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Offline Droo

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2012, 03:59:56 PM »
I'm not easy to please, actually. And lyrically speaking, I'm not a huge fan of the more recent stuff. If I don't like a CD, even if it's by a band I usually like, I'm not going to be afraid to say it. However, I don't feel it's my right as a fan of the band to tell them how they should be writing their lyrics. That's their call.

You're clearly easy to please if you'll settle for Bono Vox singing 'love' and 'soul' a thousand times

I thought you liked Coldplay.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2012, 04:10:38 PM »
I'm not easy to please, actually. And lyrically speaking, I'm not a huge fan of the more recent stuff. If I don't like a CD, even if it's by a band I usually like, I'm not going to be afraid to say it. However, I don't feel it's my right as a fan of the band to tell them how they should be writing their lyrics. That's their call.

You're clearly easy to please if you'll settle for Bono Vox singing 'love' and 'soul' a thousand times

I thought you liked Coldplay.

What do Coldplay have to do with it?

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2012, 04:14:04 PM »
apart from the album version of Please, which sounds grating vocally
Interesting, I like the album version of Please and dislike the vocals on the single version!

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2012, 05:13:43 PM »
Bono made the most of his voice on Pop, but it would be wrong not to recognise the power in his vocals had diminished quite starkly. Fortunately he was aware of this and sang well with his limitations (apart from the album version of Please, which sounds grating vocally. He's got a lot of power back into his voice now, but seems to have much less control over it. He does some things well and other things badly. I'm relieved he's able to sing the difficult notes in Bad and Pride now again, instead of leaving them out like he had to circa 1998. Although I'd rather hear deeper cuts but that's a different issue.

I cant believe people think his vocals on POP are that good. That was the first record where I consciously went "wtf happened" pertaining to his voice.

He can't even make it through the studio vocal on Gone or Last Night on Earth without needing heavy backing(cover) from The Edge.

Still love the album though. Flawed masterpiece to me.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2012, 08:53:58 PM »
I'm not easy to please, actually. And lyrically speaking, I'm not a huge fan of the more recent stuff. If I don't like a CD, even if it's by a band I usually like, I'm not going to be afraid to say it. However, I don't feel it's my right as a fan of the band to tell them how they should be writing their lyrics. That's their call.

You're clearly easy to please if you'll settle for Bono Vox singing 'love' and 'soul' a thousand times

I thought you liked Coldplay.

What do Coldplay have to do with it?

Coldplay's lyrics don't exactly rise above trite cliche.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2012, 10:42:05 PM »
Nothing. Music acts don't owe me anything.

Can't you want something without feeling that you're owed it? I can.

Another thing I want for the next album is for Bono to avoid using cliches and the words "love," "soul," and "beautiful" in his lyrics. I think he's way overused these in the past.

EDIT: add 'heart' to that list of lyrics to avoid...one of Bono's worst offenders, how could I have forgotten it?

Things I want aren't related to music acts in general.
But when you do want something (not music related, of course, lol), you feel you're owed it?

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2012, 01:17:05 AM »
I'm not easy to please, actually. And lyrically speaking, I'm not a huge fan of the more recent stuff. If I don't like a CD, even if it's by a band I usually like, I'm not going to be afraid to say it. However, I don't feel it's my right as a fan of the band to tell them how they should be writing their lyrics. That's their call.

You're clearly easy to please if you'll settle for Bono Vox singing 'love' and 'soul' a thousand times

I thought you liked Coldplay.

What do Coldplay have to do with it?

Coldplay's lyrics don't exactly rise above trite cliche.

Coldplays lyrics offer an intimate and passionate experience - like their music

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2012, 03:11:44 AM »
Awww.... You've just lost half my respect regarding your opinion on music my dear boy. :-)

I can't fathom how one could revere Radiohead and Coldplay at the same time. I'm probably a snob though...

Used to be a fan of pre- "letsbethenextU2" Coldplay (basically before-, and Parachutes and about half of ROB after which I became a fan of Radiohead) but as soon as CM's penchant for constant lyrical blandness (he should seriously hire a ghostwriter/lyricist) became obvious, I couldn't listen past it, and every clichéd line makes me cringe. Give me Beck's nonsense but playful stream of consciousness lyrics, or Yorke's pokey stingy bitterness that has a character, anytime over CP.
Also around the same time it became pretty obvious he wasn't ever going to become the next Bono vocally either, how ever many equal signs he paints on himself, since he is unfortunately unable to hit chest notes as high as Bee, which is what should make simple atmospheric stadium anthems work, instead we get falsetto with a lisp. So I simply don't understand U2 fans settling for something markedly inferior (of course many have settled for '00s U2 as well).

