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Title: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: andrewau2 on April 16, 2017, 05:44:01 PM
It's a tough choice for me.  Zooropa has Lemon and Dirty Day while Pop has Mofo and Gone...
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Post by: mrsamrocks2 on April 16, 2017, 05:52:55 PM
Had to go with Pop because it has more strong moments than Zooropa.
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Post by: The Exile on April 16, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
While the song Zooropa is perhaps my favorite U2 track ever, I had to go with Pop. It's a stronger album overall.
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Post by: an tha on April 16, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
Pop - but we are measuring 2 of what I consider to be u2's top 3 albums and both are great.
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Post by: DK46 on April 16, 2017, 06:19:33 PM
Impossible.  I love both these albums beyond measure, but I choose Pop.  I mean, Discotheque, Mofo, Do You Feel Loved, Staring at the Sun, Gone, Please, Wake Up Dead Man.  But I mean, Zooropa has the title track, Numb, Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, Lemon & The Wanderer.  I feel like (at least at this moment) the tracks on Pop that I love, I may love a little bit more than those on Zooropa.  Nonetheless, I love both and I need both.   
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 16, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
Pop. Zooropa is great, my third favorite U2 album, but Pop much stronger overall. Outside of the title track, Zooropa doesn't have a Mofo or Discotheque.
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Post by: lucas.homem on April 16, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
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Pop. Zooropa is great, my third favorite U2 album, but Pop much stronger overall. Outside of the title track, Zooropa doesn't have a Mofo or Discotheque.

Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car kicks more ass, I would say
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 16, 2017, 08:34:31 PM
god Zooropa and it's not even close for me. i like Pop but i dont bow down to it like the rest of the forum. Zooropa has, well no weak links imo.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
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Pop. Zooropa is great, my third favorite U2 album, but Pop much stronger overall. Outside of the title track, Zooropa doesn't have a Mofo or Discotheque.

Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car kicks more ass, I would say
I love Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, but it doesn't touch either of those songs I mentioned. Mofo is one of the most "out-of-this-world" sounds that U2 have ever created and Discotheque is just badass and grooves like hell.
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Post by: lucas.homem on April 16, 2017, 10:16:13 PM
People here love that clip of POP before POP existed, with the previous versions of some songs. Well... I believe that's how those songs would have sounded if they were in Zooropa.

Come one, it's an album that begins with the track Zooropa and finishes with Johnny Cash, and everything in the middle is raw, alive and sophisticated. It sounds like sushi with good wine.
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Post by: lucas.homem on April 16, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
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Pop. Zooropa is great, my third favorite U2 album, but Pop much stronger overall. Outside of the title track, Zooropa doesn't have a Mofo or Discotheque.

Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car kicks more ass, I would say
I love Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, but it doesn't touch either of those songs I mentioned. Mofo is one of the most "out-of-this-world" sounds that U2 have ever created and Discotheque is just badass and grooves like hell.

