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Title: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: PieBlaCon on April 06, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
The credits to his upcoming release have gone public: http://pitchfork.com/news/72713-u2-badbadnotgood-credited-on-upcoming-kendrick-album/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video

I don't really listen to hip-hop, but I did listen to Lamar's last record, and found it to be fine. I really don't have the context/history with the genre to be blown away, I guess. I guess U2 is probably thrilled that the biggest rapper out there found them relevant enough to appear, though. Hopefully they don't make fools of themselves.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Daniel94 on April 06, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
Whoa that's actually really cool. I wonder what the result will be.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 06, 2017, 10:25:09 PM
Uh, this is really, really cool news. I hope it's a collaboration and not just a sample or something.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tigerfan41 on April 06, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
Kendrick is very well regarded, although it's not really the type of music I traditionally listen to. I have been thinking for a while that a U2 collab with either a really good pop artist or rap artist has the potential to be good, but I'll have to hear the finished product before I judge.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tommyboy6913 on April 06, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
I can't wait to hear this collab. It should be pretty dope.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: PieBlaCon on April 06, 2017, 11:44:32 PM
I mean, it's also possible it's just a sample.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tigerfan41 on April 06, 2017, 11:57:30 PM
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I mean, it's also possible it's just a sample.

Yeah, that's what people have been saying. I'm wondering what, if any, song he'd sample.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 07, 2017, 12:02:22 AM
Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 12:53:58 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: cocamojoe on April 07, 2017, 01:23:24 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Yeeeaaah, while Kendrick isn't for everyone, he's not your typical rapper. His music tend to have a more jazz improv vibe to them (the same goes for the few Chance The Rapper songs that I've heard), such where David Bowie himself wasn't shy in referencing Lamar's album To Pimp A Buttefly as a huge influence for his own final album, the amazing Blackstar.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 07, 2017, 01:24:12 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 07, 2017, 05:02:12 AM
KING KENNY AND U2

Take me now
Omgg I might go into heart failure
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Dali on April 07, 2017, 05:35:51 AM
Well, a writing credit is nothing more than a hint. It could be a sample, it could be a cover of an old song or it could be a new song, that elusive thing users on this forum dream about.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: lucas.homem on April 07, 2017, 05:38:00 AM
Cool.

But a weird combination.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: snailstampede on April 07, 2017, 06:04:22 AM
If I had to guess, I'm thinking it's gonna be a sample that serves as the backbone of a track. Even if the band didn't have any direct involvement, this is a glorious melding of worlds that I am only excited for. Kendrick's last album was great, and I'm excited to see what he does here.

If I had to guess possible samples: 40, Bad, or Discotheque. ;)
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Daniel94 on April 07, 2017, 07:04:16 AM
If it's a sample, my guess is Bullet or 40.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 07:31:06 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

Neither of those points negate that U2 have been working with rappers for years. And I think that Jay-Z is one of the best rappers out there, which is a pretty established concept in popular music. Just because you aren't into it doesn't mean that U2 shouldn't be willing to explore and stretch their experience. And if cussing bothers you, you do know that the members of U2 swear like sailors, right?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 07, 2017, 07:35:48 AM
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If it's a sample, my guess is Bullet or 40.

Kendrick rapping over Bullet the Blue, OH LORD HOLD ME NOW
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 07, 2017, 07:37:11 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about sh***t that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 07, 2017, 07:55:15 AM
Kendrick Lamar is one of the "rap people" I listen to.  His last album, To Pimp a Butterfly, was a great album, as well as important political statement.

My 18-year-old son told me about this last night.  At first I thought he was joking.  We both cringed.  He because he thinks U2 are washed-up has-beens, and me because I don't want to see U2 embarrass themselves.

That being said, it's probably a sample.  That being said, being said -- I trust Kendrick Lamar enough to know whatever it is, it must sound cool.

Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 07, 2017, 08:43:41 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.

Ok what do you recommend I listen to? Funny enough, I'm youngerish and I barely listen to rap
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 08:50:37 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
"Go tell your mama this d**k ainít for free
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít for free"

Yeah, seems like lyrical genius to me!

In all seriousness, though, I am very intrigued to hear this collaboration. It's a step into new territory for U2, so assuming that this credit isn't just a sample, we could be seeing a more experimental U2. I'm not a rap enthusiast by any means, but if there is anything positive to take away from a potential Kendrick Lamar/U2 collab, it's that.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: OnlyU2 on April 07, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
http://www.clashmusic.com/news/u2-are-credited-on-the-new-kendrick-lamar-album
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 07, 2017, 09:25:24 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.

Ok what do you recommend I listen to? Funny enough, I'm youngerish and I barely listen to rap

Best to start from the begining section 8 album - ADHD ..rigamortus and Hiiipower are standouts
Good kid maad city - swimming pools .. poetic justice..Compton..

the entire to pimp a butterfly esp Blacker the Berry and Mortal man


Yes there is cursint but matey Listen to the words without prejudice
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 07, 2017, 09:27:40 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
"Go tell your mama this d**k ainít for free
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít for free"

Yeah, seems like lyrical genius to me!

In all seriousness, though, I am very intrigued to hear this collaboration. It's a step into new territory for U2, so assuming that this credit isn't just a sample, we could be seeing a more experimental U2. I'm not a rap enthusiast by any means, but if there is anything positive to take away from a potential Kendrick Lamar/U2 collab, it's that.

lmaoooo so your only counter is lyrics off an interlude which were about a black mans stereotype in the culture of rap?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 12:04:47 PM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about sh***t that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.

Anyone who wants to listen to some superb Kendrick and can handle some naughty words should listen to The Blacker The Berry on To Pimp A Butterfly. This is as honest, as justifiably angry, and as articulate as anything out there at the moment, even if he doesn't phrase what he's saying exactly the way you would. That song still shakes me up every time I hear it.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 12:06:07 PM
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Kendrick Lamar is one of the "rap people" I listen to.  His last album, To Pimp a Butterfly, was a great album, as well as important political statement.

My 18-year-old son told me about this last night.  At first I thought he was joking.  We both cringed.  He because he thinks U2 are washed-up has-beens, and me because I don't want to see U2 embarrass themselves.

That being said, it's probably a sample.  That being said, being said -- I trust Kendrick Lamar enough to know whatever it is, it must sound cool.



His last album was unmastered untitled.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 12:07:42 PM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
"Go tell your mama this d**k ainít for free
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít for free"

Yeah, seems like lyrical genius to me!

In all seriousness, though, I am very intrigued to hear this collaboration. It's a step into new territory for U2, so assuming that this credit isn't just a sample, we could be seeing a more experimental U2. I'm not a rap enthusiast by any means, but if there is anything positive to take away from a potential Kendrick Lamar/U2 collab, it's that.

If you're going to judge an artist by their most juvenile work rather than by their best, there would be no such thing as a great, or even mediocre, lyricist. That's not a fair metric at all.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tom_b1807 on April 07, 2017, 12:28:55 PM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
"Go tell your mama this d**k ainít for free
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít for free"

Yeah, seems like lyrical genius to me!

In all seriousness, though, I am very intrigued to hear this collaboration. It's a step into new territory for U2, so assuming that this credit isn't just a sample, we could be seeing a more experimental U2. I'm not a rap enthusiast by any means, but if there is anything positive to take away from a potential Kendrick Lamar/U2 collab, it's that.

If you're going to judge an artist by their most juvenile work rather than by their best, there would be no such thing as a great, or even mediocre, lyricist. That's not a fair metric at all.

That would be like judging the entirety of U2s catalogue based on the lyrics to Elevation...
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 07, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
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Kendrick Lamar is one of the "rap people" I listen to.  His last album, To Pimp a Butterfly, was a great album, as well as important political statement.

My 18-year-old son told me about this last night.  At first I thought he was joking.  We both cringed.  He because he thinks U2 are washed-up has-beens, and me because I don't want to see U2 embarrass themselves.

That being said, it's probably a sample.  That being said, being said -- I trust Kendrick Lamar enough to know whatever it is, it must sound cool.



His last album was unmastered untitled.

Oh gosh-- you're right.  I kind of forgot about that one because it was leftovers from To Pimp a Butterfly.  Good Kidd Bad City was excellent, as well.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: DMiTD on April 07, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
FWIW, Kendrick is a devout Christian and references his beliefs frequently in his writing. I am guessing that whatever the U2 connection is -- new or sample -- it will be centered on that.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 01:29:23 PM
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If you're going to judge an artist by their most juvenile work rather than by their best, there would be no such thing as a great, or even mediocre, lyricist. That's not a fair metric at all.

That would be like judging the entirety of U2s catalogue based on the lyrics to Elevation...

I would go with With A Shout, but whatever works :-)
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: The Exile on April 07, 2017, 01:39:47 PM
These street youths, with their parachute pants and Jerry Curls and Kangol gear. Hmmmph.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on April 07, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
Decided to go listen to his new song called HUMBLE.  The main chorus is "sit down b*tc& be humble.  Among other crass lyrics.  Not really my cup of coffee and not a direction I want to hear U2 go in.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 02:07:32 PM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi6CgFBNZBg  This was horrendous! I've only listened to a few Kendrick tracks on the radio. It's mostly a bunch of rap cursing from what I've heard

MATTTEEE  Kendrick is not rap cursing, are you messing with me, this guy is a lyrical genius, he talks about shitttt that is going on in this damn world and within his culture, he is only MC rapping against the drug culture, rapping against the violence, this guy is beyond insane, LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
"Go tell your mama this d**k ainít for free
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít, this d**k ainít
This d**k ainít for free"

Yeah, seems like lyrical genius to me!

