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Title: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: BalconyTV on February 07, 2018, 11:47:37 PM
A great interview with him here. Recommend

http://www.vulture.com/2018/02/quincy-jones-in-conversation.html

On U2...

When I go to Dublin, Bono makes me stay at his castle because Ireland is so racist. Bonos my brother, man. He named his son after me.

Is U2 still making good music?
[Shakes head.]

Why not?
I dont know. I love Bono with all my heart, but theres too much pressure on the band. Hes doing good work all over the world.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: ITM on February 08, 2018, 12:03:54 AM
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A great interview with him here. Recommend

http://www.vulture.com/2018/02/quincy-jones-in-conversation.html

On U2...

When I go to Dublin, Bono makes me stay at his castle because Ireland is so racist. Bonos my brother, man. He named his son after me.

Is U2 still making good music?
[Shakes head.]

Why not?
I dont know. I love Bono with all my heart, but theres too much pressure on the band. Hes doing good work all over the world.

Uh...pass.

There's more than one comment in Q's answers that should have been fact-checked and/or edited.

Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: aussieu2 on February 08, 2018, 02:20:23 AM
Considering how scathing some of the comments were about other musicians and the state of music in general, i think the U2 comments come off as pretty positive.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: paganini12345 on February 08, 2018, 05:51:15 AM
Was interesting until he said "Jazz was top of the musical hierarchy".
I love jazz but think it's dangerous to about hierarchies.  But if he means in terms of musical technique I would have said classical musicians were generally at the high end. You can get away with being lazy and making mistakes in Jazz but not classical. Some of the repertoire can only be played after years of perfecting technique and having great musicianship.

Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: miryclay on February 08, 2018, 09:31:52 AM
Pressure makes diamonds Q.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Vox on February 08, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
I highly respect Quincy Jones and what hes done for the history of music .  I really do.  His discography speaks for itself. 

But after reading parts of the interview, all the way from his talk about the Beatles, to Marlon Brando and Richard Pryor (crazy visual!) to who freaking killed JFK  The man may have went a bit batshit crazy.   
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: u2live on February 08, 2018, 11:02:47 AM
so much for WAITING FOR GOD TO ENTER THE ROOM quote
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: DGordon1 on February 08, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
A good and interesting read, but as others have said he comes across as a bit nuts in his old age. Ultra self-congratulatory with name-dropping and fanciful tales. 
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: TheFlyMacphisto on February 08, 2018, 07:33:28 PM
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I highly respect Quincy Jones and what hes done for the history of music .  I really do.  His discography speaks for itself. 

But after reading parts of the interview, all the way from his talk about the Beatles, to Marlon Brando and Richard Pryor (crazy visual!) to who freaking killed JFK  The man may have went a bit batshit crazy.   


Except the Pryor thing was confirmed by his wife today.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Vox on February 08, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
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I highly respect Quincy Jones and what he’s done for the history of music .  I really do.  His discography speaks for itself. 

But after reading parts of the interview, all the way from his talk about the Beatles, to Marlon Brando and Richard Pryor (crazy visual!) to who freaking killed JFK…  The man may have went a bit batshit crazy.   


Except the Pryor thing was confirmed by his wife today.

Saw that.  Bad visuals.  Cocaine is a helluva drug.  And he's right -- the Beatles may have not been the best instrumentalists, but they wrote great tunes.  Like another band, I know...  But JFK?  And are the Irish that racist?  Maybe he's on something, or on to something?
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: miryclay on February 08, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
The Beatles were probably pretending. Q would be too idiotic to understand that.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: BalconyTV on February 09, 2018, 10:09:56 AM
I don't see any hard in what Quincy said. His opinion is worthy being the legend he his. He's experienced plenty in life. He said the band essentially put themselves under too much pressure. I would agree with that.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: habib2343 on February 09, 2018, 01:33:18 PM
i was thinking about this on the way back from work and i'd have to agree. Since rattle and hum, they've had at least four years off between album and tour campaigns. You'd have thought after the I/E tour, it 'll be at least 3 years before u2 resurfaced. Instead since 2014, we've had two albums and three tours. All in the space of four years. An unusual level of activity from the band. Yes they have made enough money to do what the hell they want but I suspect its the change of management that has resulted in U2 being overexposed or as Mr Jones puts it, placed under too much pressure. given the band are pushing 60, this level of activity must be a strain for them. I don't think the band has been this productive since the 80's.

