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Title: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: monopoly on March 20, 2017, 02:27:51 PM
Just checked Kentucky and there's still GA for sale from TM. And there's an abundance of seats all around.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: riffraff on March 20, 2017, 02:49:16 PM
 How can that be?
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on March 20, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
Let them have basketball.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: riffraff on March 20, 2017, 03:27:00 PM
no kidding!
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 20, 2017, 04:38:27 PM
Ticket sales actually aren't as bad as you make it sound. For starters, on Ticketmaster, under "type", uncheck the resell tickets. Once you add up all of the available seats, it totals 3,804. For some reason, Ticketmaster has stopped showing the number of remaining available GA tickets; but I'm just going to guesstimate it as roughly 2,000, which would bring the total number of available tickets to 5,804. According to Wikipedia, the stadium has a total of 55,000 seats. Some of the seats, roughly parallel to the stage, are blocked off for sight purposes; but, the volume of available GA tickets likely more than makes up for those lost seats, probably bumping the capacity for this show to roughly 57,000.

With all of that said, based on my estimate of 5,804 available tickets (again, 3,804 remaining seats + what I expect is as many as 2,000 remaining GA tickets), that means that, at present, the Louisville concert is 90% soldout.

I speak for none but myself, but I think that being at 90% soldout thus far is pretty damn good. As today is March 20 and the concert isn't until June 16, I expect that most, if not all, of the remaining tickets will ultimately be sold.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: monopoly on March 20, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
It's just shocking to see GA tickets available from TM 2 months after being on sale. It's like scalpers didn't even bother
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: Saint1322 on March 21, 2017, 02:31:07 PM
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It's just shocking to see GA tickets available from TM 2 months after being on sale. It's like scalpers didn't even bother

This is what happens when you put a show on sale after everyone has already made plans. At these prices, most people can't do two dates, and this show is so close to the other nearest show -- Tampa -- that people (like me) who are already committed to Tampa can't add Louisville.

It's pretty simple. And it is no reflection on U2 or the state of Kentucky. If that show had gone on sale at the same time as the rest, we aren't having this conversation.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: miryclay on March 21, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
You know, it would really be a good strategy to see U2 in smaller markets. More travel but less secondary prices.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 21, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
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It's just shocking to see GA tickets available from TM 2 months after being on sale. It's like scalpers didn't even bother

This is what happens when you put a show on sale after everyone has already made plans. At these prices, most people can't do two dates, and this show is so close to the other nearest show -- Tampa -- that people (like me) who are already committed to Tampa can't add Louisville.

It's pretty simple. And it is no reflection on U2 or the state of Kentucky. If that show had gone on sale at the same time as the rest, we aren't having this conversation.

And, yet, it's still at 90% soldout.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: tigerfan41 on March 21, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
Pittsburgh still has over 2500 GA tickets available plus a slew of other tickets ($35 tickets could still be had as recently as two weeks ago). I'd say that one is selling worse than Louisville and it's been available longer than Louisville.

As someone who wants to catch the guys twice on this tour, it's a good thing for me. I'll be going to Pitt and Cleveland (rather than Cleveland and Chicago as I had planned) since it's cheaper for me and I'm not in as much of a rush to secure tickets for the Pitt concert. But I am hoping the show ultimately sells out.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 21, 2017, 09:12:35 PM
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Pittsburgh still has over 2500 GA tickets available plus a slew of other tickets ($35 tickets could still be had as recently as two weeks ago). I'd say that one is selling worse than Louisville and it's been available longer than Louisville.

As someone who wants to catch the guys twice on this tour, it's a good thing for me. I'll be going to Pitt and Cleveland (rather than Cleveland and Chicago as I had planned) since it's cheaper for me and I'm not in as much of a rush to secure tickets for the Pitt concert. But I am hoping the show ultimately sells out.
I recently did the math for the Pittsburgh show, and it's actually about 91-92% soldout.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: monopoly on March 21, 2017, 11:22:03 PM
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Pittsburgh still has over 2500 GA tickets available plus a slew of other tickets ($35 tickets could still be had as recently as two weeks ago). I'd say that one is selling worse than Louisville and it's been available longer than Louisville.

As someone who wants to catch the guys twice on this tour, it's a good thing for me. I'll be going to Pitt and Cleveland (rather than Cleveland and Chicago as I had planned) since it's cheaper for me and I'm not in as much of a rush to secure tickets for the Pitt concert. But I am hoping the show ultimately sells out.
I recently did the math for the Pittsburgh show, and it's actually about 91-92% soldout.