In all seriousness, though, I am very intrigued to hear this collaboration. It's a step into new territory for U2, so assuming that this credit isn't just a sample, we could be seeing a more experimental U2. I'm not a rap enthusiast by any means, but if there is anything positive to take away from a potential Kendrick Lamar/U2 collab, it's that.

lmaoooo so your only counter is lyrics off an interlude which were about a black mans stereotype in the culture of rap?
"sh** on anybody, I'm a rappin' Porta-Potty/And I probably gotta dump right now"

Brilliance.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: an tha on April 07, 2017, 02:25:50 PM
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FWIW, Kendrick is a devout Christian and references his beliefs frequently in his writing. I am guessing that whatever the U2 connection is -- new or sample -- it will be centered on that.

Welcome back
...it has been a long time!
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 02:31:48 PM
I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: DMiTD on April 07, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
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FWIW, Kendrick is a devout Christian and references his beliefs frequently in his writing. I am guessing that whatever the U2 connection is -- new or sample -- it will be centered on that.

Welcome back
...it has been a long time!

Thanks! You have Kendrick to credit/blame...I came to see what this bunch made of the news. Not much, apparently!

But if anyone's interested in Kendrick's faith, this article goes into a bit: https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/the-radical-christianity-of-kendrick-lamar?utm_term=.wnxeYDb9r#.atEqz7K81

And if you'd like a real example of the kind of lyricism and storytelling that make people lose their minds over Kendrick Lamar, you can try this one, written was he was 24: https://youtu.be/xtIr8k4eC7o
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: MattD on April 07, 2017, 02:55:59 PM
Much better from U2 - better to see collaborations with credible artists as opposed to utter utter garbage like Kygo.

Glad to see someone knocked some sense into Bono and co.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 07, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.




And it's very presumptuous on your part to think I mean WookieWarrior10 when I was very clearly referring to the people who have a problem with cursing in music. Nor are you the only person badmouthing his lyrics on here.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tigerfan41 on April 07, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I used to be super religious and also was bothered by cuss words--not any more though. A lot of Christians are. A lot of U2 fans happen to be Christian, some devoutly so. U2's music, for the most part, is clean or it's clean enough that any references to those things seem to go over most people's heads. People don't really notice all the references to oral on AB unless they're listening closely for it, and they might skip the songs with actual cuss words.

Which is fine. That's their prerogative. It just comes with being super religious--many churches teach that Christians should avoid improper things and cussing is considered improper. If people are offended by cussing, then that's their choice and it's not something to make fun of them for.

As far as Kendrick is concerned, I don't know much about his music and I'm not going to judge it. I do know that if the music is good, then I don't really care much about the lyrical content so long as it's not overly negative. His cussing wouldn't stop me from listening.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: an tha on April 07, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
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FWIW, Kendrick is a devout Christian and references his beliefs frequently in his writing. I am guessing that whatever the U2 connection is -- new or sample -- it will be centered on that.

Welcome back
...it has been a long time!

Thanks! You have Kendrick to credit/blame...I came to see what this bunch made of the news. Not much, apparently!

But if anyone's interested in Kendrick's faith, this article goes into a bit: https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/the-radical-christianity-of-kendrick-lamar?utm_term=.wnxeYDb9r#.atEqz7K81

And if you'd like a real example of the kind of lyricism and storytelling that make people lose their minds over Kendrick Lamar, you can try this one, written was he was 24: https://youtu.be/xtIr8k4eC7o

Thanks, will take a look later.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 07, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
if all 4 are credited it has to a sample, right? if it's just Edge and Bono it would say Evan/Hewson, Adam and Larry wouldn't be credited right?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Daniel94 on April 07, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.

Hang on now. Why do you think Silver and Gold is terrible?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 05:26:01 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.


And it's very presumptuous on your part to think I mean WookieWarrior10 when I was very clearly referring to the people who have a problem with cursing in music. Nor are you the only person badmouthing his lyrics on here.
Ah, apologies. I totally skipped over that post you were referring to.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 05:35:33 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.

Hang on now. Why do you think Silver and Gold is terrible?
I like the instrumentation, but Bono's vocal delivery pisses me off. Overall the lyrics are mostly unoffensive, but as the song continues Bono becomes so immersed in the character that they end up sounding very cliche.

And let's not forget the infamous "Am I bugging you? I don't mean to bug ya." and immediately following "Ok Edge, play the blues." lines.  Cringe-worthy! For me, anyway...
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 07, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
S&G is AMAZING
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 07, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.

Hang on now. Why do you think Silver and Gold is terrible?
I like the instrumentation, but Bono's vocal delivery pisses me off. Overall the lyrics are mostly unoffensive, but as the song continues Bono becomes so immersed in the character that they end up sounding very cliche.

And let's not forget the infamous "Am I bugging you? I don't mean to bug ya." and immediately following "Ok Edge, play the blues." lines.  Cringe-worthy! For me, anyway...

well that may be why you don't like the R&H version but you can't really hold that agains the studio song right?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 05:43:25 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
Where in my posts does it suggest that I am phobic towards cursing? Seems very condescending of you to assume the reason I believe those lyrics suck is because of their profanity.

And Silver and Gold is terrible, but not based off of your assumption.

Hang on now. Why do you think Silver and Gold is terrible?
I like the instrumentation, but Bono's vocal delivery pisses me off. Overall the lyrics are mostly unoffensive, but as the song continues Bono becomes so immersed in the character that they end up sounding very cliche.

And let's not forget the infamous "Am I bugging you? I don't mean to bug ya." and immediately following "Ok Edge, play the blues." lines.  Cringe-worthy! For me, anyway...

well that may be why you don't like the R&H version but you can't really hold that agains the studio song right?
But the studio version isn't on the album, correct?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 07, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
it's a b-side.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: So Cruel on April 07, 2017, 06:12:49 PM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

After hearing the results of those collaborations I wish I could go back in time
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 07, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 07, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I don't have an issue with bad words. If this forum wasn't so strict, I'd probably curse the crap out of people. But do I really want to listen to a song that just talks about ****** people and says the same profanity word over and over. No, because that's not music to me. And sadly there are a lot of current wrappers like that. Some rap is just plain bad. The songs I've heard by Kendrick used the n word extensively and have terrible background sounds and of course the other one, a forum user pointed out. But hey Someone likes  fetty wap and Designer's panda, that's their choice. I'm not going to bother listening to it.
There's a difference between "bad music" and bad music. The Kendrick I've heard is both.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 07, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I don't have an issue with bad words. If this forum wasn't so strict, I'd probably curse the crap out of people. But do I really want to listen to a song that just talks about ****** people and says the same profanity word over and over. No, because that's not music to me. And sadly there are a lot of current wrappers like that. Some rap is just plain bad. The songs I've heard by Kendrick used the n word extensively and have terrible background sounds and of course the other one, a forum user pointed out. But hey Someone likes  fetty wap and Designer's panda, that's their choice. I'm not going to bother listening to it.
There's a difference between "bad music" and bad music. The Kendrick I've heard is both.
Although I don't enjoy Kendrick Lamar's music, I wouldn't caragorize his music with those other rappers you describe. There is some depth to his lyrics writing.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Starman on April 07, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
I actually hope that it's a collaboration of some sort and not just a sample.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 08, 2017, 12:11:14 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.

After hearing the results of those collaborations I wish I could go back in time

Me, I'm pretty happy with Magnificent, No Line On The Horizon, and the cover U2 and the BEP did of Gimme Shelter.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 08, 2017, 12:13:08 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 08, 2017, 12:52:54 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.

Not too sure about that. I believe will I am only contributed to "I'll go crazy".
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: zeeTV on April 08, 2017, 05:43:42 AM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I don't have an issue with bad words. If this forum wasn't so strict, I'd probably curse the crap out of people. But do I really want to listen to a song that just talks about ****** people and says the same profanity word over and over. No, because that's not music to me. And sadly there are a lot of current wrappers like that. Some rap is just plain bad. The songs I've heard by Kendrick used the n word extensively and have terrible background sounds and of course the other one, a forum user pointed out. But hey Someone likes  fetty wap and Designer's panda, that's their choice. I'm not going to bother listening to it.
There's a difference between "bad music" and bad music. The Kendrick I've heard is both.

LOLL bruh did you just categorize Fetty wap .. designer and King Kenny
Bahahha now I know you know NOTHING About hip hop 😂😂😂
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: THRILLHO on April 08, 2017, 08:26:18 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.

huh? Crazy Tonight was what i was referring too...
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Post by: ian ryan on April 08, 2017, 08:59:45 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.

Not too sure about that. I believe will I am only contributed to "I'll go crazy".

Well, I'm sure about it, and the NLOTH and GOYB liner notes confirm it.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: So Cruel on April 08, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
Will I.Am's biggest influence was on Crazy Tonight, which is a horrible attempt at a hit by the band. I think it was in Q magazine that Bono talks about working with Will I.Am specifically on that song.
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Post by: monopoly on April 08, 2017, 10:44:01 AM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I don't have an issue with bad words. If this forum wasn't so strict, I'd probably curse the crap out of people. But do I really want to listen to a song that just talks about ****** people and says the same profanity word over and over. No, because that's not music to me. And sadly there are a lot of current wrappers like that. Some rap is just plain bad. The songs I've heard by Kendrick used the n word extensively and have terrible background sounds and of course the other one, a forum user pointed out. But hey Someone likes  fetty wap and Designer's panda, that's their choice. I'm not going to bother listening to it.
There's a difference between "bad music" and bad music. The Kendrick I've heard is both.