the new management are effectively milking their cash cow...before the cow becomes too old to be milked. Given the million of dollars their tours have grossed over the years, u2 have become the victims of their own success. I suppose the band go along with this to sustain their lifestyles but the expectation on them to produce critically acclaimed music such as the Joshua tree or achtung baby at this stage in their lives is just plain unrealistic..

that said, I could listen to JT and AB forever....and be satisfied....
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: paganini12345 on February 09, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
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I don't see any hard in what Quincy said. His opinion is worthy being the legend he his. He's experienced plenty in life. He said the band essentially put themselves under too much pressure. I would agree with that.

Do you really think those than really run the country are going to tell a music producer who killed Kennedy? lol
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: paganini12345 on February 09, 2018, 06:23:11 PM
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i was thinking about this on the way back from work and i'd have to agree. Since rattle and hum, they've had at least four years off between album and tour campaigns. You'd have thought after the I/E tour, it 'll be at least 3 years before u2 resurfaced. Instead since 2014, we've had two albums and three tours. All in the space of four years. An unusual level of activity from the band. Yes they have made enough money to do what the hell they want but I suspect its the change of management that has resulted in U2 being overexposed or as Mr Jones puts it, placed under too much pressure. given the band are pushing 60, this level of activity must be a strain for them. I don't think the band has been this productive since the 80's.

the new management are effectively milking their cash cow...before the cow becomes too old to be milked. Given the million of dollars their tours have grossed over the years, u2 have become the victims of their own success. I suppose the band go along with this to sustain their lifestyles but the expectation on them to produce critically acclaimed music such as the Joshua tree or achtung baby at this stage in their lives is just plain unrealistic..

that said, I could listen to JT and AB forever....and be satisfied....

I keep coming back to a phase Bono used during the Zoo TV years (and that was an  expensive tour to put on): bite the hand that feeds. I guess they are now licking the hand that feeds now.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: habib2343 on February 10, 2018, 05:45:39 AM
yes but they don't need to resort to scraping the barrel. They have made a ton of money over the course of their career meaning they could shut up shop and live comfortably for the rest of their lives. Yes I guess its the love of what they do but the love of money is the reason why they keep going...Imagine with all the money they've made they could invest in a hell of an annuity that most of us can only dream of...without having to play a gig, do an interview, record an album ever again...Commerce exceeds art....and the lines are blurred now...
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: u2live on February 10, 2018, 06:42:46 AM
Paul McGuiness left at the perfect time..............
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: summerholly on February 10, 2018, 06:51:58 AM
U2 really don't have to do anything they don't want to.  Perhaps they are just addicted to being the best band, the band that can still make new music in to late middle age.  They always seemed very goal oriented.  Perhaps the thought of not touring and playing to large crowds just scares them, fading into old age.  I know a few of my own high flying older colleagues who retired and went crazy and drove their families crazy, so they are back out again consulting and pushing themselves even in their seventies.   
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: habib2343 on February 10, 2018, 07:50:57 AM
but I guess its the blatant pimping out by their record company that Quincy is referring to...I don't think the rolling stones were as productive in their late 50's as u2 are.....that said I did see Paul Mcguiness walking the floor of twickehnham stadium last summer...perhaps he has been kept on a consultative basis....
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: wons on February 10, 2018, 07:59:22 AM
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i was thinking about this on the way back from work and i'd have to agree. Since rattle and hum, they've had at least four years off between album and tour campaigns. You'd have thought after the I/E tour, it 'll be at least 3 years before u2 resurfaced. Instead since 2014, we've had two albums and three tours. All in the space of four years. An unusual level of activity from the band. Yes they have made enough money to do what the hell they want but I suspect its the change of management that has resulted in U2 being overexposed or as Mr Jones puts it, placed under too much pressure. given the band are pushing 60, this level of activity must be a strain for them. I don't think the band has been this productive since the 80's.