The ending of Daddy has a lot more buzz, dirty, heavyness and layers, it makes you feel like a rusty robot being kicked at a party in the junkyard. That's what I call "out-of-this-world".
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Post by: clydefrog on April 16, 2017, 10:56:42 PM
had to go with Pop...this is the album I grew up on. It was the beginning of my U2 love at the age of 10 so this is my youth at its core
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 16, 2017, 11:04:25 PM
Pop was the album that opened my eyes to U2 in 97. But Zooropa has Lemon, Stay, Zooropa, Wanderer, Dirty Day. I mean i can never hear it enough.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on April 17, 2017, 01:21:01 AM
I have to vote Pop. Without ZooTV/AB Zooropa may not stand up as an album that has its own identity. POP is a horrible,snarling bully of an album, and is better for it.
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Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on April 17, 2017, 06:24:52 AM
I like Pop much more, but I hold Zooropa very high in my personal ranking
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Post by: riffraff on April 17, 2017, 06:49:12 AM
POP, but love Zooropa, too.
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Post by: aviastar on April 17, 2017, 07:06:52 AM
Not a huge fan of either...but I would vote for Pop over Zooropa.  I am still not sure how to place Zooropa in the U2 canon...it kinda stands alone to me as something completely different than anything else at all.  I have trouble connecting with much of Zooropa to be honest...some of the songs have a cool beat and sound, but I don't identify with them the same as War/TUF/TJT.
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Post by: Vox on April 17, 2017, 07:07:28 AM
Zooropa.  I do like Pop, but Zooropa is very special for me and somewhere in the top 3-4 albums of my U2antheon.
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Post by: BalconyTV on April 17, 2017, 09:20:24 AM
Pop was my first U2 album. They were a band at their most interesting then.
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Post by: JFW on April 17, 2017, 09:39:19 AM
Hard decision. It depends on which time of the day you ask me. I prefer Pop early in the morning to get some energy. And Zooropa after a long day to relax a bit. To make the choice between the albums I'll look at the times I played it last months, and then it's clearly Pop.
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Post by: imaginary friend on April 18, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
Zooropa, but not by much. Their 2 best albums.
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Post by: bass slap on April 18, 2017, 05:06:43 PM
Zooropa has quite a low-fi sound which puts some people off I think..
But it was their first album where they pushed themselves experimentally to the limit in a very ballsy way.. Yet it also produced their last truly great ballad with stay, one of my favourite u2 "rock" songs with dirty day. Then there's zooropa itself which to me is like nothing I've heard them attempt before or since and seemed very ahead of its time.

Pop seemed more of its time even if it was still experimental for u2 and incidentally.. a great record. But I'm going with Zooropa..vorst sprung Dirk technique
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Post by: Zoomerang77 on April 19, 2017, 04:30:56 AM
Zooropa for me at this minute after flip flopping back and forth before clicking the button. Jeez the best of both of these mashed together would be a pretty special album!
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Post by: World71R on April 19, 2017, 10:07:55 AM
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Zooropa for me at this minute after flip flopping back and forth before clicking the button. Jeez the best of both of these mashed together would be a pretty special album!

So something like this?

1. Zooropa
2. Do You Feel Loved
3. Mofo
4. Stay
5. Staring at the Sun
6. Numb
7. Lemon
8. Gone
9. The First Time
10. Please
11. Wake Up Dead Man
12. The Wanderer
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: THRILLHO on April 19, 2017, 12:40:51 PM
nice glad to see Zooropa closing in!
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Post by: riffraff on April 19, 2017, 01:01:53 PM
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nice glad to see Zooropa closing in!
Surprised!
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Post by: MPare1966 on April 19, 2017, 01:11:01 PM
Zooropa is Top 5 for me
Pop is middle 5
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 19, 2017, 01:21:41 PM
Pop, by a long way. Although Zooropa is fabulous.

Oh 90's U2. Where did you disappear too?  :(
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 19, 2017, 01:31:32 PM
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Zooropa is Top 5 for me
Pop is middle 5

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPP
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: howyousawtheworld on April 19, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
Jesus this is tough. At the moment I'll go for Pop. Probably because it turned 20 recently and I've been giving it a really good listen. Gone and Last Night On Earth my current faves from that.

Overall I'll go for Zooropa. I think it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day but for me Zooropa just did it for me. Would listen to that album when walking into uni for final exams and did the same for my masters last year. For them to follow Achtung Baby with that less than two years later was some achievement.

90s U2. What. A. Band.
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: riffraff on April 20, 2017, 05:17:35 AM
Wow, I can't believe these two are tied at the moment! I truly do love Zooropa, but honestly thought POP would win by a mile. Very cool. I voted for POP, but this is an amazing tie-score!
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Post by: il_capo on April 20, 2017, 05:53:42 AM
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Wow, I can't believe these two are tied at the moment! I truly do love Zooropa, but honestly thought POP would win by a mile. Very cool. I voted for POP, but this is an amazing tie-score!

