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Offline trevgreg

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »
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One thing that struck me about GOOYOW is that the chord progression is the exact same as S4S. (Same is true for YTBTAM - the chorus progression and the progression for S4S are the same.) That really hurt it for me initially (especially since it came after YTBTAM which made the same "mistake"). You want them to come out swinging doing something different and it didn't strike me as different enough, and the similarities to S4S wasn't different enough for me.

Again. I really do like it now. But initially, those were my feelings.

Agreed. If you want to go a step further, it follows a few other songs as well...

D-A-E-F#m: California in most of the verses.
E-B-F#-G#m: Song for Someone in the pre-chorus, chorus and outro.
F#-C#-G#-A#m: Last Night on Earth in some of the chorus.
G-D-A-Bm: The Best Thing's chorus and the first part of the main riff to Get Out of Your Own Way.

If anything, I was a tad annoyed that they didn't just rely on yet another I–V–vi–IV progression of some sort, but that they used almost the same one for both the first and second singles off of an album. Same key and everything. But honestly, that's probably just the musician in me... and if I look past that, both songs are fine for the most part.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2018, 08:47:22 AM »
More a question of arrangement than the song itself. I like the song and concept, but I wish there was more "bite" in the lyric "get out of your own way." It feels too smooth, too layered in the harmonies. It should have more crunch, more aggression to go with the concept of the song. I was hoping when played live it would be bolder, but not so.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2018, 04:08:18 PM »
It's listenable and not offensive. But also lightweight and fluffy. I did not become a U2 fan because of their fluffiness.

For me,  hate is too strong a word for GOYOW.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 02:50:07 PM »
I wish it started right with the "Love hurts" lyric. The open doesn't really build to anything, so if it jumped in at the first lyric, that lyric has more bite. 

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2018, 08:02:49 AM »
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It's listenable and not offensive. But also lightweight and fluffy. I did not become a U2 fan because of their fluffiness.

For me,  hate is too strong a word for GOYOW.

This mostly sums it up for me.  It's not as bad as Crazy Tonight, but it feels like it's cut from the same cloth.

I also feel like Bono gets attached to little one-liners that he creates a song around, especially in the last 10-15 years or so.  I feel like this is one of those, like he thought of the line "Get Our Of Your Own Way"--which sounds to me like he's almost singing to himself, actually--and decides that line can apply to, I don't know, America?  It's just not terribly compelling.  And lots of little cutesy rhymes: "fight back, bite back", etc.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2018, 08:55:18 AM »
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And if he’s not allowed to talk about U.S. slavery, do they need to retract Silver & Gold? Are they still allowed to perform songs like Pride and MLK that are about the historical results of slavery?

I would say he can talk about US slavery but needs to be careful not to try to speak like it's his story. Jay-Z isn't trying to talk about the Troubles like he knows what it's like for the people who lived it. Pride and MLK are fine, imho, because they honor a specific man, but the songs don't try to speak for a people about a subject that Bono doesn't have the nuance on.

Bono once famously complained on-stage about "Irish-Americans, who haven't been back to their country in 20 or 30 years, come up to ME and talk about the resistance, the revolution back home." He was 100% correct. Irish-Americans can be interested, they can have an opinion, but they have to realize, they can't speak for the Irish anymore. And people who aren't even Irish-American, who were actually born in America, perhaps to Americans, perhaps who don't have much or any Irish ancestry, can speak even less because they don't know. We think we might know but we don't. So Bono needs to be as careful as he rightly thinks non-Irish need to be careful.

Silver and Gold was different from Pride and MLK. Musically, I love that song - the R&H version was a family favorite when I was growing up. Very powerful, makes me really feel something. But Bono uses the first person in the lyrics, and that would be like me (an American) writing my own version of Raised by Wolves in the first person, imagining what it was like. (I realize Bono used the first person to describe his friend's experience and not his own, but they fully share that culture and he could capture the nuance of his friend's experience very accurately). In Silver and Gold there are lyrics that try to describe the racial oppression of Apartheid (which he has never remotely experienced), and with a dramatic license, without that shared culture.

In Pride and MLK, he doesn't try to speak for MLK or tell King's story in Bono's words with a dramatic license. He simply honors him, and that is a good thing.


In the case if GOOYOW,  slavery is just a metaphor, not a comment on historical slavery.  I think he is clearly referring to the current US president, and some of his supporters desire to have a leader that tells them what they want to hear instead of the truth.  They become slaves to their desire for an alternate reality, and consequently to the president himself.  The president, on the other hand is using them to bolster his ego...”the master’s looking for someone to need him”.

The Lincoln reference is just reflecting on the idea that as a moral leader he played a role in freeing us of literal slavery and if he was here today maybe he would provide moral leadership for this situation.


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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2018, 09:04:50 AM »
Agreed it's a metaphor. Don't want it to be watered down though.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2018, 09:29:48 AM »
Maybe it could have been speeded up half way through.  With some more passion & heavy guitar. They had the chorus in place.

I do like the way the ending merges into AS. At least that is something different by U2.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 11:09:32 AM »
I think it's an okay song.  Not a U2 classic by any means, but alright.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2018, 01:54:15 PM »
It is a great song. It has a great hook and great guitar playing by Edge.

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2018, 05:45:39 PM »
I love the song and can’t wait to hear it live. It’s helped me do something difficult - I got out of my own way and overcame shyness to do a radio interview for my job. Not sure I could’ve done that without this song ringing joyfully in my head. Love it loads and I really love Larry’s drum part in it. The drums feel quite different and interesting, especially in the chorus x

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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 01:56:45 AM »
I have neither a positive nor a negative opinion of GOOYOW; instead the strongest impression I have of this song is this is the closest U2 has come to sounding like Taylor Swift. Melodically & rhythmically, this sounds like it could belong on either 1989 or Reputation.
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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2018, 03:37:27 AM »
It's about 10x better than Taylor Swift!!

But I get what you are saying, LToy.  It's a song meant for commercialism and has been constructed in a way so that it can be played on the radio.  We used to have the local radio station on at work quietly in the background.  I heard GOOYOW every day for about 2 months.  Gradually the song works its way into your head (if you are not used to it already ie: you have not bought SOE) and if you like it, you listen to it in more detail.  So it was played along with the likes of Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Taylor Swift, Camilla Cabello on daytime radio.  Yes it fitted in sonically, but the message in the lyrics - as we know on this forum - goes much deeper than romance, hurt and loss in the way a lot of songs are these days.  As we know it's about a place as much as it is about people.  It might be 'watered down' but it needs to be to get into the subconsciousness of some of the listeners.
Personally I'm getting fed up of hearing the defeatist relationship break-up songs in the charts.  We need something more positive. 
Ariana Grande's No More Tears Left To Cry is the most realist pop song I've heard in a while.  It deals with the difficult issues she and others faced head on. 
I'd much rather listen to that than some whining song about some guy or girl and how they shouted from the top of their lungs, kissed on the back seat of the taxi, woke up the next morning and had a 3 month state of infatuation before one of them called it a day and the other one cried no end of tears.
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Re: Whats with all the hate of Get Out of Your Own Way?
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2018, 03:50:24 AM »
I like the verses a lot.  They have a nice flow to them.  Chorus is only ok, and  it sounds a lot like Beautiful Day.