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Title: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 16, 2017, 10:48:32 PM
I'm so confused. Pretty much every venue says the same thing: no camping. Yet I see the same people every show making a line, (which is just a number on the wrist) and telling people to follow their rules. Then their line becomes the official venues, what the heck! Are the venues agreeing to the the line leaders rules, and if so, why don't they make official statements to let ALL attendees be aware?

These aren't even real lines! They're numbers on the band! Can anyone just make one of these "lines"? What happens if theres e opposing GA lines? This is happening in Santa Clara which declared the line begins 2:00PM day of show as you read this
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 16, 2017, 10:49:30 PM
An interesting take on the Ga "line"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCjlWnuNVJk
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: cocamojoe on May 16, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
Camping out for a good GA spot is so unnecessary, that I'm convinced that these types have a few screws loose, and are essentially cultists.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 17, 2017, 08:14:25 AM
A lot of these venues are opening parking lots at 2:00 PM and also not permitting lining up until that time.  So I don't see how an offsite line system would work when you don't have every GA fan participating in it.   Every fan who shows up by 2:00 will get in line and that's that.  Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: trevgreg on May 17, 2017, 08:47:12 AM
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A lot of these venues are opening parking lots at 2:00 PM and also not permitting lining up until that time.  So I don't see how an offsite line system would work when you don't have every GA fan participating in it.   Every fan who shows up by 2:00 will get in line and that's that.  Am I missing something here?

I suppose I'll take this one... with this band usually, a few fans will start an "unofficial" GA line the day before or few days before a show begins, making a list with paper and pen and doing check-in times at least the night before and the morning of a show. When they get to the venue the day of a show, they'll either start lining up there or force people to move to another spot before the "official" time they're allowed to be on the property.

This is in no way official or sanctioned by anyone, but typically people just go along with it to avoid the inevitable bickering and fighting that sometimes results from it. Most of the time, it's successful and security will go along with whatever just to see it through without that much trouble.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 17, 2017, 09:07:27 AM
Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: bonorules on May 17, 2017, 12:59:30 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 17, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

So if the venue doesn't allow lining up until 2:00 PM, what will the venue do if a fan not on this "unofficial" list is the first to get to the gate?  In the past, have most of the venues acknowledged this offsite numbering system or just some of them?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: bonorules on May 17, 2017, 01:18:13 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

So if the venue doesn't allow lining up until 2:00 PM, what will the venue do if a fan not on this "unofficial" list is the first to get to the gate?  In the past, have most of the venues acknowledged this offsite numbering system or just some of them?

I've never participated in the line so I don't know for sure, but from what I've heard the line list leader chats up the security at the GA gate and convinces them that using their list is the best process. Then when the lineup officially starts, first person on the list is the first person in line no matter if someone else is there or not. They've also apparently convinced security to allow them to start moving their line closer to the actual official start and directing anyone new coming up to get to the back of the unofficial line. I believe this doesn't happen at all venues, but again, from what I've heard they at least try to get it be their way and control as best they can of who is at the front.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 17, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

So if the venue doesn't allow lining up until 2:00 PM, what will the venue do if a fan not on this "unofficial" list is the first to get to the gate?  In the past, have most of the venues acknowledged this offsite numbering system or just some of them?

I've never participated in the line so I don't know for sure, but from what I've heard the line list leader chats up the security at the GA gate and convinces them that using their list is the best process. Then when the lineup officially starts, first person on the list is the first person in line no matter if someone else is there or not. They've also apparently convinced security to allow them to start moving their line closer to the actual official start and directing anyone new coming up to get to the back of the unofficial line. I believe this doesn't happen at all venues, but again, from what I've heard they at least try to get it be their way and control as best they can of who is at the front.

It worked on Levi's stadium. First 275 people in the unofficial line were given wristbands to come back later for the show, while everyone else who shows up to the venue has to wait all day
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: eddyjedi on May 17, 2017, 03:10:20 PM
I queued at 360 in Rome and it was an absolute nightmare, I won't do it ever again.

Having said that Dublin queues were very organised.

Never again though. I'll be heading to twickenham but I won't get there till 2/3 PM after some heavy drinking.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: briscoetheque on May 17, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
You want to queue, you queue. You don't get there for 5 mins, check in, then bugger off for 6 hours.

That's not queuing.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: ShankAsu on May 17, 2017, 03:38:24 PM
I just don't think there's a need to stand in line for hours when there's such a large area for the b-stage.    for the 360 and i.e. shows i went to, everybody got their pick of where they wanted to stand.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: spooked1oo on May 17, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
So if I was planning on lining up at the Rose Bowl on Saturday night or early Sunday morning for the Sunday show, how would that work? I've seen people lined up that early before at other venues without issue. But I'm curious about this whole "queing" line and all that, since I'm driving from out of state on Saturday. I don't want to show up that early just to be told either to leave or to wait for people who aren't actually there.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 17, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
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So if I was planning on lining up at the Rose Bowl on Saturday night or early Sunday morning for the Sunday show, how would that work? I've seen people lined up that early before at other venues without issue. But I'm curious about this whole "queing" line and all that, since I'm driving from out of state on Saturday. I don't want to show up that early just to be told either to leave or to wait for people who aren't actually there.

All venues have been saying no onsite camping. The rose bowl however also mentioned they don't want people camping on the surrounding streets either. It's been kinda dead since they Rose bowl said they have their own rules they'll release friday
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Kmama07 on May 18, 2017, 01:42:10 AM
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You want to queue, you queue. You don't get there for 5 mins, check in, then bugger off for 6 hours.

That's not queuing.
Agreed. And it's not fair. Got caught in this mess on three different occasions at three different venues. Same people running the lists/in front of the line every time. Didn't matter that we arrived (very) early. Somehow over a hundred people were ahead of us who weren't even in line all day.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: briscoetheque on May 18, 2017, 01:53:36 AM
Rosebowl said the same in 2009 for 360. In reality, there was a car park meetup the day before which involved wristbands (all run by self appointed organisers). About 7am the next morning people started returning, and sat around the golf club side. A bit of angst around which line was the line...

But then it was such a cluster from about 4pm anyway that people with numbers under 50 on their hands were next to those numbered 400+
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 18, 2017, 06:12:04 AM
It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on May 18, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
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Camping out for a good GA spot is so unnecessary, that I'm convinced that these types have a few screws loose, and are essentially cultists.
+1
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: weinerdog on May 18, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
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It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

Because that wouldn't be beneficial to the clowns that start these lists in every city.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skelter on May 18, 2017, 07:18:54 PM
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It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

They won't deign to talk to us common folk. I'm sure they have their top secret facebook (groups).