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2012, 03:58:06 AM »
Awww.... You've just lost half my respect regarding your opinion on music my dear boy. :-)

I can't fathom how one could revere Radiohead and Coldplay at the same time. I'm probably a snob though...

Used to be a fan of pre- "letsbethenextU2" Coldplay (basically before-, and Parachutes and about half of ROB after which I became a fan of Radiohead) but as soon as CM's penchant for constant lyrical blandness (he should seriously hire a ghostwriter/lyricist) became obvious, I couldn't listen past it, and every clichéd line makes me cringe. Give me Beck's nonsense but playful stream of consciousness lyrics, or Yorke's pokey stingy bitterness that has a character, anytime over CP.
Also around the same time it became pretty obvious he wasn't ever going to become the next Bono vocally either, how ever many equal signs he paints on himself, since he is unfortunately unable to hit chest notes as high as Bee, which is what should make simple atmospheric stadium anthems work, instead we get falsetto with a lisp. So I simply don't understand U2 fans settling for something markedly inferior (of course many have settled for '00s U2 as well).

Of course I don't like Coldplay! They make bland shopping centre music. Radiohead are genuine musical geniuses.

I don't believe U2 fans who have followed the band for a while have settled for the 00's version. There are of course folk who will love whatever they do (however bad it is) just because it's U2. But that's in the nature of fandom.

Newcomers to do the band may well have the last 2 records as their first experience so I guess it's natural they may settle for this new, dumbed down version of what they used to be. I just wish U2 hadn't done it - it wasn't essential to remain popular and well monied - which seems to be their only 2 motivations now.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2012, 04:03:07 AM »
I hope they won't rerecord Pop. It was the last album with the warm and sexy Bono voice. I can't listen long to his current shrill yelping.

Warm ? Sexy ? Certainly a unique way to describe those 1997 lethargic/whiny vocals.

I think Bono's voice was warm and sexy in 1997, and was never quite the same again.

The quality of Bono's voice back in the 90s is partly why I love Achtung Baby and Zooropa.

It was until Pop, and luckily it recovered since.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2012, 12:37:20 PM »
Awww.... You've just lost half my respect regarding your opinion on music my dear boy. :-)

I can't fathom how one could revere Radiohead and Coldplay at the same time. I'm probably a snob though...

Used to be a fan of pre- "letsbethenextU2" Coldplay (basically before-, and Parachutes and about half of ROB after which I became a fan of Radiohead) but as soon as CM's penchant for constant lyrical blandness (he should seriously hire a ghostwriter/lyricist) became obvious, I couldn't listen past it, and every clichéd line makes me cringe. Give me Beck's nonsense but playful stream of consciousness lyrics, or Yorke's pokey stingy bitterness that has a character, anytime over CP.
Also around the same time it became pretty obvious he wasn't ever going to become the next Bono vocally either, how ever many equal signs he paints on himself, since he is unfortunately unable to hit chest notes as high as Bee, which is what should make simple atmospheric stadium anthems work, instead we get falsetto with a lisp. So I simply don't understand U2 fans settling for something markedly inferior (of course many have settled for '00s U2 as well).

Of course I don't like Coldplay! They make bland shopping centre music. Radiohead are genuine musical geniuses.

I don't believe U2 fans who have followed the band for a while have settled for the 00's version. There are of course folk who will love whatever they do (however bad it is) just because it's U2. But that's in the nature of fandom.

Newcomers to do the band may well have the last 2 records as their first experience so I guess it's natural they may settle for this new, dumbed down version of what they used to be. I just wish U2 hadn't done it - it wasn't essential to remain popular and well monied - which seems to be their only 2 motivations now.


Do you actually read posts here? No one has "settled" for anything.

My own personal opinion is that yes, they've had some great minor classics last decade, but even those are evocative of earlier, greater songs. MOS is actually growing into my favorite 00's song precisely because it doesn't rely too much on what has become, by now, U2 cliches.

So no, I don't LOVE the 00's U2. But it wasn't flat out crap either musically. It was just largely, by U2 standards, good.