LOLL bruh did you just categorize Fetty wap .. designer and King Kenny
Bahahha now I know you know NOTHING About hip hop 😂😂😂

This isn't hip hop. It's rap. I think most people would agree panda isn't hip hop.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 08, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.

Not too sure about that. I believe will I am only contributed to "I'll go crazy".

Well, I'm sure about it, and the NLOTH and GOYB liner notes confirm it.

So he didn't contribute to magnificent?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 08, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
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yea i don't think anyone is clamoring for more will.i.am or jay-z collaborations. or motivational speeches.

I'm happy to have any collaborations that make good U2 songs. Will.i.am helped them on No Line On The Horizon and Magnificent, two excellent U2 songs.

Not too sure about that. I believe will I am only contributed to "I'll go crazy".

Well, I'm sure about it, and the NLOTH and GOYB liner notes confirm it.

So he didn't contribute to magnificent?

He did contribute to Magnificent. NLOTH as in the album, GOYB as in the single that had the second version of the NLOTH song on it. I hate it when the name an album after a song lol.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 08, 2017, 10:50:13 AM
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Will I.Am's biggest influence was on Crazy Tonight, which is a horrible attempt at a hit by the band. I think it was in Q magazine that Bono talks about working with Will I.Am specifically on that song.

That doesn't change the fact that he contributed or produced other songs on the album.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: redapple129 on April 08, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
I could see Kendrick hearing Bullet on the last tour and seeing how it could be the foundation of a track. Bono's no Kendrick Lamar, but his rap-influenced delivery towards the end certainly could've given Kendrick an idea.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 08, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
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Will I.Am's biggest influence was on Crazy Tonight, which is a horrible attempt at a hit by the band. I think it was in Q magazine that Bono talks about working with Will I.Am specifically on that song.

That doesn't change the fact that he contributed or produced other songs on the album.
I know, he contributed to Magnificent too.  :(
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Post by: monopoly on April 08, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
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Will I.Am's biggest influence was on Crazy Tonight, which is a horrible attempt at a hit by the band. I think it was in Q magazine that Bono talks about working with Will I.Am specifically on that song.

That doesn't change the fact that he contributed or produced other songs on the album.
I know, he contributed to Magnificent too.  :(

All his credits just say additional keys though.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: PookaMacP on April 08, 2017, 12:59:49 PM
I can't say that I know too much about Kendrick Lamar, but I defy anyone to listen to 'Untitled 03 Ė 05.28.2013' and not be impressed by his subtlety and ability to describe life in the twenty-first century: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W06HM7JMN4k
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Will I.Am's biggest influence was on Crazy Tonight, which is a horrible attempt at a hit by the band. I think it was in Q magazine that Bono talks about working with Will I.Am specifically on that song.

That doesn't change the fact that he contributed or produced other songs on the album.
I know, he contributed to Magnificent too.  :(

All his credits just say additional keys though.

He is listed as a producer on I'll Go Crazy and No Line 2.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Smee on April 09, 2017, 06:52:21 AM
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Oh no. Kygo> Kendrick lamar. I can understand a DJ adding "sick beats" but u2 entering rap territory??? No no no!!!! Hope it's just a sample of iris or something

Kendrick is an incredible talent. And if you don't think U2 should be working with rappers, you need to go back in time and tell them to avoid Will.i.am and Jay-Z and Kanye, all those rappers that they've already worked with in one way or another.
I would HAPPILY do just that if i could. I find u2's association with such guff..... very cringeworthy!
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Post by: lucas.homem on April 09, 2017, 04:16:17 PM
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I feel sorry for all the people on here who can't listen to Silver and Gold or Cedars of Lebanon or Wake Up Dead Man because they all have naughty words. Or listen to Achtung Baby because it's all about oral sex.

But if we're just looking at lyrics and ignoring performance, playing a character, etc, read these https://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics

I don't have an issue with bad words. If this forum wasn't so strict, I'd probably curse the crap out of people. But do I really want to listen to a song that just talks about ****** people and says the same profanity word over and over. No, because that's not music to me. And sadly there are a lot of current wrappers like that. Some rap is just plain bad. The songs I've heard by Kendrick used the n word extensively and have terrible background sounds and of course the other one, a forum user pointed out. But hey Someone likes  fetty wap and Designer's panda, that's their choice. I'm not going to bother listening to it.
There's a difference between "bad music" and bad music. The Kendrick I've heard is both.

LOLL bruh did you just categorize Fetty wap .. designer and King Kenny
Bahahha now I know you know NOTHING About hip hop 😂😂😂

This isn't hip hop. It's rap. I think most people would agree panda isn't hip hop.

Rap is part of hip hop culture.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: codeguy on April 09, 2017, 10:30:49 PM
I've been pretty impressed by U2s attempts at rap. Bonos wrap intro to the World Cup version of magnificent was decent, the rap outro of moment of surrender on 360 tour was pretty decent, and the rap BTBS on I&E tour was awesome. Especially the "we don't want you in our revolution " bit, as well as the "you and me, the reds and the greens..." verse.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: this_fake_party on April 10, 2017, 12:11:48 AM
I have to jump into this.
For everyone wanting to cherry-pick a few 'convenient' lyrics from an entire catalogue to deride an artist, or say "I don't have a problem with profanity, just this specific profanity"....I offer this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQI7CHJU9k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQI7CHJU9k)
Now, I could have picked a lot of songs from his catalogue, and certainly most anything from To Pimp a Butterfly.

Consider the content of this song in its musing on life for African Americans in 21st century society. Consider also crowds of protesters singing this song in the street at rallies protesting police brutality.
Don't let racist assumptions about what you think African American males are, or what hip hop music is, cloud your ability to see that K-Dot is making very relevant and heavily contextual music that means A LOT to a lot of people.

Now, that doesn't mean you have to personally enjoy the music, but I think as music fans here, we should be able to recognize socially-important and musically innovative work when we see it, without the prism of 'genre-labels'.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: an tha on April 10, 2017, 01:01:22 AM
This thread summed up in two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cK2LZ_HhiU
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 10, 2017, 01:57:45 AM
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This thread summed up in two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cK2LZ_HhiU

Watch the sides switch when it's released
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: devilshoes on April 10, 2017, 02:02:03 AM
This would be a sample for sure rather than a co-write. If it was just one member of u2 then more likely to be a co-write.


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Post by: an tha on April 10, 2017, 03:12:00 AM
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This thread summed up in two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cK2LZ_HhiU

Watch the sides switch when it's released

 :)
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 10, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
In the next two weeks, we should have our first taste of two, ahem, "newish" U2 songs since 2014.  At any rate, a new vibe should be definitely established for the band U2 in the next month, or so. 

First, Kendrick Lamar's new album, ALBUM, with whatever this U2 connection may be on "Track 11."  I've got to assume it's a sample, as most of Kendrick Lamar's co-writers appear first in the credits on the song before the names Hewson, Evans, Clayton, and Mullen.  My money is its a sample of either "Sunday Bloody Sunday," or "Bullet the Blue Sky."  Though I'd hedge a strong over/under on either "Pride" (as a sort of MLK-tribute), or "Numb" (only a fantasy, but I think that'd be a great and easy sample for a rap song and could describe 2017 more fittingly than it did 1993, and yes I'm aware it's a pseudo-rap song in its own right, and Cypress Hill took a crack at a remix, back in the day). 

Then, the new version of "Red Hill Mining Town" the following weekend for Record Store Day.  I'm hoping they throw that single up on iTunes for purchase.

Followed by the new tour three weeks after that.  I'm curious as to how they will present themselves to how they perceive the "world has changed" for these shows.

I'm probably most interested in the Kendrick Lamar collaboration, because I'm a fan.  Of course I'd prefer a new album of new music to any of it, but this will have to do. 
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tigerfan41 on April 10, 2017, 12:40:01 PM
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This thread summed up in two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ

Ahh, that's a throwback to my youth.  ;D
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Post by: zeeTV on April 11, 2017, 06:26:43 AM
So the song is called XXX FEATURING U2

WE GON GET AN ENTIRE SONG
LORD HOLD ME
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 11, 2017, 06:54:05 AM
Had to fix my post from yesterday... My corrections in bold.

In the next two weeks, we should have our first taste of one new, and one two, ahem, "newish" U2 songs since 2014.  At any rate, a new vibe should be definitely established for the band U2 in the next month, or so. 

First, Kendrick Lamar's new album, DAMN ALBUM, featuring with whatever this U2 connection may be on "XXX" "Track 11."  I've got to assume it's a sample, as most of Kendrick Lamar's co-writers appear first in the credits on the song before the names Hewson, Evans, Clayton, and Mullen.  My money is its a sample of either "Sunday Bloody Sunday," or "Bullet the Blue Sky."  Though I'd hedge a strong over/under on either "Pride" (as a sort of MLK-tribute), or "Numb" (only a fantasy, but I think that'd be a great and easy sample for a rap song and could describe 2017 more fittingly than it did 1993, and yes I'm aware it's a pseudo-rap song in its own right, and Cypress Hill took a crack at a remix, back in the day). 

Then, the new version of "Red Hill Mining Town" the following weekend for Record Store Day.  I'm hoping they throw that single up on iTunes for purchase.

Followed by the new tour three weeks after that.  I'm curious as to how they will present themselves to how they perceive the "world has changed" for these shows.