Anyway, if the stadium's official lineup started at 2pm, but demand is so great that 1000 people show up at 2pm sharp, who is truly #1 in line?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 18, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
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It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

They won't deign to talk to us common folk. I'm sure they have their top secret facebook (groups).

Anyway, if the stadium's official lineup started at 2pm, but demand is so great that 1000 people show up at 2pm sharp, who is truly #1 in line?

 :)  The first one to the gate  :)
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 18, 2017, 08:25:17 PM
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It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

They won't deign to talk to us common folk. I'm sure they have their top secret facebook (groups).

Anyway, if the stadium's official lineup started at 2pm, but demand is so great that 1000 people show up at 2pm sharp, who is truly #1 in line?
Totally agree, there's the problem..... 1000+ by 2pm. Who's #1. First the the gate will just result in a stampede & a riot!

For venues that allow camping, people should have to stay in line. But if venues won't allow it there has to be something to organise the masses that will be there at the official start time of the line. Whether it's an unofficial line (that needs a check-in to keep people away from the venue - at the wish of venue security), or maybe something like Bruce's lottery system (which would mean different people at the front for each show). Either way, you can't just let 1000+ people fight to be first at the gate at 2pm!
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: joecamp5513 on May 18, 2017, 08:31:24 PM
Does this happen on the Red Zone line too? How far in advance to be the one of the first in line?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 18, 2017, 08:41:39 PM
Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: joecamp5513 on May 18, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 18, 2017, 09:41:25 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?

I've been contacting rose bowl to see if anything has come up. They're very insistent on no outside GA lines and are prohibiting any forms of lines/fans in the surrounding area in addition to stadium property. Rose Bowl staff has actually been very friendly and communicative, last spoke to them a few hours ago. They said they have a strict specific policy they will release tomorrow for GA
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: joecamp5513 on May 18, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?

I've been contacting rose bowl to see if anything has come up. They're very insistent on no outside GA lines and are prohibiting any forms of lines/fans in the surrounding area in addition to stadium property. Rose Bowl staff has actually been very friendly and communicative, last spoke to them a few hours ago. They said they have a strict specific policy they will release tomorrow for GA


Will this be the same for Red Zone? That's where I'll be lining up.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 18, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?

I've been contacting rose bowl to see if anything has come up. They're very insistent on no outside GA lines and are prohibiting any forms of lines/fans in the surrounding area in addition to stadium property. Rose Bowl staff has actually been very friendly and communicative, last spoke to them a few hours ago. They said they have a strict specific policy they will release tomorrow for GA


Will this be the same for Red Zone? That's where I'll be lining up.

Redzone was emailed different instructions. Follow the email you got. Not really a need to line up any more than an hour or two for redzone, and that'll put you in the first few
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 18, 2017, 10:19:52 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Well someone on the Zoo forums said Vancouver had around 15-20 people in the RZ line by 9am. First show of the tour, so maybe it won't be that bad. But if you really want to be "first" for some reason, then you may be lining up for a pretty long time. But I'd hope you'd get a good rail spot by joining the line in the early afternoon.

Where are you planning on standing? Looks good up near the b-stage, though I wouldn't go all the way up to the end of RZ at the b-stage, as there's a boom camera that may impact your views at times. I'd probably aim for the junction of the catwalk & b-stage if I got the chance. Though the band will be facing away from you for much of their time on the b-stage.
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As for GA, in '09 Rosebowl security said no camping, come back at 7am on show day. So that's what we did. Only to find they'd let other people camp & start a line. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of proper metal barricades they used tape to separate parts of the line. Resulting in a stampede that could have killed people.

Hope they've learnt from the experience. Maybe that's why they're appearing to be even stricter this time around.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 18, 2017, 10:35:29 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Well someone on the Zoo forums said Vancouver had around 15-20 people in the RZ line by 9am. First show of the tour, so maybe it won't be that bad. But if you really want to be "first" for some reason, then you may be lining up for a pretty long time. But I'd hope you'd get a good rail spot by joining the line in the early afternoon.

Where are you planning on standing? Looks good up near the b-stage, though I wouldn't go all the way up to the end of RZ at the b-stage, as there's a boom camera that may impact your views at times. I'd probably aim for the junction of the catwalk & b-stage if I got the chance. Though the band will be facing away from you for much of their time on the b-stage.
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As for GA, in '09 Rosebowl security said no camping, come back at 7am on show day. So that's what we did. Only to find they'd let other people camp & start a line. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of proper metal barricades they used tape to separate parts of the line. Resulting in a stampede that could have killed people.

Hope they've learnt from the experience. Maybe that's why they're appearing to be even stricter this time around.

The difference this time is they're prohibiting any lines at the surrounding area. The man I spoke to on the phone was well aware of stuff as he said they've been bombarded with phone calls and messages. They don't want any one interfering with their policies and that's why they're releasing rules on such short notice. Otherwise they'd have enough people try to camp out all week and would have to constantly tell them to leave
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: joecamp5513 on May 18, 2017, 11:48:26 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Well someone on the Zoo forums said Vancouver had around 15-20 people in the RZ line by 9am. First show of the tour, so maybe it won't be that bad. But if you really want to be "first" for some reason, then you may be lining up for a pretty long time. But I'd hope you'd get a good rail spot by joining the line in the early afternoon.

Where are you planning on standing? Looks good up near the b-stage, though I wouldn't go all the way up to the end of RZ at the b-stage, as there's a boom camera that may impact your views at times. I'd probably aim for the junction of the catwalk & b-stage if I got the chance. Though the band will be facing away from you for much of their time on the b-stage.
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As for GA, in '09 Rosebowl security said no camping, come back at 7am on show day. So that's what we did. Only to find they'd let other people camp & start a line. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of proper metal barricades they used tape to separate parts of the line. Resulting in a stampede that could have killed people.

Hope they've learnt from the experience. Maybe that's why they're appearing to be even stricter this time around.

Ideally I'd like to be right up on the rail within near the main stage. Might have to queue for a while, huh?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 19, 2017, 09:11:32 AM
According to the Rose Bowl Stadium website FAQs for the weekend shows..."What time can I begin lining up for GA Floor Seating? If you are a GA Floor ticket holder, you will receive an email on Friday, May 19th with specific details. For further information, please visit our Rose Bowl Stadium website, post the May 19th email blast."
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: tarbalien on May 19, 2017, 10:02:14 AM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Well someone on the Zoo forums said Vancouver had around 15-20 people in the RZ line by 9am. First show of the tour, so maybe it won't be that bad. But if you really want to be "first" for some reason, then you may be lining up for a pretty long time. But I'd hope you'd get a good rail spot by joining the line in the early afternoon.

