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Who are you voting, or who would you vote for?

Bob Barr [Libertarian]
2 (5.9%)
John McCain [Republican]
7 (20.6%)
Ralph Nader [Independent]
0 (0%)
Barack Obama [Democratic]
24 (70.6%)
Abstain/Protest
1 (2.9%)

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Offline Joe90usa

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2008, 01:32:10 PM »
My decision was cast for McCain  when I heard a black man on the  news networks back in June or July say "It would be poetic justice for a black man to be in office."
It shows that America is in deep trouble still.  :(
It's not so much the charactor of Obama that concerns me( and I have the right to be concerned)...it's his followers that have me fearful.

So your vote was decided by having the chance to spite a television commentator?  I agree...this does show that America is in deep trouble.

What troubles you about Obama's character?

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2008, 04:07:15 PM »
MLKJr. said
"At the center of non-violence stands the principle of love."

Then the Republicans obviously have no shred of a trace of love for anyone in Iraq.

too many are voting because of color only. My decision was cast for McCain when I heard a black man on the news networks back in June or July say "It would be poetic justice for a black man to be in office."
It shows that America is in deep trouble still.  :(

Interesting; this illustrates that your vote, too, is "because of color only".

It's not so much the charactor of Obama that concerns me( and I have the right to be concerned)...it's his followers that have me fearful.

I'd suggest finding a way to get comfortable with us (and, frankly, a little bit of karma will do you some good--Democrats have been living in a state of outright terror for the last eight years).  Bush has done so much catastrophic damage to the fabric of the Republican party that even Republicans aren't sure at this point how they should proceed--should they be the Republicans of the Lincoln era or the Republicans of the Reagan/Bush Sr./Bush Jr. eras (personally, I strongly suggest the former).  Unless Obama royally screws the pooch while in office, Republicans likely have a long, long journey back to the level of power they've been enjoying for most of the last decade.  I, for one, am delighted beyond measure.
 
It's as if a spell had been cast the way alot (half the USA) has fallen for him. There is a saying I beleve in..."If it sounds to good to be true, it probably isn't."

LOL!  I think that may be the most delicious Freudian slip I've heard in a long while!  Cheers!  As for the "spell" theory, I think (along with everything else) you're seeing it entirely wrong--we're a nation of Neo's, waking up from the oppression of the Bush Matrix and ready to set things back to rights.

To get back to your question, I wonder too how U2 feels about all this. But, I think they would be Democrats.

They've always maintained that neither party is free of warts but, yes, issue by issue, I think it quite likely U2 would fall much more strongly in the Democratic camp than the Republican one.

GodPartII, I will respond in love. I don't know you personally and I bet you are a fun person to hang out with. Having said that, I hope that you can find it in your heart to not be so hateful towards me and accuse me of being a racist when I am not. I didn't think you would say such a thing. (I am ashamed at the moment to be a U2 fan.)

Once again, I bow out with integrity.
God Bless you and all and God Bless America.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2008, 04:32:41 PM »
My decision was cast for McCain  when I heard a black man on the  news networks back in June or July say "It would be poetic justice for a black man to be in office."
It shows that America is in deep trouble still.  :(
It's not so much the charactor of Obama that concerns me( and I have the right to be concerned)...it's his followers that have me fearful.

So your vote was decided by having the chance to spite a television commentator?  I agree...this does show that America is in deep trouble.

What troubles you about Obama's character?

There will be more people vote for McCain because he's white than will vote for Obama because he's black.

Character is overrated, we need intelligence, vision and an ability to unite people in a comoon cause on that office.

Having said that, there are more than a few red flags on McCain in that regard on Mccain:

His judgement in picking Palin
His relentless negative ads
His feeding on the Arab/Hussein/Muslim/Un-American right wing loony attacks
His flip flopping to pander to the far right
His tie-ins to terrorist Oliver North, his staff's ties to Saddam Hussein
His notoriously bad temper, at one point he actually called his wife a c*** in public
His ties to Charles Keating
His unwillingness to decry those who would bomb an abortion clinic as domestic terrorists

I could go on and on on, but I won't.

"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of s*** with bits of broken glass in it?”

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked. "

*** Edited by Joe90usa for langauge.  Please clean it up.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2008, 08:34:33 PM by Joe90usa »

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2008, 04:34:13 PM »
I hope that you can find it in your heart to not be so hateful towards me and accuse me of being a racist when I am not. I didn't think you would say such a thing.

Though I'm not surprised at this response (your recent history of conveniently editing and grossly misinterpreting opposers' statements appears to know no bounds), let me be abundantly clear here--I never called you a racist; I did, however, strongly imply (and will now outright say) that if you choose to vote against Obama specifically because others' alleged highest criteria for voting for him is his race, then you are a hypocrite and the very symbol of what you say you are against.

