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Title: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: Vox on September 07, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
First off, I'd like to give my thanks to M2, all the forum moderators, news contributors, lyric decipherers, etcetera, etcetera, for making this the PREMIER U2 website.  Much better than the official U2 website, in my opinion.  I've gone to @U2 as my first place for U2 news and discussion since, hmmmm..... the early 00's, myself.  Many thoughtful articles, opinions, and the forum is always a great place to connect to other people who like U2.  Because for me, everyday people in my life don't want to talk about U2 like I do.  Especially my wife....  She's had enough U2 talk for the past 15 years...  And my friends all think U2 are horrendous (dirty, hipsters).  I always thought my passion for U2 was abnormal.  Probably is, but like any addiction or affliction, it's good to go where the people are like you.   They dig it the most.

I feel that we, as forum participants, don't give M2 or moderators the props they deserve.  We're like bad houseguests who trample in with muddy foot, drink all the beer in the fridge, and pi*s all around the toilet bowl without so much of a "thanks for having me over." 

I just really admire this website -- what M2 has built and sustained for, what, nearly two decades?  I feel ashamed that, for whatever reason, M2 had to step away from this forum.  I'd love to hear his input on this new phase of U2, especially since the "weekly Off the Records" are now "sometimes Off the Records." 

There's so much dissent and senseless arguments in the world.  If we're on this website, it's presumably because we're fairly avid U2 fans.  If U2 fans can't treat each other with respect, following a band whose moderus operandi is bringing people with differences together, then it's a bit of a sad thing.  Personally, I love the U2 of Achtung Baby and Pop much more than then U2 of All That You Can't Leave Behind or How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb.  But I can still respect those people who like those other albums the best.  Who am I to say my version of U2 is better than theirs?  Earlier this week in the forum I saw somebody disparage somebody who liked Taylor Swift by saying since that person liked Taylor Swift, their musical opinion was invalid.  Really?  My Dad likes country music and played in country music bands.  Is his opinion of music to be dismissed, because I can't stand country music?  No -- he knows more about music in one hand than I know in my entire body.  Because he likes country music, his musical opinion isn't invalid.  That's f****** ridiculous.  When people argue like that on here, it makes whatever else they may say ridiculously invalid.  We all have our own opinions and like our own things.  But discussion can be respectful and adult and sincere.  Even though we can't see each other, doesn't mean that we're not there. 

I usually don't say thank you enough to people who do nice things.  So thank you M2.  Thank you to the @U2 staff.  I hope you know how great it is for me to have an outlet such as this.  This is such a good thing, and it means a lot to a lot of people.  Though I'm sure it ain't easy at times.  I appreciate it greatly, even if I may have leave behind a bit of a sticky floor afterwards, myself.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: riffraff on September 08, 2017, 05:20:19 AM
Excellent post. Agreed.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: aviastar on September 08, 2017, 05:23:10 AM
I love the updates, news articles, and podcasts.  Good stuff.  This is my go-to.  My hub for U2 info.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: miryclay on September 08, 2017, 06:00:20 AM
Yup great work lately. Keep it it up team.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on September 08, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: singnomore on September 08, 2017, 01:01:22 PM
Really appreciate that
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: tigerfan41 on September 08, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Totally agree. We appreciate all the hard work you guys do!  :)
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 08, 2017, 11:08:43 PM
Thanks for doing a hard job with panache.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: briscoetheque on September 09, 2017, 03:26:06 AM
Careful guys, commenting on moderators is frowned upon...
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: riffraff on September 09, 2017, 05:00:08 AM
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Careful guys, commenting on moderators is frowned upon...
;D
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: lorijane on September 09, 2017, 06:45:50 AM
I was just thinking yesterday about how atU2 led to me getting to know, in real life and virtually, some of the nicest people. I first started lurking here for information, started posting a little, connected with like minded posters, got to know them better through the lounge, then met them for reals and have gone to multiple show with some of them. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I think the friendly and respectful vibe of this place helped.

So I will echo the thanks expressed to m2 and the mods. Well done!
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: il_capo on September 14, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
This seems to be the thread in which to show appreciation to the mod team here, so thanks to vox for starting this off.  I think we have a great team of hard-working and dedicated mods and I say thanks to all of you.  I will add that I was also a big fan of m2 and much saddened when he decided to take time out to focus on other things.  I hope he is well and happy and that he will return to moderating at some time in the future if he finds the will and the time.  He was top draw – always great at sending PMs to advise users on their behaviour and taking a light touch but effective approach to moderating.
 