Where are you planning on standing? Looks good up near the b-stage, though I wouldn't go all the way up to the end of RZ at the b-stage, as there's a boom camera that may impact your views at times. I'd probably aim for the junction of the catwalk & b-stage if I got the chance. Though the band will be facing away from you for much of their time on the b-stage.
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As for GA, in '09 Rosebowl security said no camping, come back at 7am on show day. So that's what we did. Only to find they'd let other people camp & start a line. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of proper metal barricades they used tape to separate parts of the line. Resulting in a stampede that could have killed people.

Hope they've learnt from the experience. Maybe that's why they're appearing to be even stricter this time around.

Was that picture your view? What time did you start lining up?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skhentigan on May 19, 2017, 10:19:37 AM
Things could get interesting in Boston. People don't take a lot of BS.  I for one only care about what venue says. 
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Spacejunk69 on May 19, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Ive been to two shows. Both GA. Observations:

1) You absolutely do not need to be there/start lining up until at least 3PM, maybe 4PM, because.....
2) The BEST place to stand is just to the right, and slightly behind the B Stage.
3) It gives you the perfect spot. EXTREMELY close to b-stage songs, a FACNTASTIC view of the screen (as you are dead center with the main stage) and a close enough view of the main stage to thoroughly enjoy the songs played there.
4) All the confusion over GA entry was caused by incompetent event staff. Blaming U2, Ticketmaster, Live Nation, whatever, is just ridiculous. Both shows I attended (Vancouver and Seattle) the event staff did not know what they were doing organizing a crowd that size. Weird, where they work, but true.
5) I did not need ID at either show, just the CC I used to purchase each ticket.

People who 'organize' the line by writing numbers on hands and things, people who show up days in advance - are NOT gaining any real advantage. They 'just think' they are part of the 'U2 crew' and 'in the knows' and feel they are 'bigger fans' than others by doing it. Oh, and they are also rude. Just show up when you are ready, enjoy the atmosphere and fun of meeting new people, and don't worry!
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Passenger84 on May 19, 2017, 11:37:35 AM
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Rosebowl said the same in 2009 for 360. In reality, there was a car park meetup the day before which involved wristbands (all run by self appointed organisers). About 7am the next morning people started returning, and sat around the golf club side. A bit of angst around which line was the line...

But then it was such a cluster from about 4pm anyway that people with numbers under 50 on their hands were next to those numbered 400+

Ah, the Great Rose Bowl Stampede of 2009. We were there too...EZ-ups, portable BBQ's, all flying through the air in a sea of running humans. Surreal to say the least.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 19, 2017, 12:10:08 PM
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Rosebowl said the same in 2009 for 360. In reality, there was a car park meetup the day before which involved wristbands (all run by self appointed organisers). About 7am the next morning people started returning, and sat around the golf club side. A bit of angst around which line was the line...

But then it was such a cluster from about 4pm anyway that people with numbers under 50 on their hands were next to those numbered 400+

Ah, the Great Rose Bowl Stampede of 2009. We were there too...EZ-ups, portable BBQ's, all flying through the air in a sea of running humans. Surreal to say the least.

Free chairs!
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 19, 2017, 02:59:17 PM
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Used to be that you could get there about an hour before doors opened & be in the first 20-30. But I've heard that people are lining up a bit longer now. Not stupid times like GA, but if you want a good rail spot you may have to be there a bit earlier. Don't quote me on it though. Plus it's dependent on the city, day of the week, the weather, whether your show has crazy line nazis doing RZ etc, etc.

I'll be doing both nights at the Rose Bowl, so I'd imagine the nazis are going to be out. How much is a 'bit earlier' from what you've heard?
Well someone on the Zoo forums said Vancouver had around 15-20 people in the RZ line by 9am. First show of the tour, so maybe it won't be that bad. But if you really want to be "first" for some reason, then you may be lining up for a pretty long time. But I'd hope you'd get a good rail spot by joining the line in the early afternoon.

Where are you planning on standing? Looks good up near the b-stage, though I wouldn't go all the way up to the end of RZ at the b-stage, as there's a boom camera that may impact your views at times. I'd probably aim for the junction of the catwalk & b-stage if I got the chance. Though the band will be facing away from you for much of their time on the b-stage.
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As for GA, in '09 Rosebowl security said no camping, come back at 7am on show day. So that's what we did. Only to find they'd let other people camp & start a line. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of proper metal barricades they used tape to separate parts of the line. Resulting in a stampede that could have killed people.

Hope they've learnt from the experience. Maybe that's why they're appearing to be even stricter this time around.

Was that picture your view? What time did you start lining up?
Nah, just a pic I've seen on the forums.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 20, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
So how did it work this morning at Rosebowl stadium? The venue did not allow GA line up until 8:00 AM.  Was it a stampede to the gate?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: spooked1oo on May 20, 2017, 11:31:48 AM
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So how did it work this morning at Rosebowl stadium? The venue did not allow GA line up until 8:00 AM.  Was it a stampede to the gate?

I'm at the show tomorrow, so I'm wondering the same thing! I saw someone commented on U2's Facebook video that they're ticked about a "secret line" that was made Thursday, because when they showed up to line up at 7:30 this morning they were number 504 in line, which I'm assuming is the crazy queing thing going on.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 20, 2017, 11:35:57 AM
And again I ask...how can you number people before even arriving at the venue?  What if someone with no knowledge of this got to the gate first at 8:00AM?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: McSwilly on May 20, 2017, 11:38:23 AM
By the way, the closer you are to the main stage the less you see of the whole production. It is also super cramped up there. We were near the B-Stage which was great.

If you don't want to wait you can waltz in before show time and be at the back of the floor and have a great view of the stage, less crowded and more chill.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: bonorules on May 20, 2017, 11:53:44 AM
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And again I ask...how can you number people before even arriving at the venue?  What if someone with no knowledge of this got to the gate first at 8:00AM?

