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General U2 Discussion / Re: No Line On The Horizon
« Last post by achtung child on June 17, 2018, 07:29:08 PM »
I agree with many of the sentiments shared. The alternate listing others have mentioned is tempting to believe as superior to the original.  Would it have improved sales?  That's a harder question.  But I do think it would have made the album "better".  I've said this before, but they sank themselves with the title.  They might as well have bought a yacht, named it Titanic, and sailed the world under an album with the same name.  The cover is awful too, and it definitely ranks as my least favorite.  I think what's frustrating about the entire enterprise is the fact they learned nothing from the mistakes of Pop.  Now, when I say that, I am NOT saying Pop is a bad album - I happen to prefer it very much, so let's not dig up that horse for a third whipping.  However, they did not seem to correct themselves as to the decisions behind the marketing strategy (i.e. making Boots the lead single) and ignoring Eno.  I do think if Magnificent were chosen, it would have had a slightly better outcome for all involved.  But at the end of the day, the quality of the album did not warrant the tour of its size.  Even Larry has admitted his frustration being they had the audience, but not the songs.  There are some truly great moments, but it's an album that ends up kicking it's own a**.  How it remains the top selling tour of all-time is a mystery to me. 


For me, this is where their "relevance" began to wane. They obviously had great deal of earned mainstream excitment with ATYCLB and Bomb, at least the tours anyway. But the rollout and the publicity was a total fumble.  Nobody started wondering if they were relevant until Bono started pontificating endlessly about it.  It was weird and a total buzzkill.  As cool as the 360 tour looked, it screamed of insecurity with the claw. It was literally a metaphor and physical manifestation of Bono's midlife crisis.  It was unnecessarily begging for attention and approval.  All of this being said, even if the album had topped ATYCLB and Bomb, there's nothing that could have saved them from the impending tsunami that was the streaming service looming around the corner.  That's my two cents anyway. 
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Yeah, I wish I could have experienced the shock of that The Fly video.  Such a huge, dramatic shift from Rattle & Hum to Achtung Baby.  I'm glad they went away and dreamed it all up again.  Not that I don't like Rattle & Hum, but it's no Achtung Baby.

I watched the Dublin, Ultra Violet performance from 1993.  Pretty cool.  I like seeing MacPhisto performing it.  Don't know if I like it as much as the 1992 performance from the city they are currently rocking as I type this...  Both are great.

My first concert was the 360 tour, and I went out of my way to avoid all setlist spoilers, and let me tell you, I'm glad I did.  When they played it in the encore, I lost my sh**.
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News and Rumors / Re: EI DVD Washington DC
« Last post by 64ac30 on June 17, 2018, 07:00:20 PM »
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So here’s a sign posted by U2 Brazil from tonight’s show in DC.  The only problem is that the JT30 NA and SA tour legs had these signs at multiple shows. So yes, they are filming, but it may not be the only place.

I’m not trying to be a jerk about this.  It is so easy to show folks where you got your info and let them draw their own conclusions. Even in this section, news  is much better than rumors.

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You’re literally complaining in a section called rumors about a rumor. Multiple sources have confirmed from u2 staff they are filming for the dvd. U2 does film every show, but they don’t  film every show with a proper crew. No ones drawing conclusions, these are the rumors that are now true. This is like walking into a restaurant called “hot dogs and burgers” and complaining “they have burgers? WTH, there shouldn’t be any burgers here, only hot dogs”
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News and Rumors / Re: EI DVD Washington DC
« Last post by U2 Fan of the 90s on June 17, 2018, 06:59:00 PM »
I had GA tix for the second Philadelphia show and saw a bunch of cameras everywhere and thought for a second that maybe it was for a DVD but quickly realized that it was just for the screen projections.  It's good too cause the show wasn't sold out and the fan energy was low.  I was particularly annoyed at how some fans didn't even understand the political message.  During "Staring at the Sun" there were videos of the nazi/kkk marches in charlottesville, Bono and Edge where harmonizing perfectly and I stepped back to see the crowed and people where all staring at their phones (at least on the floor)... Like it was some type of intermission or something.  The song isn't really a smash hit for the casual fan so they didnt really pay attention... but when the transitioned into Pride everyone stood up and sung along, oblivious to the fact that Bono was chanting "this is not America" at the end of SATS and proudly proclaimed that "this is America!" at the start of Pride, with MLK and other civil rights leaders/protests splashed across the screen. 

Kinda made me think that some fans identify with the band cause they are white and Irish" but don't understand the message of the band at all.  Which is and always has been equality.

smh.