I join in the others here in giving my kudos to the @u2 mod team for their hard work in keeping the community running smoothly.  They are personable and approachable people.  Special words in particular to Hawkmoon who has even taken the time and trouble to write to me personally and tell me about his U2 concert experiences, which made me feel very much valued as a member of this community.
 
I am glad that the mods are considering how to take things forward from here on in because as much as I think this is a smooth running forum there is always scope for improvement in any organisation.  For what my opinions are worth I think that the strict approach taken to political debates was both necessary and effective in massively improving the tone and atmosphere of the forum.  I didn’t enjoy coming here a year ago but once people stopped using threads to debate the merits of any particular politician or creed I felt much better here.  However, I think now would be a good time to attempt a slightly less severe form of dealing with posts that fall foul of other guidelines.  I would very much like long-term users to receive advice and warnings when they say or do the wrong thing because I think we’re pretty much all middle-aged people here, open to reason and discussion.  Personally I would feel much more comfortable here if I didn’t have to perpetually worry that if I say the “wrong” thing  I could get a perm ban for it.  I know that other friends here are worried about speaking on threads for fear of making a mistake and being punished with a perm ban.  I am uneasy seeing active and well-intentioned members of the community who have posted hundreds and thousands of times receiving permanent bans when there are much less severe and arguably more effective ways to resolve the problem.   
 
I do appreciate the work involved for an already over-stretched mod-team in PM-ing and talking to users who breach the guidelines but I think it’d be great for the health of the community if this was to be the approach taken in future.  In the meantime a slightly less arduous form of moderating would be to delete offensive posts to ensure good tone in the threads.  I was saddened to see my friend, an tha’s, thread shut down due to a post that fell foul of the rules and felt it would have been better for the community if the thread had been kept open but the offending post removed by a mod. 
 
The forum is a happier place for me than it was 12 months ago due to a very effective moderation policy regarding political commentary – thanks again mods!  Now I think there is scope to allow for the long-term members of this community to speak with a greater sense of freedom, and yes be allowed to make the odd inadvertent mistake, without fear of permanent exclusion from the community.  If that doesn’t work out a stricter approach can always be adopted again.  The guiding principle should be that a community is only as good as the people within it, and when we lose people from the community when maybe it could be avoided, we only succeed in making ourselves poorer.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: riffraff on September 14, 2017, 12:39:17 PM
Very well said, il_capo. I must admit, from a personal point of view, that I am one of those who is a bit nervous about posting much anymore...it's often difficult to know what is "right" or "wrong" in the eyes of our hard-working mods. I haven't been posting much at all lately, for fear of losing my spot on the forum. Even writing this is making me nervous. Yep, I'm done...see ya!


Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on September 14, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
Well, here we are again. So first of all, il_capo, I again appreciate your words - whether they’re words of praise, or words of constructive criticism. Your approach has been great.

So let’s get down to it…

I’ve been called a straight shooter by a few members (an tha being one of them). So here’s me shooting straight:

Some of you need to stop acting like freaking martyrs. You lost someone you liked and respected, and now you’re upset about it. You might also be wondering: “If I’m that outspoken, that challenging, that much of a pain in the ar*e, will I get banned, too?” And my answer isn’t an easy “yes” or “no” across the board. It all depends on your history and approach with the forum and moderation team.

Riffraff, you said yesterday that you really don’t understand why. I know you removed that post, but nevertheless, if you really don’t understand why, at this point, then you’re not paying attention.

In the last two days, the  mods have been called “too heavy handed,” and also “not heavy handed enough.” Well, I’d say we're in quite the quagmire.

It’s also apparent that many miss m2, and his light touch with moderation. Well, as much as I didn’t want to get into specifics, one of the last things m2 did before he left was to warn an tha that he needed to change his approach, or he'd be banned for good. Approach is the key word here. An tha’s approach was only nice when he needed something, but when he was told that we didn’t agree with his assessment, then he always got challenging and nasty. (And only a bit of this is for public view.) But I can count in hours the amount of time we’ve spent on an tha, and dealing with his need to make the forum the way he wanted it to be. So for every member asking "why?", there are plenty more asking "why do you put up with certain members for so long?"

So in short, get over it, or go somewhere else. (I actually learne that line from m2.)

