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Title: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on January 25, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Vote on whether or not you are a fan of U2 being involved in politics or if they should stay out of it as far as the band and the music is concerned. 
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Argo on January 25, 2018, 06:47:45 PM
Given the live version of Sunday Bloody Sunday from R&H was what drew me into U2, the politics has been a pretty important ingredient. What did Adam say in R&H before Bullet...

If they didn't do the politics stuff, we would have another 50 songs about Ali.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Vox on January 26, 2018, 08:45:55 AM
Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be bias tilt in all the response options.

Sure, U2 can say whatever they please.  Everyone has the right to express their opinions.  Artists do it for living.

That being said, in music, for example, you know you're probably going to hear more political songs from Rage Against the Machine than you would with Debbie Gibson.  With U2, you can expect there will be some politics, from time to time.  Always has.  I'm a grown adult -- I can decide whether or not to agree. 

It's not like I listen to Dr. Dre's The Chronic and think that all the topics covered there are something I need to believe in or buy into.  It's music.  It's art.   
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: davis on January 27, 2018, 05:07:51 PM
 I won't vote because of the bias in the poll.  U2 have been political forever and I hope they never change.  In fact, I wish Bono hadn't spent most of this century equivocating about US politics in order to get Republicans on board with debt relief and Aids assistance. 
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: emuhunter on January 29, 2018, 11:10:03 AM
Although I voted for "No. U2 having a microphone gives them the right to voice thier opinion over others" I perceive bias in the wording of the survey so if you want a real answer maybe try this again in a neutral way Hustoninut.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Luzita on January 29, 2018, 11:42:00 AM
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Although I voted for "No. U2 having a microphone gives them the right to voice thier opinion over others" I perceive bias in the wording of the survey so if you want a real answer maybe try this again in a neutral way Hustoninut.

I also voted for this option but with objections over the wording. The correct wording would be more like: ďNo. U2 have a right to express their opinion just like anybody else.Ē

I realize that because of their art U2 have a bigger platform than most, and some might feel thatís unfair, which is probably what youíre getting at with your wording.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: JTNash on January 29, 2018, 02:56:57 PM
Hate to point out the obvious but we donít get a vote in this.  And...they have been political for 42 years they are not stoping
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: linds61119 on January 29, 2018, 03:40:19 PM
Of course they have the right to say what they want, that's what being an artist is. I just tend to dislike the political songs, pretty much all of them. Never a huge fan of Bullet, American Soul is the only song I skip on SOE. I know there are political undertones in a lot of their songs, but the obvious ones are usually a dislike for me. I'd much rather hear songs about other universal themes.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: JTNash on January 29, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
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Of course they have the right to say what they want, that's what being an artist is. I just tend to dislike the political songs, pretty much all of them. Never a huge fan of Bullet, American Soul is the only song I skip on SOE. I know there are political undertones in a lot of their songs, but the obvious ones are usually a dislike for me. I'd much rather hear songs about other universal themes.
that sucks your missing some of their best music
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: ian ryan on January 30, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
"...voice their opinion over others". With that addition, I can't vote for any of them. They're voicing their opinion in the medium that they've earned after 40 years of work, not over others.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on February 01, 2018, 12:58:56 PM
OK... Thank you for everyone that has "voted" and replied.  Yes!!!  Of course the answers were biased.  That was the point. :)  I was simply trying to show that U2 has moved from a band whose music united millions, everyone of us here is here because we love the music, to just another, "stuck in a moment" political activist group that is dividing us.  Look at the votes... they are divisive.  Yes... U2 has been a political band since Boy, but boy oh boy have they taken it to a new level.  The past was Bono, taking 10 minutes out of a concert to plug RED or get water to African countries, or to free a political prisoner.  Things that may have only divided a less than 1% of the population from the cause.  That was fine.  Now, however, not a moment goes by where "the message" is not part of the act.  That's sad.  It's sad because U2's music and lyrics have been a huge part of my life. That's because the translation of the songs were left up to me and they had meaning in my life.  For those who say U2 is a "political band, deal with it," I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  If you all make your personal top 10 list of U2 songs ever you won't find the politics in hardly any of them.  What I mean by that is most people don't like the songs for the message.  For example, Sunday Bloody Sunday is a pretty darn hard political song.  But seriously... How many of you when you hear it think, "Darn those British paratroopers!!!  I can't stand England!  Long live the I.R.A."  Really???  How many?  When you hear "Raised by Wolves" are you ticked off that whoever it was that planted the car bomb have never been brought to justice?  NO!!!  You're not. 

