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Title: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: gottago on March 06, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
I know this would be a hard pill for the band and some fans to swallow, but since the battle for relevancy is over (or it should be) is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!" 

They have made it longer than other bands have with new material, and that is something to be said.  It is simply time now to embrace where they are at in their musical journey, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: Chargedvt on March 06, 2018, 06:07:32 PM
They'd have to shake off this mindset of being "relevant" and trying for hits.
But yeah, a greatest hits tour would pull in 3x the punters than new music
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 06, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
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I know this would be a hard pill for the band and some fans to swallow, but since the battle for relevancy is over (or it should be) is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!" 

They have made it longer than other bands have with new material, and that is something to be said.  It is simply time now to embrace where they are at in their musical journey, in my opinion.

That sounds boring as hell. What is the most exiting thing is the new stuff and hearing it live. People who are really into the band will appreciate that, plus the band would definitely prefer it because they are artist and love creating new music. Its what they do.



U2 can still fill stadiums in big cities with their new songs. In some places around the world, they would be booked in stadiums no matter what they would do.

Plus, there is always the chance that eventually, one of their new songs will crack the charts and be popular like Vertigo and Beautiful Day were. We've all heard the old songs many times. What is most exciting is what is new.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 06, 2018, 06:31:12 PM
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They'd have to shake off this mindset of being "relevant" and trying for hits.
But yeah, a greatest hits tour would pull in 3x the punters than new music

The band has wanted to be relevant and tried for hits since day one! Why stop now.

More importantly, as artist, why would they stop creating and playing new music? It won't happen. Its what they love and do.

Casual fans will celebrate a greatest hits tour, but the more dedicated fans and the band will want to continue the journey into new music and new live shows with that music.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 07, 2018, 05:20:11 AM
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They'd have to shake off this mindset of being "relevant" and trying for hits.
But yeah, a greatest hits tour would pull in 3x the punters than new music

The band has wanted to be relevant and tried for hits since day one! Why stop now.

More importantly, as artist, why would they stop creating and playing new music? It won't happen. Its what they love and do.

Casual fans will celebrate a greatest hits tour, but the more dedicated fans and the band will want to continue the journey into new music and new live shows with that music.

Do you have to like their new music to be a dedicated fan?  Okay for those who get to see them frequently and go on the journey but they havent been here for 8 or 9 years and I never hear them on the radio at all. We didnt get the JT tour so yeah I would personally love a greatest hit tour and they can include some of their new music as well. 

They don't have to play all the hits but also include some of their older music, ones that they never play as much live perhaps but is still great music.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: boom boom on March 07, 2018, 05:43:47 AM
In my opinion, U2 are already doing greatest hits tours, disguised by putting out new albums.
If you really look at it, U2 sing about 6-8 new songs from the album their are promoting and the rest of the set list is just an barrage of greatest hits that never change, never mind during the same tour even from tour to tour.
That is why the continue to sell out when touring new albums because people know that U2 will always sing the big hit songs and don't mind sitting through the 6-8 new tunes.  That is why 360 tour was soo successful regardless of NLOTH not.
The one time they wanted to do something different was on the I&E tour when they first promoted it as 2 nights, 2 different shows and we all know that didn't happen and why? we all know that Willie Williams said the band were worried about NOT GETTING IN ENOUGH HITS INTO THE SET.
That is why this tour will be the same. We will get about 8 new songs, if that and then a barrage of the usual to satisfy the casual fans.  the casual fans that see U2 know they don't have to worry about U2 pulling out a Springsteen or Pearl for example who change their set from night to night and don't always play the big and popular songs.
The only thing that is keeping maybe people from going to the show is the price at least in the US, and not what they are going to sing, even with a new album because people know they are going to get more than enough big hits to satisfy themselves.
Believe me, when U2 said they are thinking about not playing anything off of the Joshua Tree because they just toured it last year, it will not happen, just like that 2 nights, 2 different shows.  Don't worry casual fans, guaranteed you will get Streets, WOWY and ISHFWILF at the very least.
But I hope I'm wrong and U2 try something different with their set list rather than playing the same old same old, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 07, 2018, 06:07:44 AM
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They'd have to shake off this mindset of being "relevant" and trying for hits.
But yeah, a greatest hits tour would pull in 3x the punters than new music

The band has wanted to be relevant and tried for hits since day one! Why stop now.

More importantly, as artist, why would they stop creating and playing new music? It won't happen. Its what they love and do.

Casual fans will celebrate a greatest hits tour, but the more dedicated fans and the band will want to continue the journey into new music and new live shows with that music.

Do you have to like their new music to be a dedicated fan?  Okay for those who get to see them frequently and go on the journey but they havent been here for 8 or 9 years and I never hear them on the radio at all. We didnt get the JT tour so yeah I would personally love a greatest hit tour and they can include some of their new music as well. 

They don't have to play all the hits but also include some of their older music, ones that they never play as much live perhaps but is still great music.

