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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2017, 06:50:14 PM »
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Questions about the GA line? Here was my experience. 

This was my early morning, GA line experience in Dallas:
I arrived in Arlington on Thursday night to be ready for the 6am line queuing. I drove to the venue that night to get a good idea of where the line was starting, parking lot entrance, etc - and I saw people camping out. My knowledge was that camping wasn’t allowed at AT&T stadium - so I asked a parking lot security guard and he said it was ok. By this time it’s already around midnight. Wanting to get a some sleep in, I go back to the hotel, and come back around 3:30am and only about 4 more people have shown up. The total seemed to be around 20 people there. I wait it out about 30 more min, and I see people with “lists”— it’s literally a hand-written list in a composition notebook. So I go and ask, “Is there a list already??” and they say, “Yeah! We’ll put you on." They write me down as 350 on their list and write that number on my hand with a sharpie. 

I stood there in shock. 350??! AND - This was the UNOFFICIAL FAN LIST.

So around 5am more people are arriving, and the self-proclaimed "line leaders" start telling people to line up in order based on the number they wrote down on hands. I WAS NOT HAVING IT. I got there before everyone else THAT morning, the day of the show - the day that the venue told me to get there — why should I have to move based on what an “Unofficial” line leader says? Note: These self-proclaimed line leaders are NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE VENUE, THE PROMOTER, SECURITY, OR U2. They are control freaks that think they own the line.

So I tell the line leader, no way am I letting any one in front of me or tell me where to go in line. And he goes on to threaten me, yelling and screaming, etc. saying “bad things will happen to you. You’re going to wish you didn’t do that. We will remove you. We will get you thrown out. If you get in front of me, I will personally sit on you if you are in my spot.”

Honestly - if that guy or any other one of these line freaks had tried to put their hands me I would have called the police.

I STOOD MY GROUND. I did NOT engage any more with anyone in line - no eye contact, no nothing. If VENUE security had a problem with it, I wanted someone OFFICIAL to tell me. Not a fan.

Note: These self-entitled line leaders will do EVERYTHING they can to get you kicked out by official security. Hence the yelling, screaming, crying, threats, etc. This is obviously how fights break out. Just keep your cool.

By 6am, official Venue security got there to direct the line and hand out the OFFICIAL line wristbands. By the time I got to the front, the self-proclamined line leaders were near official security, checking their list against the venue’s numbers. Of course, I wasn’t “in the correct spot.” Here we go again - more screaming, pushing, etc. right in front of official venue security. Another self-proclaimed line leader tried saying I had cut in line, etc. Venue security DID NOT HAVE IT. They asked me what had happened, I calmly said “I got here at 3:30am, before everyone else showed up. I asked who these people were (self-proclaimed line leaders)  and what their list was, and that they told me ‘this is an unofficial line list created by fans.’ (While self-proclaimed line leader was still throwing a hissy fit — he literally sounded like a 3 year old boy crying.) Official venue security rolled his eyes at self-proclaimed line leader, and not wanting to hold the line up any longer, said, “Here is your official wristband.” I happily got my wristband fastened, and went back to my hotel.

At 2pm, when parking lots opened, I went back to the GA line, and got to my official, venue designated place in line. Luckily, no one who had been such a pain earlier that morning said anything around me. By that time, their unofficial list was obsolete and their opinions were obsolete.

I hope this helps anyone wondering about these unofficial lists.

Remember, everyone in these lines has GA tickets — and we all paid the same amount for them, therefore, no one (unless it an official venue, promotor, etc. representative) has the right to remove you because they are numerically ahead of you on the unofficial, fan-created list.

1. Clearly this “list" is started WAY ahead of time (days/weeks) by the self-proclaimed line leaders. Obviously top spots are ensured for self-proclaimed line leaders that way they’re in front of the line, every show. Even if they’re not there early in the morning. It’s a way for them to cut in line ahead of people who have arrived early because their name is on the unofficial list.
2. Only those who know where to find it can sign up for it. So it’s clearly designed to be some sort of self-designated power list.
3. The self-proclaimed line leaders use it as a way to to make sure them and their buddies get the best spots no matter what and that everyone else is behind them.
Sub-note: I totally get that they TRY and run this as way to organize the GA line but when they belittle, badger, threaten, and are 100% belligerent to the people actually following the official venue rules, then they are the ones that are the problem.
4. Why should hundreds of other people be able to get in front of me because they signed an unofficial, fan-created, list days before the show day when they weren’t physically at the venue waiting in line that morning?
5. The more people who stand against the unofficial lists, the sooner they go away, and fans can truly line up on a first come, first severed basis.

Keep in mind: If this was in any way official, the venue or promoter would tell you to go to the little Irish pub in XYZ city, sign up on the composition notebook with the unofficial self proclaimed line leader, sharpie the number on your hands, and then come back that morning and get in line based on that number.

Always listen to official representatives - be respectful - stay calm - and understand that self-proclaimed line leaders do not make the rules or own the line. U2 concerts, and any concert for that matter, should be enjoyable, fun, and safe zones. Unfortunately, these self-proclaimed line leaders, make it extremely difficult, annoying, and even hurtful. They think they are above everyone else, and treat others as if they don’t deserve a good spot in line. If they were truly passionate about a band that is passionate about love and respect, they would embody those characteristics and values as well. They should be ashamed and embarrassed by the way treat others and walk around on their high-horses made of straw.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2017, 06:57:42 PM »
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I'm still 100% serious about making a mock list for the Pittsburgh show, since I'll be doing GA there (I do live in Pittsburgh, but am also going to Chicago 2, but in the seats).