The line list leaders want it so you don't know about any of this. They'll scream about how they are providing a great service to the fans, but will do all they can to keep the list secret from the general public and rig the system to ensure they and their friends are always at the front. Word from a post I saw on Twitter is that they convinced Rose Bowl security to give them the first set of numbered wristbands this morning for the people of their list. They then told the list people to meet them at some Starbucks nearby and they would be giving their wristband there. They could then proceed over to Rose Bowl, if they wanted, to start lining up.

I know they have some supporters on here that a few tours ago drank they line nazi kool-aid and continue to defend the line list process, but it is NOT a fair system at all.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 20, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
 And it baffles me that the venue would cooperate with this.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Number1U2fan on May 20, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
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And it baffles me that the venue would cooperate with this.

totally agree. I have to watch what i say because the DELETE POLICE are on me. I just hope things go smoothly. They have in the past for me at least when I have had GA's which I do today. But i did my time hanging out all day just for a spot up along the stage. I don't mind hanging in the back now. Its fun, more comfortable and I'm old now. LOL!! But again, if a # person tries cutting in..........................................................
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 20, 2017, 01:59:53 PM
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And it baffles me that the venue would cooperate with this.

totally agree. I have to watch what i say because the DELETE POLICE are on me. I just hope things go smoothly. They have in the past for me at least when I have had GA's which I do today. But i did my time hanging out all day just for a spot up along the stage. I don't mind hanging in the back now. Its fun, more comfortable and I'm old now. LOL!! But again, if a # person tries cutting in..........................................................

So what time did you get in line, approx what number are you, and how close do you think that will get you?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: dennertime on May 21, 2017, 01:23:52 AM
I got to the Rose Bowl around 6:30. Got through security quickly, they put on wristbands and I wondered when they were going to swipe my card. They never actually did swipe the card! Anyway I was in front of mix position at what would be the 50 yard line. I could have gotten a couple hundred feet closer but my friend was on crutches.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skhentigan on May 21, 2017, 06:02:23 AM
Has anyone tried calling one of the venues and asked why this is permitted? I wonder if they even know.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: briscoetheque on May 21, 2017, 06:13:57 AM
The venue want anything that makes their life easier. If they don't have to police it... Easier.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skhentigan on May 21, 2017, 08:02:56 AM
Having the GA line at a Starbucks. Really is this fair. I can't believe this is going on.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Kmama07 on May 21, 2017, 08:04:09 AM
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Having the GA line at a Starbucks. Really is this fair. I can't believe this is going on.
It's been happening for years...
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skhentigan on May 21, 2017, 08:14:16 AM
I usually just pony up for the super expensive seats but we figured why not try and get close to stage. I am starting to think it was a mistake.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: cmmott on May 21, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
Ah yes...the line "Nazi" topic that always comes up every tour. I have done GA every tour starting with the Elevation Tour to include Santa Clara this past week. I stopped lining up early after the Vertigo Tour based on an experience I had in Glendale Arizona. Me and a friend of mine stayed in a hotel onsite and managed to be 1 and 2 in line somehow and just minutes ahead of the line organizers (self proclaimed). We then spent the next hour swearing we would stand our ground and not leave and we were shouted down, called some interesting names and basically shamed for breathing their air. After about an hour, we were reduced to three choices. Endure the abuse all day and never be able to leave the line, get in a physical altercation or leave to go further back in the line. We had to choose the latter. By this time, the line was over 200 deep so we ended up further back. I really wish the band would make an effort to curb this practice and they kind of double down on the problem by always pulling these folks up on stage. It just kind of feeds the beast. These days....I simply recede a little back from the stage where the crowds are less and I can just enjoy the show without the aggrevation. Bottom line...this band has millions of fan and no one is better than the other or a bigger fan. Having the means to go to multiple shows and travel the world to see the band does not make you a bigger fan nor does it give you a mandate to run a GA line and treat people in a way that is in conflict with the message in the music you claim to love.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Rono on May 21, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
It would be great to hear from those that do it-What gives then the right to do it?,What is the benefit of doing it other then helping them and there friends skip the quere by creating an unofficial secret check-in time in a Starbucks.   It is not fair on people that don't know and quere early in good faith.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Kmama07 on May 21, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
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Ah yes...the line "Nazi" topic that always comes up every tour. I have done GA every tour starting with the Elevation Tour to include Santa Clara this past week. I stopped lining up early after the Vertigo Tour based on an experience I had in Glendale Arizona. Me and a friend of mine stayed in a hotel onsite and managed to be 1 and 2 in line somehow and just minutes ahead of the line organizers (self proclaimed). We then spent the next hour swearing we would stand our ground and not leave and we were shouted down, called some interesting names and basically shamed for breathing their air. After about an hour, we were reduced to three choices. Endure the abuse all day and never be able to leave the line, get in a physical altercation or leave to go further back in the line. We had to choose the latter. By this time, the line was over 200 deep so we ended up further back. I really wish the band would make an effort to curb this practice and they kind of double down on the problem by always pulling these folks up on stage. It just kind of feeds the beast. These days....I simply recede a little back from the stage where the crowds are less and I can just enjoy the show without the aggrevation. Bottom line...this band has millions of fan and no one is better than the other or a bigger fan. Having the means to go to multiple shows and travel the world to see the band does not make you a bigger fan nor does it give you a mandate to run a GA line and treat people in a way that is in conflict with the message in the music you claim to love.
I hear ya! Had the same experience various years in Detroit, Chicago and Denver...
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: skhentigan on May 21, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
So your telling me you got there at the same time and they were verbally abusing you because they had their own numbers. Wow. and just sad.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 21, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
GA was done poorly for Rose Bowl. They kept saying hang on "for our official policy". However a GA line with check in was formed off property by the same people who go to every show and claim they're first and the real line. When people asked Rose Bowl what's up with the offsite line, RoseBowl said they can't do anything about them because it's public and that Rose Bowl would have their own GA line rules and policy (basically saying don't bother with the line people". The next day, Rose Bowl gave 500 wristbands to the people who made their own line which allowed them to keep their spots in line. The issue with this is Rose Bowl denied being affiliated with the line, nor did they tell advise ALL OF GA to try and join the fan line. Rose Bowl did send out its own policy to all GA but the email said to just show up at 8 and stick in line all day.

Now the fans who made their own line were told to be AT the venue BEFORE 8. Why? Because they didn't want it to look like they were using the fan line, rather it would look like everyone in the fan line showed up before anyone arriving at 8.