That's great but the main point is GA tickets are available 2 months in. Regardless of what's sold, the very fact that you can buy a GA this easily and late in is something that I don't recall has ever happened. Will they sell by opening night? Most likely. But right now for that type of ticket to still be available is not the norm... of. Of course they always do GA drops on show days too.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: tigerfan41 on March 21, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
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Pittsburgh still has over 2500 GA tickets available plus a slew of other tickets ($35 tickets could still be had as recently as two weeks ago). I'd say that one is selling worse than Louisville and it's been available longer than Louisville.

As someone who wants to catch the guys twice on this tour, it's a good thing for me. I'll be going to Pitt and Cleveland (rather than Cleveland and Chicago as I had planned) since it's cheaper for me and I'm not in as much of a rush to secure tickets for the Pitt concert. But I am hoping the show ultimately sells out.
I recently did the math for the Pittsburgh show, and it's actually about 91-92% soldout.

That's great but the main point is GA tickets are available 2 months in. Regardless of what's sold, the very fact that you can buy a GA this easily and late in is something that I don't recall has ever happened. Will they sell by opening night? Most likely. But right now for that type of ticket to still be available is not the norm... of. Of course they always do GA drops on show days too.

Right, regardless of how much the rest of the concert is "sold out", the fact that they still have so many GA tickets available less than 2.5 months before the concert is concerning. In fact, that they have any tickets available now is out of the ordinary. I mean, the Chicago and Cleveland concerts were almost instant sellouts. Just about every other city was, too.

The only thing I can think of is that people are choosing to go to Cleveland rather than PA since it's a weekend show. Being smack dab in the middle of the week is definitely hurting sales.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: an tha on March 22, 2017, 01:31:36 AM
Honestly do people actually care if a bunch of multi millionaires getting paid by a multi billion pound corporation sell out a venue or not?



Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 22, 2017, 04:31:25 AM
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Honestly do people actually care if a bunch of multi millionaires getting paid by a multi billion pound corporation sell out a venue or not?

I'm 1,000% with you, An Tha; I find it rather funny that anyone would find anything "concerning" when tickets are at 90%+ soldout, regardless of where in the stadium they may be. They seem to forget that several cities on both the last two tours were slow to sellout (though they did ultimately sellout).

Also, I'm GA for Pittsburgh....... I honestly wouldn't mind if there 1,000 less sweaty bodies down there with me.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: Saint1322 on March 22, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
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Honestly do people actually care if a bunch of multi millionaires getting paid by a multi billion pound corporation sell out a venue or not?





Because as fans we want to see U2 do well.
Because tickets sales could influence the itinerary for future shows, meaning that it is about more than just the multimillionaires.

I live in Northwest Alabama. I'd rather not fly halfway across the country next year to see I+E if I can avoid it. If ticket sales are soft in some markets, it matters.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 22, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
With sales where they presently are for Louisville, the band easily stands to make around $3-million, if not more, just from tickets (i.e., not including merchandise).

As I've said, tickets are around 90% soldout, with the show being a few months out. There's no possible way that this can be construed as a negative, and especially as if the band is somehow "not doing well".

Case in point, stadium shows in Tampa have consistently failed to sell 100% of tickets, yet they still book there on practically every tour. Same with other mega acts: I saw Springsteen in Pittsburgh last September, and there were about 3,000 unsold tickets. They still made close to $2 million on ticket sales, played for almost 4 hours, and I guarantee you that he'll be back, either w his own band or to play w Joe Grueshecky again. It's not like he'll be thinking, "You know, we only sold 16,000 out of 19,000 tickets, so, despite making over $1.5 million, that night was a failure. Let's not play there again."

Gimme a break.

I do get not wanting to travel crazy far for a show, though. U2 normally plays Atlanta, which is close to Birmingham, but I think that they're renovating the Georgia Dome right now? I know that the new baseball stadium will be up-and-running by then, but they haven't played baseball stadiums with any consistency over the years (Busch and Angels Stadium on the 360 tour is really all that springs to mind).
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: an tha on March 22, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
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Honestly do people actually care if a bunch of multi millionaires getting paid by a multi billion pound corporation sell out a venue or not?





Because as fans we want to see U2 do well.
Because tickets sales could influence the itinerary for future shows, meaning that it is about more than just the multimillionaires.

I live in Northwest Alabama. I'd rather not fly halfway across the country next year to see I+E if I can avoid it. If ticket sales are soft in some markets, it matters.

I can see your point about sales impacting future plans - although it may be the case that they are already well on the way to only or mainly playing major 'markets' time will tell.

As for wanting to see them 'do well' i personally don't really care if they shift 80% of a venue and gross 4m 90% of a venue and gross 5m or 100% and gross 6m or whatever the numbers are.......as a potential consumer (although i declined to buy for this tour) I may possibly lean towards preferring lower sales figures if pushed as that could help drive down ticket prices going forward.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 22, 2017, 12:40:19 PM
I will say that the vast amount of tickets at $280 for this tour is pretty ridiculous, especially when compared to past tours, both arena and stadium.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: Saint1322 on March 22, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
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With sales where they presently are for Louisville, the band easily stands to make around $3-million, if not more, just from tickets (i.e., not including merchandise).