There are more changes coming…

All we want is for members to discuss U2 in an honest and respectful way. Closing the RW section helped that for a short time, but now we see the same crap in other sections. If this doesn’t apply to you, then thank you. But if it does, then we might have a problem. However, we’re not going to just sit here and do nothing.

I’m going to leave this thread open, and yes, I want to hear from you. But please consider a few things:

a.   None of you have all the info on what we call “destructive actions” on the forum.
b.   We don’t warn people in a harsh way when they put stuff in the wrong section. (Someone accused us of that in another thread.)
c.   We put the “Don’t be a d**k” rule in a while ago, and it seems that a lot of members don’t know what that means. d**k means: Ungreatful, a sense of entitlement and really just an ar*e.

So let’s put this to bed and move on.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: JTNash on September 14, 2017, 07:39:13 PM
And I might add this is volunteer you have people taking time away from their family to make sure things go smooth.  Just try to be a decent person it all you do, you are not likely to have problems
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: ian ryan on September 14, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
Just a few things to follow on what Hawkmoon2e has to say:

An Tha was not banned for a single thing. He was banned for an entire history of things. Unless it’s atrocious or being a real d**k, a single thing won’t get you banned.

This is EVERYONE’S forum, not YOUR forum, or any other individual’s forum. We share this place, which means we must make it useful to all who want to participate. We have no obligation to a single person’s idea of what they want to do here for themselves. If anyone who is a U2 fan wants to constructively engage with other fans, this place should be welcoming to that person.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: briscoetheque on September 15, 2017, 12:00:21 AM
It's my forum.

You're all just visiting.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: ian ryan on September 15, 2017, 12:14:21 AM
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It's my forum.

You're all just visiting.

And we've been waiting for you to pay the hosting bill, misterbriscer. 😭$
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: ShankAsu on September 15, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
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It's my forum.

You're all just visiting.
hahaha
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 16, 2017, 12:05:17 AM
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It's my forum.

You're all just visiting.

I wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: K2 on October 20, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
Good night and good bye - thanks for everything! Thank you Hawk. I'll miss you guys.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: radiofreenewport on December 02, 2017, 05:50:03 AM
Thanks for reopening the forums. I'm a longtime lurker who rarely posts, and I missed coming here several times a week to see what fellow fans were thinking. I've moderated forums and listservs before and know what a total pain in the ass it can be. Just wanted you to hear from a stranger and lifelong U2 fan, going back to the early 80s, that I appreciate your work. Cheers!
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: singnomore on December 02, 2017, 08:57:35 AM
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Thanks for reopening the forums. I'm a longtime lurker who rarely posts, and I missed coming here several times a week to see what fellow fans were thinking. I've moderated forums and listservs before and know what a total pain in the ass it can be. Just wanted you to hear from a stranger and lifelong U2 fan, going back to the early 80s, that I appreciate your work. Cheers!


Thanks for the note  - we are glad to be back too! Much appreciated
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: HolyHandGrenade on December 02, 2017, 04:58:14 PM
Personally I think this saga has been a slap in the face to the thousands among the silent majority that wanted to come to @U2 during one of the most important months of recent years for fans and the band. The worst possible timing. And while I am a huge proponent of deferential phrasing and subjectivity in music discussion, antagonistic posts really should have no impact on your personal opinions. They still may make you feel bad for having those opinions, but that's what (temporary) bans are for. I have never experienced a forum shutdown like this before, because there are other rational avenues (1) thick skin (2) bans (3) a shutdown shorter than a MONTH that still gets the message across, etc...

Listen, mods serve the community - the forum is the platform. When the forum is populated by the very active minority (making them more of a majority), sure, address them more directly. But when the silent majority counts on the platform during critical months/weeks to connect to the community, leave the town gates open. Zootopia is vastly inferior, by the way.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: ian ryan on December 02, 2017, 08:47:49 PM
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Listen, mods serve the community - the forum is the platform. When the forum is populated by the very active minority (making them more of a majority), sure, address them more directly. But when the silent majority counts on the platform during critical months/weeks to connect to the community, leave the town gates open. Zootopia is vastly inferior, by the way.