The weather was 90 degrees and people were fainting.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 21, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
Also heads up, if you're not in the first 150 people, it's unlikely you're getting good rail. Was slightly above 150 and was still 2 people back. Had to deal with people trying to cut me all the time and even had one freaking person think it would be ok to take a nap and use my leg for support. That didn't go well for her LOL.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Kmama07 on May 21, 2017, 10:18:02 AM
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Also heads up, if you're not in the first 150 people, it's unlikely you're getting good rail. Was slightly above 150 and was still 2 people back. Had to deal with people trying to cut me all the time and even had one freaking person think it would be ok to take a nap and use my leg for support. That didn't go well for her LOL.
So frustrating. I ended up getting seats for Chicago because I'm bringing my son and didn't want the hassle of ga. Also didn't want him to potentially see the side of me that doesn't deal well with "people who don't play well with others". Haha
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: spooked1oo on May 21, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
Rose Bowl day 2 is going well so far! They said the line would open at 8:00, but I got here at 6:30 just to be safe. I got here and they gave me #230ish, then they actually started letting us in and calling numbers at about 7:00ish, so the people who weren't here at that time got their names crossed off the list. I ended up #195 after that. So far it all seems fair and actually really orderly. If you weren't here early, even if you signed the list days in advance, you missed your spot. And the line's all sectioned off and organized. It's not perfect, but I'm really liking it. Could definitely be worse.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: cmmott on May 21, 2017, 11:49:50 AM
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It would be great to hear from those that do it-What gives then the right to do it?,What is the benefit of doing it other then helping them and there friends skip the quere by creating an unofficial secret check-in time in a Starbucks.   It is not fair on people that don't know and quere early in good faith.

Not likely to happen. They are far above having to explain themselves.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 21, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
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Rose Bowl day 2 is going well so far! They said the line would open at 8:00, but I got here at 6:30 just to be safe. I got here and they gave me #230ish, then they actually started letting us in and calling numbers at about 7:00ish, so the people who weren't here at that time got their names crossed off the list. I ended up #195 after that. So far it all seems fair and actually really orderly. If you weren't here early, even if you signed the list days in advance, you missed your spot. And the line's all sectioned off and organized. It's not perfect, but I'm really liking it. Could definitely be worse.

Not to be a buzzkill but i was above 150 yesterday. Ended up one person off the rail.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Cjpink on May 21, 2017, 12:51:01 PM
I went in around 5:30pm for GA after thousands went in. I was 20 people back from stage B. 70% of the concert happens at stage b. Not sure why people line up in front of the main stage.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Cjpink on May 21, 2017, 01:03:39 PM
I showed up to Rose Bowl around 4pm. There were thousands in line. I waited and went in around 5:45pm. Ended up about 20 people back from front right side of stage b where 65% of the concert takes place. Perfect place to see both stages and screen. No idea why people show up at 6am.  Other thought - ride shuttle line was a thousand people deep still at 12:30am. I parked in lot one 
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Spacejunk69 on May 21, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
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I showed up to Rose Bowl around 4pm. There were thousands in line. I waited and went in around 5:45pm. Ended up about 20 people back from front right side of stage b where 65% of the concert takes place. Perfect place to see both stages and screen. No idea why people show up at 6am.  Other thought - ride shuttle line was a thousand people deep still at 12:30am. I parked in lot one

This. My experience in both Vancouver and Seattle
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 21, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
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I showed up to Rose Bowl around 4pm. There were thousands in line. I waited and went in around 5:45pm. Ended up about 20 people back from front right side of stage b where 65% of the concert takes place. Perfect place to see both stages and screen. No idea why people show up at 6am.  Other thought - ride shuttle line was a thousand people deep still at 12:30am. I parked in lot one

This. My experience in both Vancouver and Seattle

Any trouble seeing the b-stage over people's heads?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Spacejunk69 on May 21, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
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I showed up to Rose Bowl around 4pm. There were thousands in line. I waited and went in around 5:45pm. Ended up about 20 people back from front right side of stage b where 65% of the concert takes place. Perfect place to see both stages and screen. No idea why people show up at 6am.  Other thought - ride shuttle line was a thousand people deep still at 12:30am. I parked in lot one

This. My experience in both Vancouver and Seattle

Any trouble seeing the b-stage over people's heads?

Nope none at all. And there was a really small girl in our party, and she could see just fine.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 21, 2017, 06:52:08 PM
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I showed up to Rose Bowl around 4pm. There were thousands in line. I waited and went in around 5:45pm. Ended up about 20 people back from front right side of stage b where 65% of the concert takes place. Perfect place to see both stages and screen. No idea why people show up at 6am.  Other thought - ride shuttle line was a thousand people deep still at 12:30am. I parked in lot one

This. My experience in both Vancouver and Seattle

Any trouble seeing the b-stage over people's heads?

Nope none at all. And there was a really small girl in our party, and she could see just fine.

Thanks for the reply.  I''m in agreement that camping out all day doesn't gain you that much more of an advantage unless you can get within the first three rows off the rail.  After that I think anywhere within 20 rows deep is about the same.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: trevgreg on May 21, 2017, 09:17:12 PM
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Thanks for the reply.  I''m in agreement that camping out all day doesn't gain you that much more of an advantage unless you can get within the first three rows off the rail.  After that I think anywhere within 20 rows deep is about the same.

That tends to be my experience too, even with seating arrangements. If you're dead-set on being on the rail or within 2-4 rows, then do what you need to do. If it's beyond that, then it's pretty much the same thing no matter where you're at if location is somewhat of a priority.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 25, 2017, 12:23:11 AM
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It would be great if someone who has been involved in organizing the GA line would share their thoughts on this topic.  I would be interested to know why the numbering system isn't started at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

Because that wouldn't be beneficial to the clowns that start these lists in every city.



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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 25, 2017, 12:33:12 AM
Bingo!!! Just went through this in Houston tonight. Total scam. They're starting the early "GA lines" with their stupid sharpies and notepads so they can be the first on the list. It's totally unnecessary to line up the night before. They are causing the very problem they claim to be resolving. Tour management  can stop this manipulation if they use a simple lotto system like Springsteen.  Or maybe another group should show up with their own sharpie and notepad and put these con artists on their "official" list. See how they like getting played. f*** those guys.


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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: afg on May 25, 2017, 07:17:49 AM
It would be great if tour management took this over.  I was looking at Bruce Springsteen's GA procedure for last year's show at MetLife(see below).  I like it.  If anyone attended I would be interested to hear how that worked out.

