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Title: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Samdoyle1987 on July 29, 2017, 09:46:42 AM
What do you think of Bono's voice this tour? I think his voice is still good enough for me to think of him as a great singer. Yet, it seems that every tour, he loses a small element of his voice. Remember the legendary high, raspy belts of the 360 tour? (See this video for examples https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBmJhyLous) .  On that tour, he could easily belt powerful c5's, and he could hold them out for several seconds. Now, his highest note is a b4, (he sings it on the WIIIDE awake of "Bad".). It seems there was a large change in vocal power between the 360 tour and the I+e tour. His voice now is pretty much the same as it was in 2015, but he has had to lower " bad'" by a half-step, which is surprising, as he could hit the "wide awake" note (c5) pretty well in 2015. It also seems that his falsetto has gotten weaker, for example the "run TO the ocean" in the OTH coda sounds very thin and sharp., when it sounded rather smooth in the 360 performances of this song.
Although I think bono still has a good voice, in my opinion, he is struggling with high notes more then ever. For example
 -"raining in my heart" from OTH
-" wide awake" from bad
-" burning down love" from streets.
Also, he isn't singing the opera part of MS. I don't know if he still can but I wouldn't put is past him. Here's why- that MS high note (a g#4 held out super long on "L'Amour") is the same note that he hits so well in this 2015 performance of AIWIY at 4:41 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9L8Shphu94.
Also it seems he is being lazy with songs in a lower register. It seems that when a quiet, acoustic song comes along, he takes the opportunity to give his voice a break, and it can sound rather like " talk singing". Especially in RTSS, he doesn't really sing it,he just talks through it.
I am not hating, I just want to start a discussion. On a positive note, I think he sounds good on some performances of OTH, ultraviolet (when he goes for the high notes) and WOWY.
Also, what do you think he can do to get some of his voice back?
I just want to clarify once more that I love bono's voice, in all its forms.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: eddyjedi on July 29, 2017, 10:12:22 AM
He sounded amazing at twickenham 1 I was less than 10 ft from him on bad and he was incredible.


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Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: an tha on July 29, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
He has his moments but his voice is largely very thin these days, he avoids or shall we say changes a lot of the more 'difficult' parts by changing the phrasing and almost speaking in parts and at times his voice is mixed in such a way it has that 'on helium' sound that is difficult to decipher anyway.

Overall it seems very inconsistent, but the thing is it has character that he would be well served embracing rather than trying to sing how he used to and I think he is slowly getting around to realising that and when he does he is better for it.

His low register has always been better to my ear than yelping in higher register Bono and it is his low register these days where he shines best for my money and is still a force to be reckoned with....when he tries to push his higher register he often falls flat, sounds thin or his voice is mixed in such a way that he is almost white noise (clearly deliberate to hide the thinness/lack of power)

He's a rock singer anyway and being 'perfect' isn't necessary in my view - embracing and using the character in your voice, knowing your limitations, using a modified style where necessary etc is all a part of the game and i think he is getting better at doing those things rather than just trying to sing how he used to sing and sounding 'bad'
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: riffraff on July 29, 2017, 11:03:48 AM
He had SUCH a beautiful, strong voice when he was young...I think we all miss that voice. But,
he still shines.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: monopoly on July 29, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Well he's 57. Some songs like TTYW sound better this tour.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: georgemccauley on July 29, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
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He has his moments but his voice is largely very thin these days, he avoids or shall we say changes a lot of the more 'difficult' parts by changing the phrasing and almost speaking in parts and at times his voice is mixed in such a way it has that 'on helium' sound that is difficult to decipher anyway.

Overall it seems very inconsistent, but the thing is it has character that he would be well served embracing rather than trying to sing how he used to and I think he is slowly getting around to realising that and when he does he is better for it.

His low register has always been better to my ear than yelping in higher register Bono and it is his low register these days where he shines best for my money and is still a force to be reckoned with....when he tries to push his higher register he often falls flat, sounds thin or his voice is mixed in such a way that he is almost white noise (clearly deliberate to hide the thinness/lack of power)

He's a rock singer anyway and being 'perfect' isn't necessary in my view - embracing and using the character in your voice, knowing your limitations, using a modified style where necessary etc is all a part of the game and i think he is getting better at doing those things rather than just trying to sing how he used to sing and sounding 'bad'

Great post, your replies regarding Bono's voice are always excellent. We share the same thoughts about his low register. Have you heard the heroes snippet in Bad from Twickenham 1? I think he totally nails that and there's a rasp in his voice we so rarely see these days


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Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: an tha on July 29, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
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He has his moments but his voice is largely very thin these days, he avoids or shall we say changes a lot of the more 'difficult' parts by changing the phrasing and almost speaking in parts and at times his voice is mixed in such a way it has that 'on helium' sound that is difficult to decipher anyway.