Why not try to make a real line and tell people they have to stay until showtime? That would be real interesting. Just like they did in 1987

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2017, 07:39:32 PM »
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I'm on a Facebook group where people sell their spare U2 tickets at face value, and some woman named Diana just posted that she started the queue for Cleveland while in LA for the Rose Bowl shows. I inquired about it (I mostly want to see how much B.S. I can get her to admit to), and her friend then offered to add me to their list, putting me at #3 (I'm not even going to the Cleveland show).

We should all join the list even if we aren't going to Cleveland! Just to screw it up a bit!
I prodded them on, and it turns out that they were joking, and they hate these unofficial lines with at least as much passion as we do.

I forget that sarcasm doesn't always translate over the internet. 😂 Diana and I are very much anti-list and have been pretty vocal about our displeasure in different groups over the past two tours. I've been blocked by many list keepers solely for my opinions. The nonsense that has gone on has turned me off of queuing completely. I'm content to just have a soundboard dance party in Foxboro and Cleveland. :)
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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2017, 07:41:34 PM »
51U2 you are my hero! Well done.


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I'm on a Facebook group where people sell their spare U2 tickets at face value, and some woman named Diana just posted that she started the queue for Cleveland while in LA for the Rose Bowl shows. I inquired about it (I mostly want to see how much B.S. I can get her to admit to), and her friend then offered to add me to their list, putting me at #3 (I'm not even going to the Cleveland show).

Hey, I'm Diana and yes that was 100% a joke. I'm rather vocal about hating the list system, and have actually been blocked by some of the list folks. I'm quite proud of that.

I will be at Cleveland, but will not queue hope to see some of you lovely people there.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2017, 08:06:08 PM »
Here's the thing that I don't get though. It seems like these people travel to almost every show on a tour.

Don't they have jobs?

Also, wonder if they caused issues on 360 during the Australian, South African and South American shows.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2017, 11:18:47 PM »
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51U2 you are my hero! Well done.


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I'm on a Facebook group where people sell their spare U2 tickets at face value, and some woman named Diana just posted that she started the queue for Cleveland while in LA for the Rose Bowl shows. I inquired about it (I mostly want to see how much B.S. I can get her to admit to), and her friend then offered to add me to their list, putting me at #3 (I'm not even going to the Cleveland show).

Hey, I'm Diana and yes that was 100% a joke. I'm rather vocal about hating the list system, and have actually been blocked by some of the list folks. I'm quite proud of that.

I will be at Cleveland, but will not queue hope to see some of you lovely people there.

Hahaha, I seriously wish that we were going to one of the same shows now, as I love a good sense of humor! I'm going to Chicago 2 and Pittsburgh. If I can find a Cleveland ticket that's either face value or if the Stubhub et al prices come down, then I may take the train or bus over (I live in Pittsburgh, only 2 hours away).

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2017, 11:32:55 PM »
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51U2 you are my hero! Well done.


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I'm on a Facebook group where people sell their spare U2 tickets at face value, and some woman named Diana just posted that she started the queue for Cleveland while in LA for the Rose Bowl shows. I inquired about it (I mostly want to see how much B.S. I can get her to admit to), and her friend then offered to add me to their list, putting me at #3 (I'm not even going to the Cleveland show).

Hey, I'm Diana and yes that was 100% a joke. I'm rather vocal about hating the list system, and have actually been blocked by some of the list folks. I'm quite proud of that.

I will be at Cleveland, but will not queue hope to see some of you lovely people there.

They shouldn't have the right to block you if the venue uses their list

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2017, 01:21:49 PM »
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They're starting Chicago soon

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2017, 01:51:05 PM »
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They're starting Chicago soon

Don't know if he intended it (ok, surely yes), but that tweet seems like a cry for importance. But I suppose most tweets are.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2017, 07:09:59 PM »
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They're starting Chicago soon

Don't know if he intended it (ok, surely yes), but that tweet seems like a cry for importance. But I suppose most tweets are.

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If I was going to that Chicago show I would be the first one to that gate and the sharpie line leaders and their followers would be lining up behind me and everyone else that arrived early that morning.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2017, 11:21:32 PM »
Starting a list for in Wednesday for a concert on Saturday only makes it that much harder for people who actually live in that state. Let alone, the stupid check in which really have no purpose other than kicking as many people off as they can. Doing check in's does not make your list any more of a line.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2017, 03:57:30 AM »
Interesting thread as I've never come across this in the UK or Europe. Is this just an American thing?

Is this also the reason why U2 had a lottery system for entry into the "heart" on the Vertigo tour?
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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2017, 05:05:30 AM »
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Interesting thread as I've never come across this in the UK or Europe. Is this just an American thing?

Is this also the reason why U2 had a lottery system for entry into the "heart" on the Vertigo tour?

It's definitely a thing in the UK. However, I've never seen it start before the morning of the show and everyone stays in line except for breaks for food etc. It's very helpful having the number system as it stops people pushing in line (if i recall correctly the leaders of another forum tried to get their mates into the queue without a number at the O2 for ie and failed miserably). I've never seen this whole line nazi thing though. They slot it at whatever position they are at quite happily.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2017, 05:55:52 AM »
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Questions about the GA line? Here was my experience. 

Well done. That list B.S. has got to go and everyone involved with it can f*** off.

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Re: GA and the "Unofficial List"
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2017, 06:01:46 AM »
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It's  well known that Bruce Springsteen management put  and end to the "fan-run" B.S. 15 years ago

Not really. I saw Springsteen 5 years ago and there were list nazis there as well. People showed up in the morning and put their name down then went sightseeing for 6 hours before going back to the stadium and going to the front of the line. Lovely stuff.