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General U2 Discussion / Re: U2 Dad jokes
« Last post by JohnMegadeth on Today at 08:51:58 AM »
My go-to with my son (who turns 9 tomorrow):

Me: "I love you."

Son: "I love you, too."

Me: "What's your favorite song?"

Son: "DAAAAAD..."
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Mr. Sarajevo 20 requested some locations, here we go!

Here are the top five U2 Joshua Tree locations in the desert of California and Nevada to see.

The Joshua Tree

Zabriskie Point

Harmony Hotel

Downtown LA Liquor Store

Fremont Street Experience

Coming from the left side of Death Valley off of HWY 395. Hop onto HWY 190 from there, I will not tell you the exact location of the Joshua Tree.
Another location is Zabriskie Point. You have to keep driving on the 190 through Death Valley to Zabriskie Point. Now here is one location that is out of the way, Harmony Hotel, 71161 29 Palms Hwy, Twentynine Palms, CA 92277. This hotel is down by Los Angeles to the right. Its in the desert next to the actual Joshua Tree National Park. Zabriskie Point is 5 hours north, away from the hotel. The downtown liqour store that was filmed for "Streets" was on 7th and Main St downtown LA. Its now a mexican restaurant. Of course to finish this up you should go to Las Vegas "old town" as we call it and go to the Fremont Street Experience and sing "I still haven't found" while climbing on cars.

Great work.

Thank you.
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Tours / Re: Lip-syncing!?
« Last post by Droo on Today at 07:52:25 AM »
Bono was definitely singing live at Montreal 1. The synthy voices were from the recorded album version but the rest of it was subtly different in timing from the album.
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Tours / Re: Lip-syncing!?
« Last post by JTNash on Today at 07:46:50 AM »
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I don't see how it can be done live without screwing it up. What is easily done in playback, when live requires absolutely perfect timing by Bono (good luck with that) and in the sound booth. Our ears will hear the smallest mistakes in timing. And it can sound quite unnatural even if timing is good, whereas a lighter touch can be applied in post.

Itís done live every day.  Did you see Black-eyed Peas open on 360?  They do it routinely.  Vocal processors can pitch correct, double, harmonize real-time.  The part you are talking about in the song is double-tracked.  They could have the pitch-affected track on playback while Bono sings the ďnormalĒ voice.  They use backing tracks (as do most bands) on many of their songs.  Why would this one be any different?   And why would he be lip-synching the part that doesnít have that effect?

Iím sure there is some reason they did it.  Who knows?  Maybe it was for some artistic statement related to mortality or  feeling half gone or detached laying in an MRI.  But it wasnít anywhere near necessary for technical reasons.


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not all that black eyed peas stuff is live
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Tours / Re: Lip-syncing!?
« Last post by Tortuga on Today at 06:44:16 AM »
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I don't see how it can be done live without screwing it up. What is easily done in playback, when live requires absolutely perfect timing by Bono (good luck with that) and in the sound booth. Our ears will hear the smallest mistakes in timing. And it can sound quite unnatural even if timing is good, whereas a lighter touch can be applied in post.

Itís done live every day.  Did you see Black-eyed Peas open on 360?  They do it routinely.  Vocal processors can pitch correct, double, harmonize real-time.  The part you are talking about in the song is double-tracked.  They could have the pitch-affected track on playback while Bono sings the ďnormalĒ voice.  They use backing tracks (as do most bands) on many of their songs.  Why would this one be any different?   And why would he be lip-synching the part that doesnít have that effect?

Iím sure there is some reason they did it.  Who knows?  Maybe it was for some artistic statement related to mortality or  feeling half gone or detached laying in an MRI.  But it wasnít anywhere near necessary for technical reasons.


