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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Unknown Caller: The Ohs, and Act 1
« Last post by Tortuga on August 15, 2018, 05:09:32 PM »
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Chip: Yes, I will watch the Rose Bowl performance later today, thank you. It's fascinating to me how understanding a U2 song often depends on a live performance of it. Many songs have clicked for me that way, not necessarily just in terms of liking them but actually understanding them. Best example for me is Stuck, which I liked on the album but didn't understand (and saw nothing worth grappling with - just a catchy little tune) until I saw the Letterman performance and understood it.

Tortuga: Do you see the MOS/UC events as completely chronological or is there a recounting of memory? In UC does he wake up in bliss and THEN get the call, or does he wake up in bliss and REMEMBER the call that happened previously?

As for overthinking things, I am definitely aware of that and keep it in mind and it probably drives people crazy but I often (sometimes it takes a long time) get the satisfaction of having my question resolved for me. See my personal tagline under my avatar. I'm aware of it :)

I think that part of my personality is 40% of why I follow U2 (hmm, maybe 42%... I'm just kidding). Whether it's actually there or not I find enough layers of meaning to be satisfied.

Will report back later after Rose Bowl.

I think heís remembering.


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Tours / Re: What do you think the next tour will be like?
« Last post by singnomore on August 15, 2018, 03:36:57 PM »
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I'm not sure there will be another formal tour

Really,? Iím more shocked an admin is saying this. I think the next forma tour could be the last, but to me there is 0% chance of it not happening.

Iím a U2 as well as admin on here but just my view. Iím not convinced they guys want to go on forever thatís all. May be wrong but they will disappear for a while after this tour.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Summer Of Love Remixes?
« Last post by miryclay on August 15, 2018, 03:13:46 PM »
Check U2songs
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You have Dublin 93 back now right? There's a high quality audio on YouTube.
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Tours / Re: What do you think the next tour will be like?
« Last post by laoghaire on August 15, 2018, 02:15:10 PM »
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I'm not sure there will be another formal tour

Really,? Iím more shocked an admin is saying this. I think the next forma tour could be the last, but to me there is 0% chance of it not happening.

There is no artist for whom the next tour has a 0% chance of not happening.
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Tours / Re: What do you think the next tour will be like?
« Last post by 64ac30 on August 15, 2018, 01:47:06 PM »
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I'm not sure there will be another formal tour

Really,? Iím more shocked an admin is saying this. I think the next forma tour could be the last, but to me there is 0% chance of it not happening.
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Tours / Re: **SPOILERS** General audience emotional high point on E&I tour
« Last post by scott7 on August 15, 2018, 11:07:46 AM »
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I really hope the Europe leg of the tour has a major shake up in the set list.

Ditch all the ďLove/Hate AmericaĒ songs (SATS, Pride, GOOYOW, American Soul) and the rehash section of Cedarwood Road-SBSunday needs to go.

The encore needs a punch as well. Other than Acrobat, a lot of this set is really uninspired.
A few things I would do...
*new acoustic song to replace SATS (do something interesting here we havenít heard(.
*bring in Ultra-Violet instead of Beautiful Day
*WGRY Wild Horses needs to be permanent!
*I would bring back Streets (never mind all of this it wonít fit the theme of the show nonsense)
*Ditch All Because of You for good.
*City of Blinding Lights is not nearly good enough to keep returning to the sets every other tour.

What about this for a set;

Love Is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights Of Home
Ultra-Violet (Light My Way)
I Will Follow
The Electric Co.
Gloria
Red Flag Day
The Unforgettable Fire
Until The End Of The World

(Intermission)

Zoo Station
Vertigo
Desire
Acrobat
Youíre The Best Thing About Me
Please (acoustic)
A Sort Of Homecoming
Bad
Where The Streets Have No Name
The Little Things That Give You Away

(Encore)
Whoís Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses?
Landlady
One
Every Breaking Wave
Love Is Bigger Than Anything In Itís Way
superb set and there is no earthly reason ASOH shouldn't be in every set they ever do :)
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Unknown Caller: The Ohs, and Act 1
« Last post by laoghaire on August 15, 2018, 08:24:54 AM »
Chip: Yes, I will watch the Rose Bowl performance later today, thank you. It's fascinating to me how understanding a U2 song often depends on a live performance of it. Many songs have clicked for me that way, not necessarily just in terms of liking them but actually understanding them. Best example for me is Stuck, which I liked on the album but didn't understand (and saw nothing worth grappling with - just a catchy little tune) until I saw the Letterman performance and understood it.

