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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Is Little Things what Mercy became?
« Last post by Allhorizonbomb on July 17, 2018, 05:49:28 PM »
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The one place I see, and hope that Mercy will be released is on a Best of 2000-20whatever in the future.  I can't see it being on Songs Of Ascent, if that ever happens.  For the record, I hope the full version of Invisible is on that too, but I guess I'm getting off track here.

Oh God I could only hope. What if it's that compilations special single like Electrical Storm, Sweetest Thing, or Window in the Skies. I think that would be cool.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Is Little Things what Mercy became?
« Last post by Allhorizonbomb on July 17, 2018, 05:46:06 PM »
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Well, it's 10 times the song Mercy is regardless of its origin.

That level of exaggeration causes me to vehemently disagree with you, even though I'm perfectly ok with people have differing opinions to me. Mercy is the better song IMO.

Yeah I'm going to have to side with the pro Mercy side. I would even put it in their top 20 songs along with North Star. Remember when those songs got played back to back on the 360 tour, best two song combo they've ever had besides maybe Running to Stand Still and bullet. Will those two songs ever be released, no. Are they they best two songs they've written since Achtung Baby, yes.
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Tours / Re: **SPOILERS** General audience emotional high point on E&I tour
« Last post by Allhorizonbomb on July 17, 2018, 05:40:21 PM »
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I really hope the Europe leg of the tour has a major shake up in the set list.

Ditch all the ďLove/Hate AmericaĒ songs (SATS, Pride, GOOYOW, American Soul) and the rehash section of Cedarwood Road-SBSunday needs to go.

The encore needs a punch as well. Other than Acrobat, a lot of this set is really uninspired.
A few things I would do...
*new acoustic song to replace SATS (do something interesting here we havenít heard(.
*bring in Ultra-Violet instead of Beautiful Day
*WGRY Wild Horses needs to be permanent!
*I would bring back Streets (never mind all of this it wonít fit the theme of the show nonsense)
*Ditch All Because of You for good.
*City of Blinding Lights is not nearly good enough to keep returning to the sets every other tour.

What about this for a set;

Love Is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights Of Home
Ultra-Violet (Light My Way)
I Will Follow
The Electric Co.
Gloria
Red Flag Day
The Unforgettable Fire
Until The End Of The World

(Intermission)

Zoo Station
Vertigo
Desire
Acrobat
Youíre The Best Thing About Me
Please (acoustic)
A Sort Of Homecoming
Bad
Where The Streets Have No Name
The Little Things That Give You Away

(Encore)
Whoís Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses?
Landlady
One
Every Breaking Wave
Love Is Bigger Than Anything In Itís Way


I'm going to have to disagree with you hear. In leu of no Streets I think City of Blinding Lights filled the spot rather well. Much better than in years past.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rattle and Hum: Retrospective
« Last post by dirtdrybonesandstone on July 17, 2018, 05:35:45 PM »
Heartland by a long shot.   Too bad it didnít get a deserving spot on TJT.    There are others that are first rate U2 (Desire, GP2, AOH).    Definitely didnít care for Helter Skelter though, nor the live versions from TJT.   Makes it hard to listen to.

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Tours / Re: If there is an Achtung Baby Anniversary Tour, then...
« Last post by Allhorizonbomb on July 17, 2018, 05:34:51 PM »
I like the idea, but I wasn't around for the first Joshua tree tour, so the nostalgia of the tour never hit me. Instead I felt really out of place at the show and with my generation, so I would like to say, please no more nostalgia or old album tours. That's just my opinion on the matter.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: The Joshua Tree is over-rated
« Last post by jgrooms on July 17, 2018, 05:11:52 PM »
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I find it tedious and lacking of innovation and the staying power of the 90's albums.

I think Achtung Baby and Pop (lyrically their best and musically their most creative albums) deserve the top spots then UF/War/Zooropa/JT in any order.

Well that is fine we all have our favorites.  But if it weren't for TJT U2 would not have had the freedom, money or inspiration/desire to make AB.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: The Joshua Tree is over-rated
« Last post by dirtdrybonesandstone on July 17, 2018, 05:11:22 PM »
TJT has the best Side Two of any album ever.   That combined with Streets and Bullet on Side One easily puts it at the top of my list.    I was never a big fan of WOWY or ISHFWILF but at least recognize the significance of the latter. 
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Tours / Re: Why LiveNation?
« Last post by Boba Fett on July 17, 2018, 04:21:08 PM »
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What services do LV provide to U2, and what do they get in return?

