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The Band / Re: MacPhisto Worship Thread
« Last post by Canadanne on May 18, 2018, 05:45:21 PM »
I realised today that I am never going to be able to see Putin on TV any more without the expressions "Vladdy-Vlad" and "Polonium up the bum" coming into my head.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Why is U2 your favorite band?
« Last post by JonD on May 18, 2018, 05:28:23 PM »
Haven’t posted in a while but a great question and insightful answers. I too love Floyd with Bowie and Radiohead to place things in context. Why is U2 my favourite band is difficult to condense after 30+years but here are my thoughts for what it’s worth:

1. They have a sound. From Boy to SOE there is a thread of energy that continues throughout their work. That is apparent to me from IWF to RFD. Also I truly believe that U2 have influenced a great many bands with the guitar SOUND- Edge does not get enough credit.

2. They remain for me one of the most versatile bands in history. They were never satisfied with their success. The transformation from JT/RH to AB was absolutely staggering for me. This transformation while maintaining their core sound as it proceeded to Zooropa Passengers and Pop made me the devoted fan I remain today.

3.  Their 2000’s work still contain great songs.  BD Stuck in a moment Walk On Kite Vertigo NLOTH Magnificent FEZ COL SLABT Lights of Home etc.. still spark adulation, criticism and debate. Not many bands can say that after almost 40 years.

4. I love the building songs and the darker songs: Streets Exit BTBS Fly Acrobat ISHFWILF etc. They provide balance to the light for me. For some reason PF REM and Radiohead are similar in this aspect to me.

5. Most importantly they’re fun to follow. Sounds change and people change. I personally find it difficult after all these years to “break up” because of some sounds/songs I don’t enjoy. I dislike it when fans argue that “true fans regard such and such era as the best”. To me that is is like saying your love of your partner is only based on their style/look from their 20s/30s. What about new fans?  After almost 40 years I can honestly say I love many of their recent songs even though the albums don’t always impact me like their 80s/90s work- the era of my adolescence and early adulthood which was an amazing time of life. Soundtrack to my life indeed.

Jon

Wow- I think that is my longest post ever. Lol.
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The Band / Re: Who's your favorite band member? (poll)
« Last post by welshguy77 on May 18, 2018, 05:27:50 PM »
Bono, just ahead of The Edge.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: October: Retrospecitve
« Last post by welshguy77 on May 18, 2018, 05:26:47 PM »
I threw a brick, Gloria and October are my three favourite songs from the album.  October is, has been, and probably always will be my least favourite U2 album.  I have not listened to it in a long while.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on May 18, 2018, 05:22:56 PM »
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I don't understand the clutter objections. People are talking about buying record players? Nice if you're an audiophile but for the rest of us, just put it on your preferred device. If you're listening for free, you can license it properly. Ok to check out a new artist or album imho (I tried SOE in YT before I bought it) but if you're listening more than a couple times, buy it - whether the whole album or just a song for a lousy buck.

   I can use it on my phone but I can also play through an Echo Dot plugged into my home stereo.  I can just say, “Alexa, play Achtung Baby” and it immediately starts playing. 

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         I've seen those commercials. I'm never going to talk to some electronic device to do everything for me. Not good for the body or the mind.

Wow, really?  When I was in high school the only music I could be aware of was what got played on the radio.  Now there is all kinds of new music out there      to be discovered and its not screened by some radio programming service.  In the old world only a tiny fraction of artists had even a shot at being heard beyond their hometown.  In this era there is so much more variety and creative freedom.  Does an artist really need the chance for a $600 MM net worth to be motivated to create?  At least now you have the possibility of earning something.  Before it was much more all or nothing and being appreciated.  Only a tiny tiny fraction of artists ever got major label deals!  I hear more new bands now than ever.  The live music scene is vibrant with new young bands.  They get known from the internet and then sell out small venues all over the country.  CD sales is not how they make money now days.  You can keep buying them, that’s great.  But its not going to make a dent in the economics of a band.


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If you think things are better now for rock bands, lets compare the years 1980 to 1989 with 2010 to 2018. Which time period has more rock bands you can actually name. Which time period has more rock bands actually making good money. Where is the U2 of 2010 to 2018? Meaning they released their first album no earlier than 2010.

