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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2012, 03:56:21 PM »
Tomorrow starts the championship run for Matty Stafford, Megatron and the rest of the boys in Detroit

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2012, 04:19:08 PM »
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It was blown WAY out of proportion, and pretty much every team was doing practically the same thing in terms of the signals, the Pats just got "caught" doing something they thought was in the rules, but misinterpreted it.

The thing that I think is pretty funny is whenever someone doesn't like the Pats or they're jealous, they just go straight to the Spygate silliness. I guess It's easy to have resentment towards a team which has been to 5 Superbowl's in the last 11 years.

Spygate was easily the most overblown controversy in the history of sports, it was just ridiculous. 

Oh well at least you're not denying it was wrong anymore. The education process continues.

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2012, 04:24:43 PM »
Yes it's so easy to misinterpret "don't tape the other teams practice sessions" as "yes it's okay to tape the other team's practices"

If one thing Belicheat isn't it's "stupid".


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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2012, 10:39:22 PM »
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It was blown WAY out of proportion, and pretty much every team was doing practically the same thing in terms of the signals, the Pats just got "caught" doing something they thought was in the rules, but misinterpreted it.

The thing that I think is pretty funny is whenever someone doesn't like the Pats or they're jealous, they just go straight to the Spygate silliness. I guess It's easy to have resentment towards a team which has been to 5 Superbowl's in the last 11 years.

Spygate was easily the most overblown controversy in the history of sports, it was just ridiculous. 

Oh well at least you're not denying it was wrong anymore. The education process continues.

No chowd left behind.

Spygate was wrong, but it wasn't the main reason why everyone hates the Pats. It's because Belichick is a complete jerk who is rude to everyone, and although the Jets have the same issue with Rex Ryan, at least they suck, so you don't have to worry about the idiots beating you!

People also hate the Pats for the same reason they hate the Red Sox: you Boston fans view yourselves as underdogs, and it's annoying as I'll get out. All of your teams have been better than New York's for the last 10 years or so. We get it. Stop treating it like you've done something incredible.

If any city has the right to call themselves underdogs, it's Seattle. The Seahawks have never won a Super Bowl, and the Mariners have never even reached a World Series. And the Sonics were hijacked.

So essentially, it's someone else's turn to be the dominant NFL team, and you guys don't want to play nice and share. The 49ers, Cowboys, Packers, and Steelers all had their bad years after dominating, and we want you guys to hurry up and reach yours so a new, fresh team like the Panthers, Texans, Seahawks, or Lions can finally win a title.

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2012, 12:12:12 AM »
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It was blown WAY out of proportion, and pretty much every team was doing practically the same thing in terms of the signals, the Pats just got "caught" doing something they thought was in the rules, but misinterpreted it.

The thing that I think is pretty funny is whenever someone doesn't like the Pats or they're jealous, they just go straight to the Spygate silliness. I guess It's easy to have resentment towards a team which has been to 5 Superbowl's in the last 11 years.

Spygate was easily the most overblown controversy in the history of sports, it was just ridiculous. 

Oh well at least you're not denying it was wrong anymore. The education process continues.

No chowd left behind.

Spygate was wrong, but it wasn't the main reason why everyone hates the Pats. It's because Belichick is a complete jerk who is rude to everyone, and although the Jets have the same issue with Rex Ryan, at least they suck, so you don't have to worry about the idiots beating you!

People also hate the Pats for the same reason they hate the Red Sox: you Boston fans view yourselves as underdogs, and it's annoying as I'll get out. All of your teams have been better than New York's for the last 10 years or so. We get it. Stop treating it like you've done something incredible.

If any city has the right to call themselves underdogs, it's Seattle. The Seahawks have never won a Super Bowl, and the Mariners have never even reached a World Series. And the Sonics were hijacked.

So essentially, it's someone else's turn to be the dominant NFL team, and you guys don't want to play nice and share. The 49ers, Cowboys, Packers, and Steelers all had their bad years after dominating, and we want you guys to hurry up and reach yours so a new, fresh team like the Panthers, Texans, Seahawks, or Lions can finally win a title.

