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Title: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 10, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
I'll get the ball rolling.  I don't intend for this thread to be all about negative stuff.  But we as fans sometimes have different thoughts about the band and its music.


Songs of Innocence had zero strong singles.  Very disappointing for an album that took 5 and a half years to be released.  None of the songs from SOI will become tour staples. 
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Post by: Catlithco on September 10, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
Well your question is about the same than 100000000 others..
Why is it not possible to be happy that they're still together as a band after now 41 (!!!!) years in a few days and that they're still healthy and in form to tour and enjoy going on tour.
It will end some day....
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Post by: JFW on September 10, 2017, 10:48:25 AM
SOI is a fine album. Listen to it pretty often.
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Post by: BalconyTV on September 10, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
The band have lots of writers, and are not as creatively involved with their music as we think. Right down to the instrumentals.

I mostly think this, because I still struggle to join any connection between the band of the 80s and 90s to the band we have at this moment. Not that I mind there new-er output. But sometimes I just think... who is writing this stuff.

I also always wonder why we can't hear Pop in full on any website. It was interesting and random how Eno got credits on No Line. And downright puzzling how Ryan Tedder is involved at all.
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Post by: aviastar on September 10, 2017, 01:42:31 PM
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Songs of Innocence had zero strong singles.  Very disappointing for an album that took 5 and a half years to be released.  None of the songs from SOI will become tour staples.

If Every Breaking Wave had been released 20 years earlier, it would have been considered one of U2's best songs and a tour staple.



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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 10, 2017, 02:01:16 PM
Here's a controversial thought, at least on this forum:
"NLOTH" was a very good album.  So was "October".  "Breathe", "Miracle", and "Magnificent" are very good songs.  These seem to be controversial and politically incorrect thoughts on this forum.
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Post by: ciaz on September 10, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
NLOTH is not nearly as experimental as some people on here claim.


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Post by: jaredlabbq on September 10, 2017, 04:28:46 PM
All That You Can't Leave Behind is U2's best album since Pop. There. Just my humble opinion, though.
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Post by: Spaderholic on September 10, 2017, 04:34:05 PM
In my opinion SOI is one of the worst albums U2 has ever released, whilst Pop is one of the best. Also I think Beautiful Day is highly overrated whilst I think Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car is severely underrated! :)
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Post by: WhenIsSOE on September 10, 2017, 04:34:21 PM
Everything except Miami is good.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :P ::)
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Post by: riffraff on September 10, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.
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Post by: WhenIsSOE on September 10, 2017, 04:34:49 PM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.
Right on!
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Post by: riffraff on September 10, 2017, 04:35:19 PM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.
Right on!
:)
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Post by: Moser on September 10, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
I think the Refugee is the best song of War.
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Post by: U2_One on September 10, 2017, 04:45:45 PM
The gaps between each of their albums isn't much for me, but I rank all of R&H, NLOTH and SOI in my top 5.
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Post by: Clarky on September 10, 2017, 04:54:42 PM
I have a strong affection for NLOTH and feel like it's a freshing and mostly underappreciated experimental record. (aside from a couple of clunkers)
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Post by: imaginary friend on September 10, 2017, 05:02:51 PM
21st Century U2 music > '80s U2 music.
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Post by: ultravioletlight on September 10, 2017, 05:26:42 PM
Gone is highly overrated.
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Post by: miryclay on September 10, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
Edge just used that Trump presser excuse to buy more time.
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 10, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
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Edge just used that Trump presser excuse to buy more time.

i think most of us agree with this.

i wouldn't have been bothered if they'd retired post-Elevation. and i think that was the last tour they were really truly great on and gave it their all.
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Post by: scrittoresabino on September 10, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
I LOVE some of the most HATED U2 songs:

Unknown Caller
Playboy Mansion
Elevation
I'll Go Crazy
Stand Up Comedy
Love Rescue Me
Volcano
Wild Honey

AND, I'll go even further. With the exception of Elevation & Volcano, these songs are wildly different from one other (even Elevation vs Volcano are different - the latter has a funk groove, while Elevation is much brighter pop-rock/punk.) And U2 are a better band, partially for having songs like these. The wide variety of strong responses to these songs are proof that they are not just forgettable throwaways or boring. (and YES, the responses are strong. Actions speak louder than just words, and if you repeatedly bring up the hatred, than your actions tell everyone how strong your response is.) These songs are proof that U2 is indeed going against what is expected, not just catering to fans. They just gave some fans how crave for a certain era, or sound, something that they don't like, and were not hoping for. Period.

Claims of being overly pop or overly "Elevation-like" so the band has lost it are ridiculous and statistically false. This is NOT opinion, this is fact. In 13 studio album (not including SOE), there are not more than 5 Elevation-type of songs. Correct me if I am wrong on that count. 5 out of roughly 130 songs (underestimate of 10 song x 13 studio album, not even including the many brides, or Passengers, that is 3.85%. That negligible amount is what many people base theories on.

I'm thinking the count of "pure" pop songs and percentage is even lower.

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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 10, 2017, 09:52:31 PM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

Oh the humanity!  ;)
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Post by: AKDeepPlay on September 10, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
I think NLOTH horizon is one of their best, top 3 for me.
I think SOI is their worst.
I have a theory that bands that actually make it to their 13th album have completely run out of steam and have nothing left to say. Ex: R.E.M./Around the Sun = U2/Songs of Innocence
I hope that after SOE they release SOA then break up.
Since I've been a rabid fan since 83 and lived through all of their incarnations I think my opinion counts more.
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Post by: inztantkarma on September 11, 2017, 01:23:23 AM
Love this thread idea.....

For mine it would be defending Rattle & Hum... The record AND the movie. I can't help feeling like even the fans have brought into the bands take on the record and the movie over time. To the point now that most rank it fairly low and bang out the same cliches the band often do when talking about the record. That is, that the whole idea was in hindsight perhaps ill-conceived at best and something they have gone to great lengths to distance themselves from. While that thought provided the creative fuel to ignite Achtung Baby - this record is savagely underrated as a result.

Some of the best studio and live moments caught in the one album. All I Want Is You is one of their very best, in my humble opinion. Desire a perfect 45 long before they agonised about creating such a thing. Heartland whispers into your ear and never leaves. Angel of Harlem a great tune still haunting the radio. Hawkmoon a hidden beast and God Part II a lost gem and the one that led the way to the Achtung sound. And Bullet is at its live epic best here.

And the movie.... U2 at their most U2ish. Moody, intense and in scorching rock form. Infinitely quotable and launched a thousand coverband copying Bono kicking a mic stand, flicking his hair or ranting whilst swaggering angrily down a runway.

Rattle & Hum defender. And proud of it.
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Post by: aviastar on September 11, 2017, 05:08:11 AM
Unknown Caller is a good song despite some not so great lyrics.  I remember absolutely loving it when NLOTH was released.
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Post by: riffraff on September 11, 2017, 05:19:28 AM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

Oh the humanity!  ;)
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Post by: lazyboy on September 11, 2017, 05:52:14 AM
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Unknown Caller is a good song despite some not so great lyrics.  I remember absolutely loving it when NLOTH was released.

The lyrics are silly but I adore the melody and tune.
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Post by: Bundang Dave on September 11, 2017, 07:12:50 AM
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I think the Refugee is the best song of War.

I don't think it's the best, but for me it's third best (behind the not-so-controversial picks of SBS and NYD).

How about this:

90s U2 was the band pandering to the alternative crowd in an attempt to get hipster credibility. The music they did before and since has been the band making the kind of music they like.
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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 11, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
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Love this thread idea.....

For mine it would be defending Rattle & Hum... The record AND the movie. I can't help feeling like even the fans have brought into the bands take on the record and the movie over time. To the point now that most rank it fairly low and bang out the same cliches the band often do when talking about the record. That is, that the whole idea was in hindsight perhaps ill-conceived at best and something they have gone to great lengths to distance themselves from. While that thought provided the creative fuel to ignite Achtung Baby - this record is savagely underrated as a result.

Some of the best studio and live moments caught in the one album. All I Want Is You is one of their very best, in my humble opinion. Desire a perfect 45 long before they agonised about creating such a thing. Heartland whispers into your ear and never leaves. Angel of Harlem a great tune still haunting the radio. Hawkmoon a hidden beast and God Part II a lost gem and the one that led the way to the Achtung sound. And Bullet is at its live epic best here.

And the movie.... U2 at their most U2ish. Moody, intense and in scorching rock form. Infinitely quotable and launched a thousand coverband copying Bono kicking a mic stand, flicking his hair or ranting whilst swaggering angrily down a runway.

Rattle & Hum defender. And proud of it.

Agreed.  100%.
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Post by: ZEROpartII on September 11, 2017, 09:25:42 AM
Some of U2's worst songs ever are their closers. I'm including Wake Up Dead Man in the group with clunkers like

- Shadows and Tall Trees
- Grace
- Cedars of Lebanon

Bono also overuses the term punk to describe the band post 2000.  They were a soft offshoot of punk in the very beginning but then formed their own genre of Earnest Stadium Rock in the age of Hair.  Bono just needs to shut up about being punk.

I have a political opinion but not gonna go into detail, but Bono should grow up and actually meet Trump if the opportunity arises.  For a guy who's bipartisan approach I admire as he's matured the B-man is taking the low road right now. 


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Post by: Magnificent on September 11, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Drowning Man is their best tune by a country mile.
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Post by: julez728 on September 11, 2017, 10:11:14 AM
After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
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Post by: riffraff on September 11, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.
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Post by: aviastar on September 11, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.

I could see after having a tour devoted to TJT - where TJT is played every show, that maybe taking a break from TJT stuff would be good idea.  For at least the next tour.  After all, maybe with SOE/E+I they could focus on both the new album, a little of SOI, and some stuff that doesn't get a lot of play (Zooropa and Pop).  They've been playing those two songs heavily on most tours since the 80s...maybe it's time to rotate them out for a little while...I'd add IWF and Pride to that list as well...maybe One as well.
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Post by: lazyboy on September 11, 2017, 10:50:45 AM
that would be great. Cut all the old war horses and give us much less played stuff. Very doubtful they'd do that. Maybe indoors they'd be more inclined to.
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Post by: aviastar on September 11, 2017, 10:53:17 AM
That lends to another controversial U2 thought: I loved One when AB came out.  Now I find it a yawner.  It's an unquestionably great song....but I am so burned out on it after so many years it's not one that I really reach for anymore.
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Post by: AKDeepPlay on September 11, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
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That lends to another controversial U2 thought: I loved One when AB came out.  Now I find it a yawner.  It's an unquestionably great song....but I am so burned out on it after so many years it's not one that I really reach for anymore.

I feel the same way about Pride - It actually keeps TUF from being my #1.
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Post by: Smee on September 11, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
My doubtlessly controversial u2 thought is, that it is at least 20 yrs now, since we have had a truly great u2 album.
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Post by: sulphur76 on September 11, 2017, 12:01:28 PM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.

I could see after having a tour devoted to TJT - where TJT is played every show, that maybe taking a break from TJT stuff would be good idea.  For at least the next tour.  After all, maybe with SOE/E+I they could focus on both the new album, a little of SOI, and some stuff that doesn't get a lot of play (Zooropa and Pop).  They've been playing those two songs heavily on most tours since the 80s...maybe it's time to rotate them out for a little while...I'd add IWF and Pride to that list as well...maybe One as well.

One could make the argument that after touring extensively in 2014-15, and a stadium tour in 2017, they may actually NEED to focus on playing some rarely played songs to get their fan base into the seats in 2018. I have friends that would be willing to come out if they included more songs from AB/Zooropa/POP, but probably would not come out for the new album + the warhorses. Depending on how good or bad the new album is, I might be in the same boat.
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Post by: julez728 on September 11, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.

I could see after having a tour devoted to TJT - where TJT is played every show, that maybe taking a break from TJT stuff would be good idea.  For at least the next tour.  After all, maybe with SOE/E+I they could focus on both the new album, a little of SOI, and some stuff that doesn't get a lot of play (Zooropa and Pop).  They've been playing those two songs heavily on most tours since the 80s...maybe it's time to rotate them out for a little while...I'd add IWF and Pride to that list as well...maybe One as well.

To be honest, I thought they should have been dropped on the last tour. 

I agree with adding Pride to the list.  As far as One, I missed it last tour so it was nice to hear it again on TJT.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 11, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
Taking the low road?!!  No comment.
     I agree with the above poster that "Volcano", "Unknown Caller", "Breathe", and "Stand Up Comedy" are good to great songs.  Perhaps NLOTH was ahead of its time?
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Post by: Pride on September 11, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
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Here's a controversial thought, at least on this forum:
"NLOTH" was a very good album.  So was "October".  "Breathe", "Miracle", and "Magnificent" are very good songs.  These seem to be controversial and politically incorrect thoughts on this forum.

NLOTH was totally their best album of the 21st century, and October is my favorite album from the 80's.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 11, 2017, 05:25:37 PM
I much prefer NLOTH to SOI...!
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Post by: monopoly on September 11, 2017, 05:30:01 PM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.

It's not unlikely. I thought those two tracks were cut from vertigo tour? I think streets and WOWY will stay next year
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Post by: julez728 on September 11, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.
WOW. Honestly, I don't disagree with this! But, it is a controversial thought.

It's not unlikely. I thought those two tracks were cut from vertigo tour? I think streets and WOWY will stay next year

It's possible they were...would have to look.  ISHFWILF wasn't played much during the last tour if I remember correctly.  I honestly don't think they will ever cut out Streets...I would be surprised if they did.
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Post by: akindofhomecoming on September 11, 2017, 07:05:09 PM
Maybe I was just high, but "New York" is the best moment on the Boston DVD.

"One" and "Pride" are overrated.
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 11, 2017, 07:08:03 PM
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After this tour I hope they cut ISHFWILF and With or Without You from any future set list.

ive been saying this for years now. i really wish they'd cut more 80s out of the set, i'm sure they wont put Pop songs in but theres plenty of post-Pop i'd love to hear. Kite, NY, Fez, Magnificent, TIWYCRMN, Cedarwood Road etc.

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Maybe I was just high, but "New York" is the best moment on the Boston DVD.

"One" and "Pride" are overrated.

One is amazing but yea they can drop that from the set. Pride i'll add to WOWY and ISHF as song that desperately need to be dropped. They could be replaced with AIWIY, ASOH, God part 2, so so many other 80's songs/singles they ignore.
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Post by: ian ryan on September 11, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
Bad is a boring song for U2, especially live. Every time it is played instead of A Sort Of Homecoming on the Joshua Tree 2017 tour, my heart breaks a bit. 

Oh it feels good get that off my chest, haha.
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Post by: ian ryan on September 11, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
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Unknown Caller is a good song despite some not so great lyrics.  I remember absolutely loving it when NLOTH was released.

The lyrics are silly but I adore the melody and tune.

I like both the fact that it's a song by Mac users and that they were able to use the phrase "shush now".
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 11, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
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Bad is a boring song for U2, especially live. Every time it is played instead of A Sort Of Homecoming on the Joshua Tree 2017 tour, my heart breaks a bit. 

Oh it feels good get that off my chest, haha.

its great live most of the time but yea i was bummed they didnt play ASOH in Arlington
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Post by: KenKaniff on September 11, 2017, 08:27:48 PM
I don't like October or NLOTH at all.

I do like Pop but some people really blow it out to be better than it is. No, U2 isn't going to perform any of the songs or release a remastered/anniversary edition of this album. They ran as far as possible away from this album. They are never coming back.

Joshua Tree tour wasn't for 30th year anniversary or because it made sense in the world. It was because they needed a win. U2 is a band about being big and winning, and they haven't since ATYCLB (except for probably the Vertigo single). That's a long time to go without a win. Especially with two albums that not many people outside of U2 fans that cared. They needed to regroup and an easy win with JT30 tour.

I don't like "Little Things" or "Best Thing" at all. I do like "Blackout", but I love it even more than I probably should, because I compare it against output of the last 15thish years.

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Post by: andrewau2 on September 11, 2017, 08:44:09 PM
The Edge ruined post 1990s U2.

He stopped playing rocking chords with experimental effects on songs.  He went back to his chiming, arpeggio, echo guitar sound and never went back.

Plus, he is the one that over thinks the records and won't let them be released until they are over produced.  The control freak in him micromanages too much (e.g. he even had to be the  one to work on the video for "You're the Best Thing About Me.")

Still love him and their music though.
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Post by: DK46 on September 11, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
Achtung Baby is their worst album.  JUST KIDDING.

In all seriousness, not sure if this is controversial, but I think U2 might be a better band name than The Hype.  But I sorta dig Feedback.  Initially, I like Bono, agreed U2 was a terrible band name, but it kinda stuck.

I think The Playboy Mansion is pretty great (as is Miami).  While it probably would've helped the record, I think Discotheque was an awesome choice for a lead single and I still love the video.