SEE!!!  Divisive.  So my little poll here was nothing more than a social experiment and it proved what I thought.  Some of us agree with U2 that President Trump is terrible and a racist and hate filled, etc. etc. and some of us don't believe that at all.  We have been divided by the band that has preached unity over and over again.  Finally, I just have to ask... To all of you who are on the side that believe Trump is the worst thing ever, the following questions???
Is it getting better? Or do you feel the same?  Does it make it easier on you now, you've got someone to blame? 

Here's to hoping U2 gets out of their own way and unites us with music and stops dividing us with words.  Until then.  Rock on!  U2 still the greatest ever.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: singnomore on February 01, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
Guys - we avoid getting into political discussion and this is bordering on going the wrong way (hence Iíve edited)

Hustoninet - can I suggest you check out our forum rules if you havenít already.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,22535.0.html
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on February 02, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
Sorry.  We can remove the whole post if needed.  I for one won't express any additional political opinions.  Interesting though how it's been argued by so many that U2 is and always has been political and yet the rules in the U2 Forum are to remain non-political.  Why?  Because clearly politics is a dividing topic and division shouldn't be the goal or the result.    I wish Bono could understand that.  Again... Sorry this headed in that direction, it wasn't my intent.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Sunchild on February 02, 2018, 03:47:49 AM
I would say that talking dettached about political approach to art instead of our on own political preferences can be a valuable conversation based on existence of it, as for the topic, I find it interesting that U2 are not the only ones so much attached to their political ideology in their music now, many other artists doing the same, to me what is really daring and courageous at this age, and even counter-cultural and punk rock thing to do, is to go against the grain, do the opposite, perhaps turning to politics, but actually sending a message about having faith in good outcome, not to fear about the future, but to trust in God. So easy to be played by the outside noises of the world, if someone else is dividing us, be it governments or artists, why being like them and repeat their deeds , instead it can be us who are turning the tide, there is a reason it's more challenging to turn within and listen to our own voice, a voice that is a lot more uniting and harmonious, that is to me the daring thing to do now, especially for artists.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on February 02, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
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I would say that talking dettached about political approach to art instead of our on own political preferences can be a valuable conversation based on existence of it, as for the topic, I find it interesting that U2 are not the only ones so much attached to their political ideology in their music now, many other artists doing the same, to me what is really daring and courageous at this age, and even counter-cultural and punk rock thing to do, is to go against the grain, do the opposite, perhaps turning to politics, but actually sending a message about having faith in good outcome, not to fear about the future, but to trust in God. So easy to be played by the outside noises of the world, if someone else is dividing us, be it governments or artists, why being like them and repeat their deeds , instead it can be us who are turning the tide, there is a reason it's more challenging to turn within and listen to our own voice, a voice that is a lot more uniting and harmonious, that is to me the daring thing to do now, especially for artists.

