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Title: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: monopoly on June 14, 2017, 12:56:04 AM
When people refer to past tours, I've noticed they often skip this one. Nor is it really discussed when people discuss rarities and u2s best moments. I did not see this tour in person.

Was it a bad tour? I thought rarities like LIB and An Cath Dub would make it one of the best. What are your thoughts on this era/tour?
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: JFW on June 14, 2017, 01:24:29 AM
What a coincidence. Last week I listened to one of the shows. It was fine, their new songs fitted well in the set. I wasn't there neither, but I think the tour was fine. I enjoyed it more than 360. But maybe is it the 'Rock Dad' that ruined the tour?
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: steve70 on June 14, 2017, 05:38:37 AM
In my opinion they peaked on that tour, been on a slow descent since.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: acrobat62 on June 14, 2017, 05:55:24 AM
I have to agree, the Vertigo tour, for me, was excellent.  I have been to every tour at least once, since TJT original, and it rank up there.

ZooTV
TJT
Vertigo
PopMart
360
I&E
Elevation

If I were to rank them, interested to see where TJT30 ranks after I see it on 6/25.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 14, 2017, 07:20:25 AM
I think it falls into Elevation's shadow due to the similar staging and album.  But it had a few really good aspects:

1. The setlist was unbelievably broad.  This was the first tour where they started to play actual rarities, and juggled the setlist quite a bit as it went on.  IIRC, this tour has one of the most varied selections of songs of any of them.  I saw the very first full-band, full-song performance of the First Time on this tour, plus an acoustic WGRYWH, Fast Cars, Discotheque, and Miss Sarajevo.

2. The Zoo TV encore was brilliant--even though the performances of Zoo Station and The Fly didn't compare to previous ones.  You can also point to this encore as one of the early bids for "nostalgia".  Worked like a charm for me, though.

3. Finally a chance to see some songs from Boy that hadn't been played in ages, particularly Electric Co.  That was a highlight.

I have a hard time ranking the tours, and this certainly isn't the best--that would probably be Zoo TV, though Elevation might get the nod just for how solid the band was.  But it was a great tour--even with some of the lackluster HTDAAB material.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: podiumboy on June 14, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
I saw the Vertigo Tour 3 times, and got 3 significantly different setlists.  Getting to see songs like An Cat Dubh/Into the heart, Electric Co, The Ocean, Gloria, and even a chorus of Stories for Boys was something I never thought would happen.  I loved that tour, and I also feel like it was somewhat of a peak for them.  They were ON FIRE during the ATYCLB/Elevation through HTDAAB / Vertigo era, they had so much momentum and RELEVANCE behind them, and it really showed through in their performances.  It really did seem to energize them.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 14, 2017, 09:34:20 AM
I liked the Vertigo tour and saw it twice.  Even got into the "heart" for one show.  I loved the random selection idea (I know all the rail campers hate it) and thought it was really a fair way to get those super good positions on the floor. Everyone had a shot at them and didn't have to waste their entire day waiting AND you could actually go to the bathroom and not really lose your spot.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: lightmyway92 on June 14, 2017, 11:16:45 AM
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I saw the Vertigo Tour 3 times, and got 3 significantly different setlists.  Getting to see songs like An Cat Dubh/Into the heart, Electric Co, The Ocean, Gloria, and even a chorus of Stories for Boys was something I never thought would happen.  I loved that tour, and I also feel like it was somewhat of a peak for them.  They were ON FIRE during the ATYCLB/Elevation through HTDAAB / Vertigo era, they had so much momentum and RELEVANCE behind them, and it really showed through in their performances.  It really did seem to energize them.
Absolutely!  This was a glorious 5-year period for U2 in terms of popularity, and it really showed in the confidence and energy they put forth in those shows.  One of the (many) great things about the Elevation and Vertigo tours is how seamlessly the ATYCLB and HTDAAB songs fit with the 80's songs and the Achtung Baby songs.  Both tours heavily showcased songs from the respective album they were touring behind throughout the shows, and those songs were well received by audiences.  There was no need to drop songs due to lack of audience enthusiasm on those tours.  I will always have a special fondness for the Vertigo Tour (and for HTDAAB) due to the fact that this tour was the first (and so far only) time I have seen U2 live, despite being a fan since War.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: aviastar on June 14, 2017, 01:06:05 PM
I didn't attend this tour, but I really like watching the Chicago show on Youtube from May 2005.  An Cat Duhb/Into The Heart in this concert was awesome.  B pulls a random kid onstage and sings to him while sitting down.  The "My name is Paul but I call myself Bono" line...it was so "Boy" like.  Seriosly watching this video - I think it is one of their best ever concerts.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: JFW on June 14, 2017, 02:00:15 PM
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I didn't attend this tour, but I really like watching the Chicago show on Youtube from May 2005.  An Cat Duhb/Into The Heart in this concert was awesome.  B pulls a random kid onstage and sings to him while sitting down.  The "My name is Paul but I call myself Bono" line...it was so "Boy" like.  Seriosly watching this video - I think it is one of their best ever concerts.

