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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 12:46:50 PM »
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I think the OP is a bit overly-critical.  Having read the recent interview with Bono, it's obvious they HAVE put thought into the setlist, or at least as much as they can, considering half of it is already pre-determined.  I agree that the end of the show doesn't quite work, but it's not for a lack of thought put into it.  UV and MS are hardly "lazy" choices, and they have obviously put in the effort to work them into a theme, but the execution of them, I agree, is a bit lacking.  BD is, despite any of my protests, going to probably be a part of their setlists until they hang it up--and the audience responds to it, so why would they care what a few jaded super-fans think?  One is another song they're probably always going to do.  Elevation--well, that's one that continues to make me scratch my head, but again, the crowd responds to it.  It's the only song that I will say they outright shouldn't be playing, since it's somehow been a part of practically every tour since 2001. 

I'm with you that ASOH should be kept as a part of the set.  I regret not getting it at my show--it's a rarity that's worth bringing out again, and it works thematically.  Bad as the third song does seem too early for me, too, but I also see it as part of the "place setting" of the opening segment.

But complaining about the setlist from a band 40-year old band, literally touring a 30-year old album, in stadiums, seems to kind of miss the mark on who this band is, and who this tour is for.  They are most certainly trying to appeal to old and casual fans here.
Totally agree. I also agree with OP that a longer build up to JT would be nice.

One the one hand, I can see that.  Having a full 8 or so songs before Streets does make sense; ending the main set with MOTD, then doing a 4-song (or even less) encore.

I think the issue with that is, are they going to really dedicate 8 songs to 80's material that doesn't include TJT material, or do they incorporate 90's/00's stuff in the set before TJT?  Do you want to see them play that long without the video/lighting effects the screen affords?  If you DO start using the screen earlier, does that take away some of the effect of Streets?

There are certainly other ways to do what they're doing, but I don't think they're doing it this way out of laziness--it's just the decision they reached for this tour.  Heck, I could STILL see a version of this tour where they do TJT right out of the gate, leaving an entire second half to do hits, or new material, or anything else.  Not that that's necessarily the better way to go, but it's an option that still exists.

I don't think that option does exist because of the show start time would be when it's still light and the amazing Streets intro doesn't work until it's dark. So I expect more songs at the front end in Europe.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 01:03:56 PM »
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I think the OP is a bit overly-critical.  Having read the recent interview with Bono, it's obvious they HAVE put thought into the setlist, or at least as much as they can, considering half of it is already pre-determined.  I agree that the end of the show doesn't quite work, but it's not for a lack of thought put into it.  UV and MS are hardly "lazy" choices, and they have obviously put in the effort to work them into a theme, but the execution of them, I agree, is a bit lacking.  BD is, despite any of my protests, going to probably be a part of their setlists until they hang it up--and the audience responds to it, so why would they care what a few jaded super-fans think?  One is another song they're probably always going to do.  Elevation--well, that's one that continues to make me scratch my head, but again, the crowd responds to it.  It's the only song that I will say they outright shouldn't be playing, since it's somehow been a part of practically every tour since 2001. 

I'm with you that ASOH should be kept as a part of the set.  I regret not getting it at my show--it's a rarity that's worth bringing out again, and it works thematically.  Bad as the third song does seem too early for me, too, but I also see it as part of the "place setting" of the opening segment.

But complaining about the setlist from a band 40-year old band, literally touring a 30-year old album, in stadiums, seems to kind of miss the mark on who this band is, and who this tour is for.  They are most certainly trying to appeal to old and casual fans here.
Totally agree. I also agree with OP that a longer build up to JT would be nice.

One the one hand, I can see that.  Having a full 8 or so songs before Streets does make sense; ending the main set with MOTD, then doing a 4-song (or even less) encore.

I think the issue with that is, are they going to really dedicate 8 songs to 80's material that doesn't include TJT material, or do they incorporate 90's/00's stuff in the set before TJT?  Do you want to see them play that long without the video/lighting effects the screen affords?  If you DO start using the screen earlier, does that take away some of the effect of Streets?