I agree with a lot of what you said Sunchild.  It would be extremely interesting thing to see an artist/band/singer take the "against the popular opinion" and see how that is received mainstream.  Imagine what would have happened at the Grammy's last week if some Hip-Hop artist came out and started rapping about how great this last year has been for the economy of the U.S. and tried to start a "build a wall" chant.  It would have been "counter-culture, punk-rock" to do, for sure, but they probably wouldn't have made it off the stage or out of the building. It sure would have been entertaining though.  : )
Another example and why I have an actual concern about U2.  This past year I finally had the chance to go see Roger Waters in Las Vegas.  Pink Floyd has been a distant 2nd or 3rd behind U2 as far as music that I grew up with.  I decided to skip the Joshua Tree tour and go see Waters because I had never seen him live before and I knew I would be seeing U2 again this year.  I'm SOOO sorry that I did it.  The music was still the music, the guitar still had the same haunting deep sounds, and the voice was still there, but the message was unbearable.  Here was a rock icon, playing to a stadium of people, that typically would have been sold out, but now wasn't because he had turned away from his original message and tried to define another's agenda.  There were actually moments where when video was shown on the great big screen, you could here the audible displeasure of people like me, who had spent over $1,000 to get to this concert.  It should have been a hi-light of my music experiences.  Instead, I just couldn't wait until it was over.  If it were a tangible product I would have returned it and demanded a refund.  I am just worried that we may be in for the same experience with U2's tour.  I really hope not, but from what has been happening lately it wouldn't surprise me.  I for one, just feel if someone, anyone, would like to hold an anti-government rally, should be able to do that anytime they want and I would defend their right AS AMERICANS in America to do so.  If they wanted to invite a band like U2 to come to this rally then by all means... Go for it.  The turn out would be incredible.  But, when I pay my money to go to a concert, the last thing I want it to attend is a political rally.  It should be a time to put the typical cares of the world at the door... An escape from it all and a time to get lost in the memories of the music and the brilliance of the show.  Sure hoping that we end up getting a bit more of the artist and less of the activist at the concerts.  Thanks for your reply. I thought it was quite an insightful take on it all.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Beneathadesertsky on February 12, 2018, 03:44:25 PM
Be impartial. If you are going to speak out point out the evils on both sides not just one side.

The way they did EXIT for me was a perfect way to put politics into it and still be entertaining while not losing the message.

That is all I will say :)
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: u2live on February 13, 2018, 06:23:37 AM
U2 kinda reminds me of the DEM party of today which lost touch with the common folk
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on February 21, 2018, 11:06:24 AM
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U2 kinda reminds me of the DEM party of today which lost touch with the common folk

Exactly... So what do they do?  They get music artists, athletes, and actors to try and spread the "message."  The most detached from reality are reacting to a false narrative they believe is real.  It's not their fault really.  It's just what they are good at... Thinking, acting, performing, and saying what someone else tells them to is their job.  Everyone of them has a personal manager, a publicist, a script, etc. etc.  I thought and still hold on to the belief that U2 is somewhat different and one of the exceptions to that but that has become very difficult to believe with lyrics like "The showman prays his heartache will chart."  Since when does Bono/U2 care about charts?  The publicity stunts to try and get "new fans" over the past several years is almost insulting to "true fans" who are supposed to be able to purchase tickets to the concerts... for an average price of $250/per seat.  I guess the god U2 believes in isn't short of cash and they want to make sure they aren't either.  Love the songs.  Love the past more.  Holding on to hope that this upcoming tour is actually a U2 concert and not an anti-Trump rally.  That is all.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: u2live on February 21, 2018, 11:57:00 AM
It is an insult to the fans who were there from way back.  The true fans don't care where the songs chart as long as we love them, if they chart it's a bonus.  Although when you sacrifice tunes for throwaway pop songs especially when it's to bring in a younger audience who doesn't buy albums or pays up the hundreds to attend the concerts then what's the point? 
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: popsadie on February 22, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
"The showman prays his heartache will chart", Er..I'm not sure quoting an ironic song lyric is the best support for your opinion. Personally, I'm thankful for the younger audience that came in with HTDAAB and NLOTH. It's kept the floor more lively than most shows that have featured 40 year in existence bands. I do feel that tickets have risen too much in price, but I'm always happy for new fans to come on board, even if it means competition for the so called "true fans." Besides, in some fan views, even my 21 year fanship could be called into question.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Hustoninut on February 22, 2018, 03:09:04 PM
@u2live... Your observation of "a throwaway pop song" is exactly right. 
@ popsadie... I get what your saying about an "ironic song lyric" but I don't believe Bono takes any of his lyrics lightly.  I think that one line in that song says A LOT about where his head is and has been lately.  Don't get me wrong, I really like the song.  I think it's one of the better songs on SOE precisely for the same reason I'm criticizing it.  It seems to be one of the truer to the emotion of the band than others.  Another and maybe a better example of what I'm saying is having a song where Kendrick Lamar does the intro and U2 have a few lines on Kendrick's CD.  Why?  Because these two are kindred artists that just felt a need to collaborate on their art?  No... It's because a record label/producer thought it was a good idea and may cross sell. (BTW, I like K.L. too but I doubt anyone will remember who he is 30 years from now) I'm all for new or younger U2 fans, but I just don't think there was anything wrong with what U2 was doing to gain new fans for the past 30 years.  Just put out great music that is from the heart and soul and it will connect with people.  They don't need gimmicks like putting the music on everyone's I-POD.  I guess what I'm saying is if it ain't broke don't fix it.  U2 is the greatest band ever because they are... Not because they "sold" someone on it.  I guess the evidence will be this tour.  Typically U2 sells out every venue and it's always a packed house.  This time around it sure seems like there is still A LOT of availability.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: u2live on February 23, 2018, 06:19:14 AM
haven't missed a tour in 30 years but I'm skipping this one and ticket prices is a major reason............
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Vox on February 23, 2018, 10:35:03 AM
I think it's odd how some people seem surprised and hurt on U2's response to the current political situation. 

