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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2017, 02:20:26 PM »
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Yes indeed. And to address an earlier point, I don't see any point in performing a classic album in its entirety if it isn't done in order, because most of the time, albums are sequenced in a certain way on purpose, whether they tell a story (like The Wall, for example) or not (Born To Run, The River).

Every time I've seen a band play an album front to back, it's been in order. I didn't see a mass exodus or booing when Springsteen played the second side of The River... you know, with Hungry Heart and Out in the Street being in the middle of Side 1 and all.

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I mean, there are like 35 threads all asking different questions, and 90 percent of all these questions have the same answer: Because U2 are charging a lot of money in huge, loud stadiums to mostly casuals fans who are paying to hear songs they know. That's the answer to just about every single question being asked. Why no Pop? Why not this song? Why that song again?

See above. These things cost a fortune to attend, from the tickets to the food to the parking, you name it. It takes hours beforehand to get in and at least an hour to get out. You are often trading a day of your life for this show. They can't go out there and give people North And South Of The River. They just can't.

True. As for the other song considerations on top of those...

- Do any of us want to play this live? All of us?
- Would this song sound good live?
- Can Bono do it justice vocally? If not, can we change the key? Does it sound good then?
- Where does it fit into the show we're trying to do for this tour?

Right. I saw The River too, and also Born To Run. In sequence, both of them. It just has to be that way, IMO.

I think the questions you pose are absolutely in the discussions the band has with Willie when organizing a show. That's what makes a warhorse a warhorse; after they play (on most tours) the new material, they go to the back catalog, and no doubt, the same conversations are had over and over again. And the answers to those questions you ask are the same as they were last time.

Imagine this imaginary conversation:

Bono: Hey! Let's play Like A Song?
LMJ: Edge hates that one, remember? We talked about it in 2015 on I+E? We argued about it for two days and Bono wouldn't shut up?
Edge: Yeah; let's not go there. I hate that song.
Bono: Oh yeah, sorry. But I do want to play it.
Edge: Well, we aren't unless you want to play guitar while I go play video games with Dallas.
LMJ: Ouch. That's a sick burn.
Bono: But I can't play-
All of the band: WE KNOW
(Uncomfortable silence)
Adam: New Year's Day has a pretty decent bass part, as I recall ...

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2017, 03:50:57 PM »
I am a hard-core, deep-cuts kind of fan, and I love the setlist.  A song like Elevation I'm not going to listen to very often otherwise, but it is so fun in a setting like that, with the whole crowd completely pumped up. There was no point in time during the show (Kentucky), when I thought "eek, they are losing the crowd." The energy level was great. I can save my deep cuts for my own personal listening time. 

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2017, 10:48:22 PM »
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Based on what they've played thus far, a realistic setlist, for me, would be:

1. Sunday Bloody Sunday
2. New Year's Day
3. A Sort Of Homecoming
4. Bad
5. Pride
6. MLK
7. Where The Streets Have No Name
8. I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
9. With Or Without You
10. Bullet The Blue Sky
11. Running To Stand Still
12. Red Hill Mining Town
13. In God's Country
14. Trip Through Your Wires
15. One Tree Hill
16. Exit
17. Mothers Of The Disappeared

[90s encore/political segment]
18. Miss Sarajevo
19. Ultraviolet
20. One

[2000s+ encore]
21. Beautiful Day
22. Elevation
23. Vertigo
24. The Little Things That Give You Away
25. I Will Follow

The set is slightly too long. Bad should go to the encore, or ASOH has to leave. No I will follow, do vertigo after little things.
By the middle of the 360 tour, 24-25 songs was standard. The opening night of I&E was 24, and Europe consistently had 25 a night. So, it's not really too long, especially as MLK hardly quailfies as a song.

Also, I'm against having Bad in the encore, as it doesn't fit with the chronological structure that they seem keen on. I'm cool with their closing with I Will Follow, though, as they then end on the first international single, thus bringing the show full circle.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2017, 10:55:03 PM »
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Yes indeed. And to address an earlier point, I don't see any point in performing a classic album in its entirety if it isn't done in order, because most of the time, albums are sequenced in a certain way on purpose, whether they tell a story (like The Wall, for example) or not (Born To Run, The River).

Every time I've seen a band play an album front to back, it's been in order. I didn't see a mass exodus or booing when Springsteen played the second side of The River... you know, with Hungry Heart and Out in the Street being in the middle of Side 1 and all.