I'm super excited about probably most interested in the Kendrick Lamar collaboration, because I'm a fan.  My first thought was, "I hope nobody embarrasses themselves," and this goes for U2 as well as Kendrick Lamar.  But I think he's so been so golden lately, it's gonna be, as the kids used to say when I was a kid, "dope." Of course I'd prefer a new album of new music to any of it, but this will have to do. 
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Daniel94 on April 11, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
Alright, fingers crossed this collab went well. Please let it be a serious and dark song as I honestly don't think it would work otherwise.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Messenger on April 11, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
If I had to guess, I'd lean heavily towards it just being a sample from at least one of their songs. And instead of taking payment or a portion of royalties (since I don't think they need much more money) U2 asked to be a feature instead.

And if it is a new track they wrote with him, I'd be excited about that too.

Kendrick is arguably the hottest artist out there (and very well respected) so lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did). I'm not going to try to convince some of you of his merits, but it's amusing to see others try.

 
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 11, 2017, 08:42:26 AM
I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: monopoly on April 11, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
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So the song is called XXX FEATURING U2

WE GON GET AN ENTIRE SONG
LORD HOLD ME

Featuring usually means it's not a sample.
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 11, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
I said this almost 2 months ago and still stick by it:

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The right collaboration with a current artist COULD work, but it is very risky and could cheapen U2 if it is poorly executed. I mean, look at the collaborations they've done in the past. Those with Green Day and Mary J. Blige I would argue were NOT good. Those they did in the 80s/90s (with people like BB King, Sinead O'Connor etc.) I would argue were good.

Are there any current artists who could collaborate well with U2? I think a strong female vocalist dueting with Bono could be very interesting so long as the music itself is a typical U2 sound (and by typical, I mean not cheap pop music). Lady Gaga has been mentioned here and it seems like some/most have a negative perception of her. While it is true she got famous as a sort of "shock" pop star, she has good vocal range and seems to be a talented musician in her own right. She also recently did a duets project with Tony Bennett that was surprisingly classy and good. Beyonce is another example of a strong female vocalist with talent (although her music is not my cup of tea).

Ed Sheeran was just mentioned (jokingly) and he, too, seems to be talented. I don't know that he could bring much to the table for U2, though. I mean, they're already working with Tedder and he's known for being one of the best pop song writers/producers in today's music world. I feel like anything Sheeran could bring to the table is something Tedder already has (and it did not work--see SoI).

But again, it all comes down to execution. If U2 stick to their style of music and decide to bring in a pop singer to sing on a track, why not? It could work out very well. But if they're going to just collaborate with a pop star and do a trashy pop song for the sake of getting another hit? That's going to just cheapen their reputation.

Like I said before, I'm keeping a very open mind to this collab with Kendrick. It could either be amazing or it could be not so good. I know fans on both sides of the aisle aren't thrilled with this collab, but keep an open mind.
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Post by: MPare1966 on April 11, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
My 18yo son is a huge Kendrick fan and he's quite curious about this U2 collab. I brought him to see I&E 2 years ago and he quite enjoyed it, even if for him, U2 are considered very old rockers. I'm also very curious about this new song. Btw, is this U2 trying to be "relevant" again?  ;D
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Post by: an tha on April 11, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
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This thread summed up in two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ

Ahh, that's a throwback to my youth.  ;D

I used to love a bit of the old WCW.....wrasslin!
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: an tha on April 11, 2017, 11:39:35 AM
Nothing especially interesting or new here but i did laugh at the description of u2 in the piece.

https://www.joe.co.uk/music/kendrick-lamar-damn-album-rihanna-u2-121177

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Post by: monopoly on April 11, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
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Nothing especially interesting or new here but i did laugh at the description of u2 in the piece.

https://www.joe.co.uk/music/kendrick-lamar-damn-album-rihanna-u2-121177

They could've at least used a real picture of bono...
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 11, 2017, 12:49:30 PM
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Btw, is this U2 trying to be "relevant" again?  ;D

Yes.
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Post by: The Exile on April 11, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?
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Post by: Messenger on April 11, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
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Alright, fingers crossed this collab went well. Please let it be a serious and dark song as I honestly don't think it would work otherwise.

I don't think Kendrick has too many fun and light songs. He may have featured on some songs in that vein for other artists, but his albums aren't pop.

And check out the tracklist around U2's track:

Lust
Love
XXX (feat. U2)
Fear
God

I think it would be safe to dismiss any fears that it will be some forced cheesy pop-collab. I mean, it could still be a letdown, but I don't think that will be the reason.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: fez333 on April 11, 2017, 01:23:32 PM
When is it coming out
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Post by: Messenger on April 11, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
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When is it coming out

The 14th, this Friday. Though I'd imagine it will all be leaked before then.
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Post by: monopoly on April 11, 2017, 02:00:09 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: JFW on April 11, 2017, 02:18:37 PM
I still think it's another version of The Best Thing
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Post by: Messenger on April 11, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How many teens, decades ago, started to check out Lou Reed after hearing U2 cover Satellite of Love like I did? I can't be the only one.

How many teens, decades ago,  started to check out David Bowie, The Clash, JJ72 after hearing Bono namedrop them in interviews? I can't be the only one.

How many adults checked out Lyyke Li after hearing her on SoI like I did? I can't be the only one.

True, maybe some of their fans will think I "jumped on the bandwagon" but I could not care less.
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Post by: The Exile on April 11, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?

Grow their fan base? I'm pretty sure they're like the most well-known band in existence.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on April 11, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
I'm a huge fan of Kendrick, thought his To Pimp a Butterfly album was one of the most complex and rewarding full album listens I've ever had. And also, Kendrick does rap, but I considering him to be more of a hip-hop artist than a rapper. He has a very clever mind when it comes to production, heck if you listen to TPAB, there's heavy elements of jazz, funk, R&B, and soul in those songs.

This sounds and feels right now like he's going to be perhaps sampling or borrowing the background instrumental of a U2 song more than anything. Really, I'm more curious about this news than anything, because I'm curious on the idea behind U2's involvement.

I'm actually really excited what this might be.
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 11, 2017, 05:06:05 PM
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I'm a huge fan of Kendrick, thought his To Pimp a Butterfly album was one of the most complex and rewarding full album listens I've ever had. And also, Kendrick does rap, but I considering him to be more of a hip-hop artist than a rapper. He has a very clever mind when it comes to production, heck if you listen to TPAB, there's heavy elements of jazz, funk, R&B, and soul in those songs.

This sounds and feels right now like he's going to be perhaps sampling or borrowing the background instrumental of a U2 song more than anything. Really, I'm more curious about this news than anything, because I'm curious on the idea behind U2's involvement.

I'm actually really excited what this might be.

It says featuring U2, though. Doesn't that imply that it will be a song with them, as opposed to a sample?
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Post by: redapple129 on April 11, 2017, 05:15:28 PM
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Btw, is this U2 trying to be "relevant" again?  ;D

Yes.

Yeah, it seems like they're trying to sort out which aspect of the youth culture will launch them back to the top when they dabble in it. See giving The Best Thing to Kygo and giving an intro on The Chainsmokers.

Difference is, the standard of quality for Kendrick is so damn high that it's almost certain they've done something great.
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 11, 2017, 05:21:54 PM
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Btw, is this U2 trying to be "relevant" again?  ;D

Yes.

Yeah, it seems like they're trying to sort out which aspect of the youth culture will launch them back to the top when they dabble in it. See giving The Best Thing to Kygo and giving an intro on The Chainsmokers.

Difference is, the standard of quality for Kendrick is so damn high that it's almost certain they've done something great.

I don't know much about Kendrick, but I can say for sure that they should always avoid artists like The Chainsmokers. A collaboration with a good current artist could be really good, though.
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Post by: This Dave on April 11, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?

Grow their fan base? I'm pretty sure they're like the most well-known band in existence.

It dawned on me while reading this thread, and I am as guilty of it as anyone else, that we are always talking about U2 as a business.  What will get more fans, what will raise their profile,  what will boost album sales, etc.

Guys...it's over. They have hit the level they are going to hit, and in their case that was pretty high up. This stuff used to matter to me, because it could decide if I'd get to see their video on MTV, or hear their song on the radio, or if they were going to be able to do a cool tour. It doesn't matter anymore. They can do what they want, and you can watch it or listen to it whenever you want, anywhere you want. They can keep touring when and how they want. They are secure.

U2 the bank account is lame. How are they doing ARTISTICALLY? Is this song going to be good? Is it going to be terrible? Is it going to be amazing, or will it make you embarrassed to be a fan?  That's what I care about now. I'm afraid we will instead be talking to each other in terms of "Well that was awful, but traffic to U2.com increased 17% in the 48 hours after the single was released" or "That was beautiful, but I turned on my local top 40 and they were playing Katy Perry instead of this, can you believe it?"

I used to attach a lot of import to this stuff, but it really doesn't matter anymore.
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Post by: Jono on April 11, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
Damn!
XXX PM?
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?

Grow their fan base? I'm pretty sure they're like the most well-known band in existence.

I just graduated high school. Not one student in school knew who u2 was until one day someone started complaining where some songs came from. Next thing you know, all the kids around me we're on twitter messaging Tim Cook to remove the entire thing. That's the only thing they know about u2. And because of that people I talked to didn't even care to give their older material a chance. And the fact u2 doesn't get big radio play on the Pop stations like KISS FM doesn't help them grow with younger crowds since most don't listen to rock stations. I knew quite a lot of people who either have no clue who they are or won't even give them a chance because of apple.