Back in the 80's, I was from a family of big Reagan supporters.  There was no doubt where U2 stood on a lot of his issues.  I took it and left it.  It was what it was.  After listening to this band for three decades, at this point I'm not surprised at anything Bono says.  I know where he's coming from.  He's been consistent.   

I don't think it should be surprise to anyone what U2's response is to someone who is in the current leadership in the United States.  A man, from his own tweets isn't a turn the other cheek sort of person and seems to seems to enjoy singling large swaths of people out...  I'm surprised people seem so wounded by it now.  Take it and leave it, if you enjoy the sound of the music.  Because if you've listen to the lyrics of the music, since the get-go, it shouldn't be a surprise where they would stand on what's going on right now.

Personally, I look at it like when I listen to a lot of hip hop...  I don't agree with a lot of what they say, but I like the music and the beat enough...  I'm not fragile enough that it upsets me and I know what I'm getting in to... 

Just my nickel and dime on the matter. 
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: Beneathadesertsky on February 23, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
At least the band will embrace all their fans. Another band I like and have liked for a very long time put out a post on social media saying if you are a Trump supporter or voted for Trump we don't want you as a fan or something like that.

That's horrible to pass judgement on them for who they voted for....It doesn't make them bad people. They may differ from you in your beliefs but you don't shun them. I respect U2 for not doing a similar thing. They may be critical of the president but their fans are their fans. Conservative, Libertarian, Progressive it doesn't matter its the love of the music that brings us together. Like I said in a earlier post them doing EXIT during the Joshua Tree tour was perfect. You got the point across without cramming it down everyone's throats and made it a kick ass performance every night as a result.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: popsadie on February 23, 2018, 09:01:18 PM
The thing is, U2's interest in Lamar doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Their musical forms may differ, but their ideologies share similarities. Both artist are interested in using music as a form for sharing and exploring their political AND religious ideas, and both seem to be more like reformers than revolutionaries. Musically, I have a hard time relating to hip-hop, but ideologically, I'm on board with a lot of what Kendrick has to say. I suspect members of U2 are as well.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: ian ryan on February 25, 2018, 02:11:24 AM
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The thing is, U2's interest in Lamar doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Their musical forms may differ, but their ideologies share similarities. Both artist are interested in using music as a form for sharing and exploring their political AND religious ideas, and both seem to be more like reformers than revolutionaries. Musically, I have a hard time relating to hip-hop, but ideologically, I'm on board with a lot of what Kendrick has to say. I suspect members of U2 are as well.

Yep. Two different genres, but two very similar energies and motivations.
Title: Re: U2 and Politics Take the poll
Post by: u2live on February 25, 2018, 01:25:56 PM
Sadly, this is the first U2 album since I've liked the band that can't bring myself to purchasing.