I saw John Fogerty a few years ago for the first time (I've seen him once since). After his first or second song, he announced that they would be playing the entirety of Cosmos Factory (while he's had a solid run as a solo artist, he knows that most people wanna hear him play Centerfield and then pretty much any and everything from CCR). As they opened the show with the third track from that great album (Traveling Band), it was obvious that they wouldn't be playing it in order.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2017, 12:02:37 AM »
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If the rule is...
1. Shortish opening set that's pre-TJT
2. Play TJT in order
3. Encore of post TJT songs

...then they've got it more or less right now I think.

As many people have pointed out the real problem is almost all of the 'emotional' songs are in the first half of the show. One way to counter this would have been to play TJT in reverse order.

But I'm sure there would have been some 'fans' that would have complained about that too.

Then you'd go Pride into MOTD? The issue is Bad and Streets in the first 5 songs. Problem solved closing show with Bad and a 40 snippet or full 40.

I would have no problem with Pride ending the pre-TJT set and the main TJT set starting with MOTD. And putting Bad and 40 in the encore doesn't work thematically (i.e. pre-TJT set, TJT set and post-TJT set).

The "thematic" idea is a problem because you're having massive songs with huge emotional arcs (Bad and Streets) within the first 5 songs. Show reaches a peak too early.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2017, 12:03:42 AM »
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Y'all ... They are charging almost $300 for lower bowl seats. They cannot play album cuts and songs we want to hear all night, especially when they have committed to playing side 2 of TJT in sequence. When you make that decision, you basically have to play hits the rest of the night. They tried a somber, pensive encore, and they decided for whatever reason that wasn't the vibe they wanted and changed it to up-tempo.

My fear is that, because of the front-heavy nature of TJT, they are never going try to do this kind of thing again, when an album like Achtung Baby is tailor-made to be played in sequence, because the pacing is more even and the singles are evenly dispersed throughout the album. This is in stark contrast to TJT, where every familiar song is first and the deep cuts are all after.

I commend them for trying this, but at the end of the day, TJT was a tough one to do in sequence. The only thing I see that they could have done differently would be to open with the album, because even though that's too early to play Streets, it is a throwback to the original tour, and they are playing it fourth or fifth anyway, which also is too early. Does 20 minutes difference really matter that much?

Excellent points, all.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2017, 06:00:42 AM »
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Sagging for side two? Shoot, I thought that was the better half of the album. I love Streets, but at least for me, In God's Country kicks off a five-song run that beats the five right before it, and that's saying something.

Of course, radio airplay would seem to indicate that my view is not widely shared. ;)

^This.  Even people who haven't seen U2 have heard tracks 1-3 often.  The casual fans I'm going with and listening to JT to prepare tell me they love Trip Through Wires, In God's Country, and One Tree Hill.  We know Exit kicks butt and Mothers is a fine closer to the set.  I think it's great to play in order.  At a time when running order was an important decision for album releases, why would it be any different live than listening to Side A and Side B in the bands desired order. 

 And and the post about enjoying Elevation at the show even though it's not a deep cut because it brings energy to everyone else.  Finally, some reasonable expectations.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2017, 11:10:02 AM »
Is anyone else enjoying the fact many are bemoaning where in the set certain songs are being done, which implies that a particular song "has" to be forever in that slot, yet lamenting the warhorses and lack of variety....

Another way of considering it might be there is risk, and therefore an enjoyable challenge for the band, in trying to pull off a set structure with Bad early and Streets somewhere other than its customary roof raising position...

Challenge for the band, more so for the uber fan..

Personally, i would love them to work up 2 or 3 songs for several slots in the show that would work with the theme, arc, mood, lighting etc... So if they need an up rocker they may have 3 or 4 to pick from rather than just Elevation... Would see massive combination options, help the die hards, give them freedom but maintain the structure..

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2017, 11:37:57 AM »
I'll just add: I just saw Metallica play.  Great show.  It was in support of their new album--they played 5 of the 12 new songs.  Aside from those five, care to hazard a guess what the setlist was comprised of?  Hits.  There was a single song played from any time between 1991 and 2017.  Maybe one or two songs that could generously be considered a rarity.  When they played Enter Sandman, I said to my gf: "oh, here's their 'Personal Jesus'".  Meaning, it's the song that the die-hards probably roll their eyes to, but the casuals go bananas for.  When I see Depeche Mode later this summer, it will be the same thing: a lot of hits that the die-hards have heard a million times, and a handful of some new material.

