart and want something new.  In an ideal world, U2 will continue for the love of music regardless of losses and disappearing listeners.  But this is not an ideal world, this is a "job" and "career" for U2, and they need to check their productivity, age, and profitability.

So what is the point in making a new album?

Cheers,

J

Nope, not a recreational or amateur musician. :) I'm working toward pursuing it professionally/seriously and hopefully landing a record deal at some point.....not before touring and paying my dues, of course. The difference between myself and many pro musicians is that I do have a back-up plan as I have a college degree and a full-time job....but every hour that I'm not working I'm writing songs/playing my instruments. So I guess you could say money is kind of a factor for me, but not a huge one. I'd gladly do music full-time if it paid my bills and that's ultimately the goal.

The only problem with what you've written is that, while it applies to 99% of artists out there, it does not apply to U2. We know that Edge and Bono both have a significant amount of money from investments/endorsements--or at least they should considering some of the great investments they've made lately (Facebook). I don't know about Adam and Larry, but I'd assume as equal members of U2, they're netting a significant amount of money from royalties/tours/new albums. Perhaps 10-15 years ago you could say money was a concern for U2, but today, with a catalog of 30 years worth of songs and millions of songs/albums sold every year from said catalog, the guys are probably doing pretty well for themselves financially.

They can still sell/license songs while also continuing to tour/record new songs, if money is really a concern for them.

If they do not enjoy playing music anymore, then hanging it up makes sense. They don't need to keep recording new music to stay afloat/rich.

If they DO still get a thrill out of playing/recording music, then making a new record (or several) makes sense. Most musicians, unless it's truly a "job" or something they're only doing for the sake of being famous/making money, get a thrill out of creating new music. That's why so many struggling musicians continue to make music--because of the thrill and creative fulfillment. Even if my music never takes off, I'm always going to pick up a guitar or bass or write lyrics simply because of the enjoyment I get from making music. I'd like to think U2 have the same passion for music, and if they don't, it's probably time to go out.

Thing is, with how poorly the band seems to have viewed NLOTH, I can't imagine them going away now. I would think they'd be more inclined to try to make one or two more great albums before going away, just to ensure that their legacy stays in tact. And they're still relatively young, so even if they do hang things up, it wouldn't shock me to see them come back together in 10-20 years time. I mean, look at the Rolling Stones. They seem to take significant breaks between touring and then come back together every now and then. Same could happen with U2.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 12:05:06 PM »
Speaking purely from a musician's perspective: yes. If I were in U2's shoes and still loved making music, that would be enough to motivate me to continue putting out new music--not to mention wanting to please my fans. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the guys don't like writing/recording/touring new music, so I don't think they're at the point of hanging things up.

There's also the relevancy aspect. Bono's made it clear that he wants U2 to continue to be relevant. Not sure how the rest of the band feels about that, but to stay relevant, a new album's going to have to be in the cards at some point.

It seems like every decade U2 are at a stage where they have to change things up or give it up. 1990/1991, 2000 and now. Each time they've managed to put out something truly great in response to this choice. Hopefully they use this as an excuse to take a breather, enjoy life with their families for a little while, and come back to "dream it all up again" with another great CD.

I want to assume you are a recreational or amateur musician. Correct me if I am wrong.

U2 have always mentioned in all interviews that music is their job. Bono thanks Mullen Jnr for "the only job we've ever had" or when they had a good album they said they were "re-applying for the best-band-in-the-world job." A job needs pay. 

U2 don't do think out of thin air just for the sake of making music. It has to make money for them because they don't know any other job or source of income.

From the band's point of view, they might have found better ways to cash-in on the current music landscape opposed to just recording an album.  With U2's admittedly crude method of coming up with new albums and recording studio jamming-without-a-plan style, it will be very expensive for them.

If the band remaster their old catalogues, sell riffs to TV shows and even to mainstream top-40 singles-only artists, they might stand to make more profit and still keep jobs for their studio people (or their support system who depend on them for salaries) to remaster, rework, or remix old material.  It would be less taxing and the wages would be the same.

From my fanboy's perspective, of course I want new material. I probably memorize all of U2's songs (except POP) by heart and want something new.  In an ideal world, U2 will continue for the love of music regardless of losses and disappearing listeners.  But this is not an ideal world, this is a "job" and "career" for U2, and they need to check their productivity, age, and profitability.

So what is the point in making a new album?

Cheers,

J


Well, from their point of view, they like albums. So I think they will remain an album band.

But you're correct: things have changed. People can go and select their own tracks and create their own albums song by song.

But singles might be even more in trouble than the album.

People can bypass traditional promotional platforms(video, television appearances, radio) and go straight to the material and pick what they like best, track by track.

So I think the single, as an effective promotional tool, has been severely diminished in the last decade.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 12:06:25 PM »
Yes.  Listen to R.E.M's and Springsteen's latest albums.


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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 12:20:11 PM »
did someone hijack jick's account? he (if it's really him) actually makes several good points and raises good questions as well.

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on topic: making a new album is the point, not something a band or artist uses to make one.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2012, 12:25:19 PM »
Yes.  Listen to R.E.M's and Springsteen's latest albums.

Agreed. Both are fantastic examples of the fact that an artist, even if they're "old" can still make a great CD.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2012, 01:57:38 PM »
did someone hijack jick's account? he (if it's really him) actually makes several good points and raises good questions as well.

:P

on topic: making a new album is the point, not something a band or artist uses to make one.

I think jick almost always makes good points. He just had poor taste in music, but that doesn't make his posts any less thoughtful.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 02:02:56 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.


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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 02:04:15 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

Spot on

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 02:06:06 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

Spot on

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 02:06:46 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

Spot on

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2012, 02:08:09 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

That's why the Leno stuff was so much better than the Sillywhite stuff. The latter didn't sound as credible(except for Breathe). And they need to stop wearing kids clothes.

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2012, 02:09:24 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

Spot on

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2012, 02:11:18 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

That's why the Leno stuff was so much better than the Sillywhite stuff. The latter didn't sound as credible(except for Breathe). And they need to stop wearing kids clothes.

Bono's recent terminator look was particularly poor and Adam looked like a right mincer in those tight white trousers.

Edge usually looks good though.

Larrys been wearing the same clothes since he was 14

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Re: Is There Still Any Point In U2 Making A New Album?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 02:13:34 PM »
I think the bands method of recording is what's taking it's toll. Just jamming for hours then putting together songs doesn't sound very productive. It has worked for them because they were hungry, eager to produce something. I would think by this point they would write songs and then work out melodies and stuff to them. It seems like they work bass-ackwards. :)

Also, writing radio songs catering to younger ones doesn't really work when you're 50.  A group of 50 year-olds aren't going to pull off writing about "girls" and stuff like that. They really need to listen to Bruce's new album, I'm not saying it's perfect, but they need to mature their material or they'll look creepy. They need to also stop taking on trends that the 20 year old bands do, Bono looked silly in guyliner during the NLOTH early shoots.

Spot on

I think it was Maybelline.

I was born with it  :-*

You were probably born with a cone shaped bra.

Beats stuffing it with socks...