Riffy - you missed a trick in not voting for Zooropa - to see an tha's chagrin if it were to beat Pop would be priceless  :)
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Post by: riffraff on April 20, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
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Wow, I can't believe these two are tied at the moment! I truly do love Zooropa, but honestly thought POP would win by a mile. Very cool. I voted for POP, but this is an amazing tie-score!

Riffy - you missed a trick in not voting for Zooropa - to see an tha's chagrin if it were to beat Pop would be priceless  :)
Oh my! Very good point...can I still change my vote?  :)
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Post by: an tha on April 20, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
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Wow, I can't believe these two are tied at the moment! I truly do love Zooropa, but honestly thought POP would win by a mile. Very cool. I voted for POP, but this is an amazing tie-score!



Riffy - you missed a trick in not voting for Zooropa - to see an tha's chagrin if it were to beat Pop would be priceless  :)

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Post by: riffraff on April 20, 2017, 06:08:01 AM
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Wow, I can't believe these two are tied at the moment! I truly do love Zooropa, but honestly thought POP would win by a mile. Very cool. I voted for POP, but this is an amazing tie-score!



Riffy - you missed a trick in not voting for Zooropa - to see an tha's chagrin if it were to beat Pop would be priceless  :)

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Yup, that didn't take long...just knew there would be a fine reaction!
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Post by: GardenTart on April 20, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Depends on the day....can't choose. They are both brilliant.


Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: lemonPOP on April 21, 2017, 06:02:00 AM
this is like choosing between Pop vs Pop, as I chose the latter in that vote.  This one ill go with Zoo because well it has Zoo on it but tomorrow it may be Pop because it is there best album
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Post by: riffraff on April 21, 2017, 06:06:51 AM
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this is like choosing between Pop vs Pop, as I chose the latter in that vote.  This one ill go with Zoo because well it has Zoo on it but tomorrow it may be Pop because it is there best album
Wow...I actually understood this statement!
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Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 21, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
Two insanely brilliant albums.....so close!
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Post by: TheEnd on April 21, 2017, 12:20:38 PM
Zooropa would probably place somewhere in my top 5 but it doesn't compete with Pop, which is my favorite U2 album.
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Post by: Discothèque Slug 82 on April 23, 2017, 03:42:54 PM
I had to vote for Pop (2 votes ahead now!). That album had such a deep impact on me as a 14 year old boy, I've spent the last 20 years trying to find music that gives me the same buzz that Pop gave (and still gives) me and nothing else compares (though to be fair, some bands have come very close over the years!).

I do LOVE Zooropa though, particularly the title track, Lemon, Some Days, Dirty Day and The Wanderer. I still remember the first time I heard the album though and it was a definite WTF moment  :o My first U2 album purchase was 'Rattle And Hum' and I was impressed enough as a young boy to investigate further so I borrowed 'Zooropa' from my local library- The album artwork and the music really confused me at the time, where had the cowboy hats gone and why was Bono singing about washing up liquid? It makes a lot more sense now though  ;)
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Post by: MEMORY_MAN on April 25, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
I voted for Zooropa.  It is such a fine piece of experimental work.  I love the risk taking, the packaging, the themes, and the songs.
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Post by: jaredlabbq on April 26, 2017, 07:07:21 AM
Zooropa and Pop are both my favorite U2 albums, it really depends on the mood I'm in. Zooropa has an ambient and more comfortable sound than Pop, but Pop has arguably slightly stronger lyrics and themes, in my opinion. It's a little grittier as well.
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Post by: YouGoOn on April 26, 2017, 08:33:56 AM
Pop.
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Post by: imaginary friend on April 26, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
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Jesus this is tough. At the moment I'll go for Pop. Probably because it turned 20 recently and I've been giving it a really good listen. Gone and Last Night On Earth my current faves from that.



