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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2017, 11:28:07 AM »
I'm dead serious.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2017, 12:08:08 PM »
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... it sounds like Exile is elitist enough for the band and most of their fans too. I completely get that being a lifelong hardcore fan of U2 is a precious thing but it doesn't do anyone any good to be so possessive about it.

Let's not devolve into personal insults.

But yeah, I am an elitist of sorts. I think U2 is better than Coldplay, better than Katy Perry, and better than Fetty Wap. I think they are tarnishing their legacy by desperately pining to be popular. It's like they have PLEASE LIKE US painted across their chests, and it's kinda unseemly.

Like many of us, I have invested the majority of my life (not to mention plenty of money) into my U2 fandom. While I wouldn't say they owe me anything, I can still mourn when I see them collaborate with Wyclef Jean or Missy Elliot.

To anyone outside this forum I am a fierce U2 defender. But this should be a safe place to rant every now and then.
Well said. Agreed

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2017, 06:04:22 PM »
I look forward to the day U2 plays small venues.  They will, in time.  In the meantime, I just take what comes and enjoy it for what it's worth.  There will be good times on this tour, no doubt. Later on, we diehards can enjoy them in small venues when they "accept their age", lol.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2017, 08:51:05 AM »
All of this over a little quickie stadium run to celebrate the anniversary of an album before a new release and arena tour.

There seems to be this disconnect with some of y'all about this tour: This run of stadiums isn't taking the place of SOE or the forthcoming tour. The album was delayed, and not for this tour. The one didn't cause the other. The album was delayed, and I think it is entirely possible that U2 had promised LN a tour this year and needed to make good on it. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, were it not for this tour, we'd have nothing but more impatient waiting.

For whatever reason, they aren't 100 percent confident in what they have for SOE, but they are CLOSE. In the meantime, they are doing this run of shows. Otherwise, we'd just be waiting with nothing to do in the meantime.

There's not much time left on this thing, y'all. Maybe some of you who saw TJT the first time and have seen 60 shows are bored with this stuff, but I am 40 and have only seen seven U2 shows, and I want every single one I can get. I'd much rather have a new album and a stadium tour, but that's not ready yet, so I'll take this and enjoy it, thank you.
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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2017, 11:45:02 AM »
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All of this over a little quickie stadium run to celebrate the anniversary of an album before a new release and arena tour.

I think a little more critical thinking is called for here. I, for one, didn't believe for a second that the band felt this artistic compulsion to connect the thematic and political dots between Reagan/Thatcher and Trump and therefore launched this tour. Like many of us (and many journalists), I felt like it was a safe place for U2 to go as an excuse to delay their new album even further. And it appears we were right, if these South America rumors prove true.

As I said somewhere else, if they use this spotlight to springboard straight to a new album and tour, then good on 'em, it was smart. But I have my doubts.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2017, 11:50:55 AM »
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All of this over a little quickie stadium run to celebrate the anniversary of an album before a new release and arena tour.

I think a little more critical thinking is called for here. I, for one, didn't believe for a second that the band felt this artistic compulsion to connect the thematic and political dots between Reagan/Thatcher and Trump and therefore launched this tour. Like many of us (and many journalists), I felt like it was a safe place for U2 to go as an excuse to delay their new album even further. And it appears we were right, if these South America rumors prove true.

As I said somewhere else, if they use this spotlight to springboard straight to a new album and tour, then good on 'em, it was smart. But I have my doubts.

Agreed.

I don't believe we will see a new U2 album for at least two years. POSSIBLY released in Oct/Nov 2018 with an arena tour in the spring of 2019 is quite realistic though. Nothing this year I'm afraid.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2017, 12:02:52 PM »
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All of this over a little quickie stadium run to celebrate the anniversary of an album before a new release and arena tour.

I think a little more critical thinking is called for here. I, for one, didn't believe for a second that the band felt this artistic compulsion to connect the thematic and political dots between Reagan/Thatcher and Trump and therefore launched this tour. Like many of us (and many journalists), I felt like it was a safe place for U2 to go as an excuse to delay their new album even further. And it appears we were right, if these South America rumors prove true.