There are certainly other ways to do what they're doing, but I don't think they're doing it this way out of laziness--it's just the decision they reached for this tour.  Heck, I could STILL see a version of this tour where they do TJT right out of the gate, leaving an entire second half to do hits, or new material, or anything else.  Not that that's necessarily the better way to go, but it's an option that still exists.

I don't think that option does exist because of the show start time would be when it's still light and the amazing Streets intro doesn't work until it's dark. So I expect more songs at the front end in Europe.

I've heard this reasoning from others on the forum, but to be honest, it was plenty dark by the start the show at Chicago 1.  (Maybe it's different at other sites/countries...I don't know.)  We're also only talking a difference of 20 minutes or so.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 03:34:03 PM »
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Elevation--well, that's one that continues to make me scratch my head, but again, the crowd responds to it.  It's the only song that I will say they outright shouldn't be playing, since it's somehow been a part of practically every tour since 2001.

When it's a song that gets one of the biggest reactions of the night, you can see why it's one that sticks around a bit. On top of that, people seem to forget that it wasn't even played at 2/3 of the 2015 I&E shows.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 05:48:10 PM »
I mentioned this in my review of the Tampa show, but Elevation was delivered beautifully in Tampa. Gone was the long intro of sort of just singing the first verse and chorus over Edge's fuzzy guitar intro, and instead was an intro more faithful to the recording. It was the perfect way to ensure that the energy level going into the song was high, and it appeared to clearly be the highlight of the show. If it gets played a lot, it definitely earned the right to be based on how it went last night. I thought the whole confounded state was going to explode from that onslaught. ;D

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 07:17:19 PM »
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I mentioned this in my review of the Tampa show, but Elevation was delivered beautifully in Tampa. Gone was the long intro of sort of just singing the first verse and chorus over Edge's fuzzy guitar intro, and instead was an intro more faithful to the recording. It was the perfect way to ensure that the energy level going into the song was high, and it appeared to clearly be the highlight of the show. If it gets played a lot, it definitely earned the right to be based on how it went last night. I thought the whole confounded state was going to explode from that onslaught. ;D

I loved it at the Pittsburgh show. After the emotional Joshua Tree journey, more specifically the end of the album, it really does get the energy back up and "gets the party going" again. Before this tour it was always a song I would skip through or never give a second glance but now, after that night, I get it.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2017, 12:20:15 AM »
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Aside from the very welcome full Joshua Tree in order, which is what we are paying for, it is stale and lazy. Closing with Vertigo? Elevation (can't it just die?)? Miss Sarajevo with a canned Pavarotti, oh wait, it's Miss Syria now. Bad so early on and reaching a high emotional peak three songs in with Streets at #5? The show is an ill conceived mess. The band doesn't care, not one bit. They are doing this because SOE wasn't done and Live Nation put pressure on them. But because they are lazy, it's wheel out the obvious songs and little else.

What do I suggest? Longer build up to TJT of pre TJT material. Keep some of the same songs, rotate others in and out. Play ASOH every night. Play something from Boy or October. Then TJT in order like they've been doing, it's a stunner. Then a brief pause and a max 3 or 4 song encore. I'm not against One or Elevation or MS or BD or Vertigo being played...what I'm against is the same exact thing on several consecutive nights. Mix it up. And I realize it could be a lot worse...they could be playing Stuck In A Moment or Mysterious Ways. Thank goodness they aren't.

What shows have you seen? I've talked to a few people who are seeing U2 for the first time or the first time since JT87 and they have all said it's the best concert they've ever seen. Could it be that the expectations of us uber fans are a bit too high?

On this tour, I've seen 2 Rose Bowl shows and upcoming in San Diego. I've seen 47 shows total so far since Zoo TV.

I'm not concerned with the new arrivals. Longtime dedicated fans with long memories like mine won't be satisfied with a set that is pretty much Xeroxed night to night. I'm lucky I got to hear ASOH and TLTTGYA.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2017, 12:23:56 AM »
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First saw U2 1981. Went to Miami show. One of the best I've seen. We're not all going to get certain songs we want to hear. If you don't like the setlist, you don't have to go. Don't get the complaining of wher Bad is in the set. I'm just glad it's in the set. Those first four songs are a fantastic opening. One sounded amazing, especially after the karaoke I&he version. Last three songs totally rocked the house!