And wait for it...I enjoy Wild Honey. 
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 11, 2017, 11:47:58 PM
U2s relevance died the moment the Good Friday peace agreement was signed.
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Post by: benpoke on September 12, 2017, 12:11:42 AM
Elevation would have fit easily onto Pop.  (Which is why I can't quite understand people that love Pop but hate Elevation.)

If U2 had have initially presented it on the Popmart tour under the giant golden arch with Edge's handlebar moustache, it would have made absolute perfect sense, sonically, aesthetically and lyrically. 

Part of the reason it grates for some people is because it doesn't work with U2's more serious image/persona of this century.
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 12, 2017, 12:14:18 AM
its the horrid lyrics. say what you will about Pop but i personally don't think any of the lyrics stoop as low as Elevations mole in a hole, i and i in the sky, etc.
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Post by: benpoke on September 12, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
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its the horrid lyrics. say what you will about Pop but i personally don't think any of the lyrics stoop as low as Elevations mole in a hole, i and i in the sky, etc.

This one springs to mind:

"You know some places are like your auntie, but there’s no place like Miami! My mammy!"
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 12, 2017, 12:57:07 AM
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its the horrid lyrics. say what you will about Pop but i personally don't think any of the lyrics stoop as low as Elevations mole in a hole, i and i in the sky, etc.

This one springs to mind:

"You know some places are like your auntie, but there’s no place like Miami! My mammy!"

Poetic
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Post by: ZEROpartII on September 12, 2017, 04:15:15 AM
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U2s relevance died the moment the Good Friday peace agreement was signed.
They are like Military Industrial Complex. Highly functional when the body count is high.





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Post by: sulphur76 on September 12, 2017, 05:59:05 AM
I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

I love Elvis Presley and America. I understand people who don't like it because of the incoherent lyrics through most of the song, but the feel of the song is great. The textures of Edge's guitars, the melodies Bono sings, and even some of the on-the-spot lyrics you can understand, "and my heart is ripped out from the side."
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Post by: soloyan on September 12, 2017, 06:04:41 AM
No more jokes. I do have a TRULY CONTROVERSIAL thought.

Elevation Tour > Zoo TV Tour

I'm not trolling. I genuinely believe U2 peaked on the Elevation Tour.

That's where they played the older tunes better, for instance. I rank the 2001 versions of "Streets", "Bullet", "Mysterious Ways", "Out of Control", "New Year's day" or "The Fly" higher than any other. Perfect balance between live action and screens. Perfect stage design for arenas. Interesting set lists (by U2's standards). Even ATYCLB songs sounded good in that context. Also, they didn't play "City of Blinding Lights" yet.
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Post by: aviastar on September 12, 2017, 06:36:42 AM
I don't know if this is controversial or not:

I used to take it personally when non-U2 fans would bash the band and say they sucked. Now, I am actually cool with it...I actually think U2 would do well playing to long-time fans. It means more space in GA, not as long lines for tickets, etc...
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Post by: julez728 on September 12, 2017, 06:39:15 AM
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I don't know if this is controversial or not:

I used to take it personally when non-U2 fans would bash the band and say they sucked. Now, I am actually cool with it...I actually think U2 would do well playing to long-time fans. It means more space in GA, not as long lines for tickets, etc...

I used to take it personally as well, but I then realized it's their loss and there is nothing I can say to change their minds.  :)
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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 12, 2017, 07:15:50 AM
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Bad is a boring song for U2, especially live. Every time it is played instead of A Sort Of Homecoming on the Joshua Tree 2017 tour, my heart breaks a bit. 

Oh it feels good get that off my chest, haha.


That was one of the main goals I had when I started this thread.

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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 12, 2017, 07:31:59 AM
Controversial thought of the day:

U2 always went through phases throughout their career:

The young, fresh faced Boy and October phase.
The more grown up political War phase
The band on the rise, Live Aid era phase
The dress like desert pilgrims Joshua Tree phase
The Zoo TV phase
The Popmart cowboy hats and muscle shirts phase
The back to basics Bono glasses and Edge number tshirts phase

But for the past 10-15 years it seems like the band has lost its trademark ability to morph into a different style.  The band has kind of looked the same and to a degree SOUNDED the same since then.  Sure there have been a few different hairstyles and Adam ditched his glasses.  But nothing compared to how the band changed its look from the Lovetown tour into the early nineties Achtung Baby/Zoo TV look.
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Post by: fardreamer on September 12, 2017, 07:36:38 AM
I think the Joshua Tree is very overrated. It's not in my top 5.

I think if they'd delayed Zooropa and released some kind of amalgamation of Zooropa and Pop in 1995/96 it would have been easily their greatest record and I'm a little bitter this didn't happen.

I think All That You can't Leave Behind is an excellent record.

I think No Line on the Horizon could have been a classic if they'd stuck to the original vision and it wasn't compromised.

I don't care about the band's taxes. Not even a tiny bit.

I loved the SOI iTunes release and hate that Bono apologised.

I think You're the Best Thing About Me is their best single since Beautiful Day.

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Post by: aviastar on September 12, 2017, 07:56:23 AM
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I loved the SOI iTunes release and hate that Bono apologised.

Agree. People who sign up for a free service (including agreeing to a lengthy TOS contract that they click on and don't read) have no right to b**** about getting free music from said service. Bono should not have apologized.
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Post by: Neil Young, man! on September 12, 2017, 08:47:39 AM
The pre-recorded fillers, the under-stage musicians and the pre-recorded one/two/three cues Larry is listening to are more embarrassing than we as fans care to admit.
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Post by: Neil Young, man! on September 12, 2017, 08:49:26 AM
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No more jokes. I do have a TRULY CONTROVERSIAL thought.

Elevation Tour > Zoo TV Tour

I'm not trolling. I genuinely believe U2 peaked on the Elevation Tour.

That's where they played the older tunes better, for instance. I rank the 2001 versions of "Streets", "Bullet", "Mysterious Ways", "Out of Control", "New Year's day" or "The Fly" higher than any other. Perfect balance between live action and screens. Perfect stage design for arenas. Interesting set lists (by U2's standards). Even ATYCLB songs sounded good in that context. Also, they didn't play "City of Blinding Lights" yet.
That is truly controversial, but I agree. Zoo TV had the novelty factor and swagger, but Elevation was way more solid. And it had a GREAT show starter (this is a test to see if An Tha is still on the forum).
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Post by: Johnny Feathers on September 12, 2017, 09:06:56 AM
Most of what folks dislike about post-90's U2 had its origins with Achtung Baby.


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Post by: aviastar on September 12, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
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The pre-recorded fillers, the under-stage musicians and the pre-recorded one/two/three cues Larry is listening to are more embarrassing than we as fans care to admit.

I have a feeling that this is not exactly novel to modern rock shows though...It can't be only U2 who does this, no?
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Post by: Neil Young, man! on September 12, 2017, 09:40:02 AM
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The pre-recorded fillers, the under-stage musicians and the pre-recorded one/two/three cues Larry is listening to are more embarrassing than we as fans care to admit.

I have a feeling that this is not exactly novel to modern rock shows though...It can't be only U2 who does this, no?
Probably right that others do it, but I actually don't think to the extent that U2 do/ And I am sure there are some that would absolutely never do it. It is true that many others solve the problem by adding more people on stage. Still a little embarrassing for U2 though imho, and many times unnecessary, the filler stuff does not add that much in many cases.
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Post by: mattryan94 on September 12, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
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The pre-recorded fillers, the under-stage musicians and the pre-recorded one/two/three cues Larry is listening to are more embarrassing than we as fans care to admit.

I have a feeling that this is not exactly novel to modern rock shows though...It can't be only U2 who does this, no?
Probably right that others do it, but I actually don't think to the extent that U2 do/ And I am sure there are some that would absolutely never do it. It is true that many others solve the problem by adding more people on stage. Still a little embarrassing for U2 though imho, and many times unnecessary, the filler stuff does not add that much in many cases.

To be fair at least they themselves are playing the stuff live. That's a major issue I have with a lot of rap concerts I've been to. Dudes are literally just rapping parts of bars over the song. No the instrumental, but the actual song with the vocals. Sometimes they'll only recites the last few words from a bar and I can't help but think why am I here?? The live concert experience has become pretty odd these days.
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Post by: Rasmus on September 12, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
Ordinary Love is a great pop song
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Post by: scott7 on September 12, 2017, 04:02:13 PM
October is one of their best albums.
Pop is overrated by folk here (though I love it it is not in their top 5).
Song for someone is beautiful.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 12, 2017, 06:03:13 PM
Scott, I agree that "October" is one of their best.  Feels very spur of the moment, which actually it is.
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Post by: jenniferh aka jen on September 12, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
I do not like MW being played live anymore, even though Edge's guitar is great this tour! It was because it was ruined for me during i+e with the whole dragging the same fans up on stage thing.

Larry has taken over as the coolest member of the band. Adam lost that badge when he started sporting that horrible hair in 2012-2014. (His hair is much better now, but the stigma is still there)

This probably isn't controversial: I think Adam is paying closer attention to the writing and playing of his instrument then he has in the past. It really started with NLOTH. He seems more confident in his playing and music writing abilities and is showcasing them more.

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Post by: aviastar on September 12, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
Here's one: U2 is my favorite band but as musical talent goes they got nothing on Beck's band...his drummer was insanely good tonight.

U2 are far better showmen and performers though.

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Post by: THRILLHO on September 12, 2017, 11:01:01 PM
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Here's one: U2 is my favorite band but as musical talent goes they got nothing on Beck's band...his drummer was insanely good tonight.

U2 are far better showmen and performers though.

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idk Beck is insanely good as both of those things.
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Post by: Spacejunk69 on September 13, 2017, 02:28:32 AM
Shadows And tall Trees, Elvis Presley And America, Trip Through Your Wires, Miami, Grace, Cedars, TIWYCRMN - are all fabulous.

If I never hear Streets, WOWY, BD, COBL (actually anything of Bomb), I wont be disappointed!
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Post by: Scarlet2016 on September 13, 2017, 03:33:39 AM
I love the Best Thing, especially edges solo and bridge vox.
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Post by: iced on September 13, 2017, 03:45:48 AM
The band has gotten boring.

The recent "Tonight Show" appearance is essentially ATYCLB performed by a band drunk on their 2nd or 3rd case/ego.

For the once and still "Biggest Band on the Planet" title in an 'era of dead physical CD sales and doing the same boring thing???

What a waste!

What an opportunity.

This song and it's subsequent album will be their new "POP". 

But this time it actually will suck.

Unfortunately for them there's no fanfare or engine to reboot the engine.

Just Grandpa's (no longer dads) sharing their favorite U2 memories for their grandsons...

Nice thought, right?..

But nothing of "experience". No fun.

I remember Edge joking about them becoming Bon Jovi on Conan 5 years or so back...

The joke is over...

Just another bland dumb sound singing into the billion dollar Apple machine.

Like a rocking chair sitting on a dead porch from a recently foreclosed house for the rest of us.

Rocking, but no swaying...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just dead things put out to pasture.

Hey remember? Didn't they perform [-Bono] a concert for us @U2 kids?

What the hell has happened that experience?

Q: Do they actually believe Peter Travers and their dead magazine is really MORE IMPORTANT than @u2.com???

...

On the + side Edge looks great!
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Post by: briscoetheque on September 13, 2017, 05:17:16 AM
When they make a "european market" album it's always better than their "US market" albums.

Unforgettable Fire, Achtung Baby, Zooropa and Pop are streets ahead of All That you Can't Leave Behind, The Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum
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Post by: aviastar on September 13, 2017, 06:42:54 AM
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Here's one: U2 is my favorite band but as musical talent goes they got nothing on Beck's band...his drummer was insanely good tonight.

U2 are far better showmen and performers though.

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idk Beck is insanely good as both of those things.

I don't mean to slight Beck - I was really impressed by him last night.  I guess I mean U2 is really, really good at marketing what they have. Beck puts on a good show...he's got a phenomenal band, but U2 is particular adept at building a cohesive, thrilling and engaging show out of a 22ish songs, etc.

FWIW, this is the second show for me on this tour that has a pretty static setlist so I knew what to expect from U2 (plus I have watched numerous shows on Periscope)...it made it feel like (from my perspective) Beck stole a little bit of thunder from them - just a little bit.  The first show I went to had Lumineers as the opener and...meh.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 13, 2017, 07:17:43 AM
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When they make a "european market" album it's always better than their "US market" albums.

Unforgettable Fire, Achtung Baby, Zooropa and Pop are streets ahead of All That you Can't Leave Behind, The Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum

And the great thing is that in this stage of their careers, the bandmates have the financial comfort and established fan-base to forget about marketing primilarily towards one region or the other. Unfortunately, U2 take that luxury for granted.
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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 13, 2017, 08:06:21 AM
Perhaps U2 should only use Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois as producers for any future albums.  Otherwise the band end up using way too many producers.  Then, their albums end up with an uneven sound.  As Bono mentioned when describing SOI.  Eno and Lanois as producers only, not collaborators like with NLOTH.  When they've gone without them, they've released R&H, Pop, HTDAAB and SOI.  Not exactly their best albums, right?  Also, Steve Lillywhite is an acceptable co-producer.
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Post by: soloyan on September 13, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
The Eno/Lanois ship has sailed. Just my 0.2 but I think NLOTH wasn't a success for the band and I believe Lanois was frustrated by the process.


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Post by: mariamontreal on September 13, 2017, 04:06:36 PM
Their best music was with Eno and Lanois
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Post by: inztantkarma on September 13, 2017, 04:32:46 PM
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Their best music was with Emo and Lanois

I don't know, didn't you find the Emo work a little dark and they applied the eye liner too thick? *boom tish*
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Post by: u2dc on September 13, 2017, 06:18:39 PM
The best thing is the best song ever
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Post by: Delvis Crasho on September 13, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
Bono needs a personal trainer.

Yeah - I said it. The man is nowhere near good physical condition like he once was.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 14, 2017, 04:21:25 AM
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Bono needs a personal trainer.

Yeah - I said it. The man is nowhere near good physical condition like he once was.

I think he styles himself on Elton John
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Post by: mariamontreal on September 14, 2017, 09:26:50 AM
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Their best music was with Emo and Lanois

I don't know, didn't you find the Emo work a little dark and they applied the eye liner too thick? *boom tish*
Sorry I corrected my typo..lol
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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 14, 2017, 09:49:52 AM
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The Eno/Lanois ship has sailed. Just my 0.2 but I think NLOTH wasn't a success for the band and I believe Lanois was frustrated by the process.


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I understand you.  But keep in mind, on NLOTH, Eno and Lanois weren't just producers, they were collaborators.  I think if they stick to producing only, then based on their track record they always help the band make their best work.
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Post by: soloyan on September 14, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
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The Eno/Lanois ship has sailed. Just my 0.2 but I think NLOTH wasn't a success for the band and I believe Lanois was frustrated by the process.


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I understand you.  But keep in mind, on NLOTH, Eno and Lanois weren't just producers, they were collaborators.  I think if they stick to producing only, then based on their track record they always help the band make their best work.

I would love to believe that but I also think Lanois has quit producing. I believe his last gig as a producer was Neil Young in 2010.

He seems to be enjoying recording and playing his own material way more now.
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Post by: missey on September 14, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
I don't like Acrobat.
I love If I Don't Go Crazy.
So there.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 14, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
"Bono needs a personal trainer and isn't as fit as he used to be."   Isn't that true of pretty much all of us?
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Post by: Racingfan53 on September 14, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
I don't want to see a modern Zoo TV tour.

Yes, I wish I could have been around to see Zoo TV.  Yes, I believe the '90s work U2 did was an absolute masterpiece, and Achtung is my favorite album.  Yes, I watch Zoo TV concerts on YouTube all the time.

But some people want a modern Zoo TV tour for the 30th anniversary of Achtung, or just for fun.  Really, I don't think that's going to happen, or would be a good idea.  Zoo TV was one of, if not the best, rock concerts of all time.  But trying to pull a modern reincarnation of Zoo TV would have the subscript of "We're not good enough to keep coming up with new ideas and new material, so we're trying to pull off what used to make us famous."  Times change, and honoring the old classics (JT2017) is one thing, but putting on Zoo TV again, 30 years later, when U2, culture, and the fans have all changed, is not going to work.

I'm still working on my time machine so I can go see one of those concerts, though.  Pity I wasn't alive for that time.
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Post by: toolz2112 on September 15, 2017, 06:16:30 AM
I hate Bono's long hair/mullet. I perfer his Pop/NLOTH hair style. His current hair style makes him look like an old man trying to hold on to the last strands of his hair, where as his Pop/NLOTH hair compliment his face/style.
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Post by: ShankAsu on September 15, 2017, 10:45:36 AM
all of the band members except for Adam are really Lizard people.
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Post by: aviastar on September 15, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
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I hate Bono's long hair/mullet. I perfer his Pop/NLOTH hair style. His current hair style makes him look like an old man trying to hold on to the last strands of his hair, where as his Pop/NLOTH hair compliment his face/style.

