Do You Feel Loved: Massive Rip-off?

[Bads316]

Naked Funk apparently were personal friends with Howie B, so one assumes (hopes?) that they knew about and were okay with U2 appropriating this song.

I'm not saying the song doesn't do more than the Naked Funk original. The guitar during the chorus, the synth parts, the bridge, and obviously the lyrics and vocals are all new. I just am flabbergasted it doesn't have a proper sampling credit. I hope NF got royalties for this.

I'm not saying a well-used sample can't make for a great song. Look at the beautiful and effective use of Against The Sky at the beginning of Cedars of Lebanon. I just prefer if its given proper credit.

On the sleeve notes of the original Pop CD, I think it does say "inspired by Naked Funk" if I'm not mistaken.

So they indeed did give credit to them.

Yeah but I think the point here is that Naked Funk's influence on the song goes a little further than simply being 'Inspired by'.

[Droo]

Naked Funk apparently were personal friends with Howie B, so one assumes (hopes?) that they knew about and were okay with U2 appropriating this song.

I'm not saying the song doesn't do more than the Naked Funk original. The guitar during the chorus, the synth parts, the bridge, and obviously the lyrics and vocals are all new. I just am flabbergasted it doesn't have a proper sampling credit. I hope NF got royalties for this.

I'm not saying a well-used sample can't make for a great song. Look at the beautiful and effective use of Against The Sky at the beginning of Cedars of Lebanon. I just prefer if its given proper credit.

On the sleeve notes of the original Pop CD, I think it does say "inspired by Naked Funk" if I'm not mistaken.

So they indeed did give credit to them.

Yeah but I think the point here is that Naked Funk's influence on the song goes a little further than simply being 'Inspired by'.

Exactly. If The Turtles' "You Showed Me" gets a specific sample credit for The Playboy Mansion when all they used was the strings, then the Naked Funk sample should be similarly specific. They don't even list the song. It's like they're trying to avoid using the song name so people won't discover just how directly the riff is not U2's own.

[The Exile]

Naked Funk apparently were personal friends with Howie B, so one assumes (hopes?) that they knew about and were okay with U2 appropriating this song.

I'm not saying the song doesn't do more than the Naked Funk original. The guitar during the chorus, the synth parts, the bridge, and obviously the lyrics and vocals are all new. I just am flabbergasted it doesn't have a proper sampling credit. I hope NF got royalties for this.

I'm not saying a well-used sample can't make for a great song. Look at the beautiful and effective use of Against The Sky at the beginning of Cedars of Lebanon. I just prefer if its given proper credit.

On the sleeve notes of the original Pop CD, I think it does say "inspired by Naked Funk" if I'm not mistaken.

So they indeed did give credit to them.

Yeah but I think the point here is that Naked Funk's influence on the song goes a little further than simply being 'Inspired by'.

Exactly. If The Turtles' "You Showed Me" gets a specific sample credit for The Playboy Mansion when all they used was the strings, then the Naked Funk sample should be similarly specific. They don't even list the song. It's like they're trying to avoid using the song name so people won't discover just how directly the riff is not U2's own.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but sampling involves lifting a piece of music or a vocal directly from one song and putting it into another, which is not what U2 did with DYFL. They just stole a riff and played it themselves. So maybe the little nod they gave in the liner notes is all that's needed?

[pfctsqr]

Naked Funk apparently were personal friends with Howie B, so one assumes (hopes?) that they knew about and were okay with U2 appropriating this song.

I'm not saying the song doesn't do more than the Naked Funk original. The guitar during the chorus, the synth parts, the bridge, and obviously the lyrics and vocals are all new. I just am flabbergasted it doesn't have a proper sampling credit. I hope NF got royalties for this.

I'm not saying a well-used sample can't make for a great song. Look at the beautiful and effective use of Against The Sky at the beginning of Cedars of Lebanon. I just prefer if its given proper credit.

On the sleeve notes of the original Pop CD, I think it does say "inspired by Naked Funk" if I'm not mistaken.

So they indeed did give credit to them.

Yeah but I think the point here is that Naked Funk's influence on the song goes a little further than simply being 'Inspired by'.

Exactly. If The Turtles' "You Showed Me" gets a specific sample credit for The Playboy Mansion when all they used was the strings, then the Naked Funk sample should be similarly specific. They don't even list the song. It's like they're trying to avoid using the song name so people won't discover just how directly the riff is not U2's own.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but sampling involves lifting a piece of music or a vocal directly from one song and putting it into another, which is not what U2 did with DYFL. They just stole a riff and played it themselves. So maybe the little nod they gave in the liner notes is all that's needed?

I think they should go further though.  Naked Funk should be listed in the songwriting credits.  Face it, they wrote half the song.

[Droo]

Naked Funk apparently were personal friends with Howie B, so one assumes (hopes?) that they knew about and were okay with U2 appropriating this song.

I'm not saying the song doesn't do more than the Naked Funk original. The guitar during the chorus, the synth parts, the bridge, and obviously the lyrics and vocals are all new. I just am flabbergasted it doesn't have a proper sampling credit. I hope NF got royalties for this.

I'm not saying a well-used sample can't make for a great song. Look at the beautiful and effective use of Against The Sky at the beginning of Cedars of Lebanon. I just prefer if its given proper credit.

On the sleeve notes of the original Pop CD, I think it does say "inspired by Naked Funk" if I'm not mistaken.

So they indeed did give credit to them.

