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The Music and Lyrics / The Unforgettable Fire: Retrospective
« Last post by Vox on Today at 07:01:49 AM »
This is the fourth part of the U2: Retrospective.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login 

After listening to the album now, in the present day, the main part of each post will be to vote for your three favorite songs from each album.  The next parts can be optional (well, the whole thing is “optional”), but I’ll structure my posts like this:
•   When did I first listen to that album?  What is my history with the album?   
•   How do I feel about the album when I listen to it today, versus how I’ve felt about the album in the past?

Top three songs:  “Bad,” “A Sort of Homecoming,” and “Pride (In the Name of Love)”

In the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, when I was first listening to U2’s records and getting myself familiarized with their older stuff, this album was the most difficult crack.  In retrospect, it may have been a bit too mature for my immature musical tastes.  But I clearly remember the exact moment I finally GOT IT, which was at least a year after I “got it.”  I was on a family vacation and giving this cassette another shot on my off-brand Walkman.  We were driving somewhere in the upper Mississippi bluff/coulee region.  It was sunset, and the sky was the color of the album cover.  And suddenly, all at once, it washed over me.  I “got it,” and I fell in love with it.  It was instantaneous, and it was deep.  Today, I consider it one of my favorite U2 albums.  It oscillates somewhere between #3 and #5 on my U2antheon, predominantly sitting firmly at #3.       

“Bad” is my favorite song by anyone of all time.  Some find it strange that I can clearly identify a favorite song.  But I have known that song to be “Bad” since I was a teenager, some 25-30 years ago.  The song has always struck something deep inside me.  How it affects me depends on if I’m happy or sad, celebratory or exhausted, sober or messed up.  “A Sort of Homecoming” is a top 10 U2 song, though like the album, it took me time to fully appreciate.  “Pride (In the Name of Love)” is the first U2 song I was able to identify as a U2 song.  My first conscious experience with U2 was listening to the beginning of that song at the swimming pool in the summer of 1985 and being struck by the unique way the song began.  “Wire” is another favorite, with The Edge’s guitar riff, like a snake eating itself.  “Promenade” has always been beautiful and moving, like a dream right before awakening.  And I LOVE “Elvis Presley and America,” though it took some time as well.  Listening to that song on good headphones and hearing the slowed down bass line from “A Sort of Homecoming” slowly march in and move to the front with 1:30 left is still a spine-tingling experience.  I love the whole damn record, with the only possible exception of the title track – I know that puts me in the minority – I’ve just never fully “gotten” that song, no matter how hard I try. 

Listening to this album again for this retrospective, front-to-back, wasn’t a groundbreaking experience.  I’m assuming it’s because I listen to this album front-to-back quite often.  It’s amazing.  As I usually do for these retrospectives, I try to think about the time it was released.  It was a 180-degree change from U2’s last album (released only a year prior), both of which sounded like nothing else going on at that time.  It’s such an amazing, special album.   
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Tours / Re: How would you feel if,
« Last post by julez728 on Today at 06:52:48 AM »
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U2 announced a single 2019 leg of US dates only (and confirmed they would not go anywhere else)
I would be incredibly surprised.  As much as like the band, I don't think I would go see a show unless they came to my hometown.
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The Music and Lyrics / Middle verse of Pride
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 05:37:20 AM »
One man caught on a barbed wire fence
One man he resist
One man washed up on an empty beach
One man betrayed with a kiss

Who was caught on a barbed wire fence, or is that just an allogorical image?

Who was washed up on an empty beach and what does that mean? It's Jonah that comes to my mind, and that calls into question the character of this verse. Because if it could be Jonah, "one man he resist" changes from a man who resists oppression to a man who resists the will of God.

One man betrayed with a kiss could be either Jesus (was betrayed) or Judas (did betray). Easy to assume Jesus given the topic of the song, but if the man washed up is Jonah then this can be Judas.