Overall it seems very inconsistent, but the thing is it has character that he would be well served embracing rather than trying to sing how he used to and I think he is slowly getting around to realising that and when he does he is better for it.

His low register has always been better to my ear than yelping in higher register Bono and it is his low register these days where he shines best for my money and is still a force to be reckoned with....when he tries to push his higher register he often falls flat, sounds thin or his voice is mixed in such a way that he is almost white noise (clearly deliberate to hide the thinness/lack of power)

He's a rock singer anyway and being 'perfect' isn't necessary in my view - embracing and using the character in your voice, knowing your limitations, using a modified style where necessary etc is all a part of the game and i think he is getting better at doing those things rather than just trying to sing how he used to sing and sounding 'bad'

Great post, your replies regarding Bono's voice are always excellent. We share the same thoughts about his low register. Have you heard the heroes snippet in Bad from Twickenham 1? I think he totally nails that and there's a rasp in his voice we so rarely see these days


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Cheers

I haven't heard that snippet...i'll go and find it later and have a listen - thanks.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Achtung Ninja on July 29, 2017, 01:25:36 PM
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What do you think of Bono's voice this tour? I think his voice is still good enough for me to think of him as a great singer. Yet, it seems that every tour, he loses a small element of his voice. Remember the legendary high, raspy belts of the 360 tour? (See this video for examples https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBmJhyLous) .  On that tour, he could easily belt powerful c5's, and he could hold them out for several seconds. Now, his highest note is a b4, (he sings it on the WIIIDE awake of "Bad".). It seems there was a large change in vocal power between the 360 tour and the I+e tour. His voice now is pretty much the same as it was in 2015, but he has had to lower " bad'" by a half-step, which is surprising, as he could hit the "wide awake" note (c5) pretty well in 2015. It also seems that his falsetto has gotten weaker, for example the "run TO the ocean" in the OTH coda sounds very thin and sharp., when it sounded rather smooth in the 360 performances of this song.
Although I think bono still has a good voice, in my opinion, he is struggling with high notes more then ever. For example
 -"raining in my heart" from OTH
-" wide awake" from bad
-" burning down love" from streets.
Also, he isn't singing the opera part of MS. I don't know if he still can but I wouldn't put is past him. Here's why- that MS high note (a g#4 held out super long on "L'Amour") is the same note that he hits so well in this 2015 performance of AIWIY at 4:41 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9L8Shphu94.
Also it seems he is being lazy with songs in a lower register. It seems that when a quiet, acoustic song comes along, he takes the opportunity to give his voice a break, and it can sound rather like " talk singing". Especially in RTSS, he doesn't really sing it,he just talks through it.
I am not hating, I just want to start a discussion. On a positive note, I think he sounds good on some performances of OTH, ultraviolet (when he goes for the high notes) and WOWY.
Also, what do you think he can do to get some of his voice back?
I just want to clarify once more that I love bono's voice, in all its forms.

I agree. I saw them early on this tour (5-17-17) and it did seem like he wasn't warmed up. However, as the show progressed he showed he could still hit the high notes.  By the time they performed WTSHNN, they looked like the band we all remember and love.

Here's a shot of that song, apologies for the shaky camera. My arms were getting tired.

https://achtungninja.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/where-the-streets-have-no-name-levis-stadium-5-17-17/


Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: 73October on July 30, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
Yes I was at Twickenham and he nailed Heroes.  I'd say he sang really well 95% of the time.  There were a couple of dud notes I heard (when we all weren't singing along) and a couple of things he didn't quite catch.  Also there is more 'spoken song' now compared to previous tours, but that can be understandable when performing a song that may be better suited to a younger voice (RHMT, BTBS).  The note he held on the end of TLTTGTA was strong and well held.
In my opinion, Bono still has a very very good voice.  Even better when you consider that at his age he has been performing approx. 3 shows per week for the last 2.5 months or so.  In fact from last Tuesday night to this Tuesday night he is scheduled to perform 4 shows over 2 hours each.
Younger vocalists can't keep up with Bono's pace.  Adele has likely done some damage again and may never tour again, having cancelled the last 2 shows.  Justin Bieber has cancelled 14 dates in 3 months.  On the JT 2017 tour 14 dates will be just over 3 weeks worth of touring.  Yes I know Bieber may have cancelled due to fatigue or his Christianity (or even both - not that Christianity make you tired!) but I know that U2 are not ones for cancelling and walking away.  In the few times that they have cancelled (for various reasons) they have rescheduled as soon as reasonably possible.  So if Bono had voice problems and needed to cancel - they wouldn't - they'd just postpone. 
I think Bono has some issues with blocked nose/throat - sinuses.  I live across the Irish Sea and there are similar problems here with sinuses etc amongst the people.  It rains a lot on the Irish Sea coasts, and the damp weather can affect breathing and vocal chords.  So I sympathise, as I have some similar problems as well.  I have seen footage of Bono coughing and spluttering mid-song and I know how that feels!
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Pistol80 on July 31, 2017, 04:35:46 AM
His voice is slowly deteriorating, but that is to be expected. Almost every singer his age and older, that I can think of, has the same issues. Song keys are dropped down to compensate or certain high notes are avoided. Or backing singers are brought in to carry some of the load.
He can still belt it out when he wants to, but he probably has to be careful as his voice doesn't have the stamina it used to.
I think he's doing pretty well for his age. It's hard for singers. Singers tend to peak in their early 30's I think.

When he's on, he can still stir the senses. When he did 'Bad' at Twickenham 1, the heroes snippet took me completely by suprise and it sort of lifted the audience to the next level.
It's great that he can still do that at 57 and pull it out of the bag.

Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Kmama07 on July 31, 2017, 05:41:46 AM
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He has his moments but his voice is largely very thin these days, he avoids or shall we say changes a lot of the more 'difficult' parts by changing the phrasing and almost speaking in parts and at times his voice is mixed in such a way it has that 'on helium' sound that is difficult to decipher anyway.

Overall it seems very inconsistent, but the thing is it has character that he would be well served embracing rather than trying to sing how he used to and I think he is slowly getting around to realising that and when he does he is better for it.

His low register has always been better to my ear than yelping in higher register Bono and it is his low register these days where he shines best for my money and is still a force to be reckoned with....when he tries to push his higher register he often falls flat, sounds thin or his voice is mixed in such a way that he is almost white noise (clearly deliberate to hide the thinness/lack of power)

He's a rock singer anyway and being 'perfect' isn't necessary in my view - embracing and using the character in your voice, knowing your limitations, using a modified style where necessary etc is all a part of the game and i think he is getting better at doing those things rather than just trying to sing how he used to sing and sounding 'bad'
Fair points. I agree with both the helium comment and embracing the lower register/deeper matured voice.  Truth be told, I am a bit nervous to see what Detroit show brings. I believe they are off for a month or so beforehand. Some would argue his voice will sound better after a rest. My argument would be tour opening shows generally are weak and suffer from not being in "vocal shape" due to performing every few days. We shall see.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: aviastar on July 31, 2017, 06:40:22 AM
I think his voice is weakening but there have always been songs that he has had trouble hitting the notes live - even back in the day.  U2 has had a habit of writing songs that are challenging for Bono to sing outside of a studio environment.  So what you have is a catalog that only gets harder to sing/perform as the group ages.  The newer stuff (SIO, SOE, NLOTH) probably takes this into account but when they pull way back into their catalog, it can be rough I bet...

R+H Outake from 87 - Unforgettable Fire, prime example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vpOMw6y8A)
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: the_chief on July 31, 2017, 08:17:24 AM
Thought his vocals on California and EBW were brilliant tbh.

Live, always more difficult. For a man of his years and the sh** he's put his voice through, it's amazing he's even still hitting certain notes
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: GEMF on July 31, 2017, 10:53:59 AM
Yesterday I was at Amsterdam 2. After reading comments on boards like these, I was totally surprised at how good Bono still sounds on a second night in a row! Even in a stadium like the Johan Cruyff Arena, which is infamous for its bad sound...

His voice sounds the same to me since 2009. 


Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: georgemccauley on August 03, 2017, 05:59:29 PM
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Yesterday I was at Amsterdam 2. After reading comments on boards like these, I was totally surprised at how good Bono still sounds on a second night in a row! Even in a stadium like the Johan Cruyff Arena, which is infamous for its bad sound...