As I said somewhere else, if they use this spotlight to springboard straight to a new album and tour, then good on 'em, it was smart. But I have my doubts.

Actually friend, you are OVER-thinking this whole thing, and you are being negative for no reason. You are free to think and believe whatever you choose, but doesn't make it the gospel truth.

We don't know the exact motivation for delaying SOE and doing this tour now. We have what U2 have told us, and we have the obvious other reasons we can all come up with. Minus a smoking gun to prove otherwise, I am content to believe the band. They aren't perfect, but over a 40-year period, they've got a pretty good amount of goodwill built up with me.

Secondly, I don't see any logic in delaying the album for financial reasons, as some have hinted. What, people weren't going to buy just as many seats to see part 2 of I+E so U2 needed a gimmick to put their kids through school? I am sorry to be a wise-guy, but you have to accept criticism of your explanation just as you dish it out for others. Album sales are down for U2, legacy acts and acts of all stripes industry wide. There's no doubt about that. The money is in the touring, but U2 would have made just as much -- if not more -- with a full-on I+E Tour.

The easiest explanation is usually the right one. In recent years, really going back to HTDAAB, U2 have seemed really unsure of themselves when it comes to releasing new albums, so there's nothing new here. They started all over with Atomic Bomb. No Line was delayed the track listing was altered at the last minute. SOI took four years. We still don't have SOA might not ever. Why would SOE be any different? They are slow. They are getting slower as they get older. There's no mystery or magic here.

My point is, this isn't unusual, uncommon or frankly unexpected in any way. For whatever reason, U2 aren't ready to release SOE, so in the interim, it was sit out 2017 or do a quick run with TJT. And if ending shows with a new song and the (apparent) new album cover on the screen doesn't convince you that SOE is in fact coming within months of this tour ending this year -- after it is extended to South American for all of one month if rumors are true -- you simply are being pessimistic for pessimism's sake, and there's no convincing you otherwise. 

The bottom line is, we are still going to get SOE, and we are still going to get I+E Part 2. Soon. The only surprise is, a 6-month stadium run in the meantime.

I am just not seeing the problem. SOE was always going to be an end-of-year release. Edge told us late last year it wasn't quite ready yet. Would your rather be twiddling your thumbs waiting some more, or go see the best rock band ever this summer in the interim?

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2017, 01:40:06 PM »
Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2017, 01:43:17 PM »
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Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

Completely disagree with this, sorry.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2017, 01:44:12 PM »
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Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

More an arena guy myself, but I really disagree with the above comment that U2 will end up playing smaller rooms. I think when that day comes, they are all out the door. I can't see them going out playing amphitheaters and large theaters the way REM did. And honestly, I don't see that happening unless they started just touring CONSTANTLY the way Springsteen has done the last decade or so. U2's status as a legendary live act will allow them to play arenas at will until the retire, IMO. If something changes that, you aren't seeing them in a shed or a theater. It isn't in their DNA.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2017, 02:34:27 PM »
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Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

More an arena guy myself, but I really disagree with the above comment that U2 will end up playing smaller rooms. I think when that day comes, they are all out the door. I can't see them going out playing amphitheaters and large theaters the way REM did. And honestly, I don't see that happening unless they started just touring CONSTANTLY the way Springsteen has done the last decade or so. U2's status as a legendary live act will allow them to play arenas at will until the retire, IMO. If something changes that, you aren't seeing them in a shed or a theater. It isn't in their DNA.
I  too prefer U2 in an arena setting Stadiums are too huge you really have to be up close in arenas everyone has a good view and the sound is better.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #131 on: May 22, 2017, 02:42:06 PM »
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Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

More an arena guy myself, but I really disagree with the above comment that U2 will end up playing smaller rooms. I think when that day comes, they are all out the door. I can't see them going out playing amphitheaters and large theaters the way REM did. And honestly, I don't see that happening unless they started just touring CONSTANTLY the way Springsteen has done the last decade or so. U2's status as a legendary live act will allow them to play arenas at will until the retire, IMO. If something changes that, you aren't seeing them in a shed or a theater. It isn't in their DNA.
I  too prefer U2 in an arena setting Stadiums are too huge you really have to be up close in arenas everyone has a good view and the sound is better.
Agree 100 percent. The sound is almost always better in arenas, with one exception I know of personally: the Philips Arena in Atlanta. I have never seen U2 there, but I have seen other shows there, and the sound was better in the late Georgia Dome than it was in that arena.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2017, 04:09:54 PM »
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All of this over a little quickie stadium run to celebrate the anniversary of an album before a new release and arena tour.