Belichick just does that because he hates the media. Thus, he's not but-buddies with everyone in media, he's portrayed in a poor light. The NFL network did a documentary on him during the 2009 season, as he's honestly one of the most down to earth, niceest guys you'll meet. He ust doesn't like dealing with media B.S., which is understandable.

I think the whole underdog phase was gone once the Sox won 2004. I think now it's more of a bravado kind of thing because we've had such a successful past decade with all the teams.

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2012, 07:53:58 AM »
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Tomorrow starts the championship run for Matty Stafford, Megatron and the rest of the boys in Detroit

they've got a brutal road in front of them. I'll just be happy to see them make the playoffs again.

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« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2012, 08:00:02 AM »
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Tomorrow starts the championship run for Matty Stafford, Megatron and the rest of the boys in Detroit

they've got a brutal road in front of them. I'll just be happy to see them make the playoffs again.
just need to step it up in Chicago and Cheese-Land

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2012, 02:15:34 PM »
well not how I wanted the season to start. but it's a win

Matty Stafford 3 Int's and 1 TD. shame

but how about Kevin Smith. 2 TD's. one on the ground and one through the air to go ahead with 10 seconds left

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »
hold on San Fran - let's see the Packers in last place for at least one week!  :D

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« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2012, 05:51:35 PM »
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hold on San Fran - let's see the Packers in last place for at least one week!  :D
hell yea :D

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2012, 06:08:25 PM »
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Yes it's so easy to misinterpret "don't tape the other teams practice sessions" as "yes it's okay to tape the other team's practices"

If one thing Belicheat isn't it's "stupid".



You are 100% wrong and mis-informed. There was a story that came out right before the 2007 Super Bowl that the Pats had taped the Rams walk through before the 2001 Super Bowl. This was proved to be utterly false and the person who reported it was fired from covering the NFL.

"In New York, where Walsh and Goodell met at 7:30 a.m. and league officials later publicly showed footage from Walsh's tapes, Goodell said a key purpose in speaking with Walsh was to learn more about the alleged filming of the Rams' walkthrough.

"We were able to verify that there was no Rams walkthrough tape," Goodell said. "No one asked him to tape the walkthrough. He's not aware of anybody else who may have taped the walkthrough. He had not seen such a tape. He does not know of anybody who says there is a tape."


Truth be told, Spygate was the most overblown story in the history of sports. There were many teams who taped signals, and in 2006 the NFL put there foot down and said teams could not tape from the sidelines. In 2006 the Patriots themselves blocked a Jets cameraman from taping on the New England sideline, but unlike the Jets they never went to the league about it. What got the Pats in trouble is that Belichick was arrogant and in the opening game of 2007 was still taping from the sidelines even though the league told teams the year before to stop. Now there are many coaches who have come forth and said it was no big deal and was pretty common in the NFL (Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cohwer, Marty Shotteinheimer, Bill Parcells)  and with camera technology would it really make any difference if it was from row 1 or from the sidelines?

Coaches have come forth and said the tapes were never used in the same game they filmed. They were used later to study tendencies. Most teams would change signals every quarter anyways. And if anyone thinks it helped the Pats offense, then take a look at the stats. They have been a much better offense post Spygate then they were pre Spygate.


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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2012, 06:30:12 PM »
I am 100 % correct.

Or the pats were punished for nothing in which case one would expect outrage.

Cheats is cheats.

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2012, 06:40:21 PM »
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Yes it's so easy to misinterpret "don't tape the other teams practice sessions" as "yes it's okay to tape the other team's practices"

If one thing Belicheat isn't it's "stupid".



You are 100% wrong and mis-informed. There was a story that came out right before the 2007 Super Bowl that the Pats had taped the Rams walk through before the 2001 Super Bowl. This was proved to be utterly false and the person who reported it was fired from covering the NFL.

