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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2012, 07:31:50 PM »
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^an example of how brilliant George Carlin was.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 07:02:24 AM »
I think exposure to violence across different mediums has a cumulative effect on desensitizing people to violence.  The reality is that for most people nowadays their most common experience of violence is through the prism of the media, and even if it’s experienced vicariously without violence in the media most people would have even less experience of it.  This could give people, particularly those of a young and impressionable age, a sense that violence is more common and acceptable than would otherwise be the case.  For example, the use of guns is almost a normal occurrence in the US crime shows that I grew up watching and although I’m not a gamer, I’m pretty sure that’s the case in many popular video games too.  This could contribute to a culture in society which encourages violence.  Then there is the issue of sexual violence in pornography, which increasing numbers of young people are now exposed to mainly because they have easier access to pornography than ever before through the internet and mobile devices.  This is particularly a problem for society if young people come to regard sexual violence as perfectly normal behaviour.  For example, a recent survey into sexual attitudes of young people in the UK found that a significant proportion of boys have a casual attitude to sexual consent. 

I agree that it is difficult to identify specific causes and effects and so it would be problematic to provide any solutions, but it shouldn’t stop society investigating potential causes.  For example, there was a recent public consultation in the UK on whether to automatically block internet access to pornography on all computers unless adults specifically requested access from their ISP.

The Newtown murders have renewed a discussion about the culture of violence in the US, the entertainment industry's embrace of violence in movies, TV shows and, especially, video games; and the link with mental health:

"The violence in the entertainment culture — particularly, with the extraordinary realism to video games, movies now, et cetera — does cause vulnerable young men to be more violent."

- Sen. Joe Lieberman.

"There might well be some direct connection between people who have some mental instability and when they go over the edge — they transport themselves, they become part of one of those video games."

- Gov. John Hickenlooper

White House adviser David Axelrod asked: "But shouldn't we also quit marketing murder as a game?"

One game designer said: "The ultraviolence has to stop.  I do believe that we are fetishizing violence, and now in some cases actually combining it with an adolescent approach to sexuality. I just think it's in bad taste. Ultimately I think it will cause us trouble."

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2012, 09:25:13 AM »
TD, I think you are right in a sense, but I think the violence in the games and in movies is only a minor part of the problem of playing games, etc... A big part of the problem is that teenagers/young adults these days are spending to much time playing games/being on a computer/in front of the TV. When I was young (and people in my age group and older) I was out and about with my friends, not sitting in doors all day. Young people now days are not gettting the social interaction needed. They need to be able to interact with people. I read on another form that the worst thing for depressed people is to sit indoors and not interact. It makes the depression worse. I think its the same for anyone. Your personality will change if you're sitting in your home alone all the time.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2012, 10:41:03 AM »
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TD, I think you are right in a sense, but I think the violence in the games and in movies is only a minor part of the problem of playing games, etc... A big part of the problem is that teenagers/young adults these days are spending to much time playing games/being on a computer/in front of the TV. When I was young (and people in my age group and older) I was out and about with my friends, not sitting in doors all day. Young people now days are not gettting the social interaction needed. They need to be able to interact with people. I read on another form that the worst thing for depressed people is to sit indoors and not interact. It makes the depression worse. I think its the same for anyone. Your personality will change if you're sitting in your home alone all the time.
Yeah, and I'd rather not go with a politician's view on the matter. They're not exactly looking out for our best interests, and if history serves me right, their varied opinions on civil rights, women's rights, and gun laws have been nothing but laughable. I'm sure they have some good points at times, but I try to keep in mind that a lot of them are from a different era, with a different mentality about how things should be done.

There are so many factors to this issue, and it's not as clear cut as abolishing guns and diminishing the violence in the media. Parents have a big job to do, and so do schools. Mom and Dad, along with institutions, need to change their approach on what exactly should be reinforced with kids today. All of this emphasis on sports, money, gadgets, popularity, etc does nothing for the individual--it just creates groups and cliques to belong to. They place such an underlining rule to be a 'cog in the machine' in classrooms as well, when in fact they should be teaching these kids how to properly treat another human being. Respecting others and communicating effectively should be top priority, above all else.

Carlin said it best -- “People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a common purpose… ’cause pretty soon they have little hats…” That stands true to this day. We glorify this mentality of highlighting differences in people, and it gets away from the fact that we're all the same, we all share basically the same DNA, we're all on this rock floating in space. Just because you came out of your mother's vagina in Bombay shouldn't make you any different from someone that went through the same process in El Paso. Imaginary lines between nations shouldn't mean anything, and if more people understood that concept, we'd have a better world on our hands.

