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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2018, 08:27:09 PM »
Differ on my interpretation or on the axiom?

If the former, let's hear it. If the latter, let's just say the more you give, the more you get. A wise man, he is.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2018, 08:30:17 PM »
Even Confucious say, happy is the man with a happy wife.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2018, 01:32:32 PM »
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Listen to the intro... it's a song about the former USSR with daddy being the West/Capitalism. Also Babyface is about television.

Did someone tell you that?  I wouldn’t have picked that up from the lyrics.

The lyrics can be interpreted in different ways. Someone didn't tell it to me - and would it be more correct if someone did? ;) The track uses a sample from a russian folk song on "Lenins favorite songs" compilation and is on an album called Zooropa with political themes that came out not long after the fall of the Soviet Union. I believe Bono use one of the tricks that he was so good at in the 90's where personal lyrics become political and vice versa. Its a song about dependency and fits on a person as well as a country. Bono sang the song as McPhisto in the tour and "Daddy" in the lyrics could also be interpreted as the devil who is always there for people at their lowest.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2018, 10:37:50 PM »
Watch Zoo TV Sydney and you'll see Zoo Baby cry over the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's one "crashed car" by application, but there are others. Zooropa is an album that takes Achtung Baby's concerns and extrapolates them into a critical look at societal/social trends, and DGPFYCC is no exception. The protagonist has dependency and addiction issues.

As for "daddy," Bono once said in an interview that he might be either God or the devil in the context of the song. In Sydney, MacPhisto clearly loves to think he's in charge, but his "money" (which drops from the stage set) is valueless and counterfeit. So who's the real "daddy"? (See also MacPhisto's character arc -- yes, there is one -- during the five-song encore.)
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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2018, 03:35:00 AM »
I interpretered the song always as daddy is God, the singer is satan. The main vain of the song is 'you can do whatever you want, God'll pay if anything goes wrong', a wrong view of christianity. A bit like The Screwtapes letters by C.S. Lewis

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2018, 09:05:01 PM »
Bono has also said it’s about how Paul McGuinness would fix their messes sometimes. I figure it’s a combination of the west/USSR idea and how the band were being pampered. And neither song is about going after kids. Babyface is about the idea of porn being streamed. At the time it was from satellites. Saying it’s about kids is reading a bit too much into it.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2018, 12:43:18 AM »
I didn't think Daddy's Gonna Pay is pedophilic but babyface, slow down child let me untie your lace is imagery of an underage fixation.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2018, 08:10:09 AM »
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I didn't think Daddy's Gonna Pay is pedophilic but babyface, slow down child let me untie your lace is imagery of an underage fixation.

If Bono was talking about a literal child every time he said the word "child" in his songs... Maybe in Ultraviolet he's talking about an actual baby that lights his way?

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2018, 08:17:43 AM »
Not the same. Adults call each other baby; it's almost meaningless now. But child, that's different. Also it's not some one-off accident, the whole song paints a picture of a man looking at someone he perceives to be underage, and that fact is central to his obsession. Gross.

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2018, 08:46:56 AM »
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Not the same. Adults call each other baby; it's almost meaningless now. But child, that's different. Also it's not some one-off accident, the whole song paints a picture of a man looking at someone he perceives to be underage, and that fact is central to his obsession. Gross.
 

I thought Babyface was written in a period where they were hanging out with models.  Lots of very young beautiful models out there trying to become supermodels especially in that era, exposed to powerful men in the industry who would definitely try and wield sexual power over them.  Typical Bono to write lyrics inspired by those types of observations. 

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2018, 09:22:16 AM »
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Not the same. Adults call each other baby; it's almost meaningless now. But child, that's different. Also it's not some one-off accident, the whole song paints a picture of a man looking at someone he perceives to be underage, and that fact is central to his obsession. Gross.

That’s entirely what you’re putting on the song. Don’t declare it’s what the song is about because that’s what you feel about it. And again, if you’re going to complain about Bono’s use of the word “child”, you’re going to have a complaint about the entire Achtung Baby/Zooropa era, because he was using “child” all the time. Is it a bit infantilizing and paternalistic? Absolutely. Is it connotating underage sex? That’s a real stretch.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2018, 10:03:03 AM »
Actually it sounds like a photographer late at night developing  photos of a young model.  Maybe a bit of fantasizing going on as well.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2018, 10:08:46 AM »
I'm not intending to step on anybody's toes with regard to the song meaning.

That said, I don't think anyone will change my mind on Babyface.

We can agree to disagree, it's cool.

Back to Daddy, I am 20% of the way through The Screwtape Letters right now, and it sounds a lot like the voice was inspired by (certainly not identical to though) that book. I see there's plenty of room for different interpretations, left open on purpose, but I see even better than before that this is MacPhisto's song. The USSR stuff is also very interesting, though I haven't nearly wrapped my head around it.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2018, 11:53:14 AM »
"Daddy's Gonna Pay" is the one song from Zooropa that I always skip and have done so since the album's release.

I always thought "Babyface" was about Naomi Campbell who was Adam's fiance at the time. But who knows? I could be about anyone.

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Re: Daddy's gonna pay - it's gross, right? Any hope that it isn't?
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2018, 12:51:17 PM »
Y'all should remember there's not always one "correct" literal reading of a song.  Babyface is clearly exploring the psychology of lust and obsession via technology--the presentation of female beauty and sexuality as a commodity. It fits perfectly in with the overall themes on the album of postmodern confusion and alienation in a hyper-technical West (and to think this was before the internet changed everything!).  They really were prophetic (in more ways than one) in their prime...

Daddy's Gonna Pay is far more obtuse of a song.  It can be interpreted in many ways, as folks have discussed here, some playful, some pretty creepy.