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News and Rumors / Re: U2 did not sell out
« Last post by monopoly on Today at 08:58:31 PM »
This stage setup is so simple. It's literally your typical concert stage with a screen behind it
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Tours / Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Last post by Boba Fett on Today at 08:47:49 PM »
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Why don't they play Pop? Because it was a commercial disaster, the tour tanked in the U.S. and the critics destroyed them.

Commercial disaster? Nope. 1.5m sales - and that's just in the US.
Tour tanked? Nope again. Second highest grossing tour of 1997.
Critics destroyed them? Three for three on the 'nope' answers - 4 stars from Rolling Stone, 4/4 from the LA Times, 9/10 from Spin, etc etc

Look at US attendance figures. They are out there. Some shows were at 40 percent. Island almost went bankrupt. The comparison to other acts that made the tour the second highest grossing of the year is very deceptive.

The sales were bad by U2 standards. Again, google it. And yes; Pop did get good reviews initially, but the press very quickly soured. And so did many fans.

Comparing it to other tours in that year is the ONLY way to judge the tour. Trying to compare it to previous years is ridiculous because there are so many variables. And a non sold-out show does not automatically equal "the tour tanked". But you do know Popmart grossed more than ZooTV, yeah?

Likewise, just because Pop had significantly lower sales than previous U2 albums is meaningless in the context of the claim that it was a "commercial disaster". But unless you're privy to the financials associated with that album, that's a claim that carries no weight.

Reviews - again, the claim was pure hyperbole (critics "destroyed" them). For a band that was apparently "destroyed", I think they're still doing alright...;)
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Fair?
« Last post by THRILLHO on Today at 08:45:42 PM »
U2 didn't like the performance, we did. That's how i remember it.

but yea they should have played Glastonbury in like the mid-80s during the Live Aid hype. Or maybe a Lovetown era appearance? Def not post-Lovetown, they were to big/hated etc at that point. Idk that probably only made sense to me lol
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Tours / Re: No CC entry for Buffalo!!
« Last post by Kmama07 on Today at 08:35:06 PM »
Detroit is also issuing hard tickets for ga
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New Member Introductions / Re: Hola from Arkansas USA!
« Last post by U2ArkFanChuck on Today at 08:14:12 PM »
Thank you for the warm welcome!

I did have a question.  I've been collecting U2 music now for 3 decades.  And last year my home was broken into and my entire record and cd collection was stolen.  I lost my computers, my tv's, and strangely they even stole my Darth Vader toaster.  (probably teenagers).  I had collected U2 live music since the early 90's.  And I lost every single show I had.  I hoped to get back into trading live shows, if possible. 

I wanted to ask if concert show trading was allowed here?  If it is, are the rules around here?  Is there a section?

I wanted to follow the rules!

Thank you!

---Chuck

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Tours / Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Last post by cocamojoe on Today at 08:08:18 PM »
Also, it bears worth saying that the Pixiies current setlist ranges from 30 to almost 40 songs.

Just sayin'.
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News and Rumors / Re: U2 did not sell out
« Last post by briscoetheque on Today at 07:55:08 PM »
Yeah I think they'll survive to be honest.
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News and Rumors / Re: U2 did not sell out
« Last post by suppers ready on Today at 07:30:24 PM »
360 cost around 750k/day to operate (even on off days).  I suspect this tour much less.  It took days to set up the claw. It probably takes a day to build the underlying structure and part of a day to build the stage we see and the screen.  So I'm guessing no more than 500k/day (maybe less).  But who knows.  Until you see what production costs are (and I suspect what I quoted didn't include the cost of the actual claws or screen), it's tough to say, but I'm sure it's a lot.  Are they staying in town this tour?  On 360, I believe they mostly based themsevles out of L.A., NY and Chicago.  Flying is expensive (as is hotels for the entire crew and flights for most of them to the next show).
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Fair?
« Last post by Blueyedboy on Today at 07:22:31 PM »
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I'm in the US and did hear a thing about their performance.  What happened?

Oh you didn't miss much, Bono lost his voice halfway through Acrobat and Larry broke a drumstick at the end of Drowning Man. Apart from that. all good.  :)
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Tours / Re: Let's be honest about U2's set list this tour
« Last post by cocamojoe on Today at 07:22:07 PM »
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Why don't they play Pop? Because it was a commercial disaster, the tour tanked in the U.S. and the critics destroyed them.

Commercial disaster? Nope. 1.5m sales - and that's just in the US.
Tour tanked? Nope again. Second highest grossing tour of 1997.
Critics destroyed them? Three for three on the 'nope' answers - 4 stars from Rolling Stone, 4/4 from the LA Times, 9/10 from Spin, etc etc

Look at US attendance figures. They are out there. Some shows were at 40 percent. Island almost went bankrupt. The comparison to other acts that made the tour the second highest grossing of the year is very deceptive.

The sales were bad by U2 standards. Again, google it. And yes; Pop did get good reviews initially, but the press very quickly soured. And so did many fans.

While sales in many US (and a few, mostly German) cities were low, I think that much of it has to do with poor management choices as much as low demand. For example, their Jacksonville, FL show is notorious for its hilariously low attendance, they had played there so rarely before (I think that it was their first since the Unforgettable Fire tour?), and the city hadn't yet exploded in size like it has in recent years, in addition to their playing a handful of other far bigger cities in the same state.

Check out the attendance for their show in Clemson, South Carolina (this was supposed to be my inaugural U2 show): they booked the show at a college football stadium, in a college town, while college was out of session. Go to Wikipedia and look up their population numbers in relation to the stadium size. It was a dumb choice.

Yes, Europe was already into what America now calls "EDM", thus they were largely more receptive (minus some low numbers in Germany), but it's not like Moby, Prodigy, Fatboy Slim  and Massive Attach weren't popular here.
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