The fact that U2 even bothered with ASOH (however briefly), Miss Sarajevo, Ultraviolet, and a new song--on a nostalgia tour no less--is fairly remarkable.  These types of shows, by and large, are not usually catered for the die-hards, they're an invitation to the casuals and first-timers.  Those of us who prowl the forums should remember that we simply aren't U2's typical fan.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2017, 01:19:33 PM »
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I'll just add: I just saw Metallica play.  Great show.  It was in support of their new album--they played 5 of the 12 new songs.  Aside from those five, care to hazard a guess what the setlist was comprised of?  Hits.  There was a single song played from any time between 1991 and 2017.  Maybe one or two songs that could generously be considered a rarity.  When they played Enter Sandman, I said to my gf: "oh, here's their 'Personal Jesus'".  Meaning, it's the song that the die-hards probably roll their eyes to, but the casuals go bananas for.  When I see Depeche Mode later this summer, it will be the same thing: a lot of hits that the die-hards have heard a million times, and a handful of some new material.

The fact that U2 even bothered with ASOH (however briefly), Miss Sarajevo, Ultraviolet, and a new song--on a nostalgia tour no less--is fairly remarkable.  These types of shows, by and large, are not usually catered for the die-hards, they're an invitation to the casuals and first-timers.  Those of us who prowl the forums should remember that we simply aren't U2's typical fan.

Completely agree. On the last tour, people on here and Interference were making light that the band was playing "only" 6-9 new songs a night. I've seen some shows were a band might play one or two. Most average 3-4, and U2 usually almost always goes over that. Even the final 360 shows had them playing 3-4 NLOTH songs consistently, two years after the fact.

As for the die-hards vs. casuals argument... there's maybe three or four bands where I can literally name every song and know most of them by heart to some extent. I go to a lot more shows nowadays and, more often than not, I'm probably one of the "casual" fans for each of them. I saw Metallica for the first time last year and enjoyed the show as well. Do you think I wanted to hear the big hits over obscure album tracks from their first few albums. Of course I did. I'm going to make mental note of a song I hear for the first time and like, I'm sure, but I definitely want to hear the stuff I know when I go to one of those things too.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM »
My opinion after watching all the shows so far and attending one (so far):
They aren't playing around much with the front end (as much as I'd like them to keep ASOH ) and can't switch order of JT...let's discuss the back end...
Take Miss Sarajevo out but keep the visuals and replace with One instead.
Keep Ultraviolet where it was or alternate with Mysterious Ways if need be.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2017, 02:47:53 PM »
Mysterious ways.......just in time for Europe FFS 😟😟😟😟😟😟😟😟😟😟 gutted played at every u2 show I've seen since zoo tv. Was hoping for a miss, let's see if it was a one off or a perm addition I fear the later, instead of ultraviolet as well, I scratch my had

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2017, 03:32:35 PM »
its too short!!! only 2 hours?? come on. a band of u2's status has gotta play at least 2:15 to 2:30. a short pearl jam show is 2:30, theyve been consistently pushing 3 hours the last few years. springsteen plays about 3 hrs every nite. i just saw metallica and they played around 2:15.

the setlist would be fine if they would add 2 or 3 more songs.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2017, 03:51:08 PM »
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My opinion after watching all the shows so far and attending one (so far):
They aren't playing around much with the front end (as much as I'd like them to keep ASOH ) and can't switch order of JT...let's discuss the back end...
Take Miss Sarajevo out but keep the visuals and replace with One instead.
Keep Ultraviolet where it was or alternate with Mysterious Ways if need be.
Or, better yet, they could replace Miss Sarajevo with Please. One, it's a far better song, and would fit thematically; two, it'd at least give a nod to Pop, being it's 20th anniversary this year.

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Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2017, 04:45:32 PM »
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My opinion after watching all the shows so far and attending one (so far):
They aren't playing around much with the front end (as much as I'd like them to keep ASOH ) and can't switch order of JT...let's discuss the back end...
Take Miss Sarajevo out but keep the visuals and replace with One instead.
Keep Ultraviolet where it was or alternate with Mysterious Ways if need be.
Or, better yet, they could replace Miss Sarajevo with Please. One, it's a far better song, and would fit thematically; two, it'd at least give a nod to Pop, being it's 20th anniversary this year.
Love that!
I was going with One only because it's never going away (like Pride) so was trying to out it to good use 😊