Yeah but I think the point here is that Naked Funk's influence on the song goes a little further than simply being 'Inspired by'.

Exactly. If The Turtles' "You Showed Me" gets a specific sample credit for The Playboy Mansion when all they used was the strings, then the Naked Funk sample should be similarly specific. They don't even list the song. It's like they're trying to avoid using the song name so people won't discover just how directly the riff is not U2's own.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but sampling involves lifting a piece of music or a vocal directly from one song and putting it into another, which is not what U2 did with DYFL. They just stole a riff and played it themselves. So maybe the little nod they gave in the liner notes is all that's needed?

I think they should go further though.  Naked Funk should be listed in the songwriting credits.  Face it, they wrote half the song.

This is my thought process on it.

[Johnny Feathers]

I think it's debatable.  It's a pretty basic guitar riff.  The "Mannish Boy" riff has been used and re-used for decades, without the need to credit the source.  Fact is, they did credit the source by even mentioning it.  If it wasn't sampled outright, and they weren't legally required to do so, it's all a moot point.

[Chip]

It may be true that it's not technically a sampling, but greater credit was needed, I think. There should have been a "music by U2 and Naked Funk" credit.

[Johnny Feathers]

This is more thought of, and offense taken to, a 15 year old song's credits than I would have anticipated.  I guess I don't particularly care either way.

[So Cruel]

Wow, they basically did lift the music from that song. Naked Funk definately should have received writing credits as they would be worth a lot of money. Maybe this is why Do You Feel Loved was never released as a single. U2 may have ended up in court facing a big lawsuit.

In 1997 the Rolling Stones were on the verge of releasing Has Anybody Seen My Baby as their 1st single from Bridges to Babylon when Keith Richards daughter told him that the chorus sounded very similar to KD Langs Constant Craving. Richards listened to the KD Lang song and saw that his daughter was right. The Stones immediately gave KD Lang half the writing credits for the song. U2 should have done the same.

[_acrobat]

This is more thought of, and offense taken to, a 15 year old song's credits than I would have anticipated.  I guess I don't particularly care either way.

Same with me. It's a good song, and I'll leave it at that.

[YODA]

this is sad...U2 totally ripped off this band!

[Johnny Feathers]

Wow, they basically did lift the music from that song. Naked Funk definately should have received writing credits as they would be worth a lot of money. Maybe this is why Do You Feel Loved was never released as a single. U2 may have ended up in court facing a big lawsuit.

In 1997 the Rolling Stones were on the verge of releasing Has Anybody Seen My Baby as their 1st single from Bridges to Babylon when Keith Richards daughter told him that the chorus sounded very similar to KD Langs Constant Craving. Richards listened to the KD Lang song and saw that his daughter was right. The Stones immediately gave KD Lang half the writing credits for the song. U2 should have done the same.

The Stones had also just come off of winning their lawsuit with the Verve's Bittersweet Symphony, so they knew firsthand how litigious people (like themselves) could be.  Also, the Stones' track was the lead single for their album, and had a LOT more exposure than a "deep cut".  I have to assume that if the original artists had a problem with the track, they would have sued the pants off U2.  If they didn't--maybe because they didn't care, or were happy enough with the credit they were given--I guess I just don't see why people are up in arms about it here. 

[Kurukira]

If you ask me, that's one of my favorite songs.  I've seen artists rip off way more than a riff and give little credit because they thought it sounded cool and didn't even bother to research where it actually came from...only to find out in court.  I think some of you are reacting a LITTLE too harshly here.  A riff was taken, built upon it with different lyrics and song structure, and credit was given.  I can live with that.

[Chip]

Wow, they basically did lift the music from that song. Naked Funk definately should have received writing credits as they would be worth a lot of money. Maybe this is why Do You Feel Loved was never released as a single. U2 may have ended up in court facing a big lawsuit.

In 1997 the Rolling Stones were on the verge of releasing Has Anybody Seen My Baby as their 1st single from Bridges to Babylon when Keith Richards daughter told him that the chorus sounded very similar to KD Langs Constant Craving. Richards listened to the KD Lang song and saw that his daughter was right. The Stones immediately gave KD Lang half the writing credits for the song. U2 should have done the same.

The Stones had also just come off of winning their lawsuit with the Verve's Bittersweet Symphony, so they knew firsthand how litigious people (like themselves) could be.  Also, the Stones' track was the lead single for their album, and had a LOT more exposure than a "deep cut".  I have to assume that if the original artists had a problem with the track, they would have sued the pants off U2.  If they didn't--maybe because they didn't care, or were happy enough with the credit they were given--I guess I just don't see why people are up in arms about it here. 

I agree on this point. Given the Howie B. connection, I seriously doubt that Naked Funk didn't know about it beforehand, and maybe there was some kind of permission given at that stage. (I find it hard to believe that Naked Funk would have just let it drop otherwise.) I don't find this anything to be up in arms about; I just think that greater credit should have been given.

So Cruel, I've read (I think on this website) that DYFL was not released as a single as originally planned because Bono felt like he couldn't sing it properly live (like "Red Hill Mining Town"). 

[setalite]

Listened to the naked funk song...couldn't see much more than "inspiration" myself.
Sorry Droo can't call it "half the song"  --gotta agree with Johny and Midnight that Justice was done--no ripoff here!
But good detective work tracking down the reference!
Part of the point of Pop maybe seems to be doing more direct linking to others' music than in some previous u2 albums (??)
But I love everything on Pop so there's no way I could admit they did anything wrong on any of these songs