Tortuga: Do you see the MOS/UC events as completely chronological or is there a recounting of memory? In UC does he wake up in bliss and THEN get the call, or does he wake up in bliss and REMEMBER the call that happened previously?

As for overthinking things, I am definitely aware of that and keep it in mind and it probably drives people crazy but I often (sometimes it takes a long time) get the satisfaction of having my question resolved for me. See my personal tagline under my avatar. I'm aware of it :)

I think that part of my personality is 40% of why I follow U2 (hmm, maybe 42%... I'm just kidding). Whether it's actually there or not I find enough layers of meaning to be satisfied.

Will report back later after Rose Bowl.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Gonna dive into NLOTH - any pointers?
« Last post by Tortuga on August 15, 2018, 06:54:25 AM »
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My musical acumen is quite limited, but from what I have gleaned over the years based on the type of music that U2 has produced with different producers I would have to agree. I get a sense that U2 are pushed in a direction that leads to much more interesting work than when they aren't with him. The conventional tunes wear a little thin on me and I feel like Bono and the Edge get a little too cute with them sometimes, whereas Eno leads them down a path where they are navigating some unique soundscapes and exploring some very different ideas as a result.

I suppose different people like different things but the Eno/Lanois albums are my favorites by far.  The funny thing is it seems like the lyrics are better.  To the point that I wonder if Eno is talking him out of lines like:

There is a light donít let it go out
A baby cries on a doorstep
You were talking at me not to me

I know, I know UC lyrics, right?  But those are just artistically questionable.  What I donít like is the cliche lines.  They make me think of Dr. Phil or something.


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General U2 Discussion / Re: Guy Oseary
« Last post by Tortuga on August 15, 2018, 06:45:41 AM »
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Crappy sound?
Sounded fine to me.

Since it came up, crappy sound is a big reason I donít go to as many arena shows as I used to.  For the life of me, I have never understood why rock concerts are so loud it literally distorts your ear drum.  Edge carries 100s of guitars and gear so the tone is ďjust rightĒ?  Please, the sound where I was sitting at EI was one of the worst Iíve experienced.  I donít know if it was because I was behind the stage or there was a problem but everyone I was with said the same thing as soon as it was over.  There were specific times when it would really go south and we would all just exchange WTH looks.  No way in hell I could tell a Les Paul from a strat in that environment.  I think its a disgrace to pay $140 for a ticket and get that kind of sound.  Quit obsessing on video walls and augmented reality and just play a good show with good sound.  Its a rock concert not a theme park ride.


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I've never experienced bad or crappy sound at any of the shows I have been to. I have been using musician ear plugs since 2005 which reduces the sound level by 25 decibels and does improve sound quality a bit. But even before that, things generally always sounded good to me regardless of artist or type of concert venue. But I also realize that concerts are different from listening to a studio album on your head phones. The artist often will also change things in a live setting both in terms of music played and the sound production. Its a rock concert where things are more about energy, passion, having fun, than musical precision or perfection. Its not the opera, a classical music concert, or a recording studio. Plus the audience will add a lot which can from time to time block out some of the more subtle things going on musically.

Yeah, I get that its not a Norah Jones concert.  I also wear earplugs.  The venues hand them out (not musicians ones though.). That should tell the rock bands something right there.  Its supposed to be loud but not THAT loud.  Hereís the evidence.  I listen to a youtube video of the same show I went to and its clear.  That tells me the sound was not distorted coming from the PA.  The camera mic and input limiter had the dynamic range to handle it.  My ears did not.  Maybe my ears are damaged but that would be from years of loud rock music.  I also think there was a locaized problem where I was sitting at this particular U2 show.
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