I'm in Los Angeles and my class size was 1200 of a 4500 student school
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Post by: This Dave on April 11, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?

Grow their fan base? I'm pretty sure they're like the most well-known band in existence.

I just graduated high school. Not one student in school knew who u2 was until one day someone started complaining where some songs came from. Next thing you know, all the kids around me we're on twitter messaging Tim Cook to remove the entire thing. That's the only thing they know about u2. And because of that people I talked to didn't even care to give their older material a chance. And the fact u2 doesn't get big radio play on the Pop stations like KISS FM doesn't help them grow with younger crowds since most don't listen to rock stations. I knew quite a lot of people who either have no clue who they are or won't even give them a chance because of apple.

I'm in Los Angeles and my class size was 1200 of a 4500 student school

It will be much more so once they are dead or otherwise retired, but I think U2 will be one of those bands kids "discover" around college age going forward, the way that my late 90's classmates would get into Pink Floyd, the Beatles, etc.
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Post by: monopoly on April 11, 2017, 06:36:34 PM
Anyone else go on Reddit- Kendrick Lamar? Lots of Kendrick fans are posting about their worry for u2 ruining the album...
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Post by: ian ryan on April 11, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
I wrote an OTR about Kendrick Lamar about a year ago. It talks about exactly why I'm pumped for this collaboration.

https://www.atu2.com/news/column-off-the-record--vol-16-715.html
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Post by: Zimmy1987 on April 11, 2017, 07:47:55 PM
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I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."


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I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."


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I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."


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Wow-- that's awesome!  That tweet was hilarious.
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Post by: fez333 on April 11, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
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When is it coming out

The 14th, this Friday. Though I'd imagine it will all be leaked before then.
Thanks! 
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I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."


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Wow-- that's awesome!  That tweet was hilarious.
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I saw this quote on Twitter, and it's just too funny/painful not to share:

"DOES KENDRICK EVEN KNOW THAT U2 IS ON HIS ALBUM, BECAUSE THEIR ALBUM IS STILL ON MY PHONE AND I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT."


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Wow-- that's awesome!  That tweet was hilarious.
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Post by: The Bonzo on April 13, 2017, 05:47:53 AM
Why on earth are U2 doing a song with Lemar? wasn't he on the UK version of xfactor or popstars?

I remember his song "if theres any justice in this world you would be my guy and I would be your girl"
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Post by: Vox on April 13, 2017, 06:02:05 AM
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Why on earth are U2 doing a song with Lemar? wasn't he on the UK version of xfactor or popstars?

I remember his song "if theres any justice in this world you would be my guy and I would be your girl"

Not sure if you're being serious or just making a joke, but a Google search of that lyric says it's by someone named Lemar, a pop singer from North London.  Kendrick Lamar is hip hop from Compton.
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Post by: zeeTV on April 13, 2017, 07:22:23 AM
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Why on earth are U2 doing a song with Lemar? wasn't he on the UK version of xfactor or popstars?

I remember his song "if theres any justice in this world you would be my guy and I would be your girl"

if you are being legit, than I really feel for you matey.
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Post by: zeeTV on April 13, 2017, 07:23:12 AM
1 2 3 4 5

I am the greatest rapper ALIVE !

.. Omg less than 24hrs to go !!
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Post by: Daniel94 on April 13, 2017, 08:22:34 AM
If it does turn out to be a sample, I've changed my prediction from Bullet to ISHFWILF
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Post by: monopoly on April 13, 2017, 08:53:37 AM
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If it does turn out to be a sample, I've changed my prediction from Bullet to ISHFWILF

It's red hill to get people excited
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Post by: Smithy on April 13, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
All my mates hyped for it who love Kendrick but arent big on U2, predicted Bullet cause i could see that going off but will see. Initially when i saw them on the writing credits i thought it would be a sample but now that they are actually listed as featuring i think they will play a much larger role..
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Post by: Messenger on April 13, 2017, 10:10:44 AM
Lebron James was listening to a few songs off the album in his Instagram story just under an hour ago. Looks like he stopped before he got to the U2 song though. Overall it sounds less jazzy than TPAB so far.
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Post by: an tha on April 13, 2017, 11:12:29 AM
It's Elevation....
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 13, 2017, 11:16:02 AM
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Lebron James was listening to a few songs off the album in his Instagram story just under an hour ago. Looks like he stopped before he got to the U2 song though. Overall it sounds less jazzy than TPAB so far.

That's not what Kendrick fans said. Apparently they compiled all the clips into a YouTube video and it sounds like James did listen to part of the U2 track as Bono could be heard singing (per the fans). I haven't listened to it so I can't confirm.

Edit: just listened to it, I don't hear Bono's voice at all. Maybe he did preview the track just not U2's part of it.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 13, 2017, 11:25:59 AM
Predicting that it's a sample of Pete the Chop.
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Post by: Daniel94 on April 13, 2017, 11:40:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_rKRfh_Xhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_rKRfh_Xhs)

Yea, I don't think Lebron played the U2 song.
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Post by: Messenger on April 13, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
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Lebron James was listening to a few songs off the album in his Instagram story just under an hour ago. Looks like he stopped before he got to the U2 song though. Overall it sounds less jazzy than TPAB so far.

That's not what Kendrick fans said. Apparently they compiled all the clips into a YouTube video and it sounds like James did listen to part of the U2 track as Bono could be heard singing (per the fans). I haven't listened to it so I can't confirm.

Edit: just listened to it, I don't hear Bono's voice at all. Maybe he did preview the track just not U2's part of it.

This is an unfair generalization, but not sure I trust Kendrick fans to pick out Bono's voice lol I listened a few times with headphones directly from his Instagram. Some songs perfectly overlap a few instagram story sections but they're not always smooth transitions.

1st song is: Element (according to Lebron's caption)

2nd song: Feel (easily discerned from the lyrics)

Next song on the tracklist is Loyalty Ft. Rihanna but the third song in the clip starts with some singing (definitely non-Bono/Rihanna singing): "Love's gonna get you killed. A price (??) gonna be the death of you and you and me and you and you and me..." So maybe Lebron skipped ahead to the song called Love. After that intro, the next section is where a beat starts and Kendrick sings (/w some background vocals, think it's just multi-layered Kendrick though). The bass distorts the music so much here you can't clearly hear the music but there's nothing to signify it's the Edge playing the two repeating notes.

Anyway, it's the afternoon before a long weekend and I'm bored at work.

My guess, for some reason, is Stateless.
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Post by: snailstampede on April 13, 2017, 11:57:45 AM
I watched the Lebron video, but I don't think I heard any Bono on it. Glad to hear a taste of it. Definitely a bit of a departure from TPAB, and it just makes me all the more excited to hear the album as soon as I can!
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 13, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
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Lebron James was listening to a few songs off the album in his Instagram story just under an hour ago. Looks like he stopped before he got to the U2 song though. Overall it sounds less jazzy than TPAB so far.

That's not what Kendrick fans said. Apparently they compiled all the clips into a YouTube video and it sounds like James did listen to part of the U2 track as Bono could be heard singing (per the fans). I haven't listened to it so I can't confirm.

Edit: just listened to it, I don't hear Bono's voice at all. Maybe he did preview the track just not U2's part of it.

This is an unfair generalization, but not sure I trust Kendrick fans to pick out Bono's voice lol I listened a few times with headphones directly from his Instagram. Some songs perfectly overlap a few instagram story sections but they're not always smooth transitions.

1st song is: Element (according to Lebron's caption)

2nd song: Feel (easily discerned from the lyrics)

Next song on the tracklist is Loyalty Ft. Rihanna but the third song in the clip starts with some singing (definitely non-Bono/Rihanna singing): "Love's gonna get you killed. A price (??) gonna be the death of you and you and me and you and you and me..." So maybe Lebron skipped ahead to the song called Love. After that intro, the next section is where a beat starts and Kendrick sings (/w some background vocals, think it's just multi-layered Kendrick though). The bass distorts the music so much here you can't clearly hear the music but there's nothing to signify it's the Edge playing the two repeating notes.

Anyway, it's the afternoon before a long weekend and I'm bored at work.

My guess, for some reason, is Stateless.

I agree with you. I think James intentionally skipped U2's track, probably to keep the hype going for it. Nothing I heard of that clip suggests any U2 involvement, not even a sample.
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Post by: The Exile on April 13, 2017, 12:20:30 PM
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... lament all you want about the yutes and the culture,  but they couldn't buy that kind of exposure (though I guess technically they sorta did).

U2 don't need exposure. What do they think will happen? A bunch of teenagers will hear this song and jump on the U2 bandwagon so they can wait til they're out of college for a new album to come out?

How else would u2 grow their fan base?

Grow their fan base? I'm pretty sure they're like the most well-known band in existence.

I just graduated high school. Not one student in school knew who u2 was until one day someone started complaining where some songs came from. Next thing you know, all the kids around me we're on twitter messaging Tim Cook to remove the entire thing. That's the only thing they know about u2. And because of that people I talked to didn't even care to give their older material a chance. And the fact u2 doesn't get big radio play on the Pop stations like KISS FM doesn't help them grow with younger crowds since most don't listen to rock stations. I knew quite a lot of people who either have no clue who they are or won't even give them a chance because of apple.

I'm in Los Angeles and my class size was 1200 of a 4500 student school

It will be much more so once they are dead or otherwise retired, but I think U2 will be one of those bands kids "discover" around college age going forward, the way that my late 90's classmates would get into Pink Floyd, the Beatles, etc.

Exactly.