His voice sounds the same to me since 2009.

He does still sing pretty well but I have to disagree with the comparison to 2009. I think his voice from 2009 - 2015 was one of The most noticeable changes.

This is the one thing that bugs me with his voice these days, if you listen to performances from 360 you can hear there's always a deep layer in everything he is singing. His voice even talking just sounds deeper with more feeling. Bono's voice also hardly ever broke all all during 360 it really was impressive.

Fast forward to SOI and 2015. An huge change for the worse and now we are hearing an incredibly thin and almost nasally sounding voice from bono. As if he has lost all of his lower range and now has to rely on one particular range to sing every song in.

These days he is sounding very thin and almost shouting these songs at us, it might sound harsh but I don't understand why he can't sing like he did in 360 anymore? Is this intentional, is he having vocal lessons?

His voice is incredible still but one thing that bugs me so much is how nasally his voice is. If only he could just relax a bit more and bring out some more lower range, similar that to the 360 tour, don't tell me there's no difference because there's a huge difference


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Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: mariamontreal on August 03, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
I think Bono is comfortable with his voice and I have no problem with it.Lets just be thanful they are still touring and making albums. Looking forward to new album and tour.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: LToy on August 04, 2017, 10:11:50 PM
Perhaps this video will shed some light on the state of Bono's voice.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9ZeJl8nHQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9ZeJl8nHQ)
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: very good on August 05, 2017, 01:31:35 AM
I & E tour was the first signs of deterioration for me - this tour I felt his voice was worse again. I'm amazed it has taken this long considering what he has put his voice through over the years. As recently as the 360 tour he was singing like a bird. Comes to all/most singers - I still enjoy listening to him live but just not like I used to.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Jdelbove on August 10, 2017, 09:57:27 PM
Do we agree that his voice is still way better than it was during popmart, elevation and the vertigo tours? Much more consistent richer and more powerful.  On Popmart he still had a good falsetto though.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: very good on August 12, 2017, 02:42:27 AM
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Do we agree that his voice is still way better than it was during popmart, elevation and the vertigo tours? Much more consistent richer and more powerful.  On Popmart he still had a good falsetto though.

His voice was a bit weaker during popmart but I thought elevation tour it was much stronger. I guess a (very) slow decline since - as is only natural. His voice has stood up fantastically well considering what it has gone through over the last 40 years but it is now at a point that is noticeably different/weaker. I played a friend a video from One in paris yesterday and she said how different he sounds compared to the record. I think that is more noticeable than it's ever been.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Jdelbove on August 12, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
I thought his voice on elevation was pretty much gone.  Raspy, inconsistant and limited power.  The vertigo era saw strength return and sustained high notes.  360 his voice was pretty consistently strong but still raspy at times.  I&E and joshua tree tour his voice is smooth, and there is still some serious power in his middle register but he seems to by shying away from sustained high notes that were easy for him on vertigo and 360.  I do think he has better tone and character than he had during 360 and vertigo as I prefer his middle and lower register which is where he seems comfortable singing now.  I think he still can hit the sustained hight notes but now has focused on constancy and sustainability.  He doesn't want to have shows where his voice is blown from performing the previous show.  He also seems more focused on his tone and sound of his voice rather than showing that he can do the sustained high notes.  I think he sings Pride now better than he ever has.  On Popmart and Elevation he really could not sing the song at all. 

People need to give him more respect.  His sings differently every few years as his voice is constantly changing but still sounds good and impresses.

I know RHMT doesnt sound like the album but look at the performance from London below.  He sounds great doesn't he?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTlF-_46nA
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: JTNash on August 12, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
I gotta say that technologies are better now, so someone's voice could be worse but sound better.  But I don't think that's the case he is taking better care of his pipes these days
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Peterrrrr on August 13, 2017, 02:41:37 AM
He actually have hit an breif of C5 on Bad this tour :)











                                                                                           



His ie voice was very underrated, also in mind, the tour was held just after the bike ride. And pain can hold you back.