As I've said, tickets are around 90% soldout, with the show being a few months out. There's no possible way that this can be construed as a negative, and especially as if the band is somehow "not doing well".

Case in point, stadium shows in Tampa have consistently failed to sell 100% of tickets, yet they still book there on practically every tour. Same with other mega acts: I saw Springsteen in Pittsburgh last September, and there were about 3,000 unsold tickets. They still made close to $2 million on ticket sales, played for almost 4 hours, and I guarantee you that he'll be back, either w his own band or to play w Joe Grueshecky again. It's not like he'll be thinking, "You know, we only sold 16,000 out of 19,000 tickets, so, despite making over $1.5 million, that night was a failure. Let's not play there again."

Gimme a break.

I do get not wanting to travel crazy far for a show, though. U2 normally plays Atlanta, which is close to Birmingham, but I think that they're renovating the Georgia Dome right now? I know that the new baseball stadium will be up-and-running by then, but they haven't played baseball stadiums with any consistency over the years (Busch and Angels Stadium on the 360 tour is really all that springs to mind).

The Georgia Dome is about to be demolished. A new dome will be opening next door this fall. I feel fairly certain that this is why they didn't play Atlanta this time around.

Birmingham's lone stadium is Legion Field (U2 played there on ZooTV -- good boot of it called Hallelujah, My Girl) and that place is a dump and in an EXTREMELY dangerous part of town. I can't think of any band playing a show there since the mid-90s, when Pink Floyd and The Stones came through.

I had hoped U2 might hit Nashville again this time, but I guess Bonneroo knocked that out.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 22, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
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With sales where they presently are for Louisville, the band easily stands to make around $3-million, if not more, just from tickets (i.e., not including merchandise).

As I've said, tickets are around 90% soldout, with the show being a few months out. There's no possible way that this can be construed as a negative, and especially as if the band is somehow "not doing well".

Case in point, stadium shows in Tampa have consistently failed to sell 100% of tickets, yet they still book there on practically every tour. Same with other mega acts: I saw Springsteen in Pittsburgh last September, and there were about 3,000 unsold tickets. They still made close to $2 million on ticket sales, played for almost 4 hours, and I guarantee you that he'll be back, either w his own band or to play w Joe Grueshecky again. It's not like he'll be thinking, "You know, we only sold 16,000 out of 19,000 tickets, so, despite making over $1.5 million, that night was a failure. Let's not play there again."

Gimme a break.

I do get not wanting to travel crazy far for a show, though. U2 normally plays Atlanta, which is close to Birmingham, but I think that they're renovating the Georgia Dome right now? I know that the new baseball stadium will be up-and-running by then, but they haven't played baseball stadiums with any consistency over the years (Busch and Angels Stadium on the 360 tour is really all that springs to mind).

The Georgia Dome is about to be demolished. A new dome will be opening next door this fall. I feel fairly certain that this is why they didn't play Atlanta this time around.

Birmingham's lone stadium is Legion Field (U2 played there on ZooTV -- good boot of it called Hallelujah, My Girl) and that place is a dump and in an EXTREMELY dangerous part of town. I can't think of any band playing a show there since the mid-90s, when Pink Floyd and The Stones came through.

I had hoped U2 might hit Nashville again this time, but I guess Bonneroo knocked that out.
They should've played either Raleigh or Charlotte, logistically speaking, but it's come out that they turned down an offer to play in North Carolina, but refused to do so over the "bathroom law".
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: tigerfan41 on March 22, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
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Honestly do people actually care if a bunch of multi millionaires getting paid by a multi billion pound corporation sell out a venue or not?

I'm 1,000% with you, An Tha; I find it rather funny that anyone would find anything "concerning" when tickets are at 90%+ soldout, regardless of where in the stadium they may be. They seem to forget that several cities on both the last two tours were slow to sellout (though they did ultimately sellout).

Also, I'm GA for Pittsburgh....... I honestly wouldn't mind if there 1,000 less sweaty bodies down there with me.

As long as they don't have another PopMart on their hands (where some shows were under 50% full), that's really all I care about.

I also wouldn't mind if there were less GA people at Pittsburgh. In fact, I'm counting on it which is why I picked PA above Louisville and other potential shows.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: podiumboy on March 22, 2017, 09:27:03 PM
The last time I checked, Louisville had 1,500 floor tickets still available.  That was probably last week sometime, and the ability to see that is gone now.  This Louisville show will at least look pretty full by the day of the show, even if it doesn't technically sell out.  There won't be acres of empty seats like there were during Popmart.  Tampa and Houston will most likely sell out.  Pittsburgh is probably going to look the most empty out of all of them.  Even 360 had a few shows that didn't sell out, including Pittsburgh (I was there, I saw the empty seats in the upper levels). 