      There are less rock bands out there today by almost any measure. Labels were able to support thousands of bands, most you had never heard of back when the music industry was healthy. Studies have been done looking at what artist make now compared to 20 years ago and it is mind boggeling how little the average artist makes compared to back then. Live music has gradually disappeared from many college campuses and towns. I've seen famous rock clubs shut down because talent and interest had dried up and it was hurting the business. Rock music now is at its lowest level of popularity ever in history. In another thread on here, another poster was discussing the fact that there are now teenagers who have NEVER heard the term Rock N' Roll. D J's spinning dance music are now overwhelmingly dominate on most college campuses and towns. In larger cities, you'll still may have a good live music scene, but its much smaller than it was 20 years ago.

       The little guy now does not earn more than they did 20 years ago. It may be easier to put something out there that people could possibly see, but that does not make it easier to actually get noticed, make money, and turn it into something that will make a career. If you get lucky on youtube and have something go viral, then maybe you might have a chance, but that's like winning the lottery.

I tell you what, name your top 10 favorite new bands, and lets see just how well their doing. How many people nationally or worldwide know who they are? How much have they sold in terms of albums, physical and digital? How many individual track downloads do they have? What do their streaming numbers look like? How about their concert boxoffice numbers? I have access to all that data, and I'll be able to see how each of these 10 bands are doing. The criteria for NEW is the earliest debut album cannot have been released prior to 2010. This should be interesting.


The decline of “Rock” is a different issue.  Enjoyment of music and the number of people engaged in it is not declining.  The music my dad loved is pretty much dead.  The music we grew up with is constantly evolving into something different.  It will likely cease to be known beyond historical interest and a relatively small group of fans at some point.  That happens to every generation’s music.

On the business side, its always been a lottery.  We’ll just have to agree to disagree about whether its better or worse.


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People essentially get todays music for free. A subscription to Spotify is not what I consider paying for music. Artist can't make anything significant when the consumer only has to pay $10 dollars a month to listen to virtually anything they want when they want.

Its true that todays taste in music is essentially R&B, Rap, Hip-Hop, Dance, Dance-Pop, Pop, and Country. Rock, Soft Rock, Hard Rock, Pop Rock, Heavy Metal, Speed Metal is all pretty far from mainstream these days and rarely gets significant airplay or notice from the masses.

But the decline of the rock band, or more generally bands and groups of any genre is not just the change in the publics taste, its also has to do with the ability to make money when there are 4 or 5 individuals in a typical band/group. Any money made is split four or five ways and starting out, that appears to be a big deterrent to getting involved. So your seeing far more solo artist now across every genre.

I'd like to see that list of your top favorite new bands though. I'd be interested to see how their doing and whether they are actually making any money. If most of them are just local, as opposed to national and international groups that leave their town to tour, then that is no different really than a band at the local high school that plays as a hobby.
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The Beatles.  I used to listen to my parents vinyl albums as a kid.  U2 became my favourite band around about 1997, when I was 20.  They are now my second favourite band of all time after The Stones.
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Bob Dylan.  My Dad was a big fan, the harmonica playing and his voice used to aggravate me.  That was when i was a kid and teenager.  Quite like a lot of his stuff now - Blood on the tracks especially - and I certainly respect him.
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General Music Discussion / Re: Whats the Last Album You Listened to in Full
« Last post by welshguy77 on May 18, 2018, 05:15:40 PM »
Led Zeppelin 3
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INXS.  I absolutely loved 'Shabooh Shoobah', 'The Swing', and 'Listen Like Thieves'.  Those three albums (in a row) were marvellous.  I was just a little young to see them in concert back in those days, but my oldest sister did.  I saw them a bit later for the 'Kick' album.

I have a couple of friends who would list INXS as their favorite band before U2. They were further back for me though. But maybe top 5 at the time. Today, still top 10. We all got into INXS during the first year Kick was released. It was amazing going back and buying all the old albums and hearing all this great music for the first time. Too young to see the Kick tour. Missed them on the X tour in early 1991. It was not until the 1993 that I got to see them. I saw them twice in 1993, once in Philadelphia and once in Chicago.

I hear the done touring, but I would love to see them come back around again. It was great seeing them on the Rock Star INXS TV show back in 2005.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: October: Retrospecitve
« Last post by Rasmus on May 18, 2018, 04:55:33 PM »
My three favorite songs are (in order)

1. Tomorrow
2. October
3. Gloria

October was the U2 album I heard last after I became a fan. When I finally got it I didn't really like it although i felt the song October was really good. I didn't like the religous themes as they seemed much more over the top than they were on the later records - much more preachy and direct in an annoying way. I also found it inferior to Boy that I thought was a much more interesting album. Because of this and because I found most of the songs weaker than on the other albums I ranked it as my least favorite U2 album for a long time (that title now goes to NLOTH). Today I like it a bit more. I enjoy about half of the album while i still find the other half quite bad.


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