the new management are effectively milking their cash cow...before the cow becomes too old to be milked. Given the million of dollars their tours have grossed over the years, u2 have become the victims of their own success. I suppose the band go along with this to sustain their lifestyles but the expectation on them to produce critically acclaimed music such as the Joshua tree or achtung baby at this stage in their lives is just plain unrealistic..

that said, I could listen to JT and AB forever....and be satisfied....

60 is not old and they are not there yet. Ageism is alive and well in your post. Making and playing music is something an individual can do for their entire life. This is not a professional contact sport like American football.

BB King traveled and played a 100 shows every year until the last year of his life. He passed away just 4 months shy of age 90.

The band do this because they enjoy making music and playing together. Its what they know and what they have done since High School. They are best friends, family. Music is like breathing to them. This not a job, or going to an office to work for someone else. This is a love and a passion that is in them. This is not work in the sense that most people think of work, this is their fun, what they enjoy in life.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: habib2343 on February 10, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
you're looking at this from a purely art perspective which I respect. However I am looking at the commercial reality. If their music is a love and passion to them, why don't they distribute it through their own record label and let the music die or thrive by its own merits ? Just because an artist sells a million records doesn't mean they're necessarily good. What defines good music anyway ? Isn't all music subjective ?  Could it be they love the reach of the big labels and their distribution power worldwide ?. I think it's a balance of artistic and commercial realities at play here...

Worst thing I would want them to see is to see them pimped out by their record label in 10 years time. They should appear sporadically like the stones did and come up with the odd gem like doom and gloom every now and again.....
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: wons on February 11, 2018, 04:19:59 PM
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you're looking at this from a purely art perspective which I respect. However I am looking at the commercial reality. If their music is a love and passion to them, why don't they distribute it through their own record label and let the music die or thrive by its own merits ? Just because an artist sells a million records doesn't mean they're necessarily good. What defines good music anyway ? Isn't all music subjective ?  Could it be they love the reach of the big labels and their distribution power worldwide ?. I think it's a balance of artistic and commercial realities at play here...

Worst thing I would want them to see is to see them pimped out by their record label in 10 years time. They should appear sporadically like the stones did and come up with the odd gem like doom and gloom every now and again.....

In 2018, record companies don't have very much control anymore. Most people get their music through file sharing, streaming, other free methods, or digital track downloads. Plus, I think U2 owns a good chunk of their own record company and have for decades now.

Record companies were vital when they were distributing Billions of physical albums all around the world back in the year 2000.

U2 colectively are worth 1.5 billion dollars and have not felt commercial pressure in years. They do what they want, and the touring company and record company supports them in whatever way they can.

Getting their NEW songs played on the radio again in heavy rotation is difficult and perhaps unheard of for people over 60. But its not impossible and the band love challenges. They will produce their music which they love doing and play live which the love doing, and if the new songs succeed, awesome, if not they still had fun during the whole process. Its a win/win situation for them.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Beneathadesertsky on February 12, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
The last time U2 was under pressure Achtung Baby was the result.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: ITM on February 13, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
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i was thinking about this on the way back from work and i'd have to agree. Since rattle and hum, they've had at least four years off between album and tour campaigns. You'd have thought after the I/E tour, it 'll be at least 3 years before u2 resurfaced. Instead since 2014, we've had two albums and three tours. All in the space of four years. An unusual level of activity from the band. Yes they have made enough money to do what the hell they want but I suspect its the change of management that has resulted in U2 being overexposed or as Mr Jones puts it, placed under too much pressure. given the band are pushing 60, this level of activity must be a strain for them. I don't think the band has been this productive since the 80's.

the new management are effectively milking their cash cow...before the cow becomes too old to be milked. Given the million of dollars their tours have grossed over the years, u2 have become the victims of their own success. I suppose the band go along with this to sustain their lifestyles but the expectation on them to produce critically acclaimed music such as the Joshua tree or achtung baby at this stage in their lives is just plain unrealistic..

that said, I could listen to JT and AB forever....and be satisfied....