U2 are selling well.  They're still one of the top draws in the concert business, if not THE top draw.  If you want to see stadiums not selling well, check some of the shows by Coldplay or Guns n Roses for this year.  Or check out bands like Nickelback or Kings of Leon, who are unable to fill arenas or 20K amphitheaters to even half capacity. 
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: cocamojoe on March 22, 2017, 09:39:56 PM
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The last time I checked, Louisville had 1,500 floor tickets still available.  That was probably last week sometime, and the ability to see that is gone now.  This Louisville show will at least look pretty full by the day of the show, even if it doesn't technically sell out.  There won't be acres of empty seats like there were during Popmart.  Tampa and Houston will most likely sell out.  Pittsburgh is probably going to look the most empty out of all of them.  Even 360 had a few shows that didn't sell out, including Pittsburgh (I was there, I saw the empty seats in the upper levels). 

U2 are selling well.  They're still one of the top draws in the concert business, if not THE top draw.  If you want to see stadiums not selling well, check some of the shows by Coldplay or Guns n Roses for this year.  Or check out bands like Nickelback or Kings of Leon, who are unable to fill arenas or 20K amphitheaters to even half capacity. 

As I said earlier, the Pittsburgh show has crossed the 90% mark. And, I was at the 360 show in Pittsburgh. As I recall, that show was initially billed as the final show, before they eventually announced Moncton. A lot of those empty seats in the upper reaches in Pittsburgh had been sold on Ticketmaster, but then dumped onto the secondary market after Moncton was announced. Some were just diehards who preferred to go to the final show; others were legit scalpers who were losing money, blaming it on Moncton (I met one at a friend's house, and he was saying how the secondary market had no money to really make on that years U2 show, specifically blaming that final Canadian show).

Also, if you go to the Wikipedia page for the current Guns N' Roses tour (which I saw at Heinz Field last summer), and to the tour dates section, you can see which cities didn't sellout. In total, the tour, thus far, is listing at something like 92% soldout. So far as I'm concerned, that's nothing to be ashamed of!

I will also be in the GA for Pittsburgh, btw; in the stands for the second Chicago show, too.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: podiumboy on March 22, 2017, 10:04:58 PM
Check Guns n Roses upcoming shows on ticketmaster.  I believe I counted something like 30,000 unsold seats for the Denver show (NOT including resale tickets). 

Last year's shows mostly sold well for GNR, but the hype has clearly worn off.  Cities like Miami have 10,000+ unsold seats, whereas U2 sold out a bigger stadium in 1 day.  GNR might still end up with one of the top 10 grossing tours of all time, so it just goes to show ticket sales don't mean everything.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: tigerfan41 on March 22, 2017, 11:36:24 PM
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Check Guns n Roses upcoming shows on ticketmaster.  I believe I counted something like 30,000 unsold seats for the Denver show (NOT including resale tickets). 

Last year's shows mostly sold well for GNR, but the hype has clearly worn off.  Cities like Miami have 10,000+ unsold seats, whereas U2 sold out a bigger stadium in 1 day.  GNR might still end up with one of the top 10 grossing tours of all time, so it just goes to show ticket sales don't mean everything.

This doesn't surprise me. The Guns tickets seem grossly overpriced. Same with Coldplay. I can see one of the biggest bands of all time (U2) in GA for a fraction of the cost of a floor seat for Guns or Coldplay. Yes, it is special that the guys got back together, but even that nostalgia doesn't necessitate the absurd ticket prices.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: Saint1322 on March 23, 2017, 12:19:27 PM
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Check Guns n Roses upcoming shows on ticketmaster.  I believe I counted something like 30,000 unsold seats for the Denver show (NOT including resale tickets). 

Last year's shows mostly sold well for GNR, but the hype has clearly worn off.  Cities like Miami have 10,000+ unsold seats, whereas U2 sold out a bigger stadium in 1 day.  GNR might still end up with one of the top 10 grossing tours of all time, so it just goes to show ticket sales don't mean everything.

Did you see the attendance for Guns' second show in Boston last year? I think it sold about 25 percent. They ended up closing off the entire top section and upgrading people who had bought nosebleeds to lower bowl.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: edge726 on March 23, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
They can't spell either

 ;) ;)

I kid
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: PopMart_1997 on March 23, 2017, 07:51:37 PM
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I will say that the vast amount of tickets at $280 for this tour is pretty ridiculous, especially when compared to past tours, both arena and stadium.
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Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: miryclay on March 23, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
These poorly selling Louisville and Pittsburgh shows have got me thinking.
Title: Re: Kentucky can't sell
Post by: Monicalea on March 24, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
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How can that be?

It's Kentucky.