Electric Co. & An Cat Dubh/Into The Heart is one of their best performance of the Boy era. Feels like they were fresh and new songs
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: JFW on June 14, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
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I liked the Vertigo tour and saw it twice.  Even got into the "heart" for one show.  I loved the random selection idea (I know all the rail campers hate it) and thought it was really a fair way to get those super good positions on the floor. Everyone had a shot at them and didn't have to waste their entire day waiting AND you could actually go to the bathroom and not really lose your spot.
What about the random selection. Never heard of that
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 14, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
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I liked the Vertigo tour and saw it twice.  Even got into the "heart" for one show.  I loved the random selection idea (I know all the rail campers hate it) and thought it was really a fair way to get those super good positions on the floor. Everyone had a shot at them and didn't have to waste their entire day waiting AND you could actually go to the bathroom and not really lose your spot.
What about the random selection. Never heard of that

If you recall the Vertigo stage was very similar to the Elevation stage and had a "heart" section right in front of the stage and catwalks surrounding the "heart". So if you were inside the "heart" the band was all around you the entire night.  Was very cool for those inside.

Stage picture:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg)

How it worked was you bought GA tickets and you would enter the arena like any old show.  However, in the tunnel leading down to the floor they would scan your ticket a second time for a random selection (they would also mark your ticket so you couldn't be scanned again).  If you were picked, you received an additional wristband allowing you and a guest to enter the heart.

Because of fire codes only so many people we allowed inside the "heart" making it even that much better!

Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: JFW on June 14, 2017, 02:28:07 PM
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I liked the Vertigo tour and saw it twice.  Even got into the "heart" for one show.  I loved the random selection idea (I know all the rail campers hate it) and thought it was really a fair way to get those super good positions on the floor. Everyone had a shot at them and didn't have to waste their entire day waiting AND you could actually go to the bathroom and not really lose your spot.
What about the random selection. Never heard of that

If you recall the Vertigo stage was very similar to the Elevation stage and had a "heart" section right in front of the stage and catwalks surrounding the "heart". So if you were inside the "heart" the band was all around you the entire night.  Was very cool for those inside.

Stage picture:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg)

How it worked was everyone bought GA tickets and you would enter the arena like any old show.  However, in the tunnel leading down to the floor they would scan you ticket a second time for a random selection (they would also mark your ticket so you couldn't be scanned again).  If you were picked, you received an additional wristband allowing you and a guest to enter the heart.

Because of fire codes only so many people we allowed inside the "heart" making it even that much better!
So, if you were with four men you had to let two men behind?

