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Title: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 12, 2018, 04:18:28 PM
Here is how the new U2 album, Songs Of Experience, has done in the United States to this point:

Each week of sales so far, with chart position and sales.

01. (#1) 179,772
02. (#6) 32,307
03. (#19) 21,234
04. (#19) 14,028
05. (#23) 5,717
06. (#23) 4,310
07. (#39) 3,549
08. (#57) 2,894
09. (#51) 3,584
10. (#52) 2,774
11. (#84) 2,119

Total sales after 11 weeks in the United States is 272,288. This includes BOTH physical and digital copies.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: dougie on February 12, 2018, 05:57:17 PM
Do these numbers include the albums included with a ticket? You'd think that is over 250,000 copies (25 shows times 10,000) with tickets.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 12, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
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Do these numbers include the albums included with a ticket? You'd think that is over 250,000 copies (25 shows times 10,000) with tickets.

It includes that too. Not everyone that purchased a ticket took up the option to get the free album. I made sure I got mine for the two tickets I purchased. I also purchased two delux albums, one for myself and one for my sister for Christmas. So I'm responsible for four albums sold. But, you had to actually click on the option, and if you did not, you didn't get an album with your ticket. The album they sent out with the tickets was just the regular album without the 4 extra tracks with the Delux. I assume the digital was just the regular album too, but I don't do digital, so I did not get that.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: McSwilly on February 12, 2018, 08:45:22 PM
I think this is a reflection of how poor the album is. All this debate about why ticket sales are down, I think it is is cost and the quality of the new LP. That said, Can't wait to see the best live band ever in May
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: Luzita on February 12, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
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I think this is a reflection of how poor the album is. All this debate about why ticket sales are down, I think it is is cost and the quality of the new LP. That said, Can't wait to see the best live band ever in May

The album is good. This is a reflection of the current music market and the age of the band. If you compare SOE’s sales to recent albums from other rock bands of the same era, almost all of them did worse. I think the only exception is Metallica. Maybe the OP can speak to this as they seem to have some good data.


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Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: singnomore on February 12, 2018, 11:17:42 PM
I agree obviously there will be different points of view on the album I think this is how the industry operates these days. It’s why everyone is touring - only way to make any money.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 12, 2018, 11:36:25 PM
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I think this is a reflection of how poor the album is. All this debate about why ticket sales are down, I think it is is cost and the quality of the new LP. That said, Can't wait to see the best live band ever in May

The album is good. This is a reflection of the current music market and the age of the band. If you compare SOE’s sales to recent albums from other rock bands of the same era, almost all of them did worse. I think the only exception is Metallica. Maybe the OP can speak to this as they seem to have some good data.


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The Billboard Magazine year for their top album sales chart runs from December 1, 2016 through November 30, 2017.

Metallica had the 2nd biggest selling album of the 2017 year with 1,077,000 copies sold. The #1 album by Bruno Mars only beat Metallica by 42,000 copies. The Metallica album benefited from the free album if purchased a ticket package. Metallica did its first extensive tour of the United States in 8 years and played lots of Stadium shows. Metallica may have sold 300,000 to 500,000 through the album/ticket package. You can see this because the Metallica album had dropped on the charts and was about to go out and then tickets for the tour were put on sale and the album zoomed all the way back into the top 10. So the album/ticket combo really helped Metallica's album helping to nearly give them the #1 album of the year in the United States.

If U2 can sell another 100,000 copies of the album, they will likely have one of the top 15 biggest selling albums of 2018 in the United States.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 12, 2018, 11:39:20 PM
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I think this is a reflection of how poor the album is. All this debate about why ticket sales are down, I think it is is cost and the quality of the new LP. That said, Can't wait to see the best live band ever in May

The album has been highly rated by many critics and I consider it the 6th best album they have ever done. I know these sales seem low, but these are actually good sales in 2018. If the album can sell another 100,000 copies before December, it will likely be one of the top 15 sellers of the year.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 12, 2018, 11:52:24 PM
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I agree obviously there will be different points of view on the album I think this is how the industry operates these days. It’s why everyone is touring - only way to make any money.