 2:00 p.m. – Parking Lots and Box Office Open.
 2:30 p.m. – Approximately 1,000 sequentially numbered wristbands will be distributed. Guests must be present and have
a ticket to receive wristband. Guests cannot reserve/pick-up wristbands for other guests. Once you receive a wristband,
you do not need to stay in line at the MetLife Gate; however, you must return to the MetLife Gate for the random number
selection at 4:15 p.m. These wristbands will also serve as your floor access wristbands so they should not be removed until
after the show.
 4:30 p.m. – A starting number will be randomly picked by a fan, announced and displayed on a placard at the MetLife Gate.
All fans with GA tickets and numbered wristbands should begin lining-up in numerical order in the lane labeled with their
range of numbers (i.e. 1-99, 100-199, etc.). When beginning the screening process, the fan holding the wristband that
matches the starting number will be the first in line (i.e. if #’s 1-1000 were distributed and number 818 is drawn, the line
would start with 818, then 819, 820, 821 through 1000 then 1-817). When the starting number is announced the line
within that range will shift accordingly.
 If you arrive after the wristbands have been distributed or after 4:30 p.m., you will line-up in a secondary line that is firstcome,
first-served at the MetLife Gate. There is no place-holding (“saving spots”) in this line. One person = one spot. If you
want to enter the field with a group, you will need to be together when joining the line. The Secondary line will not receive
a numbered wristband and will be escorted to the field after the first 1,000 wristbanded guests.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: joeyanne on May 25, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
I much prefer the British system. We get there and we queue with numbers purely to tell people who try and push in to "bugger orf" and to rejoin after a loo or food break. I do like queuing all day though as it gives time to get to know other fans and being there on my own it's great when I find a group to enjoy the show with.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: trevgreg on May 25, 2017, 08:34:01 AM
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It would be great if tour management took this over.  I was looking at Bruce Springsteen's GA procedure for last year's show at MetLife(see below).  I like it.  If anyone attended I would be interested to hear how that worked out.

 2:00 p.m. – Parking Lots and Box Office Open.
 2:30 p.m. – Approximately 1,000 sequentially numbered wristbands will be distributed. Guests must be present and have
a ticket to receive wristband. Guests cannot reserve/pick-up wristbands for other guests. Once you receive a wristband,
you do not need to stay in line at the MetLife Gate; however, you must return to the MetLife Gate for the random number
selection at 4:15 p.m. These wristbands will also serve as your floor access wristbands so they should not be removed until
after the show.
 4:30 p.m. – A starting number will be randomly picked by a fan, announced and displayed on a placard at the MetLife Gate.
All fans with GA tickets and numbered wristbands should begin lining-up in numerical order in the lane labeled with their
range of numbers (i.e. 1-99, 100-199, etc.). When beginning the screening process, the fan holding the wristband that
matches the starting number will be the first in line (i.e. if #’s 1-1000 were distributed and number 818 is drawn, the line
would start with 818, then 819, 820, 821 through 1000 then 1-817). When the starting number is announced the line
within that range will shift accordingly.
 If you arrive after the wristbands have been distributed or after 4:30 p.m., you will line-up in a secondary line that is firstcome,
first-served at the MetLife Gate. There is no place-holding (“saving spots”) in this line. One person = one spot. If you
want to enter the field with a group, you will need to be together when joining the line. The Secondary line will not receive
a numbered wristband and will be escorted to the field after the first 1,000 wristbanded guests.

I've done it once and that's more or less how it worked, except for it being an arena and there being a bit of delay in line-up/drawing times since they were lining us all up in an adjoining auditorium. Mine had a pretty big line though (around 1200, I think?), but it worked out for me since they drew a number pretty close to mine and I was the new #70 or something. Had a nice spot second row in front of the extended portion of the stage for the whole show.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if U2 would do something similar, since I'd like the decrease in drama and having to line-up so early in the day. For Springsteen, it was in my hometown (no pun intended), so I got my number a little bit before 2:30, went back to my apartment to eat and clean up, then drove a few miles back to the arena to get in line about 90 minutes later. I loved that aspect of it and would like it even more in another city, probably. But at the same time, for the trade-off of 'fairness' or extra time, I also would see the trade-off in putting the time in to be as close as I'd like to be and might miss that aspect of it. I even told that to someone who stood next to me for the Springsteen show after it ended... "Too bad it's downhill from here!" Might be nice if I had a similar spot in the future, but I'm not expecting it.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Saint1322 on May 25, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
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I went in around 5:30pm for GA after thousands went in. I was 20 people back from stage B. 70% of the concert happens at stage b. Not sure why people line up in front of the main stage.

That should show you how few people there are of 'us', i.e., megafans who keep up with the tour/smart fans who do research. If I saw a big stage and a b-stage, I would assume the majority of the show takes place on the big stage and a short set on the b-stage.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: JohnMegadeth on May 25, 2017, 11:36:23 AM
Just got off the phone with an employee at AT&T Stadium.

She said the GA number line will get numbers starting at 6:00 a.m. Then they will let those people line up at 2:30 p.m. Merchandise goes on sale at 5:00 p.m.

We don't care about being right up close, as we want to see the entire stage/screen, so we're aiming for somewhere by the B stage or 3/4 of the way back. We'll likely get there around 4:30.

Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: dnewton99 on May 25, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
Check out Houston vids.. It sure seemed heavy on the mainstage versus folks saying it is 70% B stage at other shows.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: weinerdog on May 25, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
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Check out Houston vids.. It sure seemed heavy on the mainstage versus folks saying it is 70% B stage at other shows.

Yeah nowhere near 70% b-stage on the two shows I saw. The opening set (5 songs) plus 2 or 3 others so maybe 40% imo.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 25, 2017, 01:51:01 PM
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Bingo!!! Just went through this in Houston tonight. Total scam. They're starting the early "GA lines" with their stupid sharpies and notepads so they can be the first on the list. It's totally unnecessary to line up the night before. They are causing the very problem they claim to be resolving. Tour management  can stop this manipulation if they use a simple lotto system like Springsteen.  Or maybe another group should show up with their own sharpie and notepad and put these con artists on their "official" list. See how they like getting played. f*** those guys.


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The best solution is to complain about the line to the venue. Otherwise the venues are just buying these line people's BS. If they see it isn't working well, it will be an issue. Unfortunately for rose bowl, they decided to side with the line people and aside from "the first 500" they left all other GA attendees in the dark.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 25, 2017, 06:56:56 PM
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Check out Houston vids.. It sure seemed heavy on the mainstage versus folks saying it is 70% B stage at other shows.