So we're supposed to serve a "silent majority" who don't participate in conversations and who don't contribute to the forums? The forums are just supposed to exist for you to dip silently in to and out of? I have no problems with people who want to just come and check things out; that is absolutely a function of the forums. But don't become vocal when it disappears if you were silent while it was here. This is not a one-way street, so don't make demands if you don't want to contribute. The forums are a conversation, and that requires both give and take.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: HolyHandGrenade on December 03, 2017, 02:26:25 AM
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Listen, mods serve the community - the forum is the platform. When the forum is populated by the very active minority (making them more of a majority), sure, address them more directly. But when the silent majority counts on the platform during critical months/weeks to connect to the community, leave the town gates open. Zootopia is vastly inferior, by the way.

So we're supposed to serve a "silent majority" who don't participate in conversations and who don't contribute to the forums? The forums are just supposed to exist for you to dip silently in to and out of? I have no problems with people who want to just come and check things out; that is absolutely a function of the forums. But don't become vocal when it disappears if you were silent while it was here. This is not a one-way street, so don't make demands if you don't want to contribute. The forums are a conversation, and that requires both give and take.

Forums serve more functions than simply engaging in discussion (which, granted is the means to the others), surely you know that. It's often a more thorough way to disseminate information, a more in depth medium for coverage of events than tweets, etc... I don't know why you're being so dismissive of the experience of many users here. Not all of us are up for small talk in the frenzied periods, much less the lull periods. If you haven't noticed I have over 100 posts, and it's BS to draw a line in the sand in terms of a level of activity deserving one status or another. Even those with thousands of posts I'm sure are not always active - this is especially true when you split time between multiple band forums. Do we have to be in-the-know 24/7, every day of every year trying to stay up to date with the culture and dynamic of the forum to be privileged to the advance knowledge that this avenue will be closed? If you want to use 99% of users, including the active users that were NOT inflammatory, as a punching bag for the 1%, don't victim blame the 99% or the 95% below the top 5% in activity. I think your statement here really discredits the value of your own beloved forum. My intake of U2 discourse has been anemic for the past month, because reddit, @U2 articles, and god-forsaken twitter don't always cut it. This is a vital arm of @U2, not a club.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: codeguy on December 03, 2017, 03:45:33 PM
Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: bonorules on December 03, 2017, 05:20:40 PM
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Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous

The only reason an tha is on his best behavior on the other site is because he is finally getting his way and is the big man in charge. He's surrounded by his cronies who mostly think the same way he does about U2, doesn't have to worry about us pesky positive thinking fans and he is loving it.

Also, do you use the same user name over there as here? If so, it's real rich that you come over here and sort attack the mods after your little speech yesterday on the other site about having respect for here and there.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 03, 2017, 05:38:01 PM
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Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous

The only reason an tha is on his best behavior on the other site is because he is finally getting his way and is the big man in charge. He's surrounded by his cronies who mostly think the same way he does about U2, doesn't have to worry about us pesky positive thinking fans and he is loving it.

Also, do you use the same user name over there as here? If so, it's real rich that you come over here and sort attack the mods after your little speech yesterday on the other site about having respect for here and there.

Actually, you're incorrect, but thanks for assuming things.  8) An Tha did not start the other site and is not the "big man" in charge. He's also not "surrounded by cronies", either. I own the site, I host the site and I started the other site (to provide a place for people temporarily and perhaps permanently, at the time) and staffed it with several different people who all are in varying degrees of U2 fandom and who all have different political/musical opinions. I wanted the staff to represent as many aspects of the U2 fanbase as possible. I happen to be a huge fan of the band (much bigger than An Tha) and love the new album. Yet I'm totally fine with people coming on there, debating the music as they feel, even if I don't always agree with what they're saying. The name of the game is respect and so long as debate is respectful, we allow it.

We do have respect for this place and its administration because we appreciate how difficult it is to run a site. We did not start the other place out of spite or to let "troublemakers" get their way. We did it because we knew people would miss having a forum to talk on for however long @u2 would be offline for. We are glad to see @u2 back online and do wish the best. Fans will choose where they feel more comfortable at and that's fine. Ultimately it's the fans/forum members who make a forum a community, so we do our best to cater to them, just as I'm sure @u2 does.