U2 is still making money on the album, especially since they have a 25% royalty rate. So they get around $3 dollars to $4 dollars per album sold and have sold a little over 1 million copies worldwide so far.

But of course a band that only sold 100,000 copies and only gets $1 dollar per album and then splits that between 4 members are probably living pay check to pay check. Touring helps if your already popular, but if your not, you may only be paying the cost of what it takes to tour and only making a tiny profit. Streaming and individual track sales helps, although the amount of money the artist gets with those formats is a tiny fraction compared to selling one full album.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: ricebird5678 on February 16, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
Where did you get this information? I have been looking for this.
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Here is how the new U2 album, Songs Of Experience, has done in the United States to this point:

Each week of sales so far, with chart position and sales.

01. (#1) 179,772
02. (#6) 32,307
03. (#19) 21,234
04. (#19) 14,028
05. (#23) 5,717
06. (#23) 4,310
07. (#39) 3,549
08. (#57) 2,894
09. (#51) 3,584
10. (#52) 2,774

Total sales after 10 weeks is 270,169. This includes BOTH physical and digital copies.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 19, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
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Where did you get this information? I have been looking for this.
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Here is how the new U2 album, Songs Of Experience, has done in the United States to this point:

Each week of sales so far, with chart position and sales.

01. (#1) 179,772
02. (#6) 32,307
03. (#19) 21,234
04. (#19) 14,028
05. (#23) 5,717
06. (#23) 4,310
07. (#39) 3,549
08. (#57) 2,894
09. (#51) 3,584
10. (#52) 2,774

Total sales after 10 weeks is 270,169. This includes BOTH physical and digital copies.

Its official soundscan data posted at the UKMIX forum for the United States. The link to the latest top 200 album sales for the most recent week can be found here:

https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=133634

I had to go through all the different threads with each sales weeks data to find each week of sales. It wasn't all in one spot.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 19, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
Here is how the new U2 album, Songs Of Experience, has done in the United States to this point, the 11th week:

Each week of sales so far, with chart position and sales.

01. (#1) 179,772
02. (#6) 32,307
03. (#19) 21,234
04. (#19) 14,028
05. (#23) 5,717
06. (#23) 4,310
07. (#39) 3,549
08. (#57) 2,894
09. (#51) 3,584
10. (#52) 2,774
11. (#84) 2,119

Total sales after 11 weeks in the United States is 272,288. This includes BOTH physical and digital copies.

So a big drop down to #84 from #52, but in sales terms only a decline of 655 copies. On average, an album has to sell at least 1,100 copies to make the top 200 in any given week. Once again this includes BOTH physical and digital copies.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: jarsfan1977 on February 21, 2018, 03:16:57 PM
Wish it were selling more, but the fact that it's still in the Billboard top 100 after 11 weeks is notable, I suppose.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 21, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
I wonder how much of the U2 fanbase no longer buys music and just streams it online or obtains it in other ways.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: davis on February 21, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
Most of the younger people I know buy no music.  All streamed or pirated.  Yet another thing the internet has ruined...
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: BalconyTV on February 22, 2018, 07:26:44 AM
Folks. I'm 34. I don't buy music. Its just a waste of money in general. I have an apple music account and listen to  the album there. If I had money to burn, I might have a record player and get a copy. But I don't like collecting stuff anymore. So...thats a bit pointless too.

So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 22, 2018, 10:30:29 AM
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Folks. I'm 34. I don't buy music. Its just a waste of money in general. I have an apple music account and listen to  the album there. If I had money to burn, I might have a record player and get a copy. But I don't like collecting stuff anymore. So...thats a bit pointless too.

So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.

Unfortunately, based on youtube, U2's streams for their new music are very low. U2's best performance vs other artist recorded music is still with album sales despite how small the figures are compared to albums released years and decades ago.