Hope the DC audiance is more engaging.   
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Tours / Re: Center floor stage set up for next tour!
« Last post by achtungx on June 17, 2018, 06:56:11 PM »
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The thing is, just last year U2 were filling stadiums all over the US.  So it's not like they have suddenly lost their appeal to Americans.  They could do a stadium tour in the US again, but they'd have to wait a few years to recharge the demand, and make it something that would appeal to the masses.  JT 2017 proves that nostalgia sells.  As I see it, they have 3 options for their NEXT Tour.

- Wait a few years, release a new album in 2021 or so, and tour behind that album.  Mix of arenas and stadiums.
- The E&I Tour ends on November 10th, 2018.  No tour in 2019.  Do a 40th anniversary tour in 2020-2021, beginning on October 20th, the 40th anniversary of Boy's release.  All Stadiums, worldwide.  Don't bill it as a "Greatest Hits" Tour, but let people assume that.  Stick to the hits and the key live tracks, with a little room for setlist rotation.  Show doesn't need to follow any particular narrative, just U2 playing U2 songs.  Despite being the 40th anniversary tour, the band won't play "40", because U2. 
- Achtung Baby 30th anniversary tour.  Sort of a Zoo TV adapted for the 2020s, with the focus behind on the internet instead of television.  It could be interesting, but I don't really see them going this route.  This would be my least preferred idea. 

I know you're all going to say U2 began in September 1976, so the 40th anniversary already happened.  It doesn't matter.  You can just say "40th anniversary tour of U2's first album", and 99% of the people wouldn't think anything else about it.

... and The Fly might not translate at all.)

Eh, just dye Bono's hair "Reagan Blue" again, give him some fly shades, and a silver lame suit and let him have at it. :)
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News and Rumors / Re: EI DVD Washington DC
« Last post by EdgeUK8_my_mind on June 17, 2018, 06:15:25 PM »
So here’s a sign posted by U2 Brazil from tonight’s show in DC.  The only problem is that the JT30 NA and SA tour legs had these signs at multiple shows. So yes, they are filming, but it may not be the only place.

I’m not trying to be a jerk about this.  It is so easy to show folks where you got your info and let them draw their own conclusions. Even in this section, news  is much better than rumors.

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Tours / Re: Center floor stage set up for next tour!
« Last post by redapple129 on June 17, 2018, 06:12:29 PM »
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The thing is, just last year U2 were filling stadiums all over the US.  So it's not like they have suddenly lost their appeal to Americans.  They could do a stadium tour in the US again, but they'd have to wait a few years to recharge the demand, and make it something that would appeal to the masses.  JT 2017 proves that nostalgia sells.  As I see it, they have 3 options for their NEXT Tour.

- Wait a few years, release a new album in 2021 or so, and tour behind that album.  Mix of arenas and stadiums.
- The E&I Tour ends on November 10th, 2018.  No tour in 2019.  Do a 40th anniversary tour in 2020-2021, beginning on October 20th, the 40th anniversary of Boy's release.  All Stadiums, worldwide.  Don't bill it as a "Greatest Hits" Tour, but let people assume that.  Stick to the hits and the key live tracks, with a little room for setlist rotation.  Show doesn't need to follow any particular narrative, just U2 playing U2 songs.  Despite being the 40th anniversary tour, the band won't play "40", because U2. 
- Achtung Baby 30th anniversary tour.  Sort of a Zoo TV adapted for the 2020s, with the focus behind on the internet instead of television.  It could be interesting, but I don't really see them going this route.  This would be my least preferred idea. 

I know you're all going to say U2 began in September 1976, so the 40th anniversary already happened.  It doesn't matter.  You can just say "40th anniversary tour of U2's first album", and 99% of the people wouldn't think anything else about it.

Unless they do some miscellaneous jaunt in 2019 or 2020, the next tour is almost certainly going to be a new album tour. On their typical timetable their next album is going to be out in 2021 or 2022, so the anniversary tours would have to be before the album drops and E+I is telling them an album tour after an anniversary tour doesn't sell so well. (FWIW, as someone born after ZooTV I love the idea of revamping that for the Internet age, but realize that at Bono's age MacPhisto works far better as a cameo appearance than a full character and The Fly might not translate at all.)
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Tours / Re: How would you feel if,
« Last post by McSwilly on June 17, 2018, 06:08:48 PM »
Yea, not going to happen given the unsold tickets. Would depend on set list. If I were a fan in Australia I would be livid.
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Tours / Re: How would you feel if,
« Last post by laoghaire on June 17, 2018, 04:51:16 PM »
Ditto all the way.
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News and Rumors / Re: EI DVD Washington DC
« Last post by slarb on June 17, 2018, 03:39:53 PM »
My money's on the shows at MSG being filmed for posterity
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