I know lots of high school kids, most of whom don't deserve U2. Shhhh, s'ok. Just listen to bubblegum pop or rappers bragging about their penises, and when you grow up and develop actual taste, you'll figure it out.

After all, I don't waste good bourbon on people who just want to get $h!t-faced on Coors Lite.
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Post by: This Dave on April 13, 2017, 02:13:41 PM
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Predicting that it's a sample of Pete the Chop.

Pshhh. Everyone knows it's Father Is An Elephant.
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Post by: ian ryan on April 13, 2017, 02:51:27 PM
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Post by: mrjones2014 on April 13, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
Listening to the track now. It's not a sample! Bono sings a bit toward the end of the song. Not a huge presence on it.
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Post by: mrjones2014 on April 13, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
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Listening to the track now. It's not a sample! Bono sings a bit toward the end of the song. Not a huge presence on it.

Bono's lyrics (I think):

It's not a place
This country is to me a sound
of drum and bass
You close your eyes to look around
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 13, 2017, 04:57:54 PM
guys, its obviously NOT a sample. otherwise EVERY hip hop song would have "featuring" on all the tracks, listing where the sample came from.
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Post by: ian ryan on April 13, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
It sounds like the whole band, not just Bono.

It's not a place
This country used to be a sound of drum and bass
You close your eyes to look around
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Post by: TheU2Ken on April 13, 2017, 05:49:19 PM
Awesome track. Love Kendrick so much and its so amazing to have U2 collab with him. Can't wait for the full album.

I never could have dreamed of hearing Bono's voice on a K Dot track
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Post by: Daniel94 on April 13, 2017, 07:17:50 PM
Damn this is really good. Such an interesting transition and Adam sounding groovy as hell.
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Post by: Messenger on April 13, 2017, 07:24:17 PM
This is a tweet from a producer at Kendrick's label, in regards to the leaked album, saying:
 
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"But what if I told you... that's not the official version.."
https://twitter.com/SounwaveTDE/status/852682530410995712

His next tweet is a picture of Morpheus from The Matrix with the text
Quote
4/14/17

So, the front cover and the back cover are similar, except red text vs green text. Is he hinting that there's 2 albums about to be released? Or it's a surprise double album? I guess even if that is what's about to happen, it likely wouldn't involve U2 any farther. Though if both sides/albums are connected, then you never know.
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Post by: monopoly on April 13, 2017, 08:08:49 PM
Wait? Where?!?!?!? I need new u2 now!!!'
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Post by: Zimmy1987 on April 13, 2017, 09:20:53 PM
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Post by: jc619er on April 13, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Great song. Love the collaboration and the rest of the album is living up to the hype.
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Post by: TheEnd on April 13, 2017, 10:08:53 PM
On spotify now.
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Post by: tommyboy6913 on April 13, 2017, 10:49:09 PM
I just downloaded XXX ft U2 and it's easily one of the best tracks on the album. Adam's bass playing and Larry's drums sound great. Bono's vocals add a nice touch to the song. Once again, it appears I was right when predicted this was a going to be a strong track. Have faith in our boyz and chill the f@%^ out. I love the fact they collab with Kendrick Lamar. Lamar is no dummy. He knows talent when he sees it.
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 13, 2017, 11:06:38 PM
Upon listening to it again (on a proper set of speakers), it definitely sounds like Adam and Larry contributed to the track as well. Again, never really listened to a Kendrick Lamar song before this one, but my initial reaction to it is quite positive. I like that U2's contribution was kept somewhat subtle (it didn't drastically alter the song, but rather brought another dimension to it).
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Post by: monopoly on April 13, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
It's definitely single worthy with what's going on in the world
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Post by: ian ryan on April 13, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
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Upon listening to it again (on a proper set of speakers), it definitely sounds like Adam and Larry contributed to the track as well. Again, never really listened to a Kendrick Lamar song before this one, but my initial reaction to it is quite positive. I like that U2's contribution was kept somewhat subtle (it didn't drastically alter the song, but rather brought another dimension to it).

If you have a hankering to check out some more Kendrick, get the album To Pimp A Butterfly and listen to the title track, King Kunta, Alright, and The Blacker The Berry. He's an incredible talent and is very into doing characters and acting in his songs.
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Post by: paddyattitude on April 14, 2017, 02:53:03 AM
lyrics look very much like bono's lyrics like those about America... Johnny...

great track
very happy with the collaboration!!!
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Post by: paddyattitude on April 14, 2017, 03:00:55 AM
hope they'll sound that jazzy on the next album
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Post by: soloyan on April 14, 2017, 03:47:55 AM
Well... that's the most intriguing piece of music from U2 since "I'm not your baby".

Although it's hard to tell what is originally U2 and if/how it was tweaked one way or another.

The bass line is brilliant but I wouldn't be surprised if it was not how it was originally played...


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Post by: zeeTV on April 14, 2017, 04:04:47 AM
OMGGG

WHAT A LEGENDARY DUO

Jesus when that beat dropped my edges were snatched
Its amazing how well Bono and Kennys vocals worked
Defd could hear rest of boys influences

Yassss

Ah started to listen to entire album
That first track is deep AF
Kenny puts you in his head
Lord

1 2345 He is greatest rapper ALIVE
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Post by: tom_b1807 on April 14, 2017, 04:13:06 AM
Was a bit skeptical at first but it actually worked really well. Really smooth transition and Larry and Adam sound extremely jazzy! I think it sounds more like a piece U2 came up with Kendrick Lamar improvising over the top. The only person that doesn't really seem on the track much is Edge but as we all know he can be quite subtle anyway!
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Post by: dwaltman on April 14, 2017, 05:59:42 AM
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Was a bit skeptical at first but it actually worked really well. Really smooth transition and Larry and Adam sound extremely jazzy! I think it sounds more like a piece U2 came up with Kendrick Lamar improvising over the top. The only person that doesn't really seem on the track much is Edge but as we all know he can be quite subtle anyway!

That could be Edge on the keys.


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Post by: U2 Fan of the 90s on April 14, 2017, 07:34:50 AM
Gotta say, it's pretty cool... Bono sounds good, nice hook, very jazzy stuff from Larry and Adam.  I bet Edge is on keys and in the booth.

I like this direction better than the MOR of the last 17 years. I'd love to see U2 stick with that lounge like sound, smooth and understated. 
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Post by: miryclay on April 14, 2017, 07:52:44 AM
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Gotta say, it's pretty cool... Bono sounds good, nice hook, very jazzy stuff from Larry and Adam.  I bet Edge is on keys and in the booth.

I like this direction better than the MOR of the last 17 years. I'd love to see U2 stick with that lounge like sound, smooth and understated. 

Are you sure that isn't just some sample?
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Post by: eddyjedi on April 14, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
It reeks of Adam Clayton.

Reminds me of pop, well done boys.

🙌
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Post by: crank on April 14, 2017, 08:35:09 AM
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It reeks of Adam Clayton.

Reminds me of pop, well done boys.

🙌

THIS.
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Post by: Messenger on April 14, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
For some reason the lyrics are starting to seem familiar, like I've heard them from Bono before. Not in a song, maybe a quote in an article or a ( ::) ) speech or something.

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Post by: MEMORY_MAN on April 14, 2017, 09:49:49 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised.  Pretty cool sound from U2 on this.
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Post by: Daniel94 on April 14, 2017, 10:25:04 AM
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It reeks of Adam Clayton.

Reminds me of pop, well done boys.

🙌

I agree, def getting pop vibes.
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Post by: MattD on April 14, 2017, 10:37:07 AM
Wow, the widespread acclaim U2 are getting for this is unbelievable. And quite rightly too - U2 at their most inspired and inventive in years.

Get with it U2, THIS is what happens when you make excellent music and stop pandering to teeny boppers. If you want to be 'relevant' start going down the route you chose in the 90s and contemporising that sound rather than Ryan flippin Tedder.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 14, 2017, 10:41:59 AM
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Gotta say, it's pretty cool... Bono sounds good, nice hook, very jazzy stuff from Larry and Adam.  I bet Edge is on keys and in the booth.

I like this direction better than the MOR of the last 17 years. I'd love to see U2 stick with that lounge like sound, smooth and understated. 

Are you sure that isn't just some sample?
Have you listened to it yet?
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 14, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
Very cool trip-hop sound here. Really really wish U2 would explore that sub-genre further, because they can totally pull it off (think Miami). If they don't feel comfortable making another Zooropa, then U2 should definitely pursue this loungey and jazzy sound. For whatever reason, the band is just so great at creating that sort of atmosphere in this type of music. Never Let Me Go, Stateless, The Ground Beneath Her Feet...
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Gotta say, it's pretty cool... Bono sounds good, nice hook, very jazzy stuff from Larry and Adam.  I bet Edge is on keys and in the booth.

I like this direction better than the MOR of the last 17 years. I'd love to see U2 stick with that lounge like sound, smooth and understated. 

Are you sure that isn't just some sample?
Have you listened to it yet?

It's not sampling any old material. New stuff.  But the way it was presented seems more like a sample to me than a feature...
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Gotta say, it's pretty cool... Bono sounds good, nice hook, very jazzy stuff from Larry and Adam.  I bet Edge is on keys and in the booth.

I like this direction better than the MOR of the last 17 years. I'd love to see U2 stick with that lounge like sound, smooth and understated. 

Are you sure that isn't just some sample?
Have you listened to it yet?