So the very nature of this verse is unclear to me.
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The Band / Re: The Larry LoveThread
« Last post by Rik on Today at 01:56:24 AM »
A great tribute to Larry ("the founder of U2") by Yamaha:
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Tours / Re: How would you feel if,
« Last post by wons on June 17, 2018, 11:49:28 PM »
Remember though that the United States is a big place and a lot of people have yet to see a U2 tour promoting a new album since the 360 tour. Take U2 fans in Texas. Texas has not seen a U2 tour promoting a new album since 2009. I think U2 arena shows in Dallas and Houston for the Experience tour would sellout easily in 2019. Plus to the degree that the Joshua Tree tour 2017 muted the response to the this years tour, it will be two years instead of just one year gap in seeing them for Texans in 2019. If the band wait until 2022 to promote a new U2 album with shows in Texas, that will be a 13 year gap since the last time Texans saw a U2 show promoting a U2 album. Texas has always been on U2's tour schedule for the United States from Boy through 360.
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Tours / Re: Center floor stage set up for next tour!
« Last post by wons on June 17, 2018, 11:37:57 PM »
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The thing is, just last year U2 were filling stadiums all over the US.  So it's not like they have suddenly lost their appeal to Americans.  They could do a stadium tour in the US again, but they'd have to wait a few years to recharge the demand, and make it something that would appeal to the masses.  JT 2017 proves that nostalgia sells.  As I see it, they have 3 options for their NEXT Tour.

- Wait a few years, release a new album in 2021 or so, and tour behind that album.  Mix of arenas and stadiums.
- The E&I Tour ends on November 10th, 2018.  No tour in 2019.  Do a 40th anniversary tour in 2020-2021, beginning on October 20th, the 40th anniversary of Boy's release.  All Stadiums, worldwide.  Don't bill it as a "Greatest Hits" Tour, but let people assume that.  Stick to the hits and the key live tracks, with a little room for setlist rotation.  Show doesn't need to follow any particular narrative, just U2 playing U2 songs.  Despite being the 40th anniversary tour, the band won't play "40", because U2. 
- Achtung Baby 30th anniversary tour.  Sort of a Zoo TV adapted for the 2020s, with the focus behind on the internet instead of television.  It could be interesting, but I don't really see them going this route.  This would be my least preferred idea. 

I know you're all going to say U2 began in September 1976, so the 40th anniversary already happened.  It doesn't matter.  You can just say "40th anniversary tour of U2's first album", and 99% of the people wouldn't think anything else about it.

Unless they do some miscellaneous jaunt in 2019 or 2020, the next tour is almost certainly going to be a new album tour. On their typical timetable their next album is going to be out in 2021 or 2022, so the anniversary tours would have to be before the album drops and E+I is telling them an album tour after an anniversary tour doesn't sell so well. (FWIW, as someone born after ZooTV I love the idea of revamping that for the Internet age, but realize that at Bono's age MacPhisto works far better as a cameo appearance than a full character and The Fly might not translate at all.)

Very good points. The JT Tour 2017 was sort of fluke. They were only going to do a couple of shows and it turned into 50 shows. If they wanted to do ZOO TV 2022, I think they would need to get the next album/tour cycle finished first, and then do the nostalgia tour. The timing worked for the JT tour 2017 in terms of when the album was going to be ready and when the tour for the album would start. I'm guessing they won't be that lucky with the timing for this next album/tour cycle.
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Tours / Re: Center floor stage set up for next tour!
« Last post by wons on June 17, 2018, 11:32:09 PM »
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The thing is, just last year U2 were filling stadiums all over the US.  So it's not like they have suddenly lost their appeal to Americans.  They could do a stadium tour in the US again, but they'd have to wait a few years to recharge the demand, and make it something that would appeal to the masses.  JT 2017 proves that nostalgia sells.  As I see it, they have 3 options for their NEXT Tour.

- Wait a few years, release a new album in 2021 or so, and tour behind that album.  Mix of arenas and stadiums.

Waiting a few years does not insure you can sellout stadiums all across the United States. For POPMART, the band were only able to get above 40,000 attendance in 9 cities in the United States. There was only one show on that tour in the United States that had above 50,000 in attendance.