Looking at the picture... Where did the audience enter, maybe at the red light? Or had the stage to be built around them?  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 14, 2017, 03:05:46 PM
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I liked the Vertigo tour and saw it twice.  Even got into the "heart" for one show.  I loved the random selection idea (I know all the rail campers hate it) and thought it was really a fair way to get those super good positions on the floor. Everyone had a shot at them and didn't have to waste their entire day waiting AND you could actually go to the bathroom and not really lose your spot.
What about the random selection. Never heard of that

If you recall the Vertigo stage was very similar to the Elevation stage and had a "heart" section right in front of the stage and catwalks surrounding the "heart". So if you were inside the "heart" the band was all around you the entire night.  Was very cool for those inside.

Stage picture:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/U2_Vertigo_Tour_Toronto_2005_stage.jpg)

How it worked was everyone bought GA tickets and you would enter the arena like any old show.  However, in the tunnel leading down to the floor they would scan you ticket a second time for a random selection (they would also mark your ticket so you couldn't be scanned again).  If you were picked, you received an additional wristband allowing you and a guest to enter the heart.

Because of fire codes only so many people we allowed inside the "heart" making it even that much better!



I kind of like this idea, really.  I would think the band would, too--allowing different folks the chance to be in the "heart", rather than it always being the same super-fans who were willing to give up an entire day to stand in line.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 14, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
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So, if you were with four men you had to let two men behind?

Yup.

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Looking at the picture... Where did the audience enter, maybe at the red light? Or had the stage to be built around them?  ;D

You entered under the catwalk stage left or stage right.  You can actually see the stage right exit sign in the picture (on the catwalk) if you look close.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 14, 2017, 04:09:04 PM
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I kind of like this idea, really.  I would think the band would, too--allowing different folks the chance to be in the "heart", rather than it always being the same super-fans who were willing to give up an entire day to stand in line.

I really liked it.  Wish they would do it again/more.  The closest thing to it now is the Red Zone, which you have to pay for.  :/ I wish they would do the Red Zone on one side and random selection on the other side, then all other GA's behind those sections.  I think it would be the best of all worlds.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: lightmyway92 on June 14, 2017, 06:47:16 PM
I got into the "heart" because my then 9-year old step-son and I had GA tickets, and they told me that all kids with GA tickets automatically got into the heart.  I thought that was a very cool thing for U2 to do!  I staked out a spot right in front of the stage on Edge's side.  He actually noticed me singing along with "I Still Haven't Found...," made eye contact and smiled at me!  I always tell that story :)  I was close enough to see the Gibson and Fender insignias on his head stocks of his guitars and watch him play slide guitar! 
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Argo on June 14, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
I saw them at Madison Square Garden on this tour. Didn't get into the inner circle but had front position on the outside bit and right where Bono got up at the start for COBL and where Larry would come out for Love and Peace Or Else. They threw in Original of the Species unplanned near the end. Also did An Cat Dubh which made me fall in love with that song again. Great concert, great tour, great memories.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Starman on June 15, 2017, 11:08:24 AM
I really wish I could have seen this tour (I was young at that time and my parents didn't take me to concerts until years later). The Vertigo Chicago DVD and U2 3D are a major reason I became a U2 fan.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: andrewau2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
For the Elevation tour, it was called the heart.  For Vertigo, it was called the bomb shelter, and for 360 it was the inner circle.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 15, 2017, 11:57:28 AM
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I saw them at Madison Square Garden on this tour.

It was at the 11/21 show at MSG that I got into the "heart" (I also ended up with Larry's set list!).  I am from California and had seen them earlier in the tour in San Jose but I happened to be in NYC visiting at the time of the tour and caught a show.  Turned out to be an awesome show! :)
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: achtungx on June 15, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
I definitely think that it blurs in the memory a bit with Elevation. The stage set-up was too similar. No real unique feature.
Some of the HTDAAB songs were a bit "meh" (I still despise Miracle Drug). My dislike of Miss Sarajevo live also started that tour.

In spite of that stuff, it was a great show .
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 15, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
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I definitely think that it blurs in the memory a bit with Elevation. The stage set-up was too similar. No real unique feature.
Some of the HTDAAB songs were a bit "meh" (I still despise Miracle Drug). My dislike of Miss Sarajevo live also started that tour.