(I am ashamed at the moment to be a U2 fan.)

Why?  What did U2 do to you?  Have I become their mouthpiece?  If so, how much does this position pay?  :-*

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2008, 04:52:19 PM »
The last one...too many are voting because of color only. My decision was cast for McCain  when I heard a black man on the  news networks back in June or July say "It would be poetic justice for a black man to be in office."
It shows that America is in deep trouble still.  :(

What kind of trouble?

And - There are all sorts of resources where you can read about each of the candidates platforms and their proposed policy directions.  You based your vote on a sound bite?  Really? 

(I am ashamed at the moment to be a Republican.)  Oh, wait, I'm not a Republican.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2008, 05:01:04 PM »
And, if we're voting, I think U2 would be Republicans based on their activity of recent years.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2008, 05:04:51 PM »
Interesting comment--care to elaborate?

By the way, Joe90usa, that chicken line was a riot!  :D

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2008, 08:03:09 PM »
About U2 being Republican, I base that on the Netherlands tax shelter and Paul McGuinness' comments about Radiohead.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2008, 08:11:26 PM »
God PartII "Interesting; this illustrates that your vote, too, is "because of color only".

Yes, you did imply that I'm rasist.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2008, 08:21:26 PM »
Obama. Yes, we can (considering the circumstances).

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2008, 08:24:25 PM »
God PartII "Interesting; this illustrates that your vote, too, is "because of color only".

Yes, you did imply that I'm rasist.

Just to weigh in on this - I repudiate the notion* that it was racist, but I think what some people are arguing - probably not entirely incorrectly - is that it may be somewhat reactionary. Whether this was well communicated is a different matter.

*what a phrase. Beats "dismiss the idea" by a long way, anyway.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2008, 08:27:03 PM »
About U2 being Republican, I base that on the Netherlands tax shelter and Paul McGuinness' comments about Radiohead.

Paul McGuinnes might be Republican, I don't know. But the band leans Democrat. Bono is willing to work with a Republican president in George W. Bush to lobby for action in Africa but he's said himself that he couldn't be more at odds with his policies. I believe it's in the "Bono: In Conversation" book. He also is great friends with Bill Clinton and has been complimentary of his time in and out of the White House. Also, they've been involved with Greenpeace and Amnesty International...very liberal organizations.


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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2008, 08:59:38 PM »
AA - You stated that your decision to vote against Obama was race-based.  If you're going to write that expect the reaction you got.  You're not a victim.

I think U2, well, specifically, Bono, is socially liberal and economically conservative.  He's a great fundraiser, but he wants to hold on to his own money as much as he can.  I don't take points away from his efforts, but I'd bet that he'd vote conservatively.  Especially since he doesn't really see a difference between the parties.  W has done a lot of great work in Africa.  If Bono sees it's possible to get his Africa work done and protect his bank account, I think that's the option he'd go for.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2008, 09:42:23 PM »
AA - You stated that your decision to vote against Obama was race-based.  If you're going to write that expect the reaction you got.  You're not a victim.

I think U2, well, specifically, Bono, is socially liberal and economically conservative.  He's a great fundraiser, but he wants to hold on to his own money as much as he can.  I don't take points away from his efforts, but I'd bet that he'd vote conservatively.  Especially since he doesn't really see a difference between the parties.  W has done a lot of great work in Africa.  If Bono sees it's possible to get his Africa work done and protect his bank account, I think that's the option he'd go for.

I don't see Bono as economically conservative at all. Conservatism in that field (confusingly called liberalism, in the sense of liberal meaning 'free' - which in this case refers to the unfettered free market, not political liberalism) is based on being in favor of little to no market regulation (classic laissez-fare theory), and against the government providing money for most or all social services programs (generally derided as 'entitlement programs,' no matter how badly they are needed). And one can be in favor of protecting one's own assets while holding a generally liberal fiscal worldview. It's more about what one sees as the roles of the free market and government than about personal finances.

And I think he very much sees a difference between the two parties, but is in favor of setting those differences aside if that will make it possible for his proposals to result in action. But the action he seeks is government funding for relief efforts (generally speaking a classic Republican no-no); that plus his liberal social views make it rather unlikely he'd vote Republican if he were American.

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Re: US Election 2008
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2008, 04:06:09 AM »
Well, I've had a random guess at where Bono is politically at this place, going on his stated opinions and actions, most notably the stuff I tend to disagree with him on. This result's definitely got a wide margin on error (Bono's views on legalising marijuana, anyone?), but like to think it's a least got a ring of truth to it; he's an advocate of a lot of typically European social support, but he's not lacking faith in a free market either.

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