I won't speak for codeguy since he's got his right to say how he feels, but I can say that even if his post appears "disrespectful" or "rich" to you, we truly do (as a staff) have the upmost respect for @u2. It's the forum that brought all of us together, after all, and again, we wish the best for @u2.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: codeguy on December 03, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
I don’t think I am attacking the mods at all. I have nothing but respect for them - this is a voluntary thing and people deserve respect. I just think the overly restrictive modding has created an atmosphere that lacks free speech and doesn’t treat members as adults. No disrespect intended
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: bonorules on December 03, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
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I don’t think I am attacking the mods at all. I have nothing but respect for them - this is a voluntary thing and people deserve respect. I just think the overly restrictive modding has created an atmosphere that lacks free speech and doesn’t treat members as adults. No disrespect intended

So insulting them in regards to how they choose to moderate their website is respectful for you? Showing respect would have been not saying anything at all, letting it go and sticking to running your own site. Instead, you came over here and took the opportunity to get one more dig in about how you disagree with the way they run their site.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: bonorules on December 03, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
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Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous

The only reason an tha is on his best behavior on the other site is because he is finally getting his way and is the big man in charge. He's surrounded by his cronies who mostly think the same way he does about U2, doesn't have to worry about us pesky positive thinking fans and he is loving it.

Also, do you use the same user name over there as here? If so, it's real rich that you come over here and sort attack the mods after your little speech yesterday on the other site about having respect for here and there.

Actually, you're incorrect, but thanks for assuming things.  8) An Tha did not start the other site and is not the "big man" in charge. He's also not "surrounded by cronies", either. I own the site, I host the site and I started the other site (to provide a place for people temporarily and perhaps permanently, at the time) and staffed it with several different people who all are in varying degrees of U2 fandom and who all have different political/musical opinions. I wanted the staff to represent as many aspects of the U2 fanbase as possible. I happen to be a huge fan of the band (much bigger than An Tha) and love the new album. Yet I'm totally fine with people coming on there, debating the music as they feel, even if I don't always agree with what they're saying. The name of the game is respect and so long as debate is respectful, we allow it.

We do have respect for this place and its administration because we appreciate how difficult it is to run a site. We did not start the other place out of spite or to let "troublemakers" get their way. We did it because we knew people would miss having a forum to talk on for however long @u2 would be offline for. We are glad to see @u2 back online and do wish the best. Fans will choose where they feel more comfortable at and that's fine. Ultimately it's the fans/forum members who make a forum a community, so we do our best to cater to them, just as I'm sure @u2 does.

I won't speak for codeguy since he's got his right to say how he feels, but I can say that even if his post appears "disrespectful" or "rich" to you, we truly do (as a staff) have the upmost respect for @u2. It's the forum that brought all of us together, after all, and again, we wish the best for @u2.

I lurk over at your site, so I've read the posts and know what is going on over there. From what has been said when he was banned here, an tha wanted very much to be a mod so he could mold this site to what he wanted it to be and was apparently rather upset when he was denied. You gave him the moderator opportunity he wanted and we'll see how that goes. Hope it all goes well for you, but I still feel that he is only on his best behavior because he is finally getting things his way. I actually feel you have a few members that are like that. Your regular posters are all getting along, because most have similar thoughts about current U2 and there are no buttons to push or people to fight with. Even your former Interference member has toned it down a little, because he doesn't have anyone to fight with.

Again, I hope it goes well for you over there, but it's not really respectful to come over here and get digs in on how this moderator team runs their site. You go do your thing and let them do theirs.
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 03, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
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Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous

The only reason an tha is on his best behavior on the other site is because he is finally getting his way and is the big man in charge. He's surrounded by his cronies who mostly think the same way he does about U2, doesn't have to worry about us pesky positive thinking fans and he is loving it.

Also, do you use the same user name over there as here? If so, it's real rich that you come over here and sort attack the mods after your little speech yesterday on the other site about having respect for here and there.

Actually, you're incorrect, but thanks for assuming things.  8) An Tha did not start the other site and is not the "big man" in charge. He's also not "surrounded by cronies", either. I own the site, I host the site and I started the other site (to provide a place for people temporarily and perhaps permanently, at the time) and staffed it with several different people who all are in varying degrees of U2 fandom and who all have different political/musical opinions. I wanted the staff to represent as many aspects of the U2 fanbase as possible. I happen to be a huge fan of the band (much bigger than An Tha) and love the new album. Yet I'm totally fine with people coming on there, debating the music as they feel, even if I don't always agree with what they're saying. The name of the game is respect and so long as debate is respectful, we allow it.

We do have respect for this place and its administration because we appreciate how difficult it is to run a site. We did not start the other place out of spite or to let "troublemakers" get their way. We did it because we knew people would miss having a forum to talk on for however long @u2 would be offline for. We are glad to see @u2 back online and do wish the best. Fans will choose where they feel more comfortable at and that's fine. Ultimately it's the fans/forum members who make a forum a community, so we do our best to cater to them, just as I'm sure @u2 does.