I think he looks best in the TJT2017 promo photo...when it was trimmed and slicked back.  Now it looks like a mess.

This one's good:
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The current U2 header banner on Spotify is even cleaner/better.

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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 15, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
Not sure if a lot of you posters are dudes, but I lot of women, myself included, really enjoy long hair on a guy of any age.  Bono looks really good imo.
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Post by: toolz2112 on September 16, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
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I hate Bono's long hair/mullet. I perfer his Pop/NLOTH hair style. His current hair style makes him look like an old man trying to hold on to the last strands of his hair, where as his Pop/NLOTH hair compliment his face/style.

I think he looks best in the TJT2017 promo photo...when it was trimmed and slicked back.  Now it looks like a mess.

This one's good:
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The current U2 header banner on Spotify is even cleaner/better.

Yeah, the JT promo hair is not bad. He just needs to trim his current style or something. He craps on about having a bad mullet in the 1980s, yet for some reason he continues to come back to the mini-mullet (early 90s, early to mid 2000s, now). Just no Bono. Be like Larry. Consistent (apart from Vertigo hair) and classic. Or Adam, who just looks classy. Or heck, go like The Edge. Bald but covered with a hat. How easy!  ;D
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Post by: Clarky on September 16, 2017, 03:33:56 AM
I've read this a few times to my surprise and I'll add also that I don't dislike Crazy Tonight (definitely not the dance remix version - never a fan of remixes usually). I think it still kind of works on that album. If it wasn't for Boots and probably Stand Up Comedy NLOTH would be an undisputed modern masterpiece album.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 16, 2017, 04:56:56 AM
Clarky, I'll take that further and say that NLOTH is a modern masterpiece.
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Post by: jadasa78 on September 16, 2017, 09:02:22 AM
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The pre-recorded fillers, the under-stage musicians and the pre-recorded one/two/three cues Larry is listening to are more embarrassing than we as fans care to admit.
Speaking as a purist musician myself, I completely agree!
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Post by: jadasa78 on September 16, 2017, 09:04:06 AM


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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

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Post by: jadasa78 on September 16, 2017, 09:08:28 AM
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The band has gotten boring.

The recent "Tonight Show" appearance is essentially ATYCLB performed by a band drunk on their 2nd or 3rd case/ego.

For the once and still "Biggest Band on the Planet" title in an 'era of dead physical CD sales and doing the same boring thing???

What a waste!

What an opportunity.

This song and it's subsequent album will be their new "POP". 

But this time it actually will suck.

Unfortunately for them there's no fanfare or engine to reboot the engine.

Just Grandpa's (no longer dads) sharing their favorite U2 memories for their grandsons...

Nice thought, right?..

But nothing of "experience". No fun.

I remember Edge joking about them becoming Bon Jovi on Conan 5 years or so back...

The joke is over...

Just another bland dumb sound singing into the billion dollar Apple machine.

Like a rocking chair sitting on a dead porch from a recently foreclosed house for the rest of us.

Rocking, but no swaying...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just dead things put out to pasture.

Hey remember? Didn't they perform [-Bono] a concert for us @U2 kids?

What the hell has happened that experience?

Q: Do they actually believe Peter Travers and their dead magazine is really MORE IMPORTANT than @u2.com???

...

On the + side Edge looks great!
Ouch! Harsh.. But I can feel some truth in there
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Post by: jadasa78 on September 16, 2017, 09:08:44 AM
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The band has gotten boring.

The recent "Tonight Show" appearance is essentially ATYCLB performed by a band drunk on their 2nd or 3rd case/ego.

For the once and still "Biggest Band on the Planet" title in an 'era of dead physical CD sales and doing the same boring thing???

What a waste!

What an opportunity.

This song and it's subsequent album will be their new "POP". 

But this time it actually will suck.

Unfortunately for them there's no fanfare or engine to reboot the engine.

Just Grandpa's (no longer dads) sharing their favorite U2 memories for their grandsons...

Nice thought, right?..

But nothing of "experience". No fun.

I remember Edge joking about them becoming Bon Jovi on Conan 5 years or so back...

The joke is over...

Just another bland dumb sound singing into the billion dollar Apple machine.

Like a rocking chair sitting on a dead porch from a recently foreclosed house for the rest of us.

Rocking, but no swaying...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just dead things put out to pasture.

Hey remember? Didn't they perform [-Bono] a concert for us @U2 kids?

What the hell has happened that experience?

Q: Do they actually believe Peter Travers and their dead magazine is really MORE IMPORTANT than @u2.com???

...

On the + side Edge looks great!
Ouch! Harsh.. But I can feel some truth in there
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 16, 2017, 10:15:39 AM
My secret belief was that when I got within five feet of Bono that all my many years of devoted U2 fandom would cause him to lift his eyes to mine, in sublime recognition of a true and devoted fan.  I forgot, Bono doesn't believe in karma, and alas, this did not happen.
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 16, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
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all of the band members except for Adam are really Lizard people.

whats that mean?
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 16, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
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all of the band members except for Adam are really Lizard people.

whats that mean?

You aren't familiar?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians

Bono's hair does make him look a bit snake-like...
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Post by: BalconyTV on September 16, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
i love nloth... up there with my faves.

soi is a bore comparatively.
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Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on September 16, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
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All That You Can't Leave Behind is U2's best album since Pop. There. Just my humble opinion, though.
+1
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Post by: Clarky on September 16, 2017, 08:32:22 PM
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Clarky, I'll take that further and say that NLOTH is a modern masterpiece.

I'm glad that you hold it in that esteem. Unfortunately I can't quite give it that status myself, though it's painfully close.
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Post by: fez333 on September 16, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
Miami is one of my favourite U2 songs.


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Post by: Clarky on September 16, 2017, 09:57:54 PM
I skip California.
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Post by: sulphur76 on September 17, 2017, 08:54:25 AM
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

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Post by: dan on September 17, 2017, 09:02:06 AM
I like California
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
Correct.
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Post by: WhenIsSOE on September 17, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on September 17, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
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I like California

Ah..s'not controversial.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 17, 2017, 07:54:12 PM
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I like California

Ah..s'not controversial.

It is with me. U2's poorest effort on SOI. Boring, forgettable, and overall a horrible plodding pop song.

It seems like an obvious attempt at a radio hit, so I don't understand why it was never released as a single...
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I like California

Ah..s'not controversial.

It is with me. U2's poorest effort on SOI. Boring, forgettable, and overall a horrible plodding pop song.

It seems like an obvious attempt at a radio hit, so I don't understand why it was never released as a single...

you're thinking of SFS ;)
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
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I like California

Ah..s'not controversial.

It is with me. U2's poorest effort on SOI. Boring, forgettable, and overall a horrible plodding pop song.

It seems like an obvious attempt at a radio hit, so I don't understand why it was never released as a single...

you're thinking of SFS ;)

What's even the difference, anyway?  :)
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Luzita on September 18, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
For a band that's known for celebrating love and positivity, U2 sure do attract some cantankerous fans.


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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 18, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
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For a band that's known for celebrating love and positivity, U2 sure do attract some cantankerous fans.


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Post by: The Exile on September 18, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
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For a band that's known for celebrating love and positivity, U2 sure do attract some cantankerous fans.

Yep, it's a diverse world we live in. For example, for a band that loves to be challenged, U2 sure do attract some obsequious fans. See? Diversity.
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on September 19, 2017, 02:33:50 AM
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: jadasa78 on September 19, 2017, 02:47:43 AM
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
I indeed know polythythms, having taught drums for almost ten years. I'm just not hearing them in Miami. There's some stilted phrasing from bono but that's about it. :)
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
I indeed know polythythms, having taught drums for almost ten years. I'm just not hearing them in Miami. There's some stilted phrasing from bono but that's about it. :)
I regret ever mentioning my take on the timing.....
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on September 19, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
I indeed know polythythms, having taught drums for almost ten years. I'm just not hearing them in Miami. There's some stilted phrasing from bono but that's about it. :)
Since you're a drum teacher I guess I'll have to trust you on this, I'm a guitar player and my rhythm solfege is very rusty.

The voice timing is weird and it confuses me.

By the way, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, sorry if you got that impression.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: jadasa78 on September 19, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
I indeed know polythythms, having taught drums for almost ten years. I'm just not hearing them in Miami. There's some stilted phrasing from bono but that's about it. :)
Since you're a drum teacher I guess I'll have to trust you on this, I'm a guitar player and my rhythm solfege is very rusty.

The voice timing is weird and it confuses me.

By the way, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, sorry if you got that impression.
No not at all. It seems we have blown this out of proportion. Maybe we should have started a thread in the music section!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: zeeTV on September 19, 2017, 06:26:29 AM
POP is in my top 3-4 albums of all time
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: achtungx on September 19, 2017, 07:29:08 AM
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When they make a "european market" album it's always better than their "US market" albums.

Unforgettable Fire, Achtung Baby, Zooropa and Pop are streets ahead of All That you Can't Leave Behind, The Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum
As an American, they definitely try too hard to pander to the US market. It's just uncool. Achtung Baby era just looked and felt cool. The best that they ever dressed, looked or sound, imo. They also seem to dumb down their lyrics when pandering. AB was their lyrical height.
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Post by: Clarky on September 19, 2017, 07:31:44 AM
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POP is in my top 3-4 albums of all time

Again, not really controversial.
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Post by: julez728 on September 19, 2017, 07:45:15 AM
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POP is in my top 3-4 albums of all time

Again, not really controversial.

I take "of all time" as any album ever made by any artist, which to me is controversial.  If you said top 3-4 of U2's albums, then not so much.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: julez728 on September 19, 2017, 07:55:46 AM
U2 doesn't care about staying relevant as much as people think they do.  They care more about making the music they want to make at this point in their career.
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Post by: Luzita on September 19, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
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When they make a "european market" album it's always better than their "US market" albums.

Unforgettable Fire, Achtung Baby, Zooropa and Pop are streets ahead of All That you Can't Leave Behind, The Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum
As an American, they definitely try too hard to pander to the US market. It's just uncool. Achtung Baby era just looked and felt cool. The best that they ever dressed, looked or sound, imo. They also seem to dumb down their lyrics when pandering. AB was their lyrical height.

Do you really think that U2 aim their albums at either the American or European market?

I don't. For one thing -- as came up in another thread -- the differences between the two markets aren't that great. Yes, Pop was more popular in Europe than in America, but Joshua Tree was more popular than Pop in both Europe and America by a huge margin.

It may be that some of their albums are more American and others more European, but I think that's a matter of which influences they're feeling the most at a particular moment in time, as opposed to actually aiming to sell to one continent or the other.
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I love Miami, I actually think it is better than a good third of the rest of POP (and I love that album). The odd time signature, the loud drum sound, the clank of Edge's guitar.

It's actually in regular 4/4

Once the drums come in it's straight time. But the drum loop at the beginning, Bono's melody, and the bass line are not playing in straight time, they are playing off each other. It sounds odd, at least it does to me.

I think even that intro section is in 4/4, but with some heavy syncopation going on.
I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of polyrhythm, a common trick featured in prog music but extremely unusual for U2.

More here if someone's interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
I haven't got it on hand to listen to, but pretty sure it's all just a clever 4/4 arrangement
It is indeed 4/4, but there are some things on it with odd rhythms bouncing off each other, that's the concept of polyrhythm.
I indeed know polythythms, having taught drums for almost ten years. I'm just not hearing them in Miami. There's some stilted phrasing from bono but that's about it. :)
Since you're a drum teacher I guess I'll have to trust you on this, I'm a guitar player and my rhythm solfege is very rusty.

The voice timing is weird and it confuses me.

By the way, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass, sorry if you got that impression.
No not at all. It seems we have blown this out of proportion. Maybe we should have started a thread in the music section!
It would have been interesting for us musicians, but I'm afraid most of the forum would shake their head in disbelief haha :)
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on September 19, 2017, 10:57:33 AM
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POP is in my top 3-4 albums of all time

Nothing controversial about that  ;D Its my # 1 favorite album of all time, by U2 or ANY band. No question.
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Post by: Manos73 on September 19, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Best Thing is being used in my house as the new Rick roll. Noooooooo!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Droppo on September 20, 2017, 12:21:11 AM
Shocked that it's controversial at this point...but, my opinion of POP remains unchanged from 1997:

It was needlessly rushed and sadly, they immortalized a substandard variation of what could have been great.

Edge kills it on POP. He's amazing on it.

Bono stinks on much of it.

Miami is the worst song I've ever heard by a band I like.
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Post by: achtungx on September 21, 2017, 10:17:53 AM
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U2s relevance died the moment the Good Friday peace agreement was signed.
They could have definitely taken that moment to bow out. I can hear/see the movie ending - a freeze frame with Bono mid-stage w/ Trimble and Hume at the Yes campaign concert as a Dennis Hopper voice-over and scrolling text describes the vote on the Good Friday agreement, what it meant, and after fulfilling all of their ambitions - biggest band in the world, Irish peace, etc. call it a day... fade out to New Years Day with Hopper closing with "Thanks to four boys from Dublin, the Irish people can finally "Begin Again."

Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: achtungx on September 21, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
Hmm.. mine is that Joshua Tree is over-rated, not in my top 3 U2 albums, is boring, and that I prefer the R&H studio tracks to the everything but WTSHNN, ISHFWILF, WOWY, and BTBS.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on September 21, 2017, 10:30:58 AM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

I am in this camp as well.
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Post by: Neil Young, man! on September 21, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

I am in this camp as well.
Broadly, so am I. I have favourites though!
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Post by: World71R on September 21, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
If Boots had better vocals and lyrics, it would've been a good, hard-hitting song.
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Post by: aviastar on September 21, 2017, 01:37:37 PM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

I am in this camp as well.
Broadly, so am I. I have favourites though!

I'm pretty much on this boat as well.  Even some of the songs I like least..I can appreciate them (Mofo), think are either good effort or still worth something (Vertigo) - often in live contexts (yes, even Boots).  Watch out guys - we might be called out by the resident grumps who are convinced anything put out after Pop sucks and we must be hired by the band to post how much we like it.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: WhenIsSOE on September 21, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
I'm an unapologetic Get On Your Boots fan, especially the 360 version, but "I've got submarine, you've got gasoline" will never not be ridiculous.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: riffraff on September 21, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
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My controversial thought? I love every album, and like every song.

I am in this camp as well.
Broadly, so am I. I have favourites though!

I'm pretty much on this boat as well.  Even some of the songs I like least..I can appreciate them (Mofo), think are either good effort or still worth something (Vertigo) - often in live contexts (yes, even Boots).  Watch out guys - we might be called out by the resident grumps who are convinced anything put out after Pop sucks and we must be hired by the band to post how much we like it.
Come and get me, grumps!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: World71R on September 21, 2017, 02:34:32 PM
A few more 21st century U2 thoughts:

Stand Up Comedy is close to being a good song, but there's just something with the lyrics and the structure that irks me. It starts off so well but falls off towards the end.

I'll Go Crazy is sort of the opposite. The choruses are good up until the "I'll go crazy if I don't go crazy tonight" part and Verse 2 is actually very good lyrically and musically, but it's just a shame that the rest of it is so bland and throwaway-like. If only they had given the lyrics and structure more time to think by saving it for SOI and doctoring it up like they did with EBW.

Magnificent and Every Breaking Wave are great examples of the mix between classic U2 and dance-y, trying to be mainstream U2 that they've been chasing so dearly. If only they'd do more of it.

Also, Unknown Caller is a good song, even with the lyrics. It's a cool mix of rock and some of experimental, Moroccan-inspired music and vibes. The portion from the French horn solo to the end is also one of the best things that U2 has done in the 21st century, imo.

Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: riffraff on September 21, 2017, 04:18:21 PM
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A few more 21st century U2 thoughts:

Stand Up Comedy is close to being a good song, but there's just something with the lyrics and the structure that irks me. It starts off so well but falls off towards the end.

I'll Go Crazy is sort of the opposite. The choruses are good up until the "I'll go crazy if I don't go crazy tonight" part and Verse 2 is actually very good lyrically and musically, but it's just a shame that the rest of it is so bland and throwaway-like. If only they had given the lyrics and structure more time to think by saving it for SOI and doctoring it up like they did with EBW.

Magnificent and Every Breaking Wave are great examples of the mix between classic U2 and dance-y, trying to be mainstream U2 that they've been chasing so dearly. If only they'd do more of it.

