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Offline Asteroid41

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Fred & Ned
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:16:47 PM »
Hi,

I'm still wondering who Fred & Ned are in The Blackout lyrics.

I came across "The Shoreham Ancients" ,  a group of followers of William Blake.

Could 2 of these members be Fred & Ned?  Frederick Tatham and Edward Calvert?

Below the link of this art group. Highlights are:
" They were the first English manifestation of the formalised artistic "brotherhood"
 "Unlike Blake they were mostly High Tory in politics"
(A "High Tory" bears some resemblance to traditionalist conservatives in the United States)

This might explain the line "Go easy on me brother"

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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 06:24:24 AM »
In"Chimney Sweepers" in Songs of Innocence, Ned and Jack are in the poem. I think Zach and Fred are in there to rhyme with those names.

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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 08:20:41 AM »
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In"Chimney Sweepers" in Songs of Innocence, Ned and Jack are in the poem. I think Zach and Fred are in there to rhyme with those names.

Yeah  I had already read several threads about the Chimney Sweepers. Did this come directly from the band?  I just thought that Fred & Ned somehow belong together, and Zac & Jack also. Would make more sense to me.

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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2018, 08:56:01 AM »
Apparently The Blackout is a letter of this moment. I only discovered it just now! :) So I guess Fred & Ed must be living persons then. Anyway Frederick Tatham of the Shoreham Ancients  (31 July 1805 29 July 1878) fits so well in the lyrics. It seems Fred was in a millenarian sect later on. Maybe the apocalyptic one? This could explain Earthquakes always happen in bed, Fred. And the fact that he had a different political point of view,  but in the same art brotherhood as a Blake follower.
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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 05:20:28 PM »
New options:

Fred Flintstone & Dr Ned

Any thoughts?

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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 08:24:31 AM »
Ned Flanders and Fred Couples

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Re: Fred & Ned
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 10:41:59 AM »
Punk Fred & Punk Ned