I think a little more critical thinking is called for here. I, for one, didn't believe for a second that the band felt this artistic compulsion to connect the thematic and political dots between Reagan/Thatcher and Trump and therefore launched this tour. Like many of us (and many journalists), I felt like it was a safe place for U2 to go as an excuse to delay their new album even further. And it appears we were right, if these South America rumors prove true.

As I said somewhere else, if they use this spotlight to springboard straight to a new album and tour, then good on 'em, it was smart. But I have my doubts.

Actually friend, you are OVER-thinking this whole thing, and you are being negative for no reason. You are free to think and believe whatever you choose, but doesn't make it the gospel truth.

We don't know the exact motivation for delaying SOE and doing this tour now. We have what U2 have told us, and we have the obvious other reasons we can all come up with. Minus a smoking gun to prove otherwise, I am content to believe the band. They aren't perfect, but over a 40-year period, they've got a pretty good amount of goodwill built up with me.

Secondly, I don't see any logic in delaying the album for financial reasons, as some have hinted. What, people weren't going to buy just as many seats to see part 2 of I+E so U2 needed a gimmick to put their kids through school? I am sorry to be a wise-guy, but you have to accept criticism of your explanation just as you dish it out for others. Album sales are down for U2, legacy acts and acts of all stripes industry wide. There's no doubt about that. The money is in the touring, but U2 would have made just as much -- if not more -- with a full-on I+E Tour.

The easiest explanation is usually the right one. In recent years, really going back to HTDAAB, U2 have seemed really unsure of themselves when it comes to releasing new albums, so there's nothing new here. They started all over with Atomic Bomb. No Line was delayed the track listing was altered at the last minute. SOI took four years. We still don't have SOA might not ever. Why would SOE be any different? They are slow. They are getting slower as they get older. There's no mystery or magic here.

My point is, this isn't unusual, uncommon or frankly unexpected in any way. For whatever reason, U2 aren't ready to release SOE, so in the interim, it was sit out 2017 or do a quick run with TJT. And if ending shows with a new song and the (apparent) new album cover on the screen doesn't convince you that SOE is in fact coming within months of this tour ending this year -- after it is extended to South American for all of one month if rumors are true -- you simply are being pessimistic for pessimism's sake, and there's no convincing you otherwise. 

The bottom line is, we are still going to get SOE, and we are still going to get I+E Part 2. Soon. The only surprise is, a 6-month stadium run in the meantime.

I am just not seeing the problem. SOE was always going to be an end-of-year release. Edge told us late last year it wasn't quite ready yet. Would your rather be twiddling your thumbs waiting some more, or go see the best rock band ever this summer in the interim?

Hmm.

U2 saw a quick and easy way to plump up the profile with a smallish number of high profile stadium gigs and a Money-For-Old-Rope box set.

They seem to spend more time overthinking every last millisecond of every song : their work is felt, not thought. They should do more of that, and less navel gazing.

If SOE doesn't come out this winter, they will have utterly dropped the ball here in terms of profile. They have promised us SOE 'soon', and it's been three years. In no world is three years 'soon'. Any claim that Trump and Brexit mean they now have to rewrite the album is mere excuses : a great album can and should exist outside political events.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2017, 04:28:03 PM »
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Personally, I never give up a chance to see U2 in a stadium. Say what you will about smaller, more "intimate" settings but U2 is meant to be seen and heard in a stadium along with 50,000+ fans.

Completely disagree with this, sorry.

I definitely think their music is written for the masses, for sure.

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Re: U2, Please: Get Up Off Your Knees
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2017, 06:14:05 PM »
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The bottom line is, we are still going to get SOE, and we are still going to get I+E Part 2. Soon. The only surprise is, a 6-month stadium run in the meantime.

It must be nice to know that this is "the bottom line." Could you pass along official links with those dates for us?

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