Also, Unknown Caller is a good song, even with the lyrics. It's a cool mix of rock and some of experimental, Moroccan-inspired music and vibes. The portion from the French horn solo to the end is also one of the best things that U2 has done in the 21st century, imo.
Stand Up Comedy might be my favorite song on that album!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 21, 2017, 04:39:22 PM
The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: riffraff on September 21, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 21, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
"One Tree Hill" is pretentious and lackluster?  Eh, yeah, you lost me there. 
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 21, 2017, 05:07:04 PM
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"One Tree Hill" is pretentious and lackluster?  Eh, yeah, you lost me there.

That's especially regarding the coda at the end:

Quote
Oh great ocean
Oh great sea
Run to the ocean
Run to the sea

That's just obnoxiously over-the-top for me.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 21, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 21, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Have you no heart :o?
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Post by: riffraff on September 21, 2017, 05:10:17 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Sorry, dude...I don't think ANYONE can fill his big, ugly shoes!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on September 21, 2017, 06:02:14 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.

Couldn't agree more.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 21, 2017, 06:41:05 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Sorry, dude...I don't think ANYONE can fill his big, ugly shoes!

And no one ever will...
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: riffraff on September 22, 2017, 05:15:52 AM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Sorry, dude...I don't think ANYONE can fill his big, ugly shoes!

And no one ever will...
:(
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on September 22, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
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POP is in my top 3-4 albums of all time

Again, not really controversial.

I take "of all time" as any album ever made by any artist, which to me is controversial.  If you said top 3-4 of U2's albums, then not so much.

My bad, I misread that as being U2 albums.
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Post by: The Edges Cat on September 22, 2017, 07:26:24 AM
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If Every Breaking Wave had been released 20 years earlier, it would have been considered one of U2's best songs and a tour staple.


Totally agree with this 100%.
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Post by: ShankAsu on September 22, 2017, 09:42:04 AM
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If Every Breaking Wave had been released 20 years earlier, it would have been considered one of U2's best songs and a tour staple.


Totally agree with this 100%.
yeah, this is true.  I see this trend with a lot of the iconic figures in all forms of art.  Everyone rags on the Simpsons sucking the last 15 years and i hadn't seen an episode in probably 20 years until i was forced to watch a few yesterday while on  treadmill at my motel and i laughed my ass off.  Revealing my nerdy side, this can go back to Sherlock Holmes who many fans dismiss the later stories, but if you were to read them not knowing any of the background to them or tying them to the biography of the author, they are on par with the best of them.      I've always argued that no other artists have consistently put out great music for as long as U2 have.  EBW is one of my top 10 for the band.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: hollywoodswag on September 22, 2017, 11:13:02 AM
Oh boy, do I have plenty:

- If one measures the best decade by the number of great songs put out in that decade, the 90s were the worst. I've got 23 songs that I love from 2000-2009 vs. 22 from 1990-1999 (counting Passengers). I don't look at it this way and the 90s were clearly far more consistent, but even so, 2000-2009 was a strong decade for them.

- I think SBS, Exit, and One are very overrated, and Acrobat, Lemon, and Mofo are downright clunkers (and I want to like the latter two).

- Lady With the Spinning Head was better than two of the songs birthed from it: The Fly and Ultraviolet. Only Zoo Station, the best U2 song ever, was a song birthed from it that managed to exceed it. I'd probably say that The Fly was better if it sounded more like the Elevation Tour version.

*Side note*: I don't hear any Zoo Station in that song. Was that the band misspeaking? I think it sounds a lot more like it came from Salome.

- SOI is easily the worst album by the band. There are only a couple of songs that I like, none of which are really in the upper echelons of great U2 songs. SOI is the only album about which I can say that.

- The perfect Achtung Baby: Zoo Station - EBTTRT (either the Perfecto or FOOW remix) - Lady With the Spinning Head (either the regular or extended mix) - UTEOTW - Blow Your House Down - Salome - The Fly - Mysterious Ways - TTTYAATW - Ultraviolet - Where Did it All Go Wrong?

- Last Night on Earth is the best song on Pop by a landslide and one of U2's top ten. I doubt there's much disagreement that Discotheque and Gone are great moments on Pop, but I'm sure that calling Do You Feel Loved and The Playboy Mansions great songs might not be a popular opinion.

- TJT would be a perfect album if RHMT wasn't on it. In God's Country - TTYW - One Tree Hill is probably the best three-song sequence in history.

- I'm okay with Elevation's prevalence in U2's sets because it's an absolutely spectacular song. ;)

- I Fall Down is the best song on any of U2's first three albums, and there are a good many I very much enjoy on those.

- NLOTH has one of the highest great-song counts of any U2 album with NLOTH, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, IGCIIDGCT, GOYB, and Stand Up Comedy.

I'm sure I have more, but I think that's enough pot-stirring for now.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: The Exile on September 22, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
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Oh boy, do I have plenty:

- If one measures the best decade by the number of great songs put out in that decade, the 90s were the worst. I've got 23 songs that I love from 2000-2009 vs. 22 from 1990-1999 (counting Passengers). I don't look at it this way and the 90s were clearly far more consistent, but even so, 2000-2009 was a strong decade for them.

- I think SBS, Exit, and One are very overrated, and Acrobat, Lemon, and Mofo are downright clunkers (and I want to like the latter two).

- Lady With the Spinning Head was better than two of the songs birthed from it: The Fly and Ultraviolet. Only Zoo Station, the best U2 song ever, was a song birthed from it that managed to exceed it. I'd probably say that The Fly was better if it sounded more like the Elevation Tour version.

*Side note*: I don't hear any Zoo Station in that song. Was that the band misspeaking? I think it sounds a lot more like it came from Salome.

- SOI is easily the worst album by the band. There are only a couple of songs that I like, none of which are really in the upper echelons of great U2 songs. SOI is the only album about which I can say that.

- The perfect Achtung Baby: Zoo Station - EBTTRT (either the Perfecto or FOOW remix) - Lady With the Spinning Head (either the regular or extended mix) - UTEOTW - Blow Your House Down - Salome - The Fly - Mysterious Ways - TTTYAATW - Ultraviolet - Where Did it All Go Wrong?

- Last Night on Earth is the best song on Pop by a landslide and one of U2's top ten. I doubt there's much disagreement that Discotheque and Gone are great moments on Pop, but I'm sure that calling Do You Feel Loved and The Playboy Mansions great songs might not be a popular opinion.

- TJT would be a perfect album if RHMT wasn't on it. In God's Country - TTYW - One Tree Hill is probably the best three-song sequence in history.

- I'm okay with Elevation's prevalence in U2's sets because it's an absolutely spectacular song. ;)

- I Fall Down is the best song on any of U2's first three albums, and there are a good many I very much enjoy on those.

I'm sure I have more, but I think that's enough pot-stirring for now.

Well I disagree with just about everything you say here, but hats off for taking the "controversial" part seriously!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 22, 2017, 04:56:48 PM
Hollywood Swag, I do agree that NLOTH has one of the highest great song counts of any U2 album:  "Breathe", "Magnificent", "Fez", "Unknown Caller", "Stand Up Comedy", "Miracle"--that's quite a few right there.
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Post by: aviastar on September 22, 2017, 06:28:19 PM
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Hollywood Swag, I do agree that NLOTH has one of the highest great song counts of any U2 album:  "Breathe", "Magnificent", "Fez", "Unknown Caller", "Stand Up Comedy", "Miracle"--that's quite a few right there.

I think any band would love to have an album as strong as NLOTH as their weakest album.  Only 2 or 3 dodgy tunes on it.  I think it speaks to how great U2 is.


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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 22, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Let's not forget "Moment of Surrender"--a slow builder with great majesty.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: ShankAsu on September 22, 2017, 11:39:24 PM
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Oh boy, do I have plenty:

- If one measures the best decade by the number of great songs put out in that decade, the 90s were the worst. I've got 23 songs that I love from 2000-2009 vs. 22 from 1990-1999 (counting Passengers). I don't look at it this way and the 90s were clearly far more consistent, but even so, 2000-2009 was a strong decade for them.

- I think SBS, Exit, and One are very overrated, and Acrobat, Lemon, and Mofo are downright clunkers (and I want to like the latter two).

- Lady With the Spinning Head was better than two of the songs birthed from it: The Fly and Ultraviolet. Only Zoo Station, the best U2 song ever, was a song birthed from it that managed to exceed it. I'd probably say that The Fly was better if it sounded more like the Elevation Tour version.

*Side note*: I don't hear any Zoo Station in that song. Was that the band misspeaking? I think it sounds a lot more like it came from Salome.

- SOI is easily the worst album by the band. There are only a couple of songs that I like, none of which are really in the upper echelons of great U2 songs. SOI is the only album about which I can say that.

- The perfect Achtung Baby: Zoo Station - EBTTRT (either the Perfecto or FOOW remix) - Lady With the Spinning Head (either the regular or extended mix) - UTEOTW - Blow Your House Down - Salome - The Fly - Mysterious Ways - TTTYAATW - Ultraviolet - Where Did it All Go Wrong?

- Last Night on Earth is the best song on Pop by a landslide and one of U2's top ten. I doubt there's much disagreement that Discotheque and Gone are great moments on Pop, but I'm sure that calling Do You Feel Loved and The Playboy Mansions great songs might not be a popular opinion.

- TJT would be a perfect album if RHMT wasn't on it. In God's Country - TTYW - One Tree Hill is probably the best three-song sequence in history.

- I'm okay with Elevation's prevalence in U2's sets because it's an absolutely spectacular song. ;)

- I Fall Down is the best song on any of U2's first three albums, and there are a good many I very much enjoy on those.

- NLOTH has one of the highest great-song counts of any U2 album with NLOTH, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, IGCIIDGCT, GOYB, and Stand Up Comedy.

I'm sure I have more, but I think that's enough pot-stirring for now.
well at least i know i don't ever have to take you serioulsy  :D
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: hollywoodswag on September 23, 2017, 03:50:37 AM
I promise you, though, that I'm not making up any of that. My wife asked me recently if I always have such unique preferences because I insist on being different, or if it's because I actually just happen to have those unique preferences. I assured her it's the latter, but I suppose I've grown to embrace being someone who has a very unusual take on things.
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Post by: achtungx on September 23, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Sorry, dude...I don't think ANYONE can fill his big, ugly shoes!

And no one ever will...
:(
What happened to an tha?
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 23, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
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The Joshua Tree is a middle-tier album.

Where the Streets Have No Name is an average track.
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For is a terrible song.
In God's Country is annoyingly awful.
One Tree Hill is very pretentious and lackluster.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah, that's pretty controversial!  ;D

Does this make me the new an tha?  :D
Sorry, dude...I don't think ANYONE can fill his big, ugly shoes!

And no one ever will...
:(
What happened to an tha?

I gave an explanation of what I assume caused his ban in this thread: https://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,30994.270.html
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: The Exile on September 23, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
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Hollywood Swag, I do agree that NLOTH has one of the highest great song counts of any U2 album:  "Breathe", "Magnificent", "Fez", "Unknown Caller", "Stand Up Comedy", "Miracle"--that's quite a few right there.

That's either Bomb or SOI, depending on which one you mean.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on September 23, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
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- If one measures the best decade by the number of great songs put out in that decade, the 90s were the worst. I've got 23 songs that I love from 2000-2009 vs. 22 from 1990-1999 (counting Passengers). I don't look at it this way and the 90s were clearly far more consistent, but even so, 2000-2009 was a strong decade for them.

Interesting, and I haven't done the numbers myself, but I'm almost positive I disagree.

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- I think SBS, Exit, and One are very overrated, and Acrobat, Lemon, and Mofo are downright clunkers (and I want to like the latter two).

Sort of agree but also not really. SBS, One and Lemon to me are all really good songs and worthy of their status.

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- Lady With the Spinning Head was better than two of the songs birthed from it: The Fly and Ultraviolet. Only Zoo Station, the best U2 song ever, was a song birthed from it that managed to exceed it. I'd probably say that The Fly was better if it sounded more like the Elevation Tour version.

I love Lady with the Spinning Head and wish it had more presence in U2's catalogue, but the songs which were birthed from it are equally enjoyable so for me it's not a huge disappointment.

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- SOI is easily the worst album by the band. There are only a couple of songs that I like, none of which are really in the upper echelons of great U2 songs. SOI is the only album about which I can say that.

It doesn't hold up does it? I'm not sure it's their worst but maybe it is. Subjective of course but quite forgettable unfortunately.

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- The perfect Achtung Baby: Zoo Station - EBTTRT (either the Perfecto or FOOW remix) - Lady With the Spinning Head (either the regular or extended mix) - UTEOTW - Blow Your House Down - Salome - The Fly - Mysterious Ways - TTTYAATW - Ultraviolet - Where Did it All Go Wrong?

Ok sure whatever.

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- Last Night on Earth is the best song on Pop by a landslide and one of U2's top ten. I doubt there's much disagreement that Discotheque and Gone are great moments on Pop, but I'm sure that calling Do You Feel Loved and The Playboy Mansions great songs might not be a popular opinion.

Last Night on Earth could easily be my favourite song off that album. It changes between 2 or 3 of them for me.

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- TJT would be a perfect album if RHMT wasn't on it. In God's Country - TTYW - One Tree Hill is probably the best three-song sequence in history.

I don't think RHMT does anything to obstruct quality of that record.

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- I'm okay with Elevation's prevalence in U2's sets because it's an absolutely spectacular song. ;)

Spectacular? Nope. Energetic and crowd pleasing? Yes.

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- I Fall Down is the best song on any of U2's first three albums, and there are a good many I very much enjoy on those.

First three? Maybe first 2... I like it a lot too, underrated for sure.

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- NLOTH has one of the highest great-song counts of any U2 album with NLOTH, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, IGCIIDGCT, GOYB, and Stand Up Comedy.

I agreed with you during the first part of that statement then you said GOYB and Stand Up Comedy.....
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Smee on September 24, 2017, 09:03:15 AM
I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: riffraff on September 24, 2017, 09:42:54 AM
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I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song
Yes, this was my least favorite part of the show.
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Post by: The Exile on September 24, 2017, 12:14:19 PM
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I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song

Especially given that he doesn't do the falsetto part.
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Post by: World71R on September 24, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
Wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll put it here:

Pop is a little too long. I think 10 or 11 songs would've worked, but 12 is just a bit too long, as much as that might sound like being nit-picky.

I like IGWSHA. It just needs a little work with the structure and sequencing of the different bits of the song. As it is, though it works as a good B-side.

I'm not a big fan of Wake Up Dead Man. I understand its purpose on Pop. However, it's just not a song I find myself listening to much, same with Miami, which is a song that has not aged well imo. The weird, genre-bending sound is cool, but it would've been better as a B-side since it just has a distinct throwaway quality to it.

The Playboy Mansion would've been regarded much more highly if it had a title like "Gates of the Mansion" and no mentions of The Playboy Mansion to put less of an emphasis on a dated reference and more on the deep lyrical content of the song (especially in the second half).

With all that said, my ideal tracklisting would be: Discotheque/Do You Feel Loved/Mofo/Staring at the Sun/Last Night on Earth/Gone/North and South/The Playboy Mansion/Velvet Dress/Please/Wake Up Dead Man
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 24, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
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Hollywood Swag, I do agree that NLOTH has one of the highest great song counts of any U2 album:  "Breathe", "Magnificent", "Fez", "Unknown Caller", "Stand Up Comedy", "Miracle"--that's quite a few right there.

That's either Bomb or SOI, depending on which one you mean.
Oh, right, SOI....my bad.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: motorcycleboy1984 on September 24, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
I basically draw a line in the sand after POP. i think they are still a great band. but hearing B-Day for the first time I was taken
back. the direction they took was nt going to be my cup of tea. but i understand and think they out lasted their heroes by miles anyway.
the bands u2 are compared to ether got "bad" much sooner or broke up! most great bands get about 10 years. u2 got almost double that. and they still produce great songs and live shows.

i do agree however that Boston DVD contains some of the best versions of their songs. watching it back its striking how much fire is
in the belly, bono has so much energy. of course he was 40 and still had it in him. so a song like "new york" which i dont really like- sounds bloody great on the DVD.

"every breaking wave" and "moment" are my fav u2 songs post POP.
"all because of you" "get on your boots" being my least favourite. and still cant believe they were singles.

ohhh and I cant stand "Pride"

and i love Miami. it prob be should have a b-side put sits perfectly in the context of the album. listening back think the drum loop
creates so much tension and edges guitar is off the charts good as the release so to speak. i agree with a previous post that "elevation" and "new york" wound have sat with the POP album better.

im not proud of this but iv gone off "One" I think the mary j blige version put me off it. not sure.
 its not overplay because i love "with or without you" even more now than ever.

think the two new songs are average and not going to set the world alight as much as the band feel. hope im wrong. i understand
their ambitions for great songs but its just not gonna convert anybody.


Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on September 24, 2017, 07:04:50 PM
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I basically draw a line in the sand after POP. i think they are still a great band. but hearing B-Day for the first time I was taken
back. the direction they took was nt going to be my cup of tea. but i understand and think they out lasted their heroes by miles anyway.
the bands u2 are compared to ether got "bad" much sooner or broke up! most great bands get about 10 years. u2 got almost double that. and they still produce great songs and live shows.

i do agree however that Boston DVD contains some of the best versions of their songs. watching it back its striking how much fire is
in the belly, bono has so much energy. of course he was 40 and still had it in him. so a song like "new york" which i dont really like- sounds bloody great on the DVD.

"every breaking wave" and "moment" are my fav u2 songs post POP.
"all because of you" "get on your boots" being my least favourite. and still cant believe they were singles.

ohhh and I cant stand "Pride"

and i love Miami. it prob be should have a b-side put sits perfectly in the context of the album. listening back think the drum loop
creates so much tension and edges guitar is off the charts good as the release so to speak. i agree with a previous post that "elevation" and "new york" wound have sat with the POP album better.

im not proud of this but iv gone off "One" I think the mary j blige version put me off it. not sure.
 its not overplay because i love "with or without you" even more now than ever.

think the two new songs are average and not going to set the world alight as much as the band feel. hope im wrong. i understand
their ambitions for great songs but its just not gonna convert anybody.




I'm surprised how much I agree with you. Not everything, but a lot of it. Especially the bolded part.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: tigerfan41 on September 24, 2017, 10:43:35 PM
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I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song

I disagree. I heard MS on the 360 tour and it was fantastic--Bono seemed to nail Pavarotti's part in a way I didn't expect. Obviously not as good as Pav, but good enough live. However, I wasn't really thrilled with MS vocally at either of the JT shows I saw this summer. Maybe he just can't nail it the way he could on the 360 tour.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: achtungx on September 25, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
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Wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll put it here:

Pop is a little too long. I think 10 or 11 songs would've worked, but 12 is just a bit too long, as much as that might sound like being nit-picky.

I like IGWSHA. It just needs a little work with the structure and sequencing of the different bits of the song. As it is, though it works as a good B-side.

I'm not a big fan of Wake Up Dead Man. I understand its purpose on Pop. However, it's just not a song I find myself listening to much, same with Miami, which is a song that has not aged well imo. The weird, genre-bending sound is cool, but it would've been better as a B-side since it just has a distinct throwaway quality to it.

The Playboy Mansion would've been regarded much more highly if it had a title like "Gates of the Mansion" and no mentions of The Playboy Mansion to put less of an emphasis on a dated reference and more on the deep lyrical content of the song (especially in the second half).

With all that said, my ideal tracklisting would be: Discotheque/Do You Feel Loved/Mofo/Staring at the Sun/Last Night on Earth/Gone/North and South/The Playboy Mansion/Velvet Dress/Please/Wake Up Dead Man

I always liked Dead Man, but thought it could be so much more. However, it's real strength is when you play the POP and ATYCLB albums back to back and you get the WUDM outro followed by the Beautiful Day intro. Love that.
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Post by: Rasmus on September 25, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
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Wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll put it here:

Pop is a little too long. I think 10 or 11 songs would've worked, but 12 is just a bit too long, as much as that might sound like being nit-picky.

I like IGWSHA. It just needs a little work with the structure and sequencing of the different bits of the song. As it is, though it works as a good B-side.

I'm not a big fan of Wake Up Dead Man. I understand its purpose on Pop. However, it's just not a song I find myself listening to much, same with Miami, which is a song that has not aged well imo. The weird, genre-bending sound is cool, but it would've been better as a B-side since it just has a distinct throwaway quality to it.

The Playboy Mansion would've been regarded much more highly if it had a title like "Gates of the Mansion" and no mentions of The Playboy Mansion to put less of an emphasis on a dated reference and more on the deep lyrical content of the song (especially in the second half).

With all that said, my ideal tracklisting would be: Discotheque/Do You Feel Loved/Mofo/Staring at the Sun/Last Night on Earth/Gone/North and South/The Playboy Mansion/Velvet Dress/Please/Wake Up Dead Man

I always liked Dead Man, but thought it could be so much more. However, it's real strength is when you play the POP and ATYCLB albums back to back and you get the WUDM outro followed by the Beautiful Day intro. Love that.

Yeah I always understood ATYCLB as a direct response to Pop in that sense. Beautiful Day can be seen as the answer to the overwhelming darkness towards the end of the Pop album. It also one of the reasons why i love both albums so much.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 25, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
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I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song

I disagree. I heard MS on the 360 tour and it was fantastic--Bono seemed to nail Pavarotti's part in a way I didn't expect. Obviously not as good as Pav, but good enough live. However, I wasn't really thrilled with MS vocally at either of the JT shows I saw this summer. Maybe he just can't nail it the way he could on the 360 tour.

I was doing some thinking.  I've already said that Miss Sarajevo doesn't really work within the set of the current Joshua Tree shows.  I think U2 missed a big opportunity to start the encore with Luminous Times (Hold on to Love).  Play that song directly into With or Without You.  Then Beautiful Day, Elevation, Vertigo and so on.  Miss Sarajevo just doesn't belong in a Joshua Tree themed show.  I think its a song best played indoors or in a more intimate setting.
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Post by: riffraff on September 25, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
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I dont think Miss Sarejevo works well live. I cringe when bono attempts to deliver the Pavarotti part. Best left as a studio only song

I disagree. I heard MS on the 360 tour and it was fantastic--Bono seemed to nail Pavarotti's part in a way I didn't expect. Obviously not as good as Pav, but good enough live. However, I wasn't really thrilled with MS vocally at either of the JT shows I saw this summer. Maybe he just can't nail it the way he could on the 360 tour.

I was doing some thinking.  I've already said that Miss Sarajevo doesn't really work within the set of the current Joshua Tree shows.  I think U2 missed a big opportunity to start the encore with Luminous Times (Hold on to Love).  Play that song directly into With or Without You.  Then Beautiful Day, Elevation, Vertigo and so on.  Miss Sarajevo just doesn't belong in a Joshua Tree themed show.  I think its a song best played indoors or in a more intimate setting.
Luminous Times into WOWY...oh, be still my heart! BEAUTIFUL.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 25, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
Luminous Times into WOWY...great thought, Matty Mullins.  I agree that the Miss Sarajevo bit, though well-intentioned, just didn't seem to work.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: THRILLHO on September 25, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
you all might want to try this alternate tracklisting for JT

1. Streets
2. Spanish Eyes
3. ISHF
4. Silver and Gold
5. Luminious Times (Hold On to Love)
6. WOWY
7. Walk to the Water
8. BTBS
9. RTSS
10. RHMT
11. Race Against Time
12. IGC
13. TTYW
14. Sweetest Thing
15. OTH
16. Exit
17. Heartland
18. MOTD
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 25, 2017, 08:23:51 PM
Adding "Heartland" and "Walk to the Water"?  I like how you think!
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Post by: THRILLHO on September 25, 2017, 08:48:35 PM
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Adding "Heartland" and "Walk to the Water"?  I like how you think!

i'm a genius ;)
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 26, 2017, 03:16:13 AM
U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.
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Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2017, 05:22:43 AM
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Adding "Heartland" and "Walk to the Water"?  I like how you think!

i'm a genius ;)
How about Hawkmoon 269? THAT would be true genius!
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Post by: Smee on September 26, 2017, 08:24:31 AM
My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
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Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy! 
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Post by: JFW on September 26, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
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Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
Well, from a female (and former musician) point of view...I'd like to see the band on the screen more...I need to see them actually playing their instruments...this fascinates me.
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Post by: JFW on September 26, 2017, 09:24:01 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
Well, from a female (and former musician) point of view...I'd like to see the band on the screen more...I need to see them actually playing their instruments...this fascinates me.
I fixed my problem with Trip Through Your Wires with thanks to that screen. It showed what The Edge exactly did. Wait! Former musician? What did you play?
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Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
Well, from a female (and former musician) point of view...I'd like to see the band on the screen more...I need to see them actually playing their instruments...this fascinates me.
I fixed my problem with Trip Through Your Wires with thanks to that screen. It showed what The Edge exactly did. Wait! Former musician? What did you play?
I played guitar and piano (quite well, too, if I may be so bold!), until my left hand got a bit crushed in a car door. owwwww
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Post by: JFW on September 26, 2017, 10:17:44 AM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
Well, from a female (and former musician) point of view...I'd like to see the band on the screen more...I need to see them actually playing their instruments...this fascinates me.
I fixed my problem with Trip Through Your Wires with thanks to that screen. It showed what The Edge exactly did. Wait! Former musician? What did you play?
I played guitar and piano (quite well, too, if I may be so bold!), until my left hand got a bit crushed in a car door. owwwww
Ah, you did a "Bono"! You can't play anymore, or just not as good as you used to?
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Jono on September 26, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
Great topic Matty!

My latest controversial thought...carpool karaoke ;)
I don't watch his show, but I like the guy on carpool, so I am a fan and then I just saw the latest episode with FooFighters...the below was my post on the video and a link to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo):

It was one of the best James and team have done, so nice job! I will admit, I now have an odd love/worry hope that U2 hops in the car ;)

Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: ShankAsu on September 26, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
i would think u2 will eventually do this. surprised Corden hasn't signed them up yet, as being english i would think u2 would be a band he grew up with. justin beiber and harry styles don't need to be on a third time- get new musicians on.
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Post by: riffraff on September 26, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
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My latest controversial u2 thought. I thought the Big Screen on TJT30th shows added NOTHING to the experience. I was kind of hoping for a back to basics stage from the off, like the original tour, when it was just all about the songs.
Well, I thought it was very pretty, and showed a lot of our desert vista. BUT, I would have liked to see more of the band on the screen...especially since my seats were nosebleed! My arms are STILL sore from holding binoculars all night. I must say, though, that I thought Morleigh was quite sexy!
I think Smee is right about the screen. At the start of the show it was just me (alright, "us") and the band. The times the screen added something was with songs with just a background.

I had a sort of nosebleed seats. Not as much as you, Riffraff, but I was far away enough to be not able to recognize the bandmembers than by their instrument and hat. So sometimes it was welcome to see them on the screen.
Well, from a female (and former musician) point of view...I'd like to see the band on the screen more...I need to see them actually playing their instruments...this fascinates me.
I fixed my problem with Trip Through Your Wires with thanks to that screen. It showed what The Edge exactly did. Wait! Former musician? What did you play?
I played guitar and piano (quite well, too, if I may be so bold!), until my left hand got a bit crushed in a car door. owwwww
Ah, you did a "Bono"! You can't play anymore, or just not as good as you used to?
Yeah, kind of a Bono...the hand never really recovered...a doctor YEARS later said I should have had surgery, but the doc back then just splinted it and sent me home. grrrrr
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 26, 2017, 02:53:33 PM
I have a hard time picturing Larry having a good time at Carpool Karaoke.  The rest of the guys would probably roll with it.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 26, 2017, 04:30:08 PM
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Great topic Matty!

My latest controversial thought...carpool karaoke ;)
I don't watch his show, but I like the guy on carpool, so I am a fan and then I just saw the latest episode with FooFighters...the below was my post on the video and a link to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo):

It was one of the best James and team have done, so nice job! I will admit, I now have an odd love/worry hope that U2 hops in the car ;)

Thank you fellow U2 fan
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 26, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
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U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.

Only if you purely associate experimentality with contribution to the entire music scene.

Even so, you can argue that Achtung Baby was partly responsible for bringing sampling to the forefront of popular music, as the technique was moreso involved with hip-hop at the time.  Plus, Edge's varied guitar sounds were unlike that of most other band's... he was quite the innovator in a time where New Wave and Post-Punk dominated radio. It took years for his tones to be replicated in an easy and efficient way, thanks to the advancement of music technology.

But overall, I do concede that U2 have not been especially vital in furthering the overall experimentation of music (if we are talking about the music exclusively and ignoring other aspects of thus band's output, liking touring and whatnot).

However, by nature, U2 were (and hopefully still are) an experimental band. Pursuing a more adventurous sound, even for personal gain, is still experimentation. U2 have toyed with genre-bending, unique instruments and synthesizers, abnormal time-signatures, sampling, etc.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: davis on September 27, 2017, 05:18:25 PM
ATYCLB completed the aesthetic arc of U2's career.  Some very good songs aside, every album since has been a failed attempt to add to, or reopen, a meaningful creative narrative that ended in 2000. 

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Post by: The Exile on September 27, 2017, 05:24:21 PM
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U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.

Only if you purely associate experimentality with contribution to the entire music scene.

Even so, you can argue that Achtung Baby was partly responsible for bringing sampling to the forefront of popular music, as the technique was moreso involved with hip-hop at the time.  Plus, Edge's varied guitar sounds were unlike that of most other band's... he was quite the innovator in a time where New Wave and Post-Punk dominated radio. It took years for his tones to be replicated in an easy and efficient way, thanks to the advancement of music technology.

But overall, I do concede that U2 have not been especially vital in furthering the overall experimentation of music (if we are talking about the music exclusively and ignoring other aspects of thus band's output, liking touring and whatnot).

However, by nature, U2 were (and hopefully still are) an experimental band. Pursuing a more adventurous sound, even for personal gain, is still experimentation. U2 have toyed with genre-bending, unique instruments and synthesizers, abnormal time-signatures, sampling, etc.

Does "experimenting" mean trying something that has never been done, or trying something YOU'VE never done? I might "experiment" with LSD or cross-dressing without claiming to have invented them.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: MysteriousFly on September 27, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Not sure how Controversial this is, but I always thought it would be cool if U2 went heavy metal and put out a metal record. They'd  probably never do it especially nowadays, but it would come out of left field and really test fan loyalty. Anyone ever think this would be cool?
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 27, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
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U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.

Only if you purely associate experimentality with contribution to the entire music scene.

Even so, you can argue that Achtung Baby was partly responsible for bringing sampling to the forefront of popular music, as the technique was moreso involved with hip-hop at the time.  Plus, Edge's varied guitar sounds were unlike that of most other band's... he was quite the innovator in a time where New Wave and Post-Punk dominated radio. It took years for his tones to be replicated in an easy and efficient way, thanks to the advancement of music technology.

But overall, I do concede that U2 have not been especially vital in furthering the overall experimentation of music (if we are talking about the music exclusively and ignoring other aspects of thus band's output, liking touring and whatnot).

However, by nature, U2 were (and hopefully still are) an experimental band. Pursuing a more adventurous sound, even for personal gain, is still experimentation. U2 have toyed with genre-bending, unique instruments and synthesizers, abnormal time-signatures, sampling, etc.

Does "experimenting" mean trying something that has never been done, or trying something YOU'VE never done? I might "experiment" with LSD or cross-dressing without claiming to have invented them.

Ha, well as long as you don't bring a DVD out on the outcome then we're all good.

Back to the point, to be truly experimental you have to produce a new output. U2 have always follwed a trend, their strength has always been that they outdo the artists that inspire and influence them, which must be insanely annoying for said artists.

So, as much as it may seem like a detour from the normal (I'm guessing here) for you to be whacked off your ti*s whilst wearing your best Sunday dress, you're probably not the first person to take a walk on the wild side. So, you are exploring a known substance and dress code, not experimenting them. Now, if you were to tell me you added a gas mask, a Cape, fire and pretended to ride an cloven hoofed animal by sitting on its back whilst steering with a paper plate, then I would concede you were being experimental. It's all about novel outputs.

I'm sure there's better ways of getting my point across, but worryingly I can't think of any right now.  ;D
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 27, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
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U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.

Only if you purely associate experimentality with contribution to the entire music scene.

Even so, you can argue that Achtung Baby was partly responsible for bringing sampling to the forefront of popular music, as the technique was moreso involved with hip-hop at the time.  Plus, Edge's varied guitar sounds were unlike that of most other band's... he was quite the innovator in a time where New Wave and Post-Punk dominated radio. It took years for his tones to be replicated in an easy and efficient way, thanks to the advancement of music technology.

But overall, I do concede that U2 have not been especially vital in furthering the overall experimentation of music (if we are talking about the music exclusively and ignoring other aspects of thus band's output, liking touring and whatnot).

However, by nature, U2 were (and hopefully still are) an experimental band. Pursuing a more adventurous sound, even for personal gain, is still experimentation. U2 have toyed with genre-bending, unique instruments and synthesizers, abnormal time-signatures, sampling, etc.

Does "experimenting" mean trying something that has never been done, or trying something YOU'VE never done? I might "experiment" with LSD or cross-dressing without claiming to have invented them.

I think that the term is dependent on context. U2 are experimental for trying new things for themselves. U2 are not especially experimental from a broader, more historical view of music as a whole.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on September 28, 2017, 01:16:00 AM
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U2 have never been experimental, they have explored the experiments of others and used them to produce their own sound.

Only if you purely associate experimentality with contribution to the entire music scene.