On a side issue:

I understand your reasoning for you personally for not purchasing music, plus given what has happened with technology and the internet. But I think artist deserve to be paid for their work. When I purchased Achtung Baby On Compact Disc back in November 1991, it was $15.99 + whatever tax. Adjusted for inflation into 2018 prices, that is $29.21, + whatever tax. The artist deserve to be paid for their work and they used to be paid for their work.

Imagine suddenly not being paid for the work that you do, or only being paid a fraction, maybe 10% of what you used to be paid. How would that effect you and the others like you?

Despite what is fair, technology and the internet seem to have permanently ruined the fair payment of artist for their recorded work. Its just too easy to obtain the music for free thanks to technology and none of the attempts to redress the problem have worked. Plus it is now culturally ingrained that there is nothing wrong with not paying for recorded music.

Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: hollywoodswag on February 22, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
I once swore I would always stick with CDs and never buy music directly in digital form unless I just wanted a specific song. Now, I'm all about buying digital copies of things (it was actually the availability of U2 deluxe editions on sale around the release of TJT30 that inspired it). I tried a little bit of streaming, but honestly, it really isn't for me unless I'm entertaining people. I prefer to buy the music and own a copy and support the artist in question. They deserve my support for their work, and I just feel like streaming isn't it. Besides, it saves an awful lot of money for wifi access on flights. ;)
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: summerholly on February 22, 2018, 04:49:01 PM
I only have satellite internet which is expensive and data limited so streaming is not really an option for me.  I can buy digital music though.  I also believe that an artist needs to be paid for their work and creativity or it can surely only be detrimental to music in the long run.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: JonD on February 22, 2018, 05:20:47 PM
As a later 40’s U2 fan (yikes that sounds old ! Lol) I use the following tiered system for new releases:

Reissues or purchases of classic albums (especially 1st prints) of bands such as REM, LED Zeppelin, or Pink Floyd)- often bought/kept them in vinyl and CD

1. New Vinyl/CD worthy-  new U2, many Radiohead albums or other releases (eg. loved both Gallagher albums) that are outstanding- keeps me young. ;)

2.  I TUNES- albums I like but aren’t “vinyl worthy” of a physical copy (last 2 Coldplay)

3. Stream everything else.

Consequently I have found that my music purchases have been reduced a lot but not completely. If anything I feel more excited when “vinyl worthy” happpens.


Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: radiofreenewport on February 23, 2018, 04:42:49 AM
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So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.

Billboard's sales figures take streaming into account:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/how-billboards-new-streaming-rules-will-affect-the-charts-w511351
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: trevgreg on February 23, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
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I once swore I would always stick with CDs and never buy music directly in digital form unless I just wanted a specific song. Now, I'm all about buying digital copies of things (it was actually the availability of U2 deluxe editions on sale around the release of TJT30 that inspired it). I tried a little bit of streaming, but honestly, it really isn't for me unless I'm entertaining people. I prefer to buy the music and own a copy and support the artist in question. They deserve my support for their work, and I just feel like streaming isn't it. Besides, it saves an awful lot of money for wifi access on flights. ;)

It's CDs and downloads for me. I like streaming for exploring new music, but I don't think it's something I can every rely solely on for listening. Not just for Internet data purposes, but because I like having some sort of copy that I own and something to play when there's no Internet connection!
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: 73October on February 23, 2018, 03:38:58 PM
Guitar bands are out of fashion.  It's pop, R n B and EDM these days with a bit of hip hop/grime thrown in for good measure.  That may also account for some of U2's sales recently.  Metallica are now a novelty rock act.  The rock oriented kids like them like Guns N Roses.  U2 are unfashionable.
Do I care? No, of course not!
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 23, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
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So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.

Billboard's sales figures take streaming into account:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/how-billboards-new-streaming-rules-will-affect-the-charts-w511351

That's only for the specific charts that include streaming. Not all of Billboards charts include streaming. The chart above is the Billboard 200 album chart that has always been in use until a couple of years ago. Its still posted, but just not as the main billboard 200 chart which includes streaming and individual track purchases. On that chart, U2's album is not even charted, because U2 has very low streaming and individual track purchases.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: iced on February 24, 2018, 04:33:26 AM
A flop is a flop.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 24, 2018, 08:06:31 AM
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A flop is a flop.