I understand they finance the tours, but U2 have the money to do it themselves. Why not do that and take more profit$$$? Why split the pie with LN, and additionally be beholden to some contract, when U2 of all people can be their own boss?

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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by Tortuga on July 17, 2018, 03:51:52 PM »
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Thanks, wons.  These are sobering stats.  I have been fascinated by this thread because it offers a glimpse of how many of "us" there are out there.  A dwindling amount, it appears.

My pleasure! So 319,000 people purchased the album in either a physical or digital format. A much smaller group of people either streamed or puchased individual tracks from the album equivalent to maybe another 30,000 albums sold. Billboard considers the sale of 10 individual track downloads to = One album sold. Billboard considers 1,500 streams = to One Album sold.

The POP album was considered a poor seller back in 1997 by U2's standards and industry standards at the time. But at least everyone who purchased a ticket for POPMART purchased one copy of the POP album. I'm not exactly sure about this, but it seems like only 1/2 or 1/3 of the people who went to see the Experience Tour purchased the album or listened to it. That seems odd considering that most of the fanbase knows a tour like this is not a nostalgia event but is about the new album primarily.

Wons,

Iíve asked this before but you never answered.  By default, didnít EVERYONE who bought a ticket for E&I buy the CD as well?  Or are you saying the 319,000 includes those sales and there were 400K to 600K who bought tickets.   Meaning only 1/3 to 1/2 redeemed their included CD,  less the people who didnít buy tickets but bought the CD.


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No.

Only a fraction of the people who purchased TICKETS for the tour got the album in a digital or physical format FROM their TICKET PURCHASE. That number, is then added to sales of the album that occurred, 1. through online stores for digital formats and physical formats and 2.  people who went to a physical store to pick up a physical copy of the album.

So album sales came from three sources:
1. Album/ticket bundle
2. online sales of digital and physical formats
3. Physical stores selling a physical copy of the album

All 3 of those combine for a total of 319,000 in sales.

The number of tickets sold for the tour in the United States was 438,059. I don't know the exact figure, but it could be as little as 50,000 of ticket buyers redeeming the album and getting in digital or physical format with the purchase of the ticket.

One important thing is, you could NOT use the ticket purchase to get DELUXE album version of the album. The only way to get the DELUXE version of the album was to purchase it from an online store or a physical store.

Personally, I'm responsible for 3 of the albums in the 319,000 album total since I purchased the DELUXE version of the album at the local record store and then redeemed each of the two tickets I purchased for a copy of the album. The copy of the album offered is just the regular album with only 13 tracks. I kept one and gave the other one away.


Its not clear what the exact breakdown of the 319,000 is in terms of what and how people got their albums. I might be able to dig up some of that data for the first week of sales which were 180,000, more than half the total. The breaking down between physical vs digital formats is probably 50/50.


I hope that makes it clear.

So, to me, that just indicates that my preferences are not uncommon.  There are a lot of people out there that have no use for a physical disc.  I canít remember if my ticket offered a digital download or CD, but I think it was just CD.



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Every person who purchased a ticket had the option to get the album in digital format or physical format. All sales are physical and digital combined. My argument here has NEVER been about CD's(which you mysteriously continue to talk about) or specifically any physical product. A digital album sold is the same as a physical cd or record sold. What is not the same is streaming.

Your preference though is to stream the music which is NOT the same as purchasing the album in a digital format. Purchasing the album, regardless of format is all the same. Streaming is an entirely different thing.

90% of the people, which does not include YOU, purchased this album in either a digital or physical format. Your group, the streamers, comprise less than 10% of the people who have listened to the album.

So when it comes to U2 fans who have listened to Songs Of Experience, your preference for streaming as opposed to purchasing the album, is very uncommon.

I do realize digital copy and CD is the same as far as sales.  Thatís why I asked if a digital copy or CD was offered with the ticket.

So you have your answer then donít you?  A large percentage of the fans who went to the show are uninterested in the new album.  I donít really find that surprising.  Most people that go to shows like U2 are going for legacy reasons.  The latest album has not received alot of mainstream attention.


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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rattle and Hum: Retrospective
« Last post by miracle_al on July 17, 2018, 03:48:53 PM »
Heartland is so great.  Quite possibly Bono's best-ever lyric, and one of his best vocal performances, IMHO.  That song has such a great feel to it.  It would have fit right in on TJT.
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