Bad is a song that is for a certain emotional arc in the show. Because of TJT portion, we're already getting Streets at #5 when typically in the recent past post 80's TJT tour, it's been played mid way or 3/4 through the show. Bad is typically played at the end of shows for a reason. It's an emotional song. So, Bad at #3 and Streets at #5 front loads their most cathartic songs in their catalog early in the show. There is OTH and MOTD later on of course. But Bad should be at the end, the very end. Closing. Not freaking Vertigo, a stale and uninspired choice.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2017, 04:08:10 AM »
I thought Vertigo was a great closer. I think that ending on one of your hardest-rocking, most adrenaline-fueling songs is a great way to not just end the show, but leave you wanting more.

I also have to imagine it's a response to the apparently muted reception several people had said TLTTGYA was getting. If you want to keep the fans in their seats until the very end, what better way to do so than with a fan favorite like Vertigo?

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2017, 07:44:48 AM »
I can't help finding a bit sad that the most recent song on the setlist was released in 2004.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2017, 08:02:59 AM »
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I mentioned this in my review of the Tampa show, but Elevation was delivered beautifully in Tampa. Gone was the long intro of sort of just singing the first verse and chorus over Edge's fuzzy guitar intro, and instead was an intro more faithful to the recording. It was the perfect way to ensure that the energy level going into the song was high, and it appeared to clearly be the highlight of the show. If it gets played a lot, it definitely earned the right to be based on how it went last night. I thought the whole confounded state was going to explode from that onslaught. ;D
lol this is funny, you've never seen it played in the Boston area lol.  It didn't seem that crazy to me in Tampa.  Not after seeing it in Boston

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2017, 11:23:07 AM »
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Aside from the very welcome full Joshua Tree in order, which is what we are paying for, it is stale and lazy. Closing with Vertigo? Elevation (can't it just die?)? Miss Sarajevo with a canned Pavarotti, oh wait, it's Miss Syria now. Bad so early on and reaching a high emotional peak three songs in with Streets at #5? The show is an ill conceived mess. The band doesn't care, not one bit. They are doing this because SOE wasn't done and Live Nation put pressure on them. But because they are lazy, it's wheel out the obvious songs and little else.

What do I suggest? Longer build up to TJT of pre TJT material. Keep some of the same songs, rotate others in and out. Play ASOH every night. Play something from Boy or October. Then TJT in order like they've been doing, it's a stunner. Then a brief pause and a max 3 or 4 song encore. I'm not against One or Elevation or MS or BD or Vertigo being played...what I'm against is the same exact thing on several consecutive nights. Mix it up. And I realize it could be a lot worse...they could be playing Stuck In A Moment or Mysterious Ways. Thank goodness they aren't.

What shows have you seen? I've talked to a few people who are seeing U2 for the first time or the first time since JT87 and they have all said it's the best concert they've ever seen. Could it be that the expectations of us uber fans are a bit too high?

On this tour, I've seen 2 Rose Bowl shows and upcoming in San Diego. I've seen 47 shows total so far since Zoo TV.

I'm not concerned with the new arrivals. Longtime dedicated fans with long memories like mine won't be satisfied with a set that is pretty much Xeroxed night to night. I'm lucky I got to hear ASOH and TLTTGYA.

The ZooTv, PopMart and 360 setlist were largely xeroxed night to night (though w some variations w each new leg, I will admit. Really only the Elevation and Vertigo had consistent setlist changes.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2017, 12:23:03 PM »
Sigh.

I walked out feeling more excited than I have since zoo TV. Different strokes I guess

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2017, 12:29:38 PM »
I have never been disappointed with a U2 show ever.  Tampa was fantastic, they are living legends. Being a huge fan nothing makes more excited then seeing the casual fans love it and they did at the show I went too.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2017, 02:58:30 PM »
The last tours last few songs "the experience portion" felt lazily put together. It was basically greatest hits at the end

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2017, 06:18:16 PM »
For me, I love having WOWY and Streets at the end of the show. I would play Out of Control or Electric Co in the first few songs. They still sound great to me so this is just being picky. 

I can't tell you how many times I have put the JT on and listened from Running to Stand Still to the end. Its a dream to hear it live. Love every minute.