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I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« on: December 01, 2016, 11:10:42 AM »
"Michael Jackson, history..."

Why take that stab at MJ?? Everyone was stabbing MJ at the time, why did they want to do the same...



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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2016, 12:32:19 PM »
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"Michael Jackson, history..."

Why take that stab at MJ?? Everyone was stabbing MJ at the time, why did they want to do the same...

cuz his most recent album was called HIStory...

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 12:40:16 PM »
I know about the album... It's a double meaning...

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 02:59:34 PM »
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"Michael Jackson, history..."

Why take that stab at MJ?? Everyone was stabbing MJ at the time, why did they want to do the same...

Bono actually stood up for him at that Dublin Zooropa gig which was broadcast: "Michael Jackson if you're out there I don't believe you're bad.  Guilty before you've been given a chance".

There was an air of optimism and belief in people that pervaded U2 at that point, which was not present on Pop, which is their only album that dabbles in jaded cynicism and profound doubt.  Yeah, Jackson was a very easy target by 1997, and I'm not sure they've taken a shot at another artist on any recording.  They had a go at Albert Goldman on God pt II but he was an author not an artist.

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 03:18:21 PM »
Well, as dated as those lines (all of the pop culture verses) are, there's also the possible viewpoint of Jackson being a crooked mirror for Bono at that stage in his life. He acted out his version of a tired old popstar, but Jackson was past that point and alive. Maybe as much as Jackson was history with regard to his relevance, it's also a reflection on their own position as the band who have arrived at the zenith, and the dizzying heights and lightheaded euphoria of being the biggest and best band for a while were starting to fall away, leaving Bono mid air, and there's no way up to solid ground any more when you've reached and accomplished all your goals, there are no illusions left either.

Stateless paralels this line a little, and I think uses a very apt metaphor, using the confession of an astronaut orbiting our planet, for describing where U2 were stranded in their "so what's next, what do we do now ?" era that started after Zooropa, and ended with Beautiful Day.
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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 04:44:27 PM »
honestly the only truly dated references imo are the Playboy Mansion itself, Obsession and OJ. MJ was and is something i still see brought up all the time. the rest are very much mid-late 90s.

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2016, 03:19:04 AM »
Well, yeah, the MJ line is now factual.

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2016, 05:34:32 PM »
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Well, yeah, the MJ line is now factual.

true now it makes a thousand times more sense than it did in 97

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2016, 05:59:55 PM »
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Well, yeah, the MJ line is now factual.

Please explain. We actually really don't no anything for sure if you are referring to allegations.

Whoops, I thought you were referring to the allegations.
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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2016, 07:04:16 PM »
I think they're referring to the fact that he's dead and thus now "history"?

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2016, 09:12:31 PM »
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I think they're referring to the fact that he's dead and thus now "history"?

right.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 04:34:34 AM »
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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2016, 11:01:40 AM »
Well, that line is probably all about the statues You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login used to promote the HIStory album being a rather blatant example of what the band criticised with the song.
The line is more a dig at the whole HIStory than Jackson himself. Those statues from 2 years prior were still very much remembered in 1997.

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2016, 06:39:53 PM »
This song isn't meant to be taken literally or seriously. It's just a take on pop culture at the time. (Commercialism, the Michael Jackson and OJ trials...)

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Re: I hate that line on Playboy Mansion, you know which one
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2016, 04:48:54 PM »
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Well, that line is probably all about the statues You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login used to promote the HIStory album being a rather blatant example of what the band criticised with the song.
The line is more a dig at the whole HIStory than Jackson himself. Those statues from 2 years prior were still very much remembered in 1997.
Interesting!!! Might be that