In spite of that stuff, it was a great show .

Huh....I thought MS was a pleasant surprise on this tour, particularly with Bono taking the Pavoratti part.  It also tied nicely into the theme with his father, via opera.

To be very honest, Vertigo was kind of the last tour I attended as a U2 fanatic.  Last tour I attended multiple shows, etc.  I've enjoyed the ones since then to varying degrees, but it felt like my relationship with the band changed somehow between then and 360.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Edgematic on June 15, 2017, 01:11:04 PM
ATYCLB/Elevation was implicitly (and, IIRC, sometimes explicitly) presented as a side-step from their continual evolution since 1981 where they stripped it down to re-discover how to write and play simple rock songs.  They were "re-applying for the biggest band in the world" by demonstrating that they could be a straight-up rock band if and when they every so choose. 

And it was pretty great.  I think ATYCLB hasn't aged particularly well, but it had a couple of good singles and the general message of optimism really clicked after 9/11.  Go to any bar up and down the east coast of the USA in 2001-2002, and you'd hear "Beautiful Day" or "Walk On" at least once.

And the tour emphasized all that.  "U2 was Back!" was the unstated message. 

But, again: it was supposed to be a side-step, not a permanent career shift.  Most big U2 fans I knew assumed that after the Elevation tour, U2 would hide out for a couple of years and re-emerge with something new and different.

So when HTDAAB came out just a few years later, and it sounded like a slightly-worse ATYCLB, and then they went on tour with basically the same stage setup as the Elevation tour and started doing deliberately retro things like playing "Vertigo" twice because they used to do that when they only had 10 songs (?), it all felt for the very first time that some of us had seen this before.  U2 was repeating themselves, and reveling in it.  And that's not even getting into the Zoo TV encores...

For fans that had always held up U2's eagerness to keep moving forward, and their courage to put out material that challenged not only them but their audience, to never rest on their laurels, it was very dispiriting.  There was a feeling to some of us that for the first time, U2 was letting the crowd dictate what they should do; they were pandering.

The tour was...fine?  It's biggest problem was that it was in support of a pretty mediocre album, and totally forgettable songs like "Love and Peace or Else" and "All Because of You" were focal points.  The political messaging also got a little more explicit and felt more forced than it had in previous tours, a trend which has continued (for better and worse). 


Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: aviastar on June 15, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
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ATYCLB/Elevation was implicitly (and, IIRC, sometimes explicitly) presented as a side-step from their continual evolution since 1981 where they stripped it down to re-discover how to write and play simple rock songs.  They were "re-applying for the biggest band in the world" by demonstrating that they could be a straight-up rock band if and when they every so choose. 

And it was pretty great.  I think ATYCLB hasn't aged particularly well, but it had a couple of good singles and the general message of optimism really clicked after 9/11.  Go to any bar up and down the east coast of the USA in 2001-2002, and you'd hear "Beautiful Day" or "Walk On" at least once.

And the tour emphasized all that.  "U2 was Back!" was the unstated message. 

But, again: it was supposed to be a side-step, not a permanent career shift.  Most big U2 fans I knew assumed that after the Elevation tour, U2 would hide out for a couple of years and re-emerge with something new and different.

So when HTDAAB came out just a few years later, and it sounded like a slightly-worse ATYCLB, and then they went on tour with basically the same stage setup as the Elevation tour and started doing deliberately retro things like playing "Vertigo" twice because they used to do that when they only had 10 songs (?), it all felt for the very first time that some of us had seen this before.  U2 was repeating themselves, and reveling in it.  And that's not even getting into the Zoo TV encores...

For fans that had always held up U2's eagerness to keep moving forward, and their courage to put out material that challenged not only them but their audience, to never rest on their laurels, it was very dispiriting.  There was a feeling to some of us that for the first time, U2 was letting the crowd dictate what they should do; they were pandering.