Its a flop when it comes to streaming, individual track sales, and radio airplay so far. But these album sales in 2018 are actually not that bad. Selling just 500,000 copies of an album these days in the USA could put you in the top 10 best selling albums of the year. While Songs Of Experience has only sold 25,000 copies since January 1, 2018, that still puts in the top 40 best selling albums of 2018 to this point.

The question now is how long can the album hold on? Will any songs from the album be able to break out and get noticed? Will the tour this summer help at all? Will the band receive any Grammy nominations at the end of the year? Its too early to fully assess what this album might do.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: McSwilly on February 24, 2018, 04:14:37 PM
If you subtract copies "sold" as part of ticket purchases, it is a total flop.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: Starfish on February 25, 2018, 11:37:17 AM
Streaming is definitely a big factor. All my kids stream music on their phones, one has a bunch of digital albums purchased, but the other two own maybe 5 CDs total between the two of them.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: radiofreenewport on February 25, 2018, 11:40:24 AM
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So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.

Billboard's sales figures take streaming into account:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/how-billboards-new-streaming-rules-will-affect-the-charts-w511351

That's only for the specific charts that include streaming. Not all of Billboards charts include streaming. The chart above is the Billboard 200 album chart that has always been in use until a couple of years ago. Its still posted, but just not as the main billboard 200 chart which includes streaming and individual track purchases. On that chart, U2's album is not even charted, because U2 has very low streaming and individual track purchases.

Good to know, thanks. I thought all of their charts included streaming now.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 25, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
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If you subtract copies "sold" as part of ticket purchases, it is a total flop.

Just because one purchased a ticket does not mean one got the album. You had to purchase a ticket and then specifically select the option to receive the album. I'm assuming most did not because it was an extra thing to do and it only gave you the basic album without the additional tracks like "Book Of Your Heart" "Ordinary Love" "Lights Of Home remix" and "Your The best Thing About Me" remix.

Lots of artist add this as an option including Metallica. The impact varies depending on the process, number tickets being sold, and whether the customer is receiving the full album with all tracks as opposed to some edited version which the U2 deal gave you.

Regardless, this is a great album, and U2 fans who have not taken notice or barely listened to the album are missing out, as our casual fans and the general public thanks to radio stations ignoring it.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 25, 2018, 02:15:07 PM
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So no point looking at sales. I presume most people are like me. Look at streams mind you.

Billboard's sales figures take streaming into account:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/how-billboards-new-streaming-rules-will-affect-the-charts-w511351

That's only for the specific charts that include streaming. Not all of Billboards charts include streaming. The chart above is the Billboard 200 album chart that has always been in use until a couple of years ago. Its still posted, but just not as the main billboard 200 chart which includes streaming and individual track purchases. On that chart, U2's album is not even charted, because U2 has very low streaming and individual track purchases.

Good to know, thanks. I thought all of their charts included streaming now.

The Official Billboard 200 does use streaming and has been in use for a couple of years now. But they still keep the old chart running which is where these results come from.
Title: Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
Post by: wons on February 25, 2018, 02:21:50 PM
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Streaming is definitely a big factor. All my kids stream music on their phones, one has a bunch of digital albums purchased, but the other two own maybe 5 CDs total between the two of them.

Unfortunately for U2, their streaming figures are very low. The official Billboard 200, which includes streaming and digital track downloads, does not even have the album charted. It would be great if a lot of the fanbase was streaming instead of buying the album, but the numbers don't seem to show that. Perhaps some fans are listening to the album in ways that are not currently being tracked. I'm not sure about that though.

In any event, U2 needs a song from this album to somehow break through to the masses or get some grammy award nominations at the end of the year. Otherwise the sales will continue to trickle down and the album will not sell a lot more than it has already.