I won't speak for codeguy since he's got his right to say how he feels, but I can say that even if his post appears "disrespectful" or "rich" to you, we truly do (as a staff) have the upmost respect for @u2. It's the forum that brought all of us together, after all, and again, we wish the best for @u2.

I lurk over at your site, so I've read the posts and know what is going on over there. From what has been said when he was banned here, an tha wanted very much to be a mod so he could mold this site to what he wanted it to be and was apparently rather upset when he was denied. You gave him the moderator opportunity he wanted and we'll see how that goes. Hope it all goes well for you, but I still feel that he is only on his best behavior because he is finally getting things his way. I actually feel you have a few members that are like that. Your regular posters are all getting along, because most have similar thoughts about current U2 and there are no buttons to push or people to fight with. Even your former Interference member has toned it down a little, because he doesn't have anyone to fight with.

Again, I hope it goes well for you over there, but it's not really respectful to come over here and get digs in on how this moderator team runs their site. You go do your thing and let them do theirs.

I didn't come in here and say a thing until you made your post assuming things you do not have any idea about. You assume that An Tha is the problem and that he dictates things. He isn't and he doesn't. You don't see the behind the scenes happenings (at our forum) and you don't know the full story of why An Tha was banned here. I won't tell that story because it is between An Tha and the administration here, but suffice to say there's more to it than meets the eye.

This idea that An Tha is some sort of authoritarian who only wants to get his way or is only "behaving" because he "gets his way"? It's completely misguided. You are judging someone you don't know based on what you think was the reason for his banning and someone who never once asked to be an admin on our site. He was made an admin because of his musical knowledge and overall even leveledness.

And you know what? He's worked his butt off to be a fair moderator and to understand the needs of the members. We have a policy on our forums to not ban unless it's an absolute last resort and to date, we have yet to ban a single person. We allow respectful debate and you know what else? Even when we disagree with each other, we don't personally attack one another and we've yet to have any issues. Even with heated political debate. Which is proof that when you treat the members with respect, they respond with respect for one another.

I would hope that @u2's break has been productive for the mod team and has given them the breather they clearly needed. I would also hope that for this place's sake, the members are happier with the rules of the place and that everyone gets along without the necessity for bans or people fearing being banned for saying the wrong thing.

If @u2 wants to create a place where the only thing tolerated is positivity concerning the band's music/things in general, then that's their choice and the members will need to adhere to that. We view it differently and instead prefer an open forum where positivity and negativity is allowed so long as there's no personal attacks.

That's all I'll say, no more posts on this thread publicly but feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss further. Again, speaking for our site as a whole, we wish the best for @u2. I can't control what individual members from our site post on here and wouldn't dream to as that's their right, just as @u2 can't control people who come to our forum and post about @u2 being back online.  :)
Title: Re: Kudos to M2 and the People Who Make This Website/Forum Go
Post by: singnomore on December 03, 2017, 08:10:56 PM
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Well good for you. An Tha, at his new home, is deferential and diffuses situations with
Grace. So I have to ask the question, was it really all on him? In my humble opinion, and I appreciate that it is just one opinion and mine is no better than anyone else’s, the mods here created their own problem. You responded to U2 doing something extremely political by asking it’s fans to refrain from political conversation. This is the band of “f*** the revolution.” This is the band of “Sunday, Bloody Sunday” white flags  and p**** marches. If someone is too offended to hear that stuff, then don’t listen to POP, AB or WAR - they’ll really pi*s you off!

I experienced the heavy-handedness of the mods here with two temp bans for absolutely nothing. Matt once told me that if I don’t have something positive to say, don’t post. Really? So this forum will be sunshine lollipops and rainbows? Not truth?  The mods have a lesson to learn here. Of course, a personal attack is always wrong, but there is a balance to be had that needs to be restored here before I consider returning on a regular basis. To do this right at the launch of a new album was a complete punch on the face to all of us who have loved this forum for many years. Thanks for the memories - I appreciate the history I have had on this forum - but I will not pay the price of silence. Those of you who know me know where you can reach me. Go ahead and ban me, im sure itll make you feel all righteous

The only reason an tha is on his best behavior on the other site is because he is finally getting his way and is the big man in charge. He's surrounded by his cronies who mostly think the same way he does about U2, doesn't have to worry about us pesky positive thinking fans and he is loving it.