Even so, you can argue that Achtung Baby was partly responsible for bringing sampling to the forefront of popular music, as the technique was moreso involved with hip-hop at the time.  Plus, Edge's varied guitar sounds were unlike that of most other band's... he was quite the innovator in a time where New Wave and Post-Punk dominated radio. It took years for his tones to be replicated in an easy and efficient way, thanks to the advancement of music technology.

But overall, I do concede that U2 have not been especially vital in furthering the overall experimentation of music (if we are talking about the music exclusively and ignoring other aspects of thus band's output, liking touring and whatnot).

However, by nature, U2 were (and hopefully still are) an experimental band. Pursuing a more adventurous sound, even for personal gain, is still experimentation. U2 have toyed with genre-bending, unique instruments and synthesizers, abnormal time-signatures, sampling, etc.

Does "experimenting" mean trying something that has never been done, or trying something YOU'VE never done? I might "experiment" with LSD or cross-dressing without claiming to have invented them.

I think that the term is dependent on context. U2 are experimental for trying new things for themselves. U2 are not especially experimental from a broader, more historical view of music as a whole.

Yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to say in the post above but in many more words  :)
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Rasmus on September 28, 2017, 06:57:04 AM
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ATYCLB completed the aesthetic arc of U2's career.  Some very good songs aside, every album since has been a failed attempt to add to, or reopen, a meaningful creative narrative that ended in 2000.

Spot on. U2 could have ended their career perfectly on that album and tour in my opinion.
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Post by: Matty_Mullens on September 28, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
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ATYCLB completed the aesthetic arc of U2's career.  Some very good songs aside, every album since has been a failed attempt to add to, or reopen, a meaningful creative narrative that ended in 2000. 



I've felt this way for a while as well.
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Post by: ZEROpartII on September 29, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
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Bono needs a personal trainer.

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He needs to be slim enough to float on down for what he desires

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Bono needs a personal trainer.

Yeah - I said it. The man is nowhere near good physical condition like he once was.

He needs to be slim enough to float on down for what he desires

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Yeah - I said it. The man is nowhere near good physical condition like he once was.

He needs to be slim enough to float on down for what he desires

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Post by: ZEROpartII on September 29, 2017, 03:36:10 PM
Every hardcore fan on opening night of next year's tour

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Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 29, 2017, 04:37:09 PM
That's a good one 8)
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Post by: mrharmonia on October 01, 2017, 09:33:59 AM
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Bono needs a personal trainer.

Yeah - I said it. The man is nowhere near good physical condition like he once was.

He needs to be slim enough to float on down for what he desires

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Post by: ZEROpartII on October 01, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
He doesn't need pennywise right now.  Best Thing is doing well. I play it at my backwoods bar and people like it.  Subconsciously tap their knuckles to it.  22 year old girl at work was grooving to it when I had it on, unprompted


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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Blueyedboy on October 06, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
Oh here's another thought.
U2 ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM THEY ONCE REBELLED AGAINST!

OK. So here's a bit of context behind this thought. I was listening to my weekly Spotify new release playlist and a song by Kate Tempest (Tunnel Vision) came on which pretty much narrates the protest that is happening all over the world. The song you can take or leave, but it got me thinking. Who is making the daring records anymore, the ones aimed at the establishment? Didn't that used to be U2?
So to take this further, when the band are telling us that there's so much to be angry about in the world today, and their pitch for relevance, why the effort to try and convince us that TJT is a political album when it most obviously isn't.
This isn't another resurrection of the 'Why are they touring a 30yr old album' argument, but more why have a band who prodded the social conscience hidden away from challenging the current regime?
Do they have too much to lose in terms of Bonos' ability to dial a president?  Have they suddenly become aligned with the western world foreign policy? Do the band have conflicting thoughts? Or, is it that they are afraid of marginalising some of their fanbase if they articulate their political persuasions in song?
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: lazyboy on October 06, 2017, 07:46:18 AM
Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them :D

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: fpsulli3 on October 06, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
Mercy is boring.
Title: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on October 06, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.
If he indulges in booze and partying as much as half as Noel Gallagher says he does, there's no surprises his voice has suffered a massive downhill on this tour.
Bad and NYD are already 1 key lower than usual, is he aiming to lower them even further?
The man needs to get a grip on himself if he wants to be able to sing well above his 60's.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: The Exile on October 06, 2017, 02:54:07 PM
The Unforgettable Fire was never played better than on the 360 Tour (ducks).
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on October 06, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Not a big fan of Beautiful Day. It's ok, but it seems to be considered quintessential U2 and for me it just isn't really.
Title: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: aviastar on October 06, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
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The Unforgettable Fire was never played better than on the 360 Tour (ducks).

TUF is my favorite U2 song, and I agree. It's a difficult one to pull off live.  Bono's vocals were spotty on a lot of live performances of it from 85-88...check the rattle and hum outtake....it's pretty bad.

They really nailed at on the 360 Rose Bowl show.. The only TJT tour version that I think came close was the Paris show.  I have some bootleg recordings from The Unforgettable Fire tour...and, yeah it's just not as on point as it was on 360.

That song is pretty demanding. Not sure if I would like them to do it now. Yeah it would be awesome to cross it off the list of songs I have seen live, but I don't think B could match his 2009 performance vocally.  He'd probably speak through the challenging parts.


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Post by: shineinthesummernight on October 06, 2017, 11:30:39 PM
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Not a big fan of Beautiful Day. It's ok, but it seems to be considered quintessential U2 and for me it just isn't really.
I agree, Clarky.  Not their best moment, although I can appreciate that many love it.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: an cat dubh on October 07, 2017, 06:34:04 PM
A) Bono went from clever lyricist to a lyricist who thinks he's clever.
B) Edge should have a few more tracks where he's given lead vocals.
C) The band would be better off with Eno as a fifth member (and producer). 
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Post by: Luzita on October 07, 2017, 07:01:13 PM
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Not a big fan of Beautiful Day. It's ok, but it seems to be considered quintessential U2 and for me it just isn't really.
I agree, Clarky.  Not their best moment, although I can appreciate that many love it.
I agree. It's okay but there are several of their smash hits that don't do a lot for me and this is one of them


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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: an cat dubh on October 07, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
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Great topic Matty!

My latest controversial thought...carpool karaoke ;)
I don't watch his show, but I like the guy on carpool, so I am a fan and then I just saw the latest episode with FooFighters...the below was my post on the video and a link to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xe0Qd6bUFo):

It was one of the best James and team have done, so nice job! I will admit, I now have an odd love/worry hope that U2 hops in the car ;)

You know U2 couldn't just do a normal carpool karaoke like any other band.  They'd have to have a sit-down interview in the studio, do a live in-studio performance of "(Mediocre new single)" and "(Something from 'War')" and then do the karaoke bit, but with the backseat filled with a gospel choir for "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For."  You know, because they aren't just any ordinary band.   
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Miss San Diego on October 08, 2017, 12:44:08 AM
Wow, U2 fandom is uncannily similar to Supernatural fandom, at least here. Everything was always better way back when, and the end is always coming right away. They were saying that when I came in in season 6, and now they're about to start 13, lol. It will of course end eventually, like anything else, but none of the things they complain about ever change and time just keeps moving forward, so what they're getting out of it is anyone's guess. This seems to be a fixture of internet fandom in general, and I've been baffled and entertained by it for years. There's a lot more ageism here, but the Supernatural guys aren't in their *gasp* fifties yet. Reading some stuff around here, you'd think Bono was about 90, lol. I hope nobody tries to put me out to pasture in 14 years, dang. And here I am having just been to a show where I had to really look to find him sometimes after watching the screen for a while because he was all over the place, and sounded amazing. They're better now than they've ever been, and I can't wait for more. There it is, the most controversial thought. lolol
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Post by: Jdelbove on October 08, 2017, 09:14:09 AM
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.
If he indulges in booze and partying as much as half as Noel Gallagher says he does, there's no surprises his voice has suffered a massive downhill on this tour.
Bad and NYD are already 1 key lower than usual, is he aiming to lower them even further?
The man needs to get a grip on himself if he wants to be able to sing well above his 60's.

I have been watching pretty much every show on youtube since the tour started and his voice has definitely declined.  He sounded great at some of the European shows.  Based on what I have heard the Mexico shows are the worst he has sounded and of course they are tapping them for a DVD  :-[.  He was sounding rough towards the very end of the US leg and I hoped he would recover after a few days off but it sounds like his voice has further deteriorated.  I just hope that he can recover before the SOE tour.  Remember how good he sounded at the beginning of the Innocence tour. 

Check out Iris from Vancouver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqNbEkpzx4 

When his voice is on or when its off he doesnt even sound like the same singer.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: robgalloway on October 08, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
My controversial thought is ....


I'd really love it if U2 played Window in the Skies, Ordinary Love, and Electrical Storm at any show ... very underrated


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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: tarheelmch on October 08, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
Wow, U2 fandom is uncannily similar to Supernatural fandom, at least here. Everything was always better way back when, and the end is always coming right away. They were saying that when I came in in season 6, and now they're about to start 13, lol. It will of course end eventually, like anything else, but none of the things they complain about ever change and time just keeps moving forward, so what they're getting out of it is anyone's guess. This seems to be a fixture of internet fandom in general, and I've been baffled and entertained by it for years. There's a lot more ageism here, but the Supernatural guys aren't in their *gasp* fifties yet. Reading some stuff around here, you'd think Bono was about 90, lol. I hope nobody tries to put me out to pasture in 14 years, dang. And here I am having just been to a show where I had to really look to find him sometimes after watching the screen for a while because he was all over the place, and sounded amazing. They're better now than they've ever been, and I can't wait for more. There it is, the most controversial thought. lolol

Agree!
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Post by: Rasmus on October 08, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
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The Unforgettable Fire was never played better than on the 360 Tour (ducks).

No need to dodge anything :). It was the highlight of the tour for me together with Zooropa.
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Post by: lazyboy on October 08, 2017, 12:28:13 PM
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.
If he indulges in booze and partying as much as half as Noel Gallagher says he does, there's no surprises his voice has suffered a massive downhill on this tour.
Bad and NYD are already 1 key lower than usual, is he aiming to lower them even further?
The man needs to get a grip on himself if he wants to be able to sing well above his 60's.

I have been watching pretty much every show on youtube since the tour started and his voice has definitely declined.  He sounded great at some of the European shows.  Based on what I have heard the Mexico shows are the worst he has sounded and of course they are tapping them for a DVD  :-[.  He was sounding rough towards the very end of the US leg and I hoped he would recover after a few days off but it sounds like his voice has further deteriorated.  I just hope that he can recover before the SOE tour.  Remember how good he sounded at the beginning of the Innocence tour. 

Check out Iris from Vancouver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqNbEkpzx4 

When his voice is on or when its off he doesnt even sound like the same singer.

It's strikingly bad. It's jarring to watch him live these days, compared to even 12 years ago. Again understandable, but yeah, harsh reality.
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Post by: The Exile on October 08, 2017, 12:40:51 PM
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The Unforgettable Fire was never played better than on the 360 Tour (ducks).

TUF is my favorite U2 song, and I agree. It's a difficult one to pull off live.  Bono's vocals were spotty on a lot of live performances of it from 85-88...check the rattle and hum outtake....it's pretty bad.

They really nailed at on the 360 Rose Bowl show.. The only TJT tour version that I think came close was the Paris show.  I have some bootleg recordings from The Unforgettable Fire tour...and, yeah it's just not as on point as it was on 360.

That song is pretty demanding. Not sure if I would like them to do it now. Yeah it would be awesome to cross it off the list of songs I have seen live, but I don't think B could match his 2009 performance vocally.  He'd probably speak through the challenging parts.


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Yep, exactly. It's the kind of song that demands subtlety both in the vocals and drums, which is why they didn't pull it off that well in its JT Tour iteration. Like with WOWY on ZooTV, the band needed to grow into a better way to play it live, which they did on 360.

PS - Better than the Rose Bowl was the 360 show they broadcast on the radio, but I can't remember where it was from. Sheffield I think? TUF from that show was killer.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Moser on October 09, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
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Everything was always better way back when, and the end is always coming right away.

Insufferable old farts still following their favorite band from their teenage years who claim U2 was never good after Pop. I know people have opinions, but why are they still going onto a U2 fan forum to repeat the same tiring things over and over for the past 17 years? There is nothing U2 can do that will make them change their opinion. I get it. You're disappointed. Just move on already. It's such a drag for fans who are actually excited about new content and come here to discuss the new content.

ATYCLB was their turning point and haven't been good since. This new stuff just proves my point.

Point taken. Thanks. Thanks a lot for that. Never knew you felt that way. Very enlightening. I'm so glad we have a fan forum where fans who haven't liked their favorite band's music for two decades can come online and crap on their new stuff. Over, and over, and over again.

Gotta make sure I let everybody know that U2 is still disappointing! Because my feelings count too!

Yes, they do. Unfortunately. Truly now, the dinosaur still wanders the Earth.



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Post by: Smee on October 09, 2017, 12:08:06 PM
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them :D

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.

When i heard these two songs the other day, i have to admit, i was a bit shocked at the delivery of the vocal. I think we just have to accept, that Bono struggles a lot, with certain songs, from pre ATYCLB period. Songs after then, he sounds fine on (IMHO)
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Post by: 73October on October 09, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them :D

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.

When i heard these two songs the other day, i have to admit, i was a bit shocked at the delivery of the vocal. I think we just have to accept, that Bono struggles a lot, with certain songs, from pre ATYCLB period. Songs after then, he sounds fine on (IMHO)

If you think Bono's performances in Mexico weren't good - try watching Elton John singing Rocket Man in 1972 from Royal Festival Hall London and then any performance of the same song from 2017.  The fancy twiddly piano intro must be to detract from the fact that he sings it like a bar singer parody of himself?  Elton's voice is totally shot. 
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Post by: Miss San Diego on October 09, 2017, 08:43:07 PM
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Everything was always better way back when, and the end is always coming right away.

Insufferable old farts still following their favorite band from their teenage years who claim U2 was never good after Pop. I know people have opinions, but why are they still going onto a U2 fan forum to repeat the same tiring things over and over for the past 17 years? There is nothing U2 can do that will make them change their opinion. I get it. You're disappointed. Just move on already. It's such a drag for fans who are actually excited about new content and come here to discuss the new content.

ATYCLB was their turning point and haven't been good since. This new stuff just proves my point.

Point taken. Thanks. Thanks a lot for that. Never knew you felt that way. Very enlightening. I'm so glad we have a fan forum where fans who haven't liked their favorite band's music for two decades can come online and crap on their new stuff. Over, and over, and over again.

Gotta make sure I let everybody know that U2 is still disappointing! Because my feelings count too!

Yes, they do. Unfortunately. Truly now, the dinosaur still wanders the Earth.

Seriously. I'd rather play in traffic than post continuously day after day about things I don't like anymore, but people are strange. There are lots of cool people here, though, and things can turn around very quickly, so I hope nobody gets too discouraged when others miss the point of a fan forum.

Also strange is the extreme faith folks here place in cellphone concert videos as evidence of anything, when they're actually hot garbage. Cellphones have little weinie mics designed for conversation at a normal volume. They do not have the technological capability to make any sense of very loud rock concerts. What you're getting is a limp, distant, distorted imitation of the real thing. Even a good bootleg has a bunch of noise in it that can color your perceptions if you don't know how it really was. There just isn't a perfectly faithful amateur way to capture these things, so judging a live performance from them is really unfair. I was at the last US date for JT two weeks ago. I heard him fill that whole stadium with his voice, and it was beautiful. Is his voice perfect at all times? No, and it never has been, what with him being a human being and all, but there's a whole wide world between that and what some seem determined to believe about vast swaths of this tour. If he was actually so terrible, don't you think that would be all over the reviews? The one from my local paper specifically says how great he sounded, "strong as ever." The only review I've seen that's even snippy about his abilities is a Guardian piece whose author didn't care for his harmonica playing. I mean, it sounded good to me, but he said himself that the harmonica had been invented in Germany, made extraordinary here, and would now be murdered by an Irishman.  ;D
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: monopoly on October 09, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
I don't like EBTTRT on record. I thought invisible sucked live. Ordinary love is one of their best songs in years. I can't wait to hear vertigo live. The synth in California is amazing. 360 tour was one of their best. U2 needs to stop pulling people on stage
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on October 09, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
Would anybody care to enlighten me by describing the true purpose of a fan forum?

Banishing any and all "negativity" from this community would be to transform it drastically. Is meaningful, open-minded discussion truly a waste of time simply because you possess a "negative" point-of-view? It's certainly not less so than a pointless conglomerate devoid of opinion... since the impression that I get from y'all is that many believe @U2 would be better off purely as a means of glorification for this band.