The best Streets vocals since 1989 was done in 2015:
Was the vocals more like this(listen from 6:10 to chours)
https://youtu.be/_rSo5tXvtBs?t=6m10s

Higher on Even Better The The Real Thing is alot better this tour 3.32 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi18I-RDKI4&feature=youtu.be&t=3m32s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi18I-RDKI4&feature=youtu.be&t=3m32s)

Powerful Electric Cooooooooooooooo  5.08 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpzEWWc6Zc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpzEWWc6Zc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m8s)

The whole song of the first performence of  WLCTT this tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcmvLrZ8AY#t=23 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcmvLrZ8AY#t=23)

Iris, he have hit the note night after night... 3.24 in this video
https://youtu.be/HXqNbEkpzx4?t=3m24s (https://youtu.be/HXqNbEkpzx4?t=3m24s)

WOWY, wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-uqe66dMY
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: Allhorizonbomb on August 13, 2017, 08:17:44 AM
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What do you think of Bono's voice this tour? I think his voice is still good enough for me to think of him as a great singer. Yet, it seems that every tour, he loses a small element of his voice. Remember the legendary high, raspy belts of the 360 tour? (See this video for examples https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBmJhyLous) .  On that tour, he could easily belt powerful c5's, and he could hold them out for several seconds. Now, his highest note is a b4, (he sings it on the WIIIDE awake of "Bad".). It seems there was a large change in vocal power between the 360 tour and the I+e tour. His voice now is pretty much the same as it was in 2015, but he has had to lower " bad'" by a half-step, which is surprising, as he could hit the "wide awake" note (c5) pretty well in 2015. It also seems that his falsetto has gotten weaker, for example the "run TO the ocean" in the OTH coda sounds very thin and sharp., when it sounded rather smooth in the 360 performances of this song.
Although I think bono still has a good voice, in my opinion, he is struggling with high notes more then ever. For example
 -"raining in my heart" from OTH
-" wide awake" from bad
-" burning down love" from streets.
Also, he isn't singing the opera part of MS. I don't know if he still can but I wouldn't put is past him. Here's why- that MS high note (a g#4 held out super long on "L'Amour") is the same note that he hits so well in this 2015 performance of AIWIY at 4:41 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9L8Shphu94.
Also it seems he is being lazy with songs in a lower register. It seems that when a quiet, acoustic song comes along, he takes the opportunity to give his voice a break, and it can sound rather like " talk singing". Especially in RTSS, he doesn't really sing it,he just talks through it.
I am not hating, I just want to start a discussion. On a positive note, I think he sounds good on some performances of OTH, ultraviolet (when he goes for the high notes) and WOWY.
Also, what do you think he can do to get some of his voice back?
I just want to clarify once more that I love bono's voice, in all its forms.

I'm going to agree with everything here. It's pretty clear he can barely sing A Sort of Homecoming and has to have edge sing all the high notes in that song while he tries to drop an octave for a wierd harmony.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: markinnl on August 24, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
This has me wondering what kind of coaching Bono has had on proper singing technique.  I think i remember even Mick Jagger had to get coaching as he got older so he could sound more like young Mick Jagger.  And i don't even think that there is as much demand on his pipes to sing most Stones songs. 
It might seem silly thinking Bono would need coaching but he's older now and I think the voice is a muscle just like any thing else.  A lot of singers do special vocal exercises pre-show and special diets that are easier on the voice. 

Does anybody know if Bono has had any of this?  I'm just curious.
I apologize if this has been mentioned before, I'm too lazy to look.
Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: georgemccauley on August 25, 2017, 12:38:13 AM
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This has me wondering what kind of coaching Bono has had on proper singing technique.  I think i remember even Mick Jagger had to get coaching as he got older so he could sound more like young Mick Jagger.  And i don't even think that there is as much demand on his pipes to sing most Stones songs. 
It might seem silly thinking Bono would need coaching but he's older now and I think the voice is a muscle just like any thing else.  A lot of singers do special vocal exercises pre-show and special diets that are easier on the voice. 

Does anybody know if Bono has had any of this?  I'm just curious.
I apologize if this has been mentioned before, I'm too lazy to look.

I have always wondered this. But part of me thinks thank Bono is nowhere near humble enough to have coaching these days. He's been in the game for over 40 years he can do what he wants.

Of course I could be wrong though. It'd made perfect sense to have singing lessons to preserve his voice


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Title: Re: Bono's voice 2017 edtion
Post by: JTNash on August 26, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
Of course he has coaching or he would have blown his voice long ago.  This difference people hear in his voice is him singing correctly verse the straing he got famous for.  Not straining will keep him singing longer