Yeah nowhere near 70% b-stage on the two shows I saw. The opening set (5 songs) plus 2 or 3 others so maybe 40% imo.

Yeah, it's more main stage. I had worked it out, but forgot what numbers I came up with. Something like, 55% all on the main stage, 35% all in b-stage, 10% split (Bono & maybe one other in the b-stage, 2-3 on the main stage).

Still, I'm short & can't see much overlooking a crowd. So I'd go the rail on the far side of the b-stage, overlooking that stage back towards the main stage. Perfect! See the band from very close when they're on the b-stage (plus they'll be facing you most of the time), & have a great view of the main stage & screen.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 25, 2017, 09:48:35 PM
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It would be great if tour management took this over.  I was looking at Bruce Springsteen's GA procedure for last year's show at MetLife(see below).  I like it.  If anyone attended I would be interested to hear how that worked out.

 2:00 p.m. – Parking Lots and Box Office Open.
 2:30 p.m. – Approximately 1,000 sequentially numbered wristbands will be distributed. Guests must be present and have
a ticket to receive wristband. Guests cannot reserve/pick-up wristbands for other guests. Once you receive a wristband,
you do not need to stay in line at the MetLife Gate; however, you must return to the MetLife Gate for the random number
selection at 4:15 p.m. These wristbands will also serve as your floor access wristbands so they should not be removed until
after the show.
 4:30 p.m. – A starting number will be randomly picked by a fan, announced and displayed on a placard at the MetLife Gate.
All fans with GA tickets and numbered wristbands should begin lining-up in numerical order in the lane labeled with their
range of numbers (i.e. 1-99, 100-199, etc.). When beginning the screening process, the fan holding the wristband that
matches the starting number will be the first in line (i.e. if #’s 1-1000 were distributed and number 818 is drawn, the line
would start with 818, then 819, 820, 821 through 1000 then 1-817). When the starting number is announced the line
within that range will shift accordingly.
 If you arrive after the wristbands have been distributed or after 4:30 p.m., you will line-up in a secondary line that is firstcome,
first-served at the MetLife Gate. There is no place-holding (“saving spots”) in this line. One person = one spot. If you
want to enter the field with a group, you will need to be together when joining the line. The Secondary line will not receive
a numbered wristband and will be escorted to the field after the first 1,000 wristbanded guests.
I was at that Springsteen MetLife stadium show and that's exactly how it works. It's great because it keeps the sharpie carrying super fans from starting lines the night before because the lotto will determine when you enter no matter what time you arrive. Just show up when they start giving OFFICIAL numbered wrist bands and wait for the lotto pull. It's a few hours versus 24 hours. People have lives, they don't need to "queue" in line for 2 days. It makes the show miserable when you've had to wait in line that long. Better to be fresh and ready to be an energetic audience than tired from sitting in line all day. It's not necessary. Bruce has a great system in place. He needs to call Bono and let him know what's up.


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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: d.darroch on May 25, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
I'd be pretty bummed if I travelled half way around the world for a U2 show, & the lotto put me around #1,000. I'm short & wouldn't see a thing. I'm prepared to put the time in, to ensure I can see. I think an early morning lottery would be a good compromise. There wouldn't be anywhere near 1,000 people there, so no matter what number gets pulled out you'll end up in a pretty good spot, & you can spend the day in line. I think a day in line is ok, sometimes it's actually fun. Would just get rid of the multi-day camping craziness, & the line runners putting their friends at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: achtung child on May 25, 2017, 10:42:43 PM
The people that run the lines need and deserve to have their a$$es kicked.  Unfortunately, that is not an option.  It's a very small group of overly privileged fans with money to burn that travel from city to city and set up shop because they think they're U2's "chosen ones" - when really they're middle-aged trolls on a power trip. It's pathetic. The men put women in charge of the "lists", because they are least likely to be physically attacked should a disagreement occur.  Meanwhile the men hang back in tents like trolls and intervene when necessary.  It's absolute bull$hit.  And if you dare confront them or don't comply, they throw a hissy fit to security and verbally/physically intimidate everyone in line.  I don't have an issue with six people starting a line, but holding fifty places for their d*****bag friends who aren't even there is not cool.  I wish someone would clock one of those ba$tards and teach them a lesson.  They're bullies, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on May 26, 2017, 07:52:24 AM
Are most of the line bosses living on daddy's money?

I mean they obviously don't have a life right?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: miryclay on May 26, 2017, 08:13:17 AM
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Are most of the line bosses living on daddy's money?

I mean they obviously don't have a life right?

Mommy's money. Mommy's are least likely to be attacked.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Smee on May 26, 2017, 10:12:12 AM
My question about this whole queing for days malarky is..................what do these people do with all their gear (seats, tents etc) when its show time?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: monopoly on May 26, 2017, 10:52:25 AM
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My question about this whole queing for days malarky is..................what do these people do with all their gear (seats, tents etc) when its show time?

Put em back in their Cars/Hotels.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 26, 2017, 11:38:53 AM
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My question about this whole queing for days malarky is..................what do these people do with all their gear (seats, tents etc) when its show time?
We had a hotel room across the street but we were also able to park a car in the GA lot at 6am. Once you're queued up you can come and go, it's kind of like tailgating. Then they'll let you know when it's time to go into the stadium to queue so you can take your stuff to your car or hotel. In Houston, we were lined up with our chairs and coolers from 6am to 1:45.  Which was way too early in my opinion to let us into the stadium queue because then we had to stand in the hot sun from 2-5pm and it was brutal. Then you go in the stadium and get your spot and wait another 2 hours for the opener to come on at 7pm. They play for about an hour then U2 finally comes on at about 8:40pm.  So we were in line from 5am to 5pm, 12 hours then another 3 hours and 40 mins til U2 hits the stage. We were in the front row up against the rail which helps but be sure you go to the bathroom before you go into the stadium. It is a serious pain to leave your spot and come back after the floor is full. With a lotto, we could have gotten our wrist band number in the morning or afternoon then left and come back for lotto pull and to queue at 5 instead of checking in the afternoon the day before with your entire party or they won't let you on the list then come back at 7pm to check in, again your entire party has to be with you or the Sharpie police will kick you off the list, then come back again at 5am outside the gates to line up to go to the stadium line at 6am. It's totally unnecessary. The first 1000 people are going to be in the first few rows all along the front of the main stage, catwalk and tree stage. You're not going to get screwed out of a good spot with a lotto as long as you're one of the first 1000. With or without a lotto, people need to chill out and stop making it harder than it needs to be by forcing people to line up before the stadium allows.


