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Have U2 run out if ideas?
« on: January 20, 2018, 04:45:31 AM »
The reason I ask this is that 2 tracks on SOE are just rehashes of songs from SOI.
13 is a rehash of Song for Someone, and American Soul is a rehash of Volcano.
Both are inferior to the original songs.



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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 07:32:18 AM »
I'd say it's part of the concept. The two albums belong together, so from an "artistical" view I think it's only logical that SOI and SOE have certain crossing points.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 10:11:52 AM »
Actually, SOE is just a rehash of SOI. Have you noticed that the titles of both albums begin with "Songs of.."?

Not only that, but they're both a rip off of William Blake.

Out of ideas, indeed.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 01:59:22 PM »
There's a similar relationship between Zooropa and Achtung Baby, yet it's a completely original piece of work.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 03:19:46 PM »
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Actually, SOE is just a rehash of SOI. Have you noticed that the titles of both albums begin with "Songs of.."?

Not only that, but they're both a rip off of William Blake.

Out of ideas, indeed.

Creating two albums inspired by the art of William Blake is a great idea. There are some references to the poems of William Blake but this is far from being a rip off. William Blake is using bridges to connect Songs of Innocence with Songs of Experience and this is what U2 is also trying to do. If you really think that this means running out of ideas, you are just missing the point.
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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »
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Actually, SOE is just a rehash of SOI. Have you noticed that the titles of both albums begin with "Songs of.."?

Not only that, but they're both a rip off of William Blake.

Out of ideas, indeed.

Creating two albums inspired by the art of William Blake is a great idea. There are some references to the poems of William Blake but this is far from being a rip off. William Blake is using bridges to connect Songs of Innocence with Songs of Experience and this is what U2 is also trying to do. If you really think that this means running out of ideas, you are just missing the point.

Well then maybe I don't really think that.   ; )

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2018, 04:56:52 PM »
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There's a similar relationship between Zooropa and Achtung Baby, yet it's a completely original piece of work.

There's no doubt the band took a new, different approach to bridging SOI and SOE than they took with AB and Zooropa.

Maybe, to be original, they should've just rehashed the approach they used back then.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 05:04:16 PM »
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The reason I ask this is that 2 tracks on SOE are just rehashes of songs from SOI.
13 is a rehash of Song for Someone, and American Soul is a rehash of Volcano.
Both are inferior to the original songs.

American Soul is as bang average as Volcano. Ho-hum middle aged rockers that are in desperate need of viagra.

But as for 13 being worse than Song For Someone? Give me a break, Song For Someone is up there with the very worst of U2, alongside other such cringe inducing songs like I'll Go Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy. An awful, contrived sachharine piece of nonsense that even wailing overblown songstress Adele would complain of being too wet. So to my surprise, how they took elements of that hilariously bad tune to create something as intimate, restrained and ultimately beautiful song in 13 is beyond me.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2018, 09:38:17 AM »
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The reason I ask this is that 2 tracks on SOE are just rehashes of songs from SOI.
13 is a rehash of Song for Someone, and American Soul is a rehash of Volcano.
Both are inferior to the original songs.
Thatís a fair question. Iíve pivoted between that position and the fact that they wanted the two albums to be connected and I am going with the later. The riff you are referring to is actually part of Glastonbury as well.
I think the Edge probably liked that riff so much , but didnít want to see it go to waste.
I donít think American Soul will have the impact U2 wanted, but this album is so strong it wonít matter.


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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 03:15:39 PM »
13 chews up, spits out and dances on the grave of Song for Someone.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2018, 06:51:41 PM »
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13 chews up, spits out and dances on the grave of Song for Someone.

I don't think I listened to SFS more than 3 times, but I have listened to 13 quite a bit over the past two months.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 05:33:30 AM »
Also the end of Landlady - the refrain that starts with every.. is definitely lifted from something else , not U2, I just can't place it.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 06:14:41 AM »
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Also the end of Landlady - the refrain that starts with every.. is definitely lifted from something else , not U2, I just can't place it.

I find it quite similar to Falling At Your Feet.

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 11:43:28 AM »
No, they are just modifying them (and taking inspiration from poets - I think that's allowed).

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Re: Have U2 run out if ideas?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 06:03:57 PM »
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13 chews up, spits out and dances on the grave of Song for Someone.

This is correct. This is U2 being subtle and gentle in their production and it's brilliant. This is my favorite song from the album and I've had it on regular rotation since.

Other songs of U2 in this vein:

The First Time
Running to Stand Still
One Step Closer to Knowing
MLK
Love is All We Have Left

I wish U2 would go in this direction more often