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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2009, 07:31:14 PM »
Vertigo hit the culture pretty well, and IMO its nowhere near a classic. In fact, Magnificent blows Vertigo away. But so does the rest of NLOTH. So much better than the last 2 albums. IMO.

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2009, 11:54:17 PM »
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For me, the chorus of Magnificent is too cliche lyrically to raise it into classic status. Add in the out-of-place French disco elements (claps, bongos, synths), and it has no chance to compare to their classics. Actually, I think it's one of the worst songs on the album, which isn't to say it's a bad song 'cause the album is a great one.

NOT out of place French disco elements. The working title of the song was "French Disco". So obviously they were a part of the genesis of what became "Magnificent".

Indeed they were part of the genesis of the song. Despite that, they're still out of place because they don't fit in with the vocal, lyric, drum, and guitar . . . all IMHO of course.

Rhythmically/melodically or culturally?

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2009, 08:31:22 AM »
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I think if Magnificent would have been in let's say the WAR album then it would have been a classic. It sounds like it would have fit perfectly in the 80's. It's not a classic now. Sorry. U2's last classic was Beautiful Day. A classic has to be a song that enters into the culture and finds a spot there.

SO...I guess you're saying that the songs "WHO LET THE DOGS OUT" and "THE MACARENA" are classics then?!   ???

PRETTY LAUGHABLE, really.

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2009, 12:42:49 PM »
You can see what he means though; a song is remembered as a "classic" by mainstream audiences only if the music is indicitive of the time. For that reason I think Beautiful Day will generally be remembered as a classic, but I'm not sure if Magnificent will be. That's not to say Magnificent's inferior though.

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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2009, 03:15:12 PM »
I see what he means...it has merit. It's just not exactly accurate though. The mainstream public places a lot of emphasis on disposable and sensational songs. It's unfortunate that a song like "who let the dogs out" gets remembered. Even worse that "The Chicken Dance" is also considered Classic under this rational. Also Saline Dion's "My Heart Will Implode ...umm Go On".

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2009, 05:10:26 PM »
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For me, the chorus of Magnificent is too cliche lyrically to raise it into classic status. Add in the out-of-place French disco elements (claps, bongos, synths), and it has no chance to compare to their classics. Actually, I think it's one of the worst songs on the album, which isn't to say it's a bad song 'cause the album is a great one.

NOT out of place French disco elements. The working title of the song was "French Disco". So obviously they were a part of the genesis of what became "Magnificent".

Indeed they were part of the genesis of the song. Despite that, they're still out of place because they don't fit in with the vocal, lyric, drum, and guitar . . . all IMHO of course.

Rhythmically/melodically or culturally?

Hmm . . . for me rhythmically and I suppose culturally. The song would work much better with a more traditional Larry Mullen marching beat than what they decided to go with. Adam's bassline in excellent as is but gets lost too much under the weight of the tacked on disco elements. I say culturally too, though I don't know if that's really the right word for it, because I just find the synths and added on disco beats tacky, which undermines the lyrical theme. That's just my taste/bias. The actual notes done with the synths sound fine to me when it's Edge's guitar playing them live.

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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2009, 08:39:05 AM »
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I see what he means...it has merit. It's just not exactly accurate though. The mainstream public places a lot of emphasis on disposable and sensational songs. It's unfortunate that a song like "who let the dogs out" gets remembered. Even worse that "The Chicken Dance" is also considered Classic under this rational. Also Saline Dion's "My Heart Will Implode ...umm Go On"

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2009, 08:48:27 AM »
worst song on the album.  and my least favorite song since love rescue me.

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2009, 11:14:42 AM »
classic coke.  8)

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2009, 01:06:46 PM »
I think such debate is useless, what is classic or not will always be subjective. On the other hand i think we should ask ourselves what songs are relevant culturally/thematically that speak to us universally, and for that Magnificent reflects our time perfectly, imo, and it's a song in the mainstream, maybe it's not as catchy as Pride, but give it time, people will certainly return to this song in the future. Btw, Vertigo and COBL are another socially/culturally relevant songs, as i have already heard numerous references to these songs(melodies) in the media over the years.

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2009, 02:18:12 PM »
It's just too derivative to be a classic. 

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2009, 02:24:23 PM »
Classic:  something that withstands the test of time.

So, no, something like "Who Let the Dogs Out" or whatever is not a classic for goodness sakes....  People throw the word classic out so much.  I'll get back to you in 10-15 years.  Dark Side of the Moon?  Now, yes, classic. 

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2009, 04:06:20 PM »
I think for a classic it's at least got to do well in the pathetic excuse for a top 40 we have nowadays!
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Magnificent didn't trouble the charts much did it?

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2009, 05:36:39 AM »
Classic on first listen, vocals remind me of UTEOTW, guitar and propulsive beat like NYD.

U2 ought to try and open with Magnificent, any suggestions how...Edge comes out first, synth intro first, Bono a cappella first, anybody?

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Re: Magnificent is gonna be remembered as a classic
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2009, 06:24:15 AM »
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I think for a classic it's at least got to do well in the pathetic excuse for a top 40 we have nowadays!
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Magnificent didn't trouble the charts much did it?

'Desire' was U2's first #1, and yet it's hardly going to be remembered as a classic more than Streets, WOWY, I Will Follow, etc which preceded it.

Charts don't mean all that much to quality