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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Spaderholic on May 27, 2017, 03:34:16 AM
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The people that run the lines need and deserve to have their a$$es kicked.  Unfortunately, that is not an option.  It's a very small group of overly privileged fans with money to burn that travel from city to city and set up shop because they think they're U2's "chosen ones" - when really they're middle-aged trolls on a power trip. It's pathetic. The men put women in charge of the "lists", because they are least likely to be physically attacked should a disagreement occur.  Meanwhile the men hang back in tents like trolls and intervene when necessary.  It's absolute bull$hit.  And if you dare confront them or don't comply, they throw a hissy fit to security and verbally/physically intimidate everyone in line.  I don't have an issue with six people starting a line, but holding fifty places for their d*****bag friends who aren't even there is not cool.  I wish someone would clock one of those ba$tards and teach them a lesson.  They're bullies, plain and simple.
My goodness, these people sound like a bunch of self-entitled obsessive nutjobs! So let me get this straight, these people go to practically every show on a tour and demand to be right at the front for every show and they have their own 'inner circle' unofficial queuing/lining system to ensure this?! Regardless of not giving any other fans (who maybe only have the money to go to one show because they're not rich) the chance to be up front, don't they think that the band might be sick of seeing always the same faces at the front for every show?! I know if I was in a band I'd be tired of forever seeing the same people at the front, who probably wouldn't be as excited or as energetic as first timers who hadn't seen already seen the show 50 times!!
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: georgemccauley on May 27, 2017, 04:18:36 AM
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I much prefer the British system. We get there and we queue with numbers purely to tell people who try and push in to "bugger orf" and to rejoin after a loo or food break. I do like queuing all day though as it gives time to get to know other fans and being there on my own it's great when I find a group to enjoy the show with.

Will Twickenham have the numbered wristband system in place?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: missey on May 27, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
Back in the Elevation tour days there were a group of girls who called themselves PLEBANS (Paul, Larry, Edge, Bono, Adam) who felt they were entitled to stand in front cause they were such devoted fans.  You could recognize them by their sleeveless lacy tops, you can spot them on the Elevation Boston DVD.  Ridiculous!  I wonder if they're still around. 
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on May 30, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

And, basically what happens is they start their line, beg security to honour it, and even if security doesn't and says that they're going to wristband themselves - they squeeze that info out of them and make sure they are there for that, and still end up there in the same spot every night.  The ONLY way to fix this is the lotto.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Saint1322 on May 30, 2017, 03:03:01 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

And, basically what happens is they start their line, beg security to honour it, and even if security doesn't and says that they're going to wristband themselves - they squeeze that info out of them and make sure they are there for that, and still end up there in the same spot every night.  The ONLY way to fix this is the lotto.

The way to fix it is to ignore fan lists and make it first come, first serve like it used to be. You don't want to go down the lotto path. There are plenty of ways to game that system as well.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 30, 2017, 03:56:22 PM
I had to take 2 valuable vacation days off for the Houston show because of this nonsense but I understand not everyone can do that. It's also ridiculous to have to wait in line for an extra 12 hours in the heat on top of the 3 hours you have to wait in the stadium queue when they can do a morning or afternoon lotto, give out wrist bands and people can come back a few hours before gates open. Or hell, even better, why not just assign a GA line number or a scaled pre-scheduled time to show up for queuing when you buy the ticket since it's CC entry anyway and you have to have the entire party there with you to enter. That way people can hold the place of their friends because everyone already has a number or time to show up. A little consideration for people who have school and work and kids but still love the band and spent good money and want a good view of the show would be appreciated. There shouldn't be any marketing value to having overnight lines, this band is beyond that and should consider the safety and convenience of their fans. Those Sharpie people are traveling to shows all over, it won't kill them to not be the very first to enter every single show. I don't buy the "organization" BS. They're purposely causing the very problem they claim to be solving for their own benefit. Not cool.


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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 30, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
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Yes, I understand the idea behind this and it's great that fans are trying to keep this organized and fair.  Many fans including myself will not being showing up a day or more in advance of the show.  So I accept the fact that if the venue allows early lineup I will not be near the front of the line.  But if the venue only allows lineup the day of the show  I will show up along with many other fans at the time the venue allows the "official" lining up to begin.  Wherever I end up in the line is where I will stay.  In that situation wouldn't it be easier for all involved to start the numbering system at the time the venue allows the lineup to begin?

And this is the issue with the fan run GA line. It either shouldn't exist at all, or at least not start until the venue allows people to start lining up, but then those who feel they must be at the front every single show wouldn't be able to fix the system and make sure that they, and their friends, are always at the top of the list. No matter what the list holders and their supporters say, it's not fair and doesn't provide a good service to fans (both of which have been said over and over by them to explain why they have their list.) It should be that the very first person at the venue when they allow the line to start should be the first person in line, but sadly, as long as the venues go along with them and other fans refuse to revolt against them, the line list will remain.

And, basically what happens is they start their line, beg security to honour it, and even if security doesn't and says that they're going to wristband themselves - they squeeze that info out of them and make sure they are there for that, and still end up there in the same spot every night.  The ONLY way to fix this is the lotto.

The way to fix it is to ignore fan lists and make it first come, first serve like it used to be. You don't want to go down the lotto path. There are plenty of ways to game that system as well.
The stadiums would need to have stricter policies on unofficial lines to make them stop but most stadiums don't have these types of shows very often so they don't have any procedures in place.


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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: weinerdog on May 30, 2017, 04:08:34 PM
Why should the venues care? Anything beyond the day of show line would be more $ and staff for them to worry about, as well as liability issues if they were to allow camping or anything else on venue property 1+ days before the show. U2 management could easily put a stop to it with the Bruce method but they don't care either.
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Texjes on May 30, 2017, 04:30:34 PM
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Why should the venues care? Anything beyond the day of show line would be more $ and staff for them to worry about, as well as liability issues if they were to allow camping or anything else on venue property 1+ days before the show. U2 management could easily put a stop to it with the Bruce method but they don't care either.
I agree. Bruce method works great. They need to get on the phone and have a convo stat.



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Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: spfantome on May 31, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
Anyone have info on the Soldier Field rules/procedures?
Title: Re: Understanding the GA line
Post by: Kmama07 on May 31, 2017, 03:59:09 PM
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Anyone have info on the Soldier Field rules/procedures?
Someone recently posted on the Chicago thread