"In New York, where Walsh and Goodell met at 7:30 a.m. and league officials later publicly showed footage from Walsh's tapes, Goodell said a key purpose in speaking with Walsh was to learn more about the alleged filming of the Rams' walkthrough.

"We were able to verify that there was no Rams walkthrough tape," Goodell said. "No one asked him to tape the walkthrough. He's not aware of anybody else who may have taped the walkthrough. He had not seen such a tape. He does not know of anybody who says there is a tape."


Truth be told, Spygate was the most overblown story in the history of sports. There were many teams who taped signals, and in 2006 the NFL put there foot down and said teams could not tape from the sidelines. In 2006 the Patriots themselves blocked a Jets cameraman from taping on the New England sideline, but unlike the Jets they never went to the league about it. What got the Pats in trouble is that Belichick was arrogant and in the opening game of 2007 was still taping from the sidelines even though the league told teams the year before to stop. Now there are many coaches who have come forth and said it was no big deal and was pretty common in the NFL (Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cohwer, Marty Shotteinheimer, Bill Parcells)  and with camera technology would it really make any difference if it was from row 1 or from the sidelines?

Coaches have come forth and said the tapes were never used in the same game they filmed. They were used later to study tendencies. Most teams would change signals every quarter anyways. And if anyone thinks it helped the Pats offense, then take a look at the stats. They have been a much better offense post Spygate then they were pre Spygate.




Superbowls pre spygate : 3

Superbowls post spygate : 0

How much "better" are they ?




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Email|Link|Comments (3) Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff September 13, 2007 08:25 PM   

Here is the final ruling from the NFL:

Bill Belichick has been fined $500,000 by the NFL. That is the maximum amount under the NFL Constitution and By-Laws for violating league policy last Sunday on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team’s offensive or defensive signals.

The Patriots have been fined $250,000 by the NFL.

The Patriots will give up their first-round pick in 2008 if they make the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs, they will surrender their second- and third-round picks.

Belichick will not be suspended.

“This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to the Patriots.

"I specifically considered whether to impose a suspension on Coach Belichick," Goodell also wrote. "I have determined not to do so, largely because I believe that the discipline I am imposing of a maximum fine and forfeiture of a first-round draft choice, or multiple draft choices, is in fact more significant and long-lasting, and therefore more effective, than a suspension."




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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2012, 12:56:01 AM »
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I am 100 % correct.

Or the pats were punished for nothing in which case one would expect outrage.

Cheats is cheats.

No, you said the Pats were punished for taping practices. That is 100% wrong. They never taped any practices, and the league confirmed this.

Spygate was about taping defensive signals from a sideline camera (would have been perfectly legal to film the signals from row 1 or from the coaches box).

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Re: NFL 2012-2013
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2012, 01:13:59 AM »
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Superbowls pre spygate : 3

Superbowls post spygate : 0

How much "better" are they ?


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You are smarter then that JTBaby.

The 3 main reasons they won those Super Bowls were:
1) Belichick is a great coach and gets the best out of his players
2) Brady is one of the best football players in the history of the game
3) Those defences were among the very best in the game

Why didn't they win post Spygate? Mainly because their best defensive players got old an retired. McGinest, Law, Harrison, Bruschi, Seymour, Vrabel, etc.. were some of the best and most clutch defensive players in the early part of the 2000's. Once they got old and left the Pats never replaced them with as good of players. The Pats have been better offensively since Spygate but the D has been average at best and in some years absolutley horrible. They've also had their share of horrible luck. They were a miracle Tyree helmet catch away from having an undeafted season. If Spygate meant so much do you really think they would have gone 16-0 and a miracle Giants catch from having a perfect season?

Spygate was about stealing defensive signals. If it was such an important part of Bradys success then why has he put up way better numbers (and 2 MVPs) post Spygate? Fact is that Belichick was arrogant and should have stopped when the league sent out the memo in 2006, but ESPN and the media who hate Belichick because he doesn't give a rats ass about them took the story and blew it up. If it had been someone like Vermeil who the media liked it would have never become the huge story it did.