It's not sampling any old material. New stuff.  But the way it was presented seems more like a sample to me than a feature...
That makes sense. You could easily confuse some of this as being sampled.
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Post by: MattD on April 14, 2017, 11:40:52 AM
http://uproxx.com/music/kendrick-lamar-damn-u2-xxx/

Excellent article, and their work here puts in stark contrast the banal audience baiting trash with Ryan Tedder.
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Post by: snailstampede on April 14, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
I think it sounds great, is really chill, and the fact that all the members are credited makes me think that they actually did the live work on the track.
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Post by: MattD on April 14, 2017, 12:07:46 PM
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I think it sounds great, is really chill, and the fact that all the members are credited makes me think that they actually did the live work on the track.

Yep, they've got writing credits.
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Post by: Messenger on April 14, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
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Wow, the widespread acclaim U2 are getting for this is unbelievable. And quite rightly too - U2 at their most inspired and inventive in years.

Get with it U2, THIS is what happens when you make excellent music and stop pandering to teeny boppers. If you want to be 'relevant' start going down the route you chose in the 90s and contemporising that sound rather than Ryan flippin Tedder.

It's quite ironic.
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 14, 2017, 12:33:09 PM
yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Peter Parker on April 14, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!
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Post by: Messenger on April 14, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 14, 2017, 02:00:44 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.
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Post by: DMiTD on April 14, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
A mention of the track in The Atlantic:

As always with Lamar, though, his scorn is not simplistic. The towering late-album cut ďXXX,Ē which improbably features Bono doing his least cloying croon, catalogs how the world makes it seem impossible to live up to the Christian imperative of forgiveness.

Full article here: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/04/kendrick-lamar-damn-politics-fox-trump/523059/
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Post by: Izzy on April 14, 2017, 03:01:08 PM
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Wow, the widespread acclaim U2 are getting for this is unbelievable. And quite rightly too - U2 at their most inspired and inventive in years.

Get with it U2, THIS is what happens when you make excellent music and stop pandering to teeny boppers. If you want to be 'relevant' start going down the route you chose in the 90s and contemporising that sound rather than Ryan flippin Tedder.

If that's Larry and adam on there then they sound AWESOME
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Post by: MattD on April 14, 2017, 03:02:53 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.
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Post by: monopoly on April 14, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

Kygo shouldnt get so much hate from the u2 camp. U2 wrote the song and brought it to him. He added extra beats and made it more pop. That means the cliche pop lyrics like "youre the best thing about me, the best thing to ever happen to a boy" were probably already there. U2 did that, not Kygo. He's just made it a more EDM track.

Hes a DJ. He's made a new mix of the already written song. You can try to hide poo, but the smell will still come through.
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Post by: MattD on April 14, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

Kygo shouldnt get so much hate from the u2 camp. U2 wrote the song and brought it to him. He added extra beats and made it more pop. That means the cliche pop lyrics like "youre the best thing about me, the best thing to ever happen to a boy" were probably already there. U2 did that, not Kygo. He's just made it a more EDM track.

Hes a DJ. He's made a new mix of the already written song. You can try to hide poo, but the smell will still come through.

It's a terrible song I agree, made worse by a terrible producer.
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Post by: This Dave on April 14, 2017, 04:26:05 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

Well, this turned out to be much ado about not very much
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: fez333 on April 14, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
Should I spend the 1.19 or whatever it is just to listen to the song
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 14, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
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Should I spend the 1.19 or whatever it is just to listen to the song
Listen to it for free on Spotify before you buy.
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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 14, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.
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Post by: monopoly on April 14, 2017, 10:32:35 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

Kygo shouldnt get so much hate from the u2 camp. U2 wrote the song and brought it to him. He added extra beats and made it more pop. That means the cliche pop lyrics like "youre the best thing about me, the best thing to ever happen to a boy" were probably already there. U2 did that, not Kygo. He's just made it a more EDM track.

Hes a DJ. He's made a new mix of the already written song. You can try to hide poo, but the smell will still come through.

It's a terrible song I agree, made worse by a terrible producer.

What is your basis for him being a terrible producer? Do you have the original mix before he worked on it?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: fez333 on April 14, 2017, 11:26:22 PM
That's the absolute worst $1.29 I have ever spent. 
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: MattD on April 15, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.
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Post by: MattD on April 15, 2017, 02:15:19 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

Kygo shouldnt get so much hate from the u2 camp. U2 wrote the song and brought it to him. He added extra beats and made it more pop. That means the cliche pop lyrics like "youre the best thing about me, the best thing to ever happen to a boy" were probably already there. U2 did that, not Kygo. He's just made it a more EDM track.

Hes a DJ. He's made a new mix of the already written song. You can try to hide poo, but the smell will still come through.

It's a terrible song I agree, made worse by a terrible producer.

What is your basis for him being a terrible producer? Do you have the original mix before he worked on it?

One only has to listen to Kygo's music to know how terrible an artist he is. His music is down there with the likes of Aqua and Barbie Girl, or The Vengaboys. Unbefitting of U2s high status, and there's no artistic credibility there no matter how popular he is. So that's the fear - bringing U2 down to that tawdry level.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: mc on April 15, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Anyone got a snippet of just the U2 part?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 15, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
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Anyone got a snippet of just the U2 part?
Just play it from a streaming service at the 2:30 mark. I would listen to the whole song to get a feel for it, though.
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Post by: monopoly on April 15, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
The whole albums on YouTube now
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Post by: zeeTV on April 16, 2017, 07:22:45 AM
YOOOOOOOOOOO Hold up,
Did anyone get NUMB vibes from the start of XXX #goddamn
This a LIT AF ..
It gets deeper by every listen
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: TheEnd on April 16, 2017, 08:11:32 AM
Great interview with Kendrick Lamar by Rick Rubin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lPD5PtqMiE

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Post by: tigerfan41 on April 16, 2017, 08:23:48 AM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 16, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
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YOOOOOOOOOOO Hold up,
Did anyone get NUMB vibes from the start of XXX #goddamn
This a LIT AF ..
It gets deeper by every listen
Doesn't feel like Numb at all, but I do love the intro.
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Post by: MattD on April 16, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 16, 2017, 11:57:59 AM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.
I get the impression that people are getting tired of Tedder. He doesn't garner as much attention as he used to and feels played out and old... at least in the pop music scene.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....

Adele is amazing... in fact she's probably my favorite POP artist.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....

Adele is amazing... in fact she's probably my favorite POP artist.
Not to sound condescending, but I have difficulty in calling anybody a great artist when all they do is rehash the same ideas repeatedly.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: bass slap on April 16, 2017, 01:48:16 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....

Adele is amazing... in fact she's probably my favorite POP artist.
Not to sound condescending, but I have difficulty in calling anybody a great artist when all they do is rehash the same ideas repeatedly.

Sounds like a band very close to all of our hearts... for the last 20 years at least.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: bass slap on April 16, 2017, 02:00:06 PM
If u2 are indeed responsible for the last couple of minutes on that track then I'm impressed.

Closest return to pop you're ever likely to hear. Backs up the point they still could do something interesting if they wanted, but they they obviously feel a duty to deliver the safe tried and tested sound a large proportion of their fan base that like it still. Strictly business, honouring the u2 brand and loyal fans, whilst attempting to freshen up slightly to appeal to younger audiences by repackaging the old emotional, chiming guitar u2 rock formula that's always worked for them in the past. I imagine they feel a sense of responsibility to u2 inc and all its staff too..

I get why they do it, even if I wished they did deviate from the business model of the last couple of decades.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 16, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....

Adele is amazing... in fact she's probably my favorite POP artist.
Not to sound condescending, but I have difficulty in calling anybody a great artist when all they do is rehash the same ideas repeatedly.

Sounds like a band very close to all of our hearts... for the last 20 years at least.
Not the last 20... more like 15 or so... but you're right. U2 aren't a great band anymore. They'll have to really impress me with SOE to convince me U2 is great again.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: gujuju on April 18, 2017, 07:21:53 AM
As nervous as many of us have been about U2's judgement of late (bringing in the likes of Ryan Tedder), it's refreshing to see them work with relevant and talent artists of late (Kendrick Lamar, Lykke Li, etc.).   

Glad to see that U2 hasn't sunken to working with pop-acts like The Chainsmokers, etc. just yet.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: tom_b1807 on April 18, 2017, 07:24:26 AM
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As nervous as many of us have been about U2's judgement of late (bringing in the likes of Ryan Tedder), it's refreshing to see them work with relevant and talent artists of late (Kendrick Lamar, Lykke Li, etc.).   

Glad to see that U2 hasn't sunken to working with pop-acts like The Chainsmokers, etc. just yet.

*cough* Coldplay *cough*
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: MattD on April 18, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
I'd like to think The Edge and Larry Mullen are pulling popularity obsessed Bono from the brink of stooping to an all time low by jumping onto fads. For example, collaborating with Chainsmokers, Adele, Beyonce - popular, but certainly not creative or artistic in anyway - the equivalent of McDonalds in the music world.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: lucas.homem on April 18, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
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I'd like to think The Edge and Larry Mullen are pulling popularity obsessed Bono from the brink of stooping to an all time low by jumping onto fads. For example, collaborating with Chainsmokers, Adele, Beyonce - popular, but certainly not creative or artistic in anyway - the equivalent of McDonalds in the music world.

I think we misjudge the other members of the band a lot.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: bass slap on April 18, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
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I'd like to think The Edge and Larry Mullen are pulling popularity obsessed Bono from the brink of stooping to an all time low by jumping onto fads. For example, collaborating with Chainsmokers, Adele, Beyonce - popular, but certainly not creative or artistic in anyway - the equivalent of McDonalds in the music world.