Nostalgia works better for tickets, but the JT tour 2017 was a fluke for U2. Their a band that is primarily about the present and future. Even then, many of the JT tour 2017 performances never soldout the full physical capacity of the venue. Its actually Ironic that the 360 tour had better demand in the United States than the JT tour 2017 did in the United States.


Demand for the bands new album/tour cycle is hovering around POPMART levels of demand in the United States. At best that would mean mostly arenas with a few stadiums. Unless they can get a new hit song like Beautiful Day or Vertigo. Then that could change demand levels.

I think the next tour/album cycle in 3 or 4 years will be arenas in the United States, but stadiums outside the United States.
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Tours / Re: Center floor stage set up for next tour!
« Last post by wons on June 17, 2018, 11:19:18 PM »
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But in your suggestion there is no front. Round stage in the center of the arena. They can easily work all sides without even perceiving a "front."

Maybe if it were a tiny round stage, but I'm suggesting something that would still take up a similar amount of space on the floor as the regular end stage does.

Are we talking in a stadium setting or arenas?

In an arena sure. Particularly if the band are working all corners of a stage that isn't too big, is moving quite fast, & importantly, is not too tall. As mentioned, Muse Drones looks pretty cool.

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But I don't think it will work I'm a stadium. The problem is stadium stages are usually very, very tall, so that those further back in GA can see the band above the sea of hands & phones. But this creates a problem for those in the front rows of GA. Performers tend to disappear if they venture too far back from the stage edge. You're lucky if you can see half of Larry from the front rows. Here's a picture I took at Vancouver 360, just Larry's head!
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To alleviate the problem somewhat, stages have tiers (steps) in them. 360 had one, as did Vertigo outdoor. But if you're going to have a very large stage where performers are quite static & away from sections of the GA crowd for some time (a 20 minute rotation) you're going to have problems. You'd need more tiers, a lower stage, or the GA rail further away from the stage. None of which are great options for those poor folk in the front of GA

Yeah, you can get away with it if the stage isn't too large, or band members are working all corners of the stage at one time (so that those close to the stage can at least see one performer). But I couldn't envisage a large circular stage in a stadium setting, where the band are fairly static, performing to one section of the crowd (while their stage rotates).

For arenas, yeah sure, a good idea.

The other problem with an in-the-round setup is that the screens are usually placed high up, above the band. For those lucky folk at the front of GA this results in them missing much of the visuals. For 360 front row in GA didn't get to appreciate the visuals on the screen, or the CLAW. Those on the outer catwalk rail could see the screen, but not the CLAW. An end of stage setup gives those at the front of GA an opportunity to appreciate some of the visual aspect of the show, though that's still better appreciated a little further back.

I meant arenas and I'm not talking about the band being static, but playing like they normally do in all shows. But with the way the band plays now, rear stage does not get to see them as often as other parts of the crowd. The slow rotation is just a way of sort of equalizing things for the crowd no matter where you are.

I realize the issues of 360, but I thought the 360 tour worked out great. I was in the inner circle for all 3 shows I saw. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work having the stage in the middle for a stadium show. The only reason they won't do it, is that demand to see the band live has fallen since the 360 tour , especially in America and they would not be able to fill the stadium in that configuration, at least in most cities in the United States now.
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News and Rumors / Re: EI DVD Washington DC
« Last post by gigahunter551 on June 17, 2018, 11:16:18 PM »
Definitely seemed like a lot more cameras tonight than at the first show in Philly. There were a lot of cameras tonight! Would be awesome if this turns out to be true.
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Invisible took me a while to get into, but now it's one of my top 20, if not top 10, U2 songs. It's a cold song, similar to Mercy and a lot of NLOTH, and while I love those songs, they also are actively keeping the listener at a distance, forcing the listener to focus to get to their hearts. Apart from the shorter show that the E+I tour has become since Tulsa, the one thing I'd change about it would be bringing Invisible back...and maybe EBTTRT.
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