Just start a Worship Thread if you want to eliminate differing opinion.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Miss San Diego on October 10, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
Look, when you can't even have a thread about post-concert depression, started by a clearly emotional OP looking for commiseration, without someone dropping by to randomly forecast the sad demise of the band, that's really excessive. That's just silly. Maybe it was misplaced, maybe not, but it's very odd that no one questioned it being there. That's indicative of a forum culture that's heavily negative by any reasonable standard. Put quotes around it if you like, but it's a thing that exists here. There's a fundamental disconnect between those for whom criticism and their right to criticize are extremely important to their experience, almost as if it's a fandom in itself, and those who, like most people, sought out a fan forum to talk to others who love what they love and have a good time, pure and simple. Most people don't seek out these places to see the thing they love picked apart and torn down and to have its end predicted over and over. That's where the annoyance and frustration are coming from. This is deep and profound emotional territory for many people, and the kind of ironic and detached attitude popular in online fandoms is deeply foreign to many of us when it comes to this band. What's interesting is that you can criticize the band all you want, to the point of being outright hateful, but if you question the critics, you get a lot of overheated language about silencing opinions and free speech and the like. Nobody's trying to censor anybody, and these reactions speak to a certain rock critic preciousness that's quite funny. It's not automatically valid, or meaningful, or interesting, or anything else just because it's critical. Nor is it any of those things if it's not critical, but you know, it's a whole lot more fun. The best things that ever come out of fandom are deep dives into what we love passionately, why we love it, what it's meant to our lives, etc. I'd love to see more of that kind of exploration and communion and less silliness and strife.
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Bono's voice is completely shot.

Exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeUe37ZXaY

Exhibit B - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KJtUv-1r9Y

Granted they are rarely played, and both are at the end of a long enough gig......but yeah, even HE apologises after them

I love the man dearly, but old man time has really caught up on his vocal ability.
If he indulges in booze and partying as much as half as Noel Gallagher says he does, there's no surprises his voice has suffered a massive downhill on this tour.
Bad and NYD are already 1 key lower than usual, is he aiming to lower them even further?
The man needs to get a grip on himself if he wants to be able to sing well above his 60's.

I have been watching pretty much every show on youtube since the tour started and his voice has definitely declined.  He sounded great at some of the European shows.  Based on what I have heard the Mexico shows are the worst he has sounded and of course they are tapping them for a DVD  :-[.  He was sounding rough towards the very end of the US leg and I hoped he would recover after a few days off but it sounds like his voice has further deteriorated.  I just hope that he can recover before the SOE tour.  Remember how good he sounded at the beginning of the Innocence tour. 

Check out Iris from Vancouver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqNbEkpzx4 

When his voice is on or when its off he doesnt even sound like the same singer.

It's strikingly bad. It's jarring to watch him live these days, compared to even 12 years ago. Again understandable, but yeah, harsh reality.

I saw them in New Orleans and thought he sounded great. Even better than when I saw them in Dallas.  My friends who had never seen them before all commented on how good he sounded. He may not be at his peak anymore, but he still sounds pretty amazing to me.
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Post by: NOLA Fly on October 10, 2017, 07:13:15 PM
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Look, when you can't even have a thread about post-concert depression, started by a clearly emotional OP looking for commiseration, without someone dropping by to randomly forecast the sad demise of the band, that's really excessive. That's just silly. Maybe it was misplaced, maybe not, but it's very odd that no one questioned it being there. That's indicative of a forum culture that's heavily negative by any reasonable standard. Put quotes around it if you like, but it's a thing that exists here. There's a fundamental disconnect between those for whom criticism and their right to criticize are extremely important to their experience, almost as if it's a fandom in itself, and those who, like most people, sought out a fan forum to talk to others who love what they love and have a good time, pure and simple. Most people don't seek out these places to see the thing they love picked apart and torn down and to have its end predicted over and over. That's where the annoyance and frustration are coming from. This is deep and profound emotional territory for many people, and the kind of ironic and detached attitude popular in online fandoms is deeply foreign to many of us when it comes to this band. What's interesting is that you can criticize the band all you want, to the point of being outright hateful, but if you question the critics, you get a lot of overheated language about silencing opinions and free speech and the like. Nobody's trying to censor anybody, and these reactions speak to a certain rock critic preciousness that's quite funny. It's not automatically valid, or meaningful, or interesting, or anything else just because it's critical. Nor is it any of those things if it's not critical, but you know, it's a whole lot more fun. The best things that ever come out of fandom are deep dives into what we love passionately, why we love it, what it's meant to our lives, etc. I'd love to see more of that kind of exploration and communion and less silliness and strife.

Good post. Would read again.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on October 10, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
Well said, Miss San Diego.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on October 10, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
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Look, when you can't even have a thread about post-concert depression, started by a clearly emotional OP looking for commiseration, without someone dropping by to randomly forecast the sad demise of the band, that's really excessive. That's just silly. Maybe it was misplaced, maybe not, but it's very odd that no one questioned it being there. That's indicative of a forum culture that's heavily negative by any reasonable standard. Put quotes around it if you like, but it's a thing that exists here. There's a fundamental disconnect between those for whom criticism and their right to criticize are extremely important to their experience, almost as if it's a fandom in itself, and those who, like most people, sought out a fan forum to talk to others who love what they love and have a good time, pure and simple. Most people don't seek out these places to see the thing they love picked apart and torn down and to have its end predicted over and over. That's where the annoyance and frustration are coming from. This is deep and profound emotional territory for many people, and the kind of ironic and detached attitude popular in online fandoms is deeply foreign to many of us when it comes to this band. What's interesting is that you can criticize the band all you want, to the point of being outright hateful, but if you question the critics, you get a lot of overheated language about silencing opinions and free speech and the like. Nobody's trying to censor anybody, and these reactions speak to a certain rock critic preciousness that's quite funny. It's not automatically valid, or meaningful, or interesting, or anything else just because it's critical. Nor is it any of those things if it's not critical, but you know, it's a whole lot more fun. The best things that ever come out of fandom are deep dives into what we love passionately, why we love it, what it's meant to our lives, etc. I'd love to see more of that kind of exploration and communion and less silliness and strife.

If there do exist any posts that are outright hateful, then those should simply be reported. That behavior has no place around here.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Blueyedboy on October 11, 2017, 03:39:34 AM
Life is full of positives and negatives, why should this forum be any different? Negative posts that are borne out of reason and context are a lot more meaningful than blind optimistic ones.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: scrittoresabino on January 11, 2018, 08:24:41 PM
stop pretending "darkness" is a high standard of excellence, when it is nothing more than a personal preference.

A "dark" song does not automatically make it superior, more intellectual, meaningful or whatever Im-an-edgy (pun totes intended, thats right, I used "Totes" and Im old... deal) outsider, so that makes things cool person.

Stop pretending pop is inferior. Its just a style and sound that you aren't frenzies with (directed at those who use the word as a negative one).

That being said... I LOVE Acrobat, but I may have more intense passion for Elevation.

The simple rhymes are what help make it work. The lyric style fits the nature of the song. Which is actually better writing than many lyrics that are considered "deep".  It can be more difficult to conjure up raw primal joyousness in a song like Elevation than the raw open wound pain and despair of Acrobat (how many dark sad songs are there in general, compared to the opposite, in rock?) Though, "And I must be an acrobat, To talk like this, And act like that" is one of my favorite lines ever, it is very direct and on the nose.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: KenKaniff on January 11, 2018, 10:45:09 PM
Why did U2 stop the promotional train for this album so quick?
They went hard through week one and it felt like that was the end.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: miryclay on January 12, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
It might creep back up again with the Grammy's coming up.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: achtung child on January 12, 2018, 02:05:36 PM
U2 are "unofficially" broken up. They don't look happy together anymore.  It feels like Bono and Edge running the company, whilst Larry and Adam drift in their own separate worlds.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: habib2343 on January 12, 2018, 03:02:32 PM
it could just be they are exhausted after a year of touring and with age catching up with them...+ Bono and Edge have always dominated proceedings....I think the rhythm section is happy to sit back and collect the cash..

When adam said edge came up with the bassline for blackout, I was shocked.....I think he also wrote another well known bassline but the song escapes me...
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: KenKaniff on January 12, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
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It might creep back up again with the Grammy's coming up.

They are performing at the Grammys? That's awesome, I missed that.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: summerholly on January 12, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
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it could just be they are exhausted after a year of touring and with age catching up with them...+ Bono and Edge have always dominated proceedings....I think the rhythm section is happy to sit back and collect the cash..

When adam said edge came up with the bassline for blackout, I was shocked.....I think he also wrote another well known bassline but the song escapes me...

They are just such a driven band to be at the top, probably in part due to Bono and his relentless energy and drive to challenge himself and stay at the top. I heard Adam say in an interview that to get to the top one needs a Bono in the band! It strikes me that Edge has always been a musical genius especially with the guitars and their sound so that doesn't surprise me. 
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: radiofreenewport on January 13, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
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U2 are "unofficially" broken up. They don't look happy together anymore.  It feels like Bono and Edge running the company, whilst Larry and Adam drift in their own separate worlds.

One thing that bothers me about SOI and SOE is that the lyrics feel more like Bono solo records than true U2 records. When he wrote about Ali or his mother in the past, it was more couched in poetry and not as blatant.

My controversial thought is that I really, really wish Bono would STFU for a good long while. I'm a longtime fan and I'm tired of his endless blathering, especially when he's acting like this record has such deep themes.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: KenKaniff on January 13, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
Bought the NLOTH vinyl the other week. It was basically my first time revisiting the album since I heard it once when it came out. I hated it at the time. It's been tied as my least favorite album (w/ October) because of that one listen in 2009. I don't love the album now, but it's grown A LOT on me. I also appreciate it very much for the risks they took. I'm listening to it now dreaming of U2 taking risks like this again.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: mc on January 13, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
Should they hire another guitarist as Edge has not done a decent solo since AB? ...Seems like he cannot be bothered.
Maybe let Dallas play?
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: achtungx on January 15, 2018, 01:37:25 PM
I definitely wish Bono would STFU for awhile. He grates on my nerves. Blah blah blah Trump blah blah America blah blah an idea blah blah... saying the same crap over and over. If he had any balls, he would try to arrange a meeting with Trump and try to influence him and change his heart, but no, he cops out and talks from afar. That doesn't change anything or help anything. It just adds his voice to the echo chamber of group think and same thought.

I also wish that he'd lay off focusing on the damn USA already. I'm American and I'm sick of hearing about us. One of the reasons I loved Achtung Baby was because it was Euro-centric and a bit exotic to boring mainstream America. The clothes, the attitude, the music.

I'm so bored with the U-S-A.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Racingfan53 on January 18, 2018, 04:55:37 PM
My most controversial thought on U2 is probably that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Yes, I truly think that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Zooropa sounds way too hastily put together.  I'm not bashing the fact that they're experimental--AB, in my humble opinion, is their best album, and that one does experimentalism the right way IMO.  Zooropa and Pop, however, honestly sound to me like they were thrown together (I know they put effort into these, but it really doesn't sound that way.)

Instead, I would have preferred it if they released the 9 non-AB remixes on AB Deluxe as a separate album, perhaps with Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill me or another separately-released song.  Those AB B-sides and unreleased are of a much higher quality than Zooropa and Pop.  Not higher quality than AB, but an AB companion album (rather than simply a second disk, which undermines the greatness of these songs) that has Satellite, LWTSH, Salome, Blow Your House Down, Alex Descends Into Hell, Night and Day, etc., would be a dream.  It's a pity these songs aren't better known, and I think that's because they don't stand on their own as a separate album.  IMO, every (yes, every) non-AB song on the second disk of AB Deluxe is leagues ahead of anything on Pop and Zooropa.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: lightmyway92 on January 19, 2018, 11:10:20 AM
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My most controversial thought on U2 is probably that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Yes, I truly think that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Zooropa sounds way too hastily put together.  I'm not bashing the fact that they're experimental--AB, in my humble opinion, is their best album, and that one does experimentalism the right way IMO.  Zooropa and Pop, however, honestly sound to me like they were thrown together (I know they put effort into these, but it really doesn't sound that way.)

Instead, I would have preferred it if they released the 9 non-AB remixes on AB Deluxe as a separate album, perhaps with Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill me or another separately-released song.  Those AB B-sides and unreleased are of a much higher quality than Zooropa and Pop.  Not higher quality than AB, but an AB companion album (rather than simply a second disk, which undermines the greatness of these songs) that has Satellite, LWTSH, Salome, Blow Your House Down, Alex Descends Into Hell, Night and Day, etc., would be a dream.  It's a pity these songs aren't better known, and I think that's because they don't stand on their own as a separate album.  IMO, every (yes, every) non-AB song on the second disk of AB Deluxe is leagues ahead of anything on Pop and Zooropa.
That's really only a controversial opinion on fan forums like this one.  It's pretty common among the general public.  I've always like Zooropa, though, for what is:  a very creative, entertaining set of songs.  I wouldn't consider the album as a whole to be classic U2, aside from a few songs, but it's fun to listen to once in a while.  I tend to think of it as a companion piece to Achtung Baby that the band spontaneously recorded and released, and not as a major album release, like Pop.

Which brings me to my feeling about Pop :)  You'll find that on this forum, Pop is a hotly-debated and very polarizing album.  A small cult, for lack of a better word, has actually developed around that album.  When it was first released in '97, I had extremely high (probably unrealistic) expectations for it.  Achtung Baby was almost a life-changing album for me.  I wanted another AB, didn't get it, and was very disappointed.  I was also turned off by the title of the album and the whole presentation that U2 put forth at that time. I listened to it a lot at first and got to like a handful of the songs, but then I lost interest.  A couple months later, when the tour started, i saw a picture, in Rolling Stone I believe, of Bono wearing that god-awful muscle shirt.  I will never forget the sinking feeling I had.  I was genuinely concerned that the band I had loved since War had jumped the shark.

  I was overjoyed to find out that wasn't the case when All that You Can't Leave Behind was released a few years later.  Since '97 I've been able to enjoy more of Pop than I did back then, but it will probably always be my least favorite U2 album.  It just strays too far away from what I want from U2.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Luzita on January 19, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
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My most controversial thought on U2 is probably that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Yes, I truly think that Zooropa and Pop are their worst albums.  Zooropa sounds way too hastily put together.  I'm not bashing the fact that they're experimental--AB, in my humble opinion, is their best album, and that one does experimentalism the right way IMO.  Zooropa and Pop, however, honestly sound to me like they were thrown together (I know they put effort into these, but it really doesn't sound that way.)

Instead, I would have preferred it if they released the 9 non-AB remixes on AB Deluxe as a separate album, perhaps with Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill me or another separately-released song.  Those AB B-sides and unreleased are of a much higher quality than Zooropa and Pop.  Not higher quality than AB, but an AB companion album (rather than simply a second disk, which undermines the greatness of these songs) that has Satellite, LWTSH, Salome, Blow Your House Down, Alex Descends Into Hell, Night and Day, etc., would be a dream.  It's a pity these songs aren't better known, and I think that's because they don't stand on their own as a separate album.  IMO, every (yes, every) non-AB song on the second disk of AB Deluxe is leagues ahead of anything on Pop and Zooropa.
That's really only a controversial opinion on fan forums like this one.  It's pretty common among the general public.  I've always like Zooropa, though, for what is:  a very creative, entertaining set of songs.  I wouldn't consider the album as a whole to be classic U2, aside from a few songs, but it's fun to listen to once in a while.  I tend to think of it as a companion piece to Achtung Baby that the band spontaneously recorded and released, and not as a major album release, like Pop.

Which brings me to my feeling about Pop :)  You'll find that on this forum, Pop is a hotly-debated and very polarizing album.  A small cult, for lack of a better word, has actually developed around that album.  When it was first released in '97, I had extremely high (probably unrealistic) expectations for it.  Achtung Baby was almost a life-changing album for me.  I wanted another AB, didn't get it, and was very disappointed.  I was also turned off by the title of the album and the whole presentation that U2 put forth at that time. I listened to it a lot at first and got to like a handful of the songs, but then I lost interest.  A couple months later, when the tour started, i saw a picture, in Rolling Stone I believe, of Bono wearing that god-awful muscle shirt.  I will never forget the sinking feeling I had.  I was genuinely concerned that the band I had loved since War had jumped the shark.

  I was overjoyed to find out that wasn't the case when All that You Can't Leave Behind was released a few years later.  Since '97 I've been able to enjoy more of Pop than I did back then, but it will probably always be my least favorite U2 album.  It just strays too far away from what I want from U2.

I totally agree with this comment. Almost posted something similar myself. Dear Racingfan53, you have to remember that the individuals who post to U2 forums are not necessarily representative of fandom as a whole, and in fact different forums develop distinct personalities. This forum in particular has been a gathering place for folks whom lightmyway92 aptly refers to as "Pop cultists." When I first came here, I innocently walked into certain walls, certain taboo facts and required opinions, that had become ingrained in the small world of this site but had little relationship to the real world.

Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Rasmus on January 19, 2018, 01:38:07 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Racingfan53 on January 19, 2018, 06:22:46 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.

I didn't mean to say that I am in the minority by saying that Zooropa and Pop are bad albums in my opinion.  I think the fact that I've caused some stir in this topic speaks to the fact that this opinion is, indeed, controversial.  Those I know at school who love U2 as I do all dislike Pop and Zooropa (except for a few songs) and though I do like some of the songs from both, I think they're overall quite bad.  I think there are two real camps in the U2 fandom regarding these albums, and both have quite strong opinions.

To each his own.  My aim is not to shame anyone who likes those albums, but they never grew on me and I don't expect them to.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: summerholly on January 19, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.

I didn't mean to say that I am in the minority by saying that Zooropa and Pop are bad albums in my opinion.  I think the fact that I've caused some stir in this topic speaks to the fact that this opinion is, indeed, controversial.  Those I know at school who love U2 as I do all dislike Pop and Zooropa (except for a few songs) and though I do like some of the songs from both, I think they're overall quite bad.  I think there are two real camps in the U2 fandom regarding these albums, and both have quite strong opinions.

To each his own.  My aim is not to shame anyone who likes those albums, but they never grew on me and I don't expect them to.

I am not so keen on them either apart from a few songs but that is just my taste in U2 just love the early stuff and don't so much get the later stuff. 

Reminds me of my mother who was a big fan of the Bee Gees music in the sixties.  When they reinvented themselves and went all disco in the mid- late seventies she was horrified and hated it lol.  I wasn't keen on disco myself but I actually thought that they put out a couple of OK discoish albums when I was about 15 but she would have no part of it lol. 
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Luzita on January 19, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.

I base it mainly on sales figures, which are the most objective measure of an album's popularity. Much of what you're saying has been said before on this forum, like a lot. The idea that U2 have steadily declined since 2000. The idea that Pop is well regarded in Europe and it's really only America that disliked it.

So I'm going to repost an old post of mine that looks at your last assertion in light of the sales figures.

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The discussion of Pop popularity in Europe vs. the U.S. is interesting. (Also an interesting question for other U2 albums.) Nerd that I am, I’d like to examine that issue through sales statistics – though let me *emphasize* this can only provide insight on relative popularity of albums, not on relative quality, which is a subjective judgment.  This site http://chartmasters.org/2016/08/cspc-u2-popularity-analysis/ breaks down sales figures by country and region.

The site seems to do a really careful analysis, but the trouble is it’s unclear which countries are included in their Europe figure. It includes more than the European countries they list individually. It would be nice to know the total population of their “Europe” because then we could take that into account vs. U.S. population and that would give a better sense of relative popularity. I can’t find the exact countries they’re including, but elsewhere they mention places like Russia and Poland that are at a different income level so it wouldn’t be apples to apples anyway. So I’m just going to show album sales totals for Europe vs. U.S. and that should provide a rough popularity comparison.

Album      Europe      U.S.
Boy      1,460,000   1,600,000
October   1,490,000   1,475,000
War      4,200,000   5,000,000
TUF      3,000,000   3,600,000
Joshua Tree   9,150,000   12,400,000
Achtung Baby   5,730,000   8,700,000
Zooropa   3,060,000   2,700,000
Pop      2,830,000   1,800,000
ATYCLB      4,790,000   4,650,000
HTDAAB   4,190,000   3,500,000
NLOTH      2,010,000   1,400,000

So, people who have been saying Pop was more popular in Europe than the U.S. are right.

However, looking just at Europe, only three U2 albums were less popular than Pop, and two of them are from early in U2’s career when the band was much less well known.

We should also note that Pop was a platinum album in the U.S., almost double platinum, which isn’t shabby except by U2 standards.

The above discussion is mostly about Pop in Europe vs. America, but these sales figures also address your assertion that "most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then." Although there is a segment of the fandom that feels that way, it isn't "most people" or ATYCLB and HTDAAB wouldn't have sold so much more than Zooropa and Pop. I would add that though I only listed Europe/U.S. sales above, global sales figures follow the same pattern.

In addition, I know a lot of people who dislike Pop, but I realize that's weak evidence, just like you saying all the U2 lovers you know rate it highly. So I did a little searching online to see if I could find any polls or surveys that would provide a larger sample of opinion than the "people I know" variety. (Though probably none of these is truly representative.)

This article https://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-10-greatest-u2-albums-20140103 is a 2014 Rolling Stones reader's poll ranking the 10 top U2 albums. It came out just before SOI so there were 12 studio albums. Pop was ranked 9th.

This site https://www.besteveralbums.com/ is an album ranking aggregator. It includes critic rankings but the great majority of charts come from members so it's mostly music fan opinion. According to their database, Pop ranks 11th out of 14 (and I think SOE is still too new to be properly ranked).

Ranker https://www.ranker.com/list/best-u2-albums-list/reference has Pop at 11th out of 14, based on 768 voters. (Same caveat on SOE.)

Oooo, this is interesting. Didn't realize this site conducts fan surveys. The last one was in 2016. https://www.atu2.com/survey/2016/
It didn't include an album ranking but did include questions about favorite and least favorite U2 albums. 3.00% listed Pop as their favorite album. 9.08% listed Pop as their least favorite. Fascinating! Even on *this* site, which has a high concentration of Pop lovers, there are more people who rank it lowest than people who rank it highest.

Let me emphasize I didn't go looking for sites that rated Pop low. This is just what I found -- what I was able to search out fairly easily as far as surveys of fan opinion. When considering the rankings, keep in mind we know there is a certain group that ranks Pop near the top. So for it to be ranked low overall means a larger group of people must rank it at or near the bottom.

Let me also REALLY emphasize that there's nothing wrong with having a minority opinion. Music appreciation is subjective. All opinions are valid.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: canucklehead on January 19, 2018, 11:40:29 PM
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My controversial thought is ....


I'd really love it if U2 played Window in the Skies, Ordinary Love, and Electrical Storm at any show ... very underrated



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So would I , and  may I add who's gonna ride your wild horses and magnificent.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on January 20, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
People are confusing musical preferences with actual controversial opinions.

Not controversial: "I think U2 should include X song in their live setlist"
Controversial: "I think U2's 2014 partnership with Apple was a stroke of genius"
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Rasmus on January 20, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.

I base it mainly on sales figures, which are the most objective measure of an album's popularity. Much of what you're saying has been said before on this forum, like a lot. The idea that U2 have steadily declined since 2000. The idea that Pop is well regarded in Europe and it's really only America that disliked it.

So I'm going to repost an old post of mine that looks at your last assertion in light of the sales figures.

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The discussion of Pop popularity in Europe vs. the U.S. is interesting. (Also an interesting question for other U2 albums.) Nerd that I am, I’d like to examine that issue through sales statistics – though let me *emphasize* this can only provide insight on relative popularity of albums, not on relative quality, which is a subjective judgment.  This site http://chartmasters.org/2016/08/cspc-u2-popularity-analysis/ breaks down sales figures by country and region.

The site seems to do a really careful analysis, but the trouble is it’s unclear which countries are included in their Europe figure. It includes more than the European countries they list individually. It would be nice to know the total population of their “Europe” because then we could take that into account vs. U.S. population and that would give a better sense of relative popularity. I can’t find the exact countries they’re including, but elsewhere they mention places like Russia and Poland that are at a different income level so it wouldn’t be apples to apples anyway. So I’m just going to show album sales totals for Europe vs. U.S. and that should provide a rough popularity comparison.

Album      Europe      U.S.
Boy      1,460,000   1,600,000
October   1,490,000   1,475,000
War      4,200,000   5,000,000
TUF      3,000,000   3,600,000
Joshua Tree   9,150,000   12,400,000
Achtung Baby   5,730,000   8,700,000
Zooropa   3,060,000   2,700,000
Pop      2,830,000   1,800,000
ATYCLB      4,790,000   4,650,000
HTDAAB   4,190,000   3,500,000
NLOTH      2,010,000   1,400,000

So, people who have been saying Pop was more popular in Europe than the U.S. are right.

However, looking just at Europe, only three U2 albums were less popular than Pop, and two of them are from early in U2’s career when the band was much less well known.

We should also note that Pop was a platinum album in the U.S., almost double platinum, which isn’t shabby except by U2 standards.

The above discussion is mostly about Pop in Europe vs. America, but these sales figures also address your assertion that "most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then." Although there is a segment of the fandom that feels that way, it isn't "most people" or ATYCLB and HTDAAB wouldn't have sold so much more than Zooropa and Pop. I would add that though I only listed Europe/U.S. sales above, global sales figures follow the same pattern.

In addition, I know a lot of people who dislike Pop, but I realize that's weak evidence, just like you saying all the U2 lovers you know rate it highly. So I did a little searching online to see if I could find any polls or surveys that would provide a larger sample of opinion than the "people I know" variety. (Though probably none of these is truly representative.)

This article https://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-10-greatest-u2-albums-20140103 is a 2014 Rolling Stones reader's poll ranking the 10 top U2 albums. It came out just before SOI so there were 12 studio albums. Pop was ranked 9th.

This site https://www.besteveralbums.com/ is an album ranking aggregator. It includes critic rankings but the great majority of charts come from members so it's mostly music fan opinion. According to their database, Pop ranks 11th out of 14 (and I think SOE is still too new to be properly ranked).

Ranker https://www.ranker.com/list/best-u2-albums-list/reference has Pop at 11th out of 14, based on 768 voters. (Same caveat on SOE.)

Oooo, this is interesting. Didn't realize this site conducts fan surveys. The last one was in 2016. https://www.atu2.com/survey/2016/
It didn't include an album ranking but did include questions about favorite and least favorite U2 albums. 3.00% listed Pop as their favorite album. 9.08% listed Pop as their least favorite. Fascinating! Even on *this* site, which has a high concentration of Pop lovers, there are more people who rank it lowest than people who rank it highest.

Let me emphasize I didn't go looking for sites that rated Pop low. This is just what I found -- what I was able to search out fairly easily as far as surveys of fan opinion. When considering the rankings, keep in mind we know there is a certain group that ranks Pop near the top. So for it to be ranked low overall means a larger group of people must rank it at or near the bottom.

Let me also REALLY emphasize that there's nothing wrong with having a minority opinion. Music appreciation is subjective. All opinions are valid.

Wow that was an amazing post. I'm kind of floored that you put together a data-based argument like that - thank you. It clearly shows that my own experience is based on a minority groups opinions and not the general perception of the album. Another interesting fact from the ATU2 survey is that Pop wins the "most underrated album" by a huge margin. It truly is the most controversial album in their discography if you ask me!
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Luzita on January 20, 2018, 10:10:04 PM
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Feeling that Zooropa and *especially* Pop are U2's worst albums is not a controversial thought at all, it's completely mainstream. Certain posters will push back against the idea like it's some sort of heresy, but they are no more than a vocal and (how shall I put this) somewhat obsessed minority.

What do you base this on? Pop received rave reviews in my country (Denmark) when it came out and all the U2 lovers that I know rate it very highly in U2's catalogue. If I should make generalisations based on my own experience its that most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then by putting out safe and more or less boring music. I also feel that the album is perceived very differently in EU and the US.

I base it mainly on sales figures, which are the most objective measure of an album's popularity. Much of what you're saying has been said before on this forum, like a lot. The idea that U2 have steadily declined since 2000. The idea that Pop is well regarded in Europe and it's really only America that disliked it.

So I'm going to repost an old post of mine that looks at your last assertion in light of the sales figures.

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The discussion of Pop popularity in Europe vs. the U.S. is interesting. (Also an interesting question for other U2 albums.) Nerd that I am, I’d like to examine that issue through sales statistics – though let me *emphasize* this can only provide insight on relative popularity of albums, not on relative quality, which is a subjective judgment.  This site http://chartmasters.org/2016/08/cspc-u2-popularity-analysis/ breaks down sales figures by country and region.

The site seems to do a really careful analysis, but the trouble is it’s unclear which countries are included in their Europe figure. It includes more than the European countries they list individually. It would be nice to know the total population of their “Europe” because then we could take that into account vs. U.S. population and that would give a better sense of relative popularity. I can’t find the exact countries they’re including, but elsewhere they mention places like Russia and Poland that are at a different income level so it wouldn’t be apples to apples anyway. So I’m just going to show album sales totals for Europe vs. U.S. and that should provide a rough popularity comparison.

AlbumEuropeU.S.
Boy1,460,0001,600,000
October1,490,0001,475,000
War4,200,0005,000,000
TUF3,000,0003,600,000
Joshua Tree9,150,00012,400,000
Achtung Baby5,730,0008,700,000
Zooropa3,060,0002,700,000
Pop2,830,0001,800,000
ATYCLB4,790,0004,650,000
HTDAAB4,190,0003,500,000
NLOTH2,010,0001,400,000

So, people who have been saying Pop was more popular in Europe than the U.S. are right.

However, looking just at Europe, only three U2 albums were less popular than Pop, and two of them are from early in U2’s career when the band was much less well known.

We should also note that Pop was a platinum album in the U.S., almost double platinum, which isn’t shabby except by U2 standards.

The above discussion is mostly about Pop in Europe vs. America, but these sales figures also address your assertion that "most people think U2 were great in the 80's and 90's and have steadily declined since then." Although there is a segment of the fandom that feels that way, it isn't "most people" or ATYCLB and HTDAAB wouldn't have sold so much more than Zooropa and Pop. I would add that though I only listed Europe/U.S. sales above, global sales figures follow the same pattern.

In addition, I know a lot of people who dislike Pop, but I realize that's weak evidence, just like you saying all the U2 lovers you know rate it highly. So I did a little searching online to see if I could find any polls or surveys that would provide a larger sample of opinion than the "people I know" variety. (Though probably none of these is truly representative.)

This article https://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-10-greatest-u2-albums-20140103 is a 2014 Rolling Stones reader's poll ranking the 10 top U2 albums. It came out just before SOI so there were 12 studio albums. Pop was ranked 9th.

This site https://www.besteveralbums.com/ is an album ranking aggregator. It includes critic rankings but the great majority of charts come from members so it's mostly music fan opinion. According to their database, Pop ranks 11th out of 14 (and I think SOE is still too new to be properly ranked).

Ranker https://www.ranker.com/list/best-u2-albums-list/reference has Pop at 11th out of 14, based on 768 voters. (Same caveat on SOE.)

Oooo, this is interesting. Didn't realize this site conducts fan surveys. The last one was in 2016. https://www.atu2.com/survey/2016/
It didn't include an album ranking but did include questions about favorite and least favorite U2 albums. 3.00% listed Pop as their favorite album. 9.08% listed Pop as their least favorite. Fascinating! Even on *this* site, which has a high concentration of Pop lovers, there are more people who rank it lowest than people who rank it highest.

Let me emphasize I didn't go looking for sites that rated Pop low. This is just what I found -- what I was able to search out fairly easily as far as surveys of fan opinion. When considering the rankings, keep in mind we know there is a certain group that ranks Pop near the top. So for it to be ranked low overall means a larger group of people must rank it at or near the bottom.

Let me also REALLY emphasize that there's nothing wrong with having a minority opinion. Music appreciation is subjective. All opinions are valid.

Wow that was an amazing post. I'm kind of floored that you put together a data-based argument like that - thank you. It clearly shows that my own experience is based on a minority groups opinions and not the general perception of the album. Another interesting fact from the ATU2 survey is that Pop wins the "most underrated album" by a huge margin. It truly is the most controversial album in their discography if you ask me!

Thanks for your response. I’ve had bad experiences in the past on this forum when I said that people who love Pop are in the minority. I mean I know we’re probably all a little obsessed when it comes to U2 but jeez. I have some science background so I’m a stickler about the difference between objective and subjective.

You’re probably right that Pop is their most controversial album. It seems to elicit the most polarized reactions.


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Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: toolz2112 on January 20, 2018, 10:31:30 PM
U2 no longer care about touring the rest of the world. They can/will tour America and Europe until they are blue in the face, but the R.O.W will seldom see them. The EI tour dates confirm this. At best, the R.O.W would see touring later this year, early next year, by which time the album is 1 year old or more. I understand they are getting older and don't want to be away from home for as long, but as someone who lives in Australia, it feels like a complete slap in the face (once again). I would love to be proved wrong, but as the years (yes, it is years) go on, I doubt I will be.
Title: Re: What are your controversial U2 thoughts?
Post by: Clarky on January 21, 2018, 12:28:20 AM
I live in Australia and I don't take it as a slap in the face. I feel lucky to have the life I have as it is, let alone complaining that my favourite band won't come play in my city every few years. You should not feel entitled about music tours, it should be a privilege. That's the way I treated it when they came for the 360 tour. It was great and I'll be fine if they never come back. And I live and breathe U2, honestly.