I think we misjudge the other members of the band a lot.

Apart from some of the stage outfits, I would have Adam down for the most dignified member.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
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yea i asked a few guys that have the album that are NOT u2 fans what they thought of the song, they both liked it. one liked it alot.

Same here. Every Kendrick fan I've talked to likes the track. I'd say it's a success from that perspective. U2 fans might not like it so much, though.

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Well, we got U2/Kygo, U2/Kendrick Lamar and U2/ Chainsmokers. Wonder what will be next!

Why do people consider that a collaboration anyway?

It most certainly is not. It's a Bono quote. No involvement from other band members.

That's a bit harsh on U2 fans - I think the majority are more acceptant and broad minded enough to appreciate this as they are working with a credible artist, unlike tacky creatively null z-list stars like Ryan Tedder and Kygo.

What they're doing here is in keeping with the U2 ethos of old in pushing creative boundaries.

I don't think so at all. Let's be honest: we are generally a picky fanbase. There's half of us who might love what U2 does and the other half will criticize. There's some of us who cannot stand the 00s music but love the 90s; there's some who love the 00s and 80s but the 90s (save for AB)...not so much. And as far as other artists or producers are concerned, we don't want to see "our guys" working with guys like Tedder, Kygo, Lamar etc. because even though those guys have solid reputations in their specific genres, even though they are in some ways very highly regarded, we look down at them.

Of course, that's not all U2 fans. We've seen plenty of people chime in here about Lamar's brilliance as an artist and these folks happen to be U2 fans as well. They just happened to have a broader musical taste than many of us, enough to appreciate the best in different genres than alternative and rock.

Personally, like I've said before, I don't listen to much rap. I'm more familiar with rap from the 90s than anything released since 2000. I tend to skew more toward alternative rock, new wave, 90s rock and classic rock. But since I started playing an instrument I've noticed that I've become more open to other genres of music. Even those genres I don't particularly like, I can appreciate the best artists in those. I don't think the same can be said for many U2 fans who are uber critical of stuff different than what they like.

The problem is, some of us tend to view "credible artists" as artists whose music we like. What that means is if they happen to make music we don't like (for instance, pop music) then we don't view them as credible....even if they are very good at the music they create, even if they're well regarded.

Kendrick Lamar has widespread acclaim from all areas of the music press. He's incomparable to the likes of Tedder and Kygo who have only ever received poor reviews for their bland music.

That's your opinion. People in EDM think highly of Kygo. People in pop music tend to think highly of Tedder, given some of the great artists he has worked with (Adele, Beyonce just to name a couple). Just because you don't care for their musical style (neither do I), it doesn't make them "bland". I'm sure people could say the same about U2 and you would disagree.

Hmm, Adele and Beyonce 'great artists'.....

Adele is amazing... in fact she's probably my favorite POP artist.
Not to sound condescending, but I have difficulty in calling anybody a great artist when all they do is rehash the same ideas repeatedly.


She's a very talented singer. Great artist is questionable. Her music is well-traveled territory.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: bass slap on April 18, 2017, 06:15:32 PM
Of all the crap out there in the mainstream, it seems a shame to sharpen the blades on Adele. She didn't have the most marketable image, so credit for her success has to be given in the area of substance more than style.. her ability to write and perform and connect with a female audience.. Of course she continues to capitalise on that sound.. but I think she's only had about 4 albums..?  That's what artists tend to do, find a distinctive sound and corner the market. U2 have done this for 40 years and thrown in a couple of experimental albums here and there, but predominantly chime edge, anthemic wooo hoooo bono and one note bass lines.. if we fancied being hypocritical..?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Messenger on April 21, 2017, 11:32:47 AM
I agree with the Adele attacks, and throwing Beyonce in there is unfair too.

But anyway, I'm sure mostly everyone has moved on to RHMT and JT30 but Zane Lowe interviewed Kendrick Lamar for Apple music, Beats 1 or whatever. It's 45 min long and he goes mostly track for track. XXX comes up at 36 min in.
http://pitchfork.com/news/71754-kendrick-lamar-unlocks-new-album-damn-secrets-in-revealing-new-interview-watch/ (don't have a direct link but it's in the article - corrected link)

Article mentions XXX too:
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Kendrick also revealed that there is a ton of unreleased music from the sessions. He told Lowe that ďXXX.,Ē the song featuring U2, originally had six verses. ďThatís why the changes are so crazy.Ē

In the interview itself, Zane starts out by, unsurprisingly, referencing Bono's quote that America is an idea, that the same sentiment is in that song - a sound not a place. Kendricks chimes in "crazy lyrics...couple bars...impactful"

Zane: what does XXX mean to you?
KL: XXX is the idea of complete chaos and madness. That's what I got from it. Organized madness, controlled madness. Us trying to control this madness. So when you hear them lyrics about what he's saying, "it's a place, it's an idea", I was trying to control that idea...through lyrics, through song.
Zane: Is it a good idea? Even the original idea of what America is?
KL: For better or for worse, it's a content idea. Simple as that.

Then they move on with Zane asking him again about Trump and Kendrick sucks his teeth (or kisses his teeth, whichever term you use), which is pretty great. (until now I never knew what the sound was called, but the meaning behind it was always obvious)
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: TheEnd on April 21, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
I was hoping there would be some discussion as to how the collaboration came about. That wasn't mentioned at all?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Messenger on April 25, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
More comments on the KL/U2 collaboration from the producer of the track Mike WiLL Made-It. Posted the only relevant part.

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/04/25/525450544/how-mike-will-made-it-and-kendrick-lamar-created-the-years-most-urgent-music-yet

When the tracklist revealed a U2 feature, people started to worry. But that song is just as incredible. You aren't the only producer listed on that one, but were you involved in getting U2 on the track?

That was Dot's vision. I'm definitely a fan of U2. I've seen Bono around a couple of times, just being around [former Interscope chair] Jimmy Iovine. I've had lunch with Bono; we even exchanged numbers and emails. We just never knew what we were going to do. And for Dot to just tie it all together, I'm sure he's had the same lunches with Bono as well since he also works close with Jimmy Iovine. Really, that came out of left field when he told me that he added him on there. I kept trying to imagine U2 on the first half of that beat, cause at first that was the only part to the song. And I was like, 'Dang, he put U2 on that?' I couldn't figure out what that would sound like. But when he let me hear the whole thing with the different sections, it came out dope.

Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: fna692002 on April 26, 2017, 09:43:30 PM
not sure if this has been posted but XXX charted in the top 40 on billboard at #33. It also racked up 23.3 million streams :O in the first week as well.
No. 33 (debut), "XXX." (23.3 million)
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: ian ryan on April 26, 2017, 11:34:05 PM
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not sure if this has been posted but XXX charted in the top 40 on billboard at #33. It also racked up 23.3 million streams :O in the first week as well.
No. 33 (debut), "XXX." (23.3 million)

Anyone that doesn't want to acknowledge what a savvy collaboration this was is living in the bliss of where the record industry was 1/3 of a century ago. Artistically this is one of the most important collaborations of U2's careers.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: Vox on April 27, 2017, 12:01:08 PM
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I was hoping there would be some discussion as to how the collaboration came about. That wasn't mentioned at all?

I read an interview earlier this week, with one the album's producers, who said it was Kendrick's idea to bring U2 on board.  That he had a vision on how he wanted to use them and nobody could see how it would possibly work.  But once they heard it, they were blown away. 
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: DGordon1 on April 27, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
I think all the controversy when the collab was announced just reflects the ignorance a lot of the general populace have towards U2. They're a pretty dextrous band, and the main creative force was always going to be Kendrick Lamar. Did people think it was going to be like Elevation or something?
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 27, 2017, 03:20:18 PM
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I think all the controversy when the collab was announced just reflects the ignorance a lot of the general populace have towards U2. They're a pretty dextrous band, and the main creative force was always going to be Kendrick Lamar. Did people think it was going to be like Elevation or something?
You can't blame them, though. U2 have tried to portray themselves as a pop-rock band for the past fifteen years. It's their own doing.

Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: DGordon1 on April 29, 2017, 02:45:26 PM
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I think all the controversy when the collab was announced just reflects the ignorance a lot of the general populace have towards U2. They're a pretty dextrous band, and the main creative force was always going to be Kendrick Lamar. Did people think it was going to be like Elevation or something?
You can't blame them, though. U2 have tried to portray themselves as a pop-rock band for the past fifteen years. It's their own doing.



In many ways yes, and I suppose a consequence is a larger number of people have a very thin knowledge on the band and their music over the years. You'd expect better from some of the journos though.
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: trevgreg on April 29, 2017, 03:16:56 PM
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You can't blame them, though. U2 have tried to portray themselves as a pop-rock band for the past fifteen years. It's their own doing.

Were they an ambient/electronic art band before that?  :o
Title: Re: U2 will appear on Kendrick Lamar's new album.
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 29, 2017, 06:32:41 PM
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You can't blame them, though. U2 have tried to portray themselves as a pop-rock band for the past fifteen years. It's their own doing.

Were they an ambient/electronic art band before that?  :o
No, but they were self-respecting and musically adventurous in may ways. Genre bending (Miami), progressive (Zoo Station), experimental, at least for U2 (Zooropa, Original Soundtracks I), etc.

By the way, don't pretend that U2 have never meddled in ambience or electronica before! Beach Sequence, Viva Davidoff, and some of The Unforgetable Fire would qualify as ambient. As for electronica: Mofo, Discotheque, Do You Feel Loved, and much else on Pop all incorporate electronic-influences.