And that's not good enough. ;)
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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2012, 12:44:24 PM »
Awww.... You've just lost half my respect regarding your opinion on music my dear boy. :-)

I can't fathom how one could revere Radiohead and Coldplay at the same time. I'm probably a snob though...

Used to be a fan of pre- "letsbethenextU2" Coldplay (basically before-, and Parachutes and about half of ROB after which I became a fan of Radiohead) but as soon as CM's penchant for constant lyrical blandness (he should seriously hire a ghostwriter/lyricist) became obvious, I couldn't listen past it, and every clichéd line makes me cringe. Give me Beck's nonsense but playful stream of consciousness lyrics, or Yorke's pokey stingy bitterness that has a character, anytime over CP.
Also around the same time it became pretty obvious he wasn't ever going to become the next Bono vocally either, how ever many equal signs he paints on himself, since he is unfortunately unable to hit chest notes as high as Bee, which is what should make simple atmospheric stadium anthems work, instead we get falsetto with a lisp. So I simply don't understand U2 fans settling for something markedly inferior (of course many have settled for '00s U2 as well).


Someone read my mind. Martin and the rest of Coldplay are nice blokes, but Martin's lyrics can be dreary treacle sometimes. And is it just me or has his lyric writing become worse? His new stuff is rhyme rhyme rhyme. Even Bono knows you don't have to do that with every single damn line. It's simplistic.

But to be fair to Martin and the others(who sometimes seem to fade into the background like one dimensional cardboard cutouts), they've always spoke kindly and generously of U2.
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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2012, 01:01:43 PM »
Hmm. I appreciate your personal opinion on current U2 music, and agree about MOS, but there are many people who do love the '00s stuff unconditionally, and some rate it on par with their earlier records.

As for Coldplay, I left them whe X&Y came out and they never convinced me to come back mostly because whenever I listened to songs off their last two records I couldn't get past the lyrics and vocals, even when I liked the music. The best thing I listened to recently was Major Minus, and that sounds like old Coldplay with some U2 and RH influences. I managed not to listen to the words (there are not that many).

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2012, 01:13:34 PM »
I'm not easy to please, actually. And lyrically speaking, I'm not a huge fan of the more recent stuff. If I don't like a CD, even if it's by a band I usually like, I'm not going to be afraid to say it. However, I don't feel it's my right as a fan of the band to tell them how they should be writing their lyrics. That's their call.

You're clearly easy to please if you'll settle for Bono Vox singing 'love' and 'soul' a thousand times

I thought you liked Coldplay.
I am confused I thought we had a prior thread that Dreamlover was an avid Coldplay Fan. I think someone is just F___king with us.

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Re: What do we REALLY want from U2.
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2012, 01:15:30 PM »
Hmm. I appreciate your personal opinion on current U2 music, and agree about MOS, but there are many people who do love the '00s stuff unconditionally, and some rate it on par with their earlier records.

As for Coldplay, I left them whe X&Y came out and they never convinced me to come back mostly because whenever I listened to songs off their last two records I couldn't get past the lyrics and vocals, even when I liked the music. The best thing I listened to recently was Major Minus, and that sounds like old Coldplay with some U2 and RH influences. I managed not to listen to the words (there are not that many).

Well it's people's right to rate in on par with their earlier records. I just don't see much of that around here with the fanatics(which we all are or we wouldn't be here arguing about the band when they're not even on tour or have a record out).
But I certainly wouldn't rate it as their best decade. It was their third best IMHO. And many of the tunes off of ATYCLB and HTDAAB are like extensive reworkings of earlier tunes with today's technology. They say basically the same things. That's not a bad thing, but it's not the best thing either.
There was a time when U2 were always forwards looking. When you would hear a song and it was U2 but it was new at the same time.
It was around the ATYCLB and especially HTDAAB time when the music started to seem a little near-nostalgic. COBL is a good song. It sounds cool. But it does evoke an earlier tune with WTSHNN.
Some of the songs are almost like remixes and rearrangements of earlier songs and imagery.
That's why I hope they follow their instincts and don't overthink and overproduce their next material.

When they follow their gut and are spontaneous we get MOS and One(both of which came together very quickly). When they are calculated we get Boots and other good tunes that are not good enough by U2's standards(which are rightfully high, even by their own words).

They need to trust their instincts.
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