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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Smile
« Last post by rockatansky on Today at 09:00:10 AM »
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I've never heard nor heard of that song. It sounds good, I like it - but it does seem to fall in the category of "good b-sides," not strong enough to make it on the album.

I'm not sure I understand the lyrics/meaning.

I know, it's weird, I never heard of the song either until it showed up in my Youtube feed.  I feel like I know U2's catalogue pretty well but may be lacking in knowledge of b-sides.  But to never hear it before is strange.

I didn't pay attention to the lyrics which is odd for me not to do.  I usually home in on the lyrics pretty quickly.  I will check it out further and report back.

Your point about it being a good b-side seems right on point.  I guess it would be a big leap for it to make it on an album since U2 has so many b-sides and this may not be one of the strongest.  I still like the song but will listen in depth further. 

Thanks for replying!

Oh, forgot. What about "The Complete U2" digital release.  Do you know anything about that release?
General U2 Discussion / Re: Is the sound of concerts too loud?
« Last post by Mark_Qiu on Today at 08:41:45 AM »
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I suggest that U2's audio technicians are doing everything possible to optimize the sound experience for the people attending the concert.  For a stadium with 97,000 people that is a f****** hard job and I'm sure they do their best.
 U2 has a huge crew who are OBVIOUSLY aware of the issues discussed here.  They are some of the best audio people in the world. U2 is still the biggest rock band in the world.  U2's forte is stadium rock and they excel at it.
But, I am 100% sure about the fact U2 and their massive support staff know what they are doing.
U2 have been at it for 40 years, specializing in stadium rock.  They know what the hell they are doing.
Yes! Exactly! That’s what exactly how I thought before I went to that first U2 concert of mine.
I mean, come on, it’s U2, they are one the largest bands not just in the world, but also throughout the entire rock n’ roll history. They definitely hired the world’s best audio crews and technicians, and they have 40 years of experience, and that makes them without doubt the world’s best.
Yeah, and that’s how I thought before I went. The last thing I thought I needed to worry about when attending a U2 concert, is the live sound not being good. It’d be ridiculous it if sounded bad.
And oh boy, at the night of the concert, even until the entire concert ended, I still couldn’t believe that the hurting exploding sharp sound is what I heard at a U2 concert. I tried and tried to convince myself that “there is actually nothing wrong”. But I couldn’t. It was indeed, shamefully, bad.

The more I expected, the more hurt I’ll be when let down.
And I expected the sound at a U2 concert to be splendid. And I was terribly let down. And I’m desperately looking for an answer, that why it was that? Why would the sound effect be bad at my first U2 concert, which has been my dream for many years since I was a teenager? Otherwise I wouldn’t be posting this thread here.
General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on Today at 08:40:47 AM »
New total sales estimate for Songs of Experience in the United States. Its at 325,000 now in total, with about 78,000 of that number having been sold in 2018.

Its week 41 of the year, only about 11 weeks to go before the end of 2018. With that being said, here are the top 10 selling albums of 2018 so far in the United States:

01 - 1,269,000 - THE GREATEST SHOWMAN - Soundtrack
02 - 420,000 - REARVIEW TOWN - Jason Aldean
03 - 414,000 - MAN OF THE WOODS - Justin Timberlake
04 - 406,000 - KAMIKAZE - Eminem
05 - 392,000 - ASTROWORLD - Travis Scott
06 - 359,000 - COME TOMORROW - Dave Matthews Band
07 - 324,000 - BEERBONGS & BENTLEYS - Post Malone
08 - 321,000 - BEAUTIFUL TRAUMA - P!nk
09 - 313,000 - ÷ - Ed Sheeran 
10 - 306,000 - CRY PRETTY - Carrie Underwood

Remember that this includes both DIGITAL and physical sales combined. Incredible that the year might end with only one album having sold over 500,000 copies.

Things are not very good when it comes to individual song sales either, primarily individual digital track purchases.

These are the top ten selling songs of 2018 to this point:

01 - 1,208,000 - PERFECT - Ed Sheeran
02 - 1,029,000 - GOD'S PLAN - Drake
03 - 981,000 - MEANT TO BE - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line
04 - 787,000 - WHATEVER IT TAKES - Imagine Dragons
05 - 784,000 - HAVANA - Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug 
06 - 748,000 - I LIKE IT - Cardi B feat. Bad Bunny & J Balvin
07 - 748,000 - GIRLS LIKE YOU - Maroon 5 feat. Cardi B
08 - 722,000 - THE MIDDLE - Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey
09 - 711,000 - THUNDER - Imagine Dragons
10 - 654,000 - IN MY FEELINGS - Drake
General U2 Discussion / Re: Is the sound of concerts too loud?
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 08:22:14 AM »
What is your evidence that there is nothing wrong? If it's just your experience, how does your experience trump others'?

Sound varies widely by location in the arena, not to mention by performance (otherwise they wouldn't need to do sound checks every time).

It sounded ok to me in my seat on my date but I'm not going to dismiss a thread full of people who obviously didn't share my experience.
General U2 Discussion / Re: How should U2 end it all?
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 08:16:49 AM »
Because we want to see them go out gracefully.
Tours / Re: Should we sit down during the show?
« Last post by wons on Today at 08:16:40 AM »
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Bit of both in Block 215 last night we stood for some then sat for some no 1 had any problems its why i hate GA go too loo get drinks come back too same spot.