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Tours / Re: Lip-syncing!?
« Last post by laoghaire on Today at 06:22:33 AM »
I don't see how it can be done live without screwing it up. What is easily done in playback, when live requires absolutely perfect timing by Bono (good luck with that) and in the sound booth. Our ears will hear the smallest mistakes in timing. And it can sound quite unnatural even if timing is good, whereas a lighter touch can be applied in post.
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Itís impossible to know if the vast majority of the E + I attendees are casual fans, die-hards or something in between, but I see this as a slow change that started in 2009 with 360.

The casual fans come out when the band is more popular and in demand. This is not one of the bands more popular moments. Based on attendance and rate of ticket sales when their released, this feels more like a POPMART moment. POPMART was seen by Die Hards. The Casuals stayed home leading to half empty stadiums in some markets. The two tours for the latest two albums find the band in the same spot and its likely that the ratio of die hards to casuals is about the same as it was on POPMART. I don't have hard evidence to prove all that, but I suspect its largely correct.


Agreed that the vast majority of POPMARTís attendees were die-hards, but I challenge the comparison of 1997 to 2015-18 considering how different the music and concert industries are today. Itís all about touring and, to millions of consumers, itís all about nostalgia. There are still lots of people out there who havenít seen U2 and theyíre now taking advantage of their numerous chances, especially in the big cities. They see their ads on their FB or Instagram feed (or an email from TM or Live Nation) and think, let me check them off the list. The influx of casual fans has in no way slowed. How about 1 final Club tour and letís end it where it started? Iíll start saving up for that right now.
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Tours / Re: Lip-syncing!?
« Last post by JTNash on Today at 03:58:55 AM »
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So people calm down the vocals in that song are synthesized or computerized whatever itís called for effect.  So a human voice canít recreate it.  Iím sure thatís part it all this.

Its just pitch processing.  It can be processed just as easily live as in the studio, or close enough. 


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if they want to worry about that live
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Tours / Re: How many U2 shows have you seen?
« Last post by wons on Today at 12:53:06 AM »
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At least 85 . . . Could be more but I've lost count . . . I think I deserve one of those Apollo Theater tickets, but I didn't get a message, so I guess I struck out.  :'( :'( :'(


Damn! You are the champion of this list by a mile. 85! Possibly more! What was your first show?
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Itís impossible to know if the vast majority of the E + I attendees are casual fans, die-hards or something in between, but I see this as a slow change that started in 2009 with 360. I sat 1st row upper deck at Giants Stadium (on the side) and remember this weird feeling being surrounded by very mellow folks who sat for half the show. The Vertigo tour I was last row upper deck in Boston (albeit an arena) and didnít see a single soul sitting the whole show. 360 was the beginning of the downturn...record-setting tour, but it was in support of an underwhelming album (now weíre at 3 tours in a row where most people, not me, donít want to hear anything new) and it let in a new crop of undesirable casual fans into the mix. E + I needs to be reimagined somewhat to include some moments of ďspontaneityĒ and surprise. The most static setlists since ZooTV indoor (but there was a reason for that) and itís almost like Bono doesnít want to connect with the fans anymore. Whereís the guest guitar player from the crowd or a girl he can dance with on stage? The show is a bummer and it was the last thing weíd expect right now. Nothing left to lose, especially after the near death experience. Just let it all go and letís have fun. 40 years of EXPERIENCE and this is what they may leave us with forever? I get 13 as the closer and the somber moments, but it unfortunately outweighs the limited high points. Disappointing.



Iíve been going to U2 shows since the mid-80s and I donít ever remember everybody standing all way through the show.

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Really? How many people do you see sitting down at the Red Rocks show? If what you say is so, you should be able to post links from youtube with whole sections of the audience sitting down on each tour since the mid-1980s. I've not seen any yet on youtube. I was in the nose bleed sections for some ZOO TV shows and POPMART shows, while being on the floor for others, and no one was sitting down at all. Last week in D.C. though, you had entire sections in the upper levels sitting down. That's the whole reason I started this thread. I saw something that was shocking and unusual at a U2 concert that I had never seen before after seeing the band 21 times prior to this tour.
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