Someday before they hang it up for good, I'd like to hear U2 do those two back-to-back live.
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Post by: ian ryan on April 27, 2017, 12:14:20 AM
Zooropa has the title track, Lemon, and The Wanderer. U2 have never released anything else that can compete with those three.
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Post by: MPare1966 on April 27, 2017, 08:27:35 AM
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Zooropa has the title track, Lemon, and The Wanderer. U2 have never released anything else that can compete with those three.

"For an album that wasn’t meant to be an album, it’s quite an album. A"

From the original review in EW, published 1993: http://ew.com/article/1993/07/09/zooropa/ (http://ew.com/article/1993/07/09/zooropa/)
 
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Post by: an tha on April 27, 2017, 09:18:06 AM
Wish somebody had given the writer of that piece a lesson on how to use paragraphs.
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Post by: MPare1966 on April 27, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
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Wish somebody had given the writer of that piece a lesson on how to use paragraphs.

I think this online version is some sort of a scan of the magazine version, because when this was published, there was no internet.  ;)  And maybe the paragraphs got lost along the way (?)

I would have to check the hard-copy version, which is somewhere in the basement, with all the other U2 related mags I collected over the years.


Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: riffraff on April 27, 2017, 02:15:22 PM
I love Zooropa, but I cannot believe it's only one vote behind POP right now...POP should be kicking butt.
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 27, 2017, 04:02:28 PM
yes! Zooropa's only 1 vote behind!!!
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: Nanda360 on April 27, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
No hesitation to go with Pop: at first listen it might sound a superficial dancing album but there's a lot of deep reflections in it. Zooropa is good. But not great.
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Post by: Doc_Holiday on April 27, 2017, 07:12:30 PM
 I love both albums, but Pop is without a doubt the stronger, meatier work. Zooropa in comparison is just an appetizer
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Post by: U2boy14 on April 28, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
Zooropa. "Lemon" puts it over the top for me.
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Post by: iced on April 30, 2017, 03:33:29 AM
Such a dilemma. My two favorite U2 albums.

In the end, I went with Zooropa.
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Post by: il_capo on April 30, 2017, 03:43:38 AM
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Zooropa. "Lemon" puts it over the top for me.

There's nothing as good as Lemon on Pop, but overall Zooropa feels a bit sparse compared to the two albums which sandwich it (AB and Pop).
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Post by: an tha on April 30, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
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Zooropa. "Lemon" puts it over the top for me.

There's nothing as good as Lemon on Pop, but overall Zooropa feels a bit sparse compared to the two albums which sandwich it (AB and Pop).

I'd say there is an argument for Lemon being one of the bands finest moments. It is daring, risky and different as well as sounded mature, deep and carrying a punch.

Arguably for me the moment u2 best meshed together all their different leanings.

Also think it is criminally under appreciated.
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Post by: MPare1966 on April 30, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
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Zooropa. "Lemon" puts it over the top for me.

There's nothing as good as Lemon on Pop, but overall Zooropa feels a bit sparse compared to the two albums which sandwich it (AB and Pop).

I'd say there is an argument for Lemon being one of the bands finest moments. It is daring, risky and different as well as sounded mature, deep and carrying a punch.

Arguably for me the moment u2 best meshed together all their different leanings.

Also think it is criminally under appreciated.

+1
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Post by: THRILLHO on April 30, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
this is a lot closer than i thought it would be. glad to see the Zooropa love is still alive and well.
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Post by: ckamp on May 01, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
I voted for Pop, but Dirty Day made me feel bad about it.
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Post by: mofospacejunk on May 03, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
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Pop. Zooropa is great, my third favorite U2 album, but Pop much stronger overall. Outside of the title track, Zooropa doesn't have a Mofo or Discotheque.

Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car kicks more ass, I would say

Agree - my first thought.
Title: Re: Which do you like better: Zooropa or Pop?
Post by: monopoly on May 03, 2017, 01:08:00 AM
Pop has stuff that I feel like is more along the lines of songs and music. Zooropa is one of those albums of sounds that can take you places. Very close call, I choose pop.
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Post by: Smee on May 05, 2017, 09:55:09 AM
Pop has a much more complete sound to it. Zooropa always had a glorified EP feel to it. (still a great album tho)
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Post by: Nagrom76 on May 09, 2017, 06:48:51 PM
Zooropa, on the merit that zooropa is one of their best tracks ever.
Title: Zooropra is one of U2's most underrated albums . . .
Post by: Hawkmoon255 on May 11, 2017, 01:06:36 PM
Of course, many would say the same about Pop.  Pop will always have nostalgic meaning for me as it was the first album release I was a part of / aware of and anticipated in the run-up (and Popmart was my first tour).  I was became a U2 fan in the Zoo TV era, but was more catching up on the music and not so savvy about news and current happenings.  Zooropa's release happened before I knew it was coming.

But, all that Pop-era nostalgia notwithstanding, I think Zooropa is the better album (and I'm not a Pop hater-  I like it a good bit -just less than Zooropa).  In fact, I think U2 has four "masterpieces,"  JT, Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Rattle & Hum.   

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Post by: THRILLHO on May 11, 2017, 07:04:40 PM
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Of course, many would say the same about Pop.  Pop will always have nostalgic meaning for me as it was the first album release I was a part of / aware of and anticipated in the run-up (and Popmart was my first tour).  I was became a U2 fan in the Zoo TV era, but was more catching up on the music and not so savvy about news and current happenings. Zooropa's release happened before I knew it was coming.

But, all that Pop-era nostalgia notwithstanding, I think Zooropa is the better album (and I'm not a Pop hater-  I like it a good bit -just less than Zooropa).  In fact, I think U2 has four "masterpieces,"  JT, Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Rattle & Hum.

well plus there was no internet at least not as we know it today to obsess over all the movings and happenings of the band.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 11, 2017, 07:17:54 PM

"Pop" by a landslide, although the "Zoo Station" track is pretty awesome. "Mofo" and "Do You Feel Loved?" are amazing tracks.
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Post by: THRILLHO on May 11, 2017, 09:02:36 PM
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"Pop" by a landslide, although the "Zoo Station" track is pretty awesome. "Mofo" and "Do You Feel Loved?" are amazing tracks.

uhhh...you're thinking of Pop v Achtung Baby. Pop doesn't win THAT match up either ;)
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Post by: Blueyedboy on May 12, 2017, 06:08:50 AM
Zooropa, son of Achtung Baby or father of Pop?
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Post by: World71R on May 12, 2017, 07:50:19 AM
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Zooropa, son of Achtung Baby or father of Pop?

That's a good way of looking at it. Then the mother of Pop would be OS1.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 12, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
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Zooropa, son of Achtung Baby or father of Pop?
Son of Achtung Baby, because it continues from where U2's experimentation left off. Pop isn't experimental, you can argue that it is for U2, but it is very different from Zooropa.
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Post by: THRILLHO on May 12, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
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only 3 behind. good.
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Post by: MPare1966 on May 12, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
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Zooropa, son of Achtung Baby or father of Pop?

Great proposition!

It's more the son of AB, but you can feel Pop being born in that album.
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Post by: Kmama07 on May 12, 2017, 04:18:04 PM
Too close to call for me.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on May 12, 2017, 07:29:52 PM
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Zooropa, son of Achtung Baby or father of Pop?

Great proposition!

It's more the son of AB, but you can feel Pop being born in that album.

I agree, of course Zooropa will forever be linked with AB due to the shared Zoo TV/Zooropa/Zoomarang tours but the break beats and electronica that punctuate Pop are born on this album. Numb and almost all of side 2 could be Pop Lite songs, with Daddy's Gonna Pay having the kind of kick ass beat that drive songs like Mofo and DYFL (just not the lyrics haha).

It's not the most persuasive of arguments but there's enough there for me to run and run and run with this   ;D
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Post by: THRILLHO on May 13, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
oh wow Zoo is only 2 down thats the closest it's been yet