Security @ the entrance was amazing the q was long but moving @ all times plenty of search gates was well happy the loos when we got there were very clean everything was run very good great Arena enjoy the show everyome tonight.

Why would you sit down at a rock concert? Also in general admission, the ability to move around is an advantage over the stiff static position you are forced to maintain in the seats. Its also much healthier for your body.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Smile
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 08:14:00 AM »
I've never heard nor heard of that song. It sounds good, I like it - but it does seem to fall in the category of "good b-sides," not strong enough to make it on the album.

I'm not sure I understand the lyrics/meaning.
General U2 Discussion / Re: Is the sound of concerts too loud?
« Last post by wons on Today at 08:10:32 AM »
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I have not read all your post, but they always seem to be negative in some way about the band. Maybe not, but I would guess your post would be in the ratio of 2 to 1 negative over positive.

And how is this relevant to the topic of loud concerts?  Comments like this are the reason I usually avoid any social media.  I thought I'd give this forum a shot but you know what?  It's the same sh** everywhere.  People are so f****** predictable.  Take it to the sandbox.

Because there is nothing wrong with the sound or volume of U2 concerts. They don't play any louder than they have before at anytime in their career. So I find the criticism disingenuous and made a comment about the heavy flak U2 receives from one forum member. They responded to that and I responded back. A little off track, maybe. But nothing different than you find in the majority of conversations between humans or in threads on a message board.
General U2 Discussion / Re: How should U2 end it all?
« Last post by wons on Today at 07:58:22 AM »
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Here’s how I could see them go, and I’d be okay with that.

2018:  Finish up the current tour in November.  In mid-December,  U2 release a new album they’ve been working on since 2010 titled Songs of Ascent as “a gift for our fans” (it won’t be free, though), to close out the “Songs Trilogy."  It’s full of slow, ambient, contemplative music (hymns for the future), and features a couple songs with lyrical similarities to the last two albums.   The album is not easily translated to a live setting, and they have absolutely no intention of touring behind it.  At one point Bono says something about how not having to perform these songs in a live setting was “liberating.”  In fact, they may only ever play a song or two from it live, a few years down the road.  It’s a cross between Passengers and Unforgettable Fire, filled with hushed chants and lots of keyboard.  There aren’t many radio friendly songs, but it’s fairly critically acclaimed.  Even Pitchfork grudgingly gives it a 7.1.  Somewhere a headline reads:  “U2 Act Their Age And Ascend.”
2019:  Well-deserved holiday and break for the band.
2020-2022: Write and record new album.
2023:  Late in the year, U2 release new album called Man.  It has mixed reviews and yields one surprisingly fairly high-charting song, but stalls quickly.  Upon its release, U2 confirm suspicions and announce Man will be their last proper studio album. 
2024: Six-month tour in support of Man in arenas, much like the current tour.  Prior to that tour, U2 say that they will “retire as a band in their current form” in 2026.  After The Man Tour, They announce that they will play a grand-scale, nearly two-year final farewell tour “for the fans.”  U2 love the rush of filling up and performing in stadiums (see Joshua Tree Tour last year), and they want to go out this way.  It’s likely the only way they could do stadiums anymore, with a farewell/greatest hits type tour.   
2025-2026:  U2 tour the globe as part of their farewell tour, hitting every continent besides Antarctica.  The final show is September 25, 2026, in Dublin, and is a pay per view event (love that idea – thank you, OP).  The final song is a 10-minute version of “40.”   

•   We get multiple greatest hits albums, re-releases, concert videos, songs from the vault, maybe an EP of the Rick Rubin sessions re-mixed by The Edge, etc. 
•   Bono releases two solo albums of low-key, crooner, loungey-type music, one of which features duets with whoever’s popular at the time. 
•   The Edge releases two motion picture soundtracks – mostly electronic music, with very little guitar.  Bono guest-stars on one of the songs from one of the albums, which earns a Grammy nomination for best original song, but loses out to some Disney song. 
•   Adam becomes an expensive session player for people like Bonnie Raitt and Tom Waits. 
•   Larry does a little acting.  Realizes it’s fun, but not his thing.
•   Adam and Larry produce an album together as Clayton/Mullen, in the vein of their Mission Impossible collaboration.  One song from the album features all four members of U2.  That song is pretty good and makes people wax nostalgic about how great U2 was.  The song climbs the charts.  The band performs the song, along with “Pride” at a few one-off events.  They decide to come together for one last album and tour, because, as Bono will say, “we forgot the magic of U2 as a four-piece unit, and being a member of U2 is a life-sentence.”

Awesome, that was a fun read!  You've got quite the imagination spelled out in detail.  I like it!

You like the idea of U2 ending in 2026, only 8 years from now? Why would anyone who likes the band like that idea?
General U2 Discussion / Re: How should U2 end it all?
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 07:57:03 AM »
I swear to God I'd need a dozen hankies to get through 40 on a farewell tour.
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