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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by laoghaire on August 17, 2018, 10:29:49 AM »
Oh, for certain. My father has a Boston accent and it absolutely has a lot in common wolitu an Irish accent (and he is descended from Irish people).

Irish also contributed to some versions of our New York accent.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by Luzita on August 17, 2018, 08:49:27 AM »
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It also seems to me that Bono and Adam's accents have changed over time. In early interviews, the Irish in Bono's voice seems stronger to me than in recent interviews.  Maybe because he now lives in the U.S. part of the time? I've noticed his daughters sound almost American. Are Irish accents particularly vulnerable to being swallowed by American accents? And in Adam's case, though his accent is still English it seems to have a little more of something else in it now. Has he acquired a touch more Irish pronunciation?

I'd say it's inevitable that most people would find their accent changing a bit if they spent more time consistently in another place.

As regards the Irish accent being particularly vulnerable to being swallowed up by an American one - I'd argue that it may appear that way only because there's overlap between the two. I can definitely hear a similarity between the American accent and some Irish accents. This shouldn't be surprising given the amount of Irish people who left Ireland during and after the famine and made their way to the States. There's no way that amount of people didn't contribute to the developing American accent.

You make an excellent point. The Irish probably did contribute to the way American accents sound.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Guy Oseary
« Last post by Mr. Sarajevo 20 on August 17, 2018, 08:05:34 AM »
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like the sound was just too loud. I could barely understand most of the songs. I've seen arena and stadium shows by Paul McCartney and the sound is absolutely on point. It has enough volume to give you that rock concert experience, but every note is clear and and distinct. As much as I've enjoyed the U2 concerts I've attended (TJT30 and E&I), I know I missed out on a lot of the experience because the volume was just deafening. It would take a few days for the ringing to stop.
JT30 was not crazy loud...Popmart and 360 were much louder...even Zoo TV.

JT30 seemed reserved to me on the volume.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by laoghaire on August 17, 2018, 08:03:50 AM »
It strikes me that "Dublin, Ireland" has a really nice meter, it rolls off the tongue in a way "Los Angeles, California" doesn't quite. I don't think there's a lick of confusion over where Dublin is (and nobody outside of Ohio is thinking of Ohio). I wouldn't be surprised if performers sometimes said "Hello Houston, Texas!" even though there's no confusion over the location of Houston. Also, adding the larger location (Ireland, Texas, etc.) sounds even more inclusive, welcoming a whole area instead of just the city.

I have noticed Bono's y'alls and such, and it's cute but it doesn't pass for real American speech. I'm American and I can't pull off y'all either (though sometimes I say it - lived a few years in North Carolina). Just as we Americans mangle an Irish accent, the Irish can mangle an American accent. When they pretended to be the Dalton Brothers, Bono's accent was soooo laughably fake.

I would say he is successful with his American vocabulary, though. Very successful.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by miryclay on August 17, 2018, 06:45:36 AM »
It's actually Dublin, Ohio not Ontario. Many, many American muscians say 'Hello Cleveland' or usually wear a local sports Jersey. Pearl Jam notoriously do this and I find all it does is reveal their limited understanding of the place.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by daveyg on August 17, 2018, 12:27:41 AM »
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Edge has an Irish accent. You probably wouldn't be able to tell where in Ireland he'd be from, but you'd call him Irish if you didn't know the face. It certainly isn't a Welsh accent - THAT accent is very distinctive.

I realize Edge's accent is Irish, not Welsh. But I thought maybe the reason he sounds different from Larry (and Bono in earlier days) is because his family are Welsh immigrants.

Given all the accents in Ireland alone (and in Dublin), Edge has a generic Irish accent. I guess  if you're comparing it to Adam's posh English accent, Larry's strong northside Dublin accent, and Bono's mish mash kinda Irish accent, Edge's accent would sound softer or milder.

Incidentally, my father had the strongest Welsh accent, and my mother had a strong Wicklow accent. Born and raised in Dublin myself, I (thankfully!! lol) never picked either accent up. I've been told I've a slight d4 accent, but not sure. Definitely NOT Welsh or Wicklow (or "Wicklaaaaaa")  accent.

Edit: Bono uses American words in interviews and songs like "cellphone" and "highway" , which he's never use in a million years in Ireland. I don't think anyone thinks he has an American accent by any stretch of the imagination, but (well certainly to an Irish ear) he certainly has a bit of an American twang. And the whole JT to ZooTV period was scattered with lots of "y'all", and "we're from Dublin, Irreeeland".

Which always interested me with musicians. American musicians come and play in Dublin and say "Hello Dublin, Ireland", as if people in Dublin at their gig didn't know which Dublin they were in? Or Irish musicians going to the US stating they're from Dublin, Ireland, as if the fact their accents didn't give them away. Maybe people think U2 were from Dublin Ontario. lol Anyway, never quite get my head around why the full "Dublin, Ireland" had to be used
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by kinsella on August 16, 2018, 10:14:39 PM »
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It also seems to me that Bono and Adam's accents have changed over time. In early interviews, the Irish in Bono's voice seems stronger to me than in recent interviews.  Maybe because he now lives in the U.S. part of the time? I've noticed his daughters sound almost American. Are Irish accents particularly vulnerable to being swallowed by American accents? And in Adam's case, though his accent is still English it seems to have a little more of something else in it now. Has he acquired a touch more Irish pronunciation?

I'd say it's inevitable that most people would find their accent changing a bit if they spent more time consistently in another place.

As regards the Irish accent being particularly vulnerable to being swallowed up by an American one - I'd argue that it may appear that way only because there's overlap between the two. I can definitely hear a similarity between the American accent and some Irish accents. This shouldn't be surprising given the amount of Irish people who left Ireland during and after the famine and made their way to the States. There's no way that amount of people didn't contribute to the developing American accent.
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Tours / Re: What do you think the next tour will be like?
« Last post by LToy on August 16, 2018, 08:50:52 PM »
Iím no prognosticator but it seems a logical assumption for what we might see on the next tour, whenever that happens, is more virtual reality. U2 will be the same band that concert goers have experienced for the last 18 years; the question now becomes what can this band do to ENHANCE the audience experience? This is the same issue professional & amateur sports leagues have been dealing with since the start of the new millennium. Given that sports have had to compete with the rise of technology & other forms of entertainment, sports leagues have been competing for the consumerís dollars & attention. Itís no different with the concert industry so my guess is more VR, or the next major technological breakthrough that really captures the audiences attention.
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General Music Discussion / Re: Aretha Franklin
« Last post by shineinthesummernight on August 16, 2018, 08:28:01 PM »
Obama is so eloquent.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2's Irish Accents -- or Lack Thereof
« Last post by shineinthesummernight on August 16, 2018, 08:27:03 PM »
I agree with you on all counts, Luzita.  Larry still retains more of the Irish than the rest of them.  He seems the more traditional Irishman in character and speech.  Bono, alas, has become a man of the world.
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