The tour was...fine?  It's biggest problem was that it was in support of a pretty mediocre album, and totally forgettable songs like "Love and Peace or Else" and "All Because of You" were focal points.  The political messaging also got a little more explicit and felt more forced than it had in previous tours, a trend which has continued (for better and worse).

Despite it's mediocre title, Love and Peace or Else was pretty killer live on this tour IMO.  They did a cool effect where they made it sound like fighter jets were roaring overhead and had some sweet light sequencing.  Bono came out looking like Tommy Lee Jones in Under Siege.

 If they had just called it "Love and Peace" I think it would be awesome.  I am not a huge Vertigo fan, but this disc has some really strong tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdt9kE58uww
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 15, 2017, 02:44:44 PM
I said elsewhere, if you were to script a U2 narrative, Elevation would make a very good finale.  It really was a victory lap or happy ending after the darkness and confusion of the 90's.  The problem with that is: how do you follow that up?  You've already run the gamut from your early work, to the exploration and confusion, back to "the beginning" again.  In U2's case, they kind of stayed put for another album/tour in the same vein as ATYCLB/Elevation, which really does lend to it being overlooked in their chronology.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: peggy2ten on June 15, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
I loved Vertigo and saw 10 shows-most for any tour.  Loved the set list.  Managed to get into the Ellipse several times and due to the random selection was able to get front rail twice without staying in line all day. Sure wish U2 would do something similar again to make GA fairer.  The current system has gotten to be ridiculous, especially for people who have an actual life outside of U2.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: aviastar on June 15, 2017, 04:44:03 PM
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I loved Vertigo and saw 10 shows-most for any tour.  Loved the set list.  Managed to get into the Ellipse several times and due to the random selection was able to get front rail twice without staying in line all day. Sure wish U2 would do something similar again to make GA fairer.  The current system has gotten to be ridiculous, especially for people who have an actual life outside of U2.


Tell me about it.  I waited 12+ hours outside in summer STL heat to get into the inner circle for 360.  I decided that was a once in a lifetime thing and cannot do that again.


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Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: jgrooms on June 15, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
The only people I have run into that didn't like the random selection method have been "rail campers".  To me it's a great system and kind of fun walking down the ramp knowing you actually have a shot of getting a great spot on the floor without all the hassle. Please bring it back!
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: missey on June 15, 2017, 05:02:49 PM
I loved this tour.  Very exciting when they scanned your ticket to see if you got into the ellipse.  Fortunately I got in and they let my entire party of four in which was a surprise.  Ended up first row directly in front of The Edge.  Still one of the best days of my life.
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: riffraff on June 15, 2017, 05:13:00 PM
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I loved this tour.  Very exciting when they scanned your ticket to see if you got into the ellipse.  Fortunately I got in and they let my entire party of four in which was a surprise.  Ended up first row directly in front of The Edge.  Still one of the best days of my life.
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: missey on June 15, 2017, 06:04:42 PM
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I loved this tour.  Very exciting when they scanned your ticket to see if you got into the ellipse.  Fortunately I got in and they let my entire party of four in which was a surprise.  Ended up first row directly in front of The Edge.  Still one of the best days of my life.
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and how could I forget....Bono waved at me!
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: imaginary friend on June 15, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
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When people refer to past tours, I've noticed they often skip this one. Nor is it really discussed when people discuss rarities and u2s best moments. I did not see this tour in person.

Was it a bad tour? I thought rarities like LIB and An Cath Dub would make it one of the best. What are your thoughts on this era/tour?

Whatever one may have thought of the album they were touring behind, they were never better as a unit than they were on that tour.

Yeah, the setlists weren't as good as they were on Elevation, but none of their other tours had setlists as good as Elevation's, either, so there.
     :P
Title: Re: Discussion- vertigo tour
Post by: miryclay on June 18, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
I really liked Vertigo. Saw it 12 times, better than Elevation which I thought was weaker.