Indeed. I really only go back to a few albums now: The Unforgettable Fire, TUF, AB, Zooropa...Passengers...A couple of tunes off of Pop (e.g. Gone) NLOTH (e.g. Magnificent, Breathe, White As Snow) and SOI (e.g.The Miracle, Every Breaking Wave)...But TUF, TJT, AB represent a masterful trilogy that's eternal for me.

What Bowie did with Blackstar was nothing short of outstanding. Given Bono's brush with mortality, I wonder if he simply ignored it as a source of inspiration in that "I'm ready for the laughing gas" sort of way that the band's latter catalogue seems to reflect?

A little melancholy would go a long way.
Title: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Luzita on February 13, 2018, 07:52:34 AM
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The last time U2 was under pressure Achtung Baby was the result.

No, the last time U2 was under pressure, SOE was the result. I think the whole iTunes backlash is something they experienced as pressure. And the last time before that, ATYCLB was the result. In all these cases, the pressure wasnt financial.


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Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: 73October on February 18, 2018, 02:39:59 PM
U2 always seem to create their own pressure.  It wouldn't be a U2 album or tour without some kind of self-made pressure.  Pressure to still be relevant and the biggest band in the world, I guess.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: flyguy on February 22, 2018, 07:30:26 AM
Clearly, from reading Q's comments about the band - and Bono being his brother, etc - it would appear the man is fresh outta fucks and letting it all hang out. Then again, when you're 85, I would imagine the least painful thing at that age would be speaking the truth / sharing some wisdom with/about those you love before you shuffle off the ol' mortal coil.

However, I do find his comments about U2's musicmaking skills and there being "too much pressure on the band" kinda laughable, especially when you consider his reputation as one of the most renowned, demanding and skilled musical producers in the world and to whom "pressure" is something he's likely to have put on artists he's known.

As Chris Rock recently said during his Netflix concert:

"Pressure creates diamonds. Hugs don't. Try huggin' a lump of coal. Ya know what ya get? A dirty shirt."

So, really, I can't see "pressure" being a bad thing at any age if you're creative. Sure, as you get older, you wanna slow down and maybe take it a little bit easier on yourself ...

But if you're skilled or talented at anything, you can't expect to stay that way or past a certain point unless you keep at it.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: mstevensmcs on April 14, 2018, 11:27:21 AM
The "pressure" seems largely self-imposed...case in point: A 12 year, billion dollar contract (2008) with Live Nation that's almost entirely dependent on touring, which doesn't expire until 2020. The JT anniversary jaunt could, conceivably, have been an attempt at "paying off" that contract via the band "buying out" of it. Twelve year contracts are almost unheard of in the music business, where a 7-year record contract can be an eternity and quite difficult (and expensive) to get out of. We still don't really know why McGuiness "retired"....perhaps cautions not to take on too much fell on deaf ears.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Rasmus on April 15, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
The issue is not pressure... they have been under that pressure for over 30 years with people expecting greatness from them at every turn. It's more likely just them getting older and having achieved more or less everything they could possibly dream of.
Title: Re: Quincy Jones thinks U2 under too much pressure.
Post by: Sevy2016 on April 15, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
U2 like creating noise, let's be honest.

I like them coming in and shaking things up, I feel there have been a lot of faux pas in the last few years though, particularly from NLOTH onwards which we all know. I think most of the band members would prefer to stop making records but I think Bono and Edge want to keep going.

I do continually wonder what happened to Bono, he seems to have aged so much in the last year or so. What has caused this? It's quite sad really.

Long live U2 creating noise though and promoting their new music. I think they still have another few great songs in them, if only an audience would listen.