Also, do you use the same user name over there as here? If so, it's real rich that you come over here and sort attack the mods after your little speech yesterday on the other site about having respect for here and there.

Actually, you're incorrect, but thanks for assuming things.  8) An Tha did not start the other site and is not the "big man" in charge. He's also not "surrounded by cronies", either. I own the site, I host the site and I started the other site (to provide a place for people temporarily and perhaps permanently, at the time) and staffed it with several different people who all are in varying degrees of U2 fandom and who all have different political/musical opinions. I wanted the staff to represent as many aspects of the U2 fanbase as possible. I happen to be a huge fan of the band (much bigger than An Tha) and love the new album. Yet I'm totally fine with people coming on there, debating the music as they feel, even if I don't always agree with what they're saying. The name of the game is respect and so long as debate is respectful, we allow it.

We do have respect for this place and its administration because we appreciate how difficult it is to run a site. We did not start the other place out of spite or to let "troublemakers" get their way. We did it because we knew people would miss having a forum to talk on for however long @u2 would be offline for. We are glad to see @u2 back online and do wish the best. Fans will choose where they feel more comfortable at and that's fine. Ultimately it's the fans/forum members who make a forum a community, so we do our best to cater to them, just as I'm sure @u2 does.

I won't speak for codeguy since he's got his right to say how he feels, but I can say that even if his post appears "disrespectful" or "rich" to you, we truly do (as a staff) have the upmost respect for @u2. It's the forum that brought all of us together, after all, and again, we wish the best for @u2.

I lurk over at your site, so I've read the posts and know what is going on over there. From what has been said when he was banned here, an tha wanted very much to be a mod so he could mold this site to what he wanted it to be and was apparently rather upset when he was denied. You gave him the moderator opportunity he wanted and we'll see how that goes. Hope it all goes well for you, but I still feel that he is only on his best behavior because he is finally getting things his way. I actually feel you have a few members that are like that. Your regular posters are all getting along, because most have similar thoughts about current U2 and there are no buttons to push or people to fight with. Even your former Interference member has toned it down a little, because he doesn't have anyone to fight with.

Again, I hope it goes well for you over there, but it's not really respectful to come over here and get digs in on how this moderator team runs their site. You go do your thing and let them do theirs.

I didn't come in here and say a thing until you made your post assuming things you do not have any idea about. You assume that An Tha is the problem and that he dictates things. He isn't and he doesn't. You don't see the behind the scenes happenings (at our forum) and you don't know the full story of why An Tha was banned here. I won't tell that story because it is between An Tha and the administration here, but suffice to say there's more to it than meets the eye.

This idea that An Tha is some sort of authoritarian who only wants to get his way or is only "behaving" because he "gets his way"? It's completely misguided. You are judging someone you don't know based on what you think was the reason for his banning and someone who never once asked to be an admin on our site. He was made an admin because of his musical knowledge and overall even leveledness.

And you know what? He's worked his butt off to be a fair moderator and to understand the needs of the members. We have a policy on our forums to not ban unless it's an absolute last resort and to date, we have yet to ban a single person. We allow respectful debate and you know what else? Even when we disagree with each other, we don't personally attack one another and we've yet to have any issues. Even with heated political debate. Which is proof that when you treat the members with respect, they respond with respect for one another.

I would hope that @u2's break has been productive for the mod team and has given them the breather they clearly needed. I would also hope that for this place's sake, the members are happier with the rules of the place and that everyone gets along without the necessity for bans or people fearing being banned for saying the wrong thing.

If @u2 wants to create a place where the only thing tolerated is positivity concerning the band's music/things in general, then that's their choice and the members will need to adhere to that. We view it differently and instead prefer an open forum where positivity and negativity is allowed so long as there's no personal attacks.

That's all I'll say, no more posts on this thread publicly but feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss further. Again, speaking for our site as a whole, we wish the best for @u2. I can't control what individual members from our site post on here and wouldn't dream to as that's their right, just as @u2 can't control people who come to our forum and post about @u2 being back online.  :)

Codeguy/Tiger - as I understand it you guys are admin/mods on your own site. Why you felt the need to post about a banned member here is beyond me. The only people keeping that particular conversation going is yourselves. Perhaps that was the intention of Codeguys post - I don’t know and I’m not going to spend time worrying about it. We have moved on and this forum will look to focus on the music and art that is U2. I’m glad you guys have found what you were looking for and wish you all the best in your new venture.