Anyway, emphasize that respect and communication go hand in hand, and that in life, people are going to disagree with you. That's going to happen a lot. To come to some common ground, you'll need respect them as a person and communicate effectively. Teach a kid to do those things well and you have someone that can think about the consequence of their actions.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 11:41:57 AM »
I'm pretty sure Hitler and the Nazi's didn't play Nintendo or watch "Terminator", so no.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2012, 12:02:09 PM »
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TD, I think you are right in a sense, but I think the violence in the games and in movies is only a minor part of the problem of playing games, etc... A big part of the problem is that teenagers/young adults these days are spending to much time playing games/being on a computer/in front of the TV. When I was young (and people in my age group and older) I was out and about with my friends, not sitting in doors all day. Young people now days are not gettting the social interaction needed. They need to be able to interact with people. I read on another form that the worst thing for depressed people is to sit indoors and not interact. It makes the depression worse. I think its the same for anyone. Your personality will change if you're sitting in your home alone all the time.


When kids of our generation used to play outside we generally didn’t do it on our own.  Video gaming is certainly one of the reasons why kids these days sit at home on their own in a world of escapism and miss out on social interaction.  I don’t blame video games per se for violence but in some cases they might be the facilitators of violent action, particularly for those gamers with warped minds, and they might play a role in warping the games’ minds in the place.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2012, 12:55:11 PM »
That's why parents of kids with mental issues need to take more action, to keep them away from violent entertainment and guns and such.

As a kid I played Sega and Nintendo, including Mortal Kombat. I'm fine. I also played outside on the playground and in the park. Best of both worlds! I think those kids who are couch potatoes has more to do with families who don't get involved enough or encourage them to do other things. That's a different issue though.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 01:49:51 PM »
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That's why parents of kids with mental issues need to take more action, to keep them away from violent entertainment and guns and such.

As a kid I played Sega and Nintendo, including Mortal Kombat. I'm fine. I also played outside on the playground and in the park. Best of both worlds! I think those kids who are couch potatoes has more to do with families who don't get involved enough or encourage them to do other things. That's a different issue though.

When that NRA mentioned that, I thought it was a joke for a second. I mean seriously? Mortal Combat?

So the next time somebody is attacked, am I supposed to hear "Finish Them!" in the background?

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 01:53:10 PM »
Quote from: striker link=topic=20584.msg1315574#msg1315574 date=1356111663

Carlin said it best -- [i
“People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a common purpose… ’cause pretty soon they have little hats…”[/i]



I love people, I hate crowds, groups, organisations... soon they become zealots, then they start wearing hats... then they have fight songs and come and visit you at 3 am in the morning

Personally, I'd never want to be a member of any group where you either have to wear a hat or you can't wear a hat.

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I think all religions should have one rule and one rule only:
hats optional.
That's all you need to run a really good religion.

George Carlin

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2012, 01:56:56 PM »
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That's why parents of kids with mental issues need to take more action, to keep them away from violent entertainment and guns and such.

Easier said than done when there's so much violence in the media.

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As a kid I played Sega and Nintendo, including Mortal Kombat. I'm fine. I also played outside on the playground and in the park. Best of both worlds! I think those kids who are couch potatoes has more to do with families who don't get involved enough or encourage them to do other things. That's a different issue though.

The question is does exposure to violent images cause violence, not whether your exposure to violent images caused you to be violent.


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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2012, 01:58:03 PM »
Here is the problem-- This guy wants to blame guns, this guy wants to blame video games, this guy movies--- We need to get to the core problem--our country does not have good mental health treatment, our society is morally bankrupt and we are raising a generation of kids that do not value life--- Further I am sure you euros want to point fingers at the USA being so bad (much like the yellow toothed gap toothed Brits telling  us how bad our dental care was in the US) it is just as bad in Europe--look at the riots in London, Paris--- all of our youth right now is lost. We have no moral compass, say what you want about religion and so forth at least it gave our youth a moral compass--right now they have nothing, they are in despair.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2012, 02:00:02 PM »
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Carlin said it best -- “People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a common purpose… ’cause pretty soon they have little hats…”


Didn't this fella once belong to a group of people who's common purpose was to get Bill Clinton elected to the presidency?


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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2012, 02:01:49 PM »
I sense some people who've posted on this thread have a fear of censorship as strong as many people in the US have a fear of losing their right to own guns.


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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2012, 02:04:01 PM »
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Carlin said it best -- “People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a common purpose… ’cause pretty soon they have little hats…”


Didn't this fella once belong to a group of people who's common purpose was to get Bill Clinton elected to the presidency?



I don't think so, maybe. I was under the impression that Carlin didn't vote--he was pretty hard on liberals as well as conservatives.

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Re: Does Exposure To Violent Images Cause Violence In Society?
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2012, 02:07:28 PM »
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Carlin said it best -- “People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a common purpose… ’cause pretty soon they have little hats…”


Didn't this fella once belong to a group of people who's common purpose was to get Bill Clinton elected to the presidency?



I don't think so, maybe. I was under the impression that Carlin didn't vote--he was pretty hard on liberals as well as conservatives.

Sorry, I confused him with James Carville.