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Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2018, 10:35:06 AM »
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I can’t imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2’s appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.


LOL...

What were you smoking when you wrote that??

I want some..

This is U2...

We could write 20 threads full of artist/bands that were "more popular" than U2 but they're all either dead, retired or currently touring Indian casinos in the U.S.

U2 is still the biggest band on the planet.

I had a good laugh...

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Artists' appearances on shows like that do not happen with quick phone call or an email.  They are the result of lawyers and executives arguing and negotiating for weeks over contract terms which dictate the strict parameters of the performance/appearance.  U2's executive team did an outstanding job leveraging their diminished (but still-formidable) weight in the industry to get U2 exactly what they wanted.  Trust me - the Grammy people were not beating down U2's door begging them to perform a new and relatively unknown song on a barge in the Hudson River.  This was something U2 and their team masterminded, pitched, and fought tooth and nail for.  Ten years makes a huge difference.  This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.   
right maybe if they were cold play.

I too work in the Muz Buz and U2 can do whatever they want still yes still!

They may of had to hash out details of the performance, timing and production but their management didn’t have to fight for a spot.

The old guard who votes for Grammys love U2 they are from their generation.

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Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2018, 05:56:54 PM »
Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS? They’re a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...that’s where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.

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Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 05:10:21 AM »
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This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.

Of course it is...

It's fun to be a pretend lawyer working for CBS and the Grammy's isn't it?

Of course lawyers and industry folks work and work to meet a promotional deadline.

Why argue?

But U2's fanbase in 2008 isn't that much larger or smaller in 2018.

Whatever bad publicity they achieved with the Apple dump doesn't marginal their act as the biggest band on the planet!

Something they greatly achieved in numbers by both past grandeur and unfortunate luck in 2000's.

Honestly, opening up for the premier telecast of "The Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon was a much, much bigger deal!

Pretty sure that also wasn't done in a couple of days.

Are you a lawyer working for CBS??

If so, Les Moonves should have you fired!

Are you suggesting U2 was sent off LIVE into the abyss of obscurity via a barge...because their just not that popular anymore??

Personally, I like the song and think it's one of their strongest of the album.

Instead, I think the folks at CBS (wanted a very big band) and thought U2 on a barge in NYC was a good (no great!) idea.

And it was a good promotional neat-neat think for a particular demographic that the network obviously desires.

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Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS?

They’re a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...that’s where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.

Clearly there's lots of monkey work to be tweaked.

But mind you, it's still fuc**_ _U2!

There is no second act to be had.

It's just them.
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Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2018, 09:18:02 AM »
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This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.

Of course it is...

It's fun to be a pretend lawyer working for CBS and the Grammy's isn't it?

Of course lawyers and industry folks work and work to meet a promotional deadline.

Why argue?

But U2's fanbase in 2008 isn't that much larger or smaller in 2018.

Whatever bad publicity they achieved with the Apple dump doesn't marginal their act as the biggest band on the planet!

Something they greatly achieved in numbers by both past grandeur and unfortunate luck in 2000's.

Honestly, opening up for the premier telecast of "The Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon was a much, much bigger deal!

Pretty sure that also wasn't done in a couple of days.

Are you a lawyer working for CBS??

If so, Les Moonves should have you fired!

Are you suggesting U2 was sent off LIVE into the abyss of obscurity via a barge...because their just not that popular anymore??

Personally, I like the song and think it's one of their strongest of the album.

Instead, I think the folks at CBS (wanted a very big band) and thought U2 on a barge in NYC was a good (no great!) idea.

And it was a good promotional neat-neat think for a particular demographic that the network obviously desires.

...

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Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS?

They’re a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...that’s where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.

Clearly there's lots of monkey work to be tweaked.

But mind you, it's still fuc**_ _U2!

There is no second act to be had.

It's just them.

Thank you for your internet rebuttal to my post.  I now realize just how wrong I was, thanks to your well-reasoned internet rebuttal.  Thank you.