I would say yes. The band plays old songs at all their shows even when promoting a new album. Australia/New Zealand often get skipped do to the distance, cost, and time involved with playing there. But they will definitely be coming in early 2019, but its not going to be the JT tour. They were originally only going to one show. It got expanded to 10 and then 50. It was for the 30th anniversary of the release of the album. By the time they get down there it will have been 32 years since the Joshua Tree. The band by then will be looking to finishing out the E&I tour and then taking a break.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 07, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
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In my opinion, U2 are already doing greatest hits tours, disguised by putting out new albums.
If you really look at it, U2 sing about 6-8 new songs from the album their are promoting and the rest of the set list is just an barrage of greatest hits that never change, never mind during the same tour even from tour to tour.
That is why the continue to sell out when touring new albums because people know that U2 will always sing the big hit songs and don't mind sitting through the 6-8 new tunes.  That is why 360 tour was soo successful regardless of NLOTH not.
The one time they wanted to do something different was on the I&E tour when they first promoted it as 2 nights, 2 different shows and we all know that didn't happen and why? we all know that Willie Williams said the band were worried about NOT GETTING IN ENOUGH HITS INTO THE SET.
That is why this tour will be the same. We will get about 8 new songs, if that and then a barrage of the usual to satisfy the casual fans.  the casual fans that see U2 know they don't have to worry about U2 pulling out a Springsteen or Pearl for example who change their set from night to night and don't always play the big and popular songs.
The only thing that is keeping maybe people from going to the show is the price at least in the US, and not what they are going to sing, even with a new album because people know they are going to get more than enough big hits to satisfy themselves.
Believe me, when U2 said they are thinking about not playing anything off of the Joshua Tree because they just toured it last year, it will not happen, just like that 2 nights, 2 different shows.  Don't worry casual fans, guaranteed you will get Streets, WOWY and ISHFWILF at the very least.
But I hope I'm wrong and U2 try something different with their set list rather than playing the same old same old, but I'm not holding my breath.

Well, 8 songs is at least 1/3 of the setlist. Most artist would not perform more brand new songs than that from their latest album. The most U2 ever did was 10 songs from Achtung Baby on the ZOO TV tour which was nearly half of the set list at that time. So 8 songs is normal from an album of 10 to 12 songs, although the latest has 13 plus some additional tracks on the delux copy.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 07, 2018, 06:24:09 AM
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They'd have to shake off this mindset of being "relevant" and trying for hits.
But yeah, a greatest hits tour would pull in 3x the punters than new music

The band has wanted to be relevant and tried for hits since day one! Why stop now.

More importantly, as artist, why would they stop creating and playing new music? It won't happen. Its what they love and do.

Casual fans will celebrate a greatest hits tour, but the more dedicated fans and the band will want to continue the journey into new music and new live shows with that music.

Do you have to like their new music to be a dedicated fan?  Okay for those who get to see them frequently and go on the journey but they havent been here for 8 or 9 years and I never hear them on the radio at all. We didnt get the JT tour so yeah I would personally love a greatest hit tour and they can include some of their new music as well. 

They don't have to play all the hits but also include some of their older music, ones that they never play as much live perhaps but is still great music.

I would say yes. The band plays old songs at all their shows even when promoting a new album. Australia/New Zealand often get skipped do to the distance, cost, and time involved with playing there. But they will definitely be coming in early 2019, but its not going to be the JT tour. They were originally only going to one show. It got expanded to 10 and then 50. It was for the 30th anniversary of the release of the album. By the time they get down there it will have been 32 years since the Joshua Tree. The band by then will be looking to finishing out the E&I tour and then taking a break.

Well I guess I am a casual fan then! even though I like way more than just their hits.  I like whole albums of their music and the concepts and driving forces around them but I just don't personally connect as well with their last couple of albums! 
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: gottago on March 09, 2018, 07:19:38 AM
When I think about the other artists and bands from U2's era and before, it is their greatest hits that make them relevant in the latter part of their career.

McCartney, Springsteen, The Stones, Billy Joel, Elton John, (Gosh what older artists and bands are still doing stadium tours?), etc... are getting people to their concerts and creating new fans from their greatest hits, not by making new music and trying to tour those albums.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: PROJ2823 on March 09, 2018, 10:58:55 AM
It is time for a "deep cuts" tour!
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 09, 2018, 12:44:52 PM
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When I think about the other artists and bands from U2's era and before, it is their greatest hits that make them relevant in the latter part of their career.

McCartney, Springsteen, The Stones, Billy Joel, Elton John, (Gosh what older artists and bands are still doing stadium tours?), etc... are getting people to their concerts and creating new fans from their greatest hits, not by making new music and trying to tour those albums.

The overwhelming majority of the fans that go to see those artist are older dedicated fans, not new young fans. That's why those artist are unable to attract the large crowds they did at the height of their careers. They are no longer producing new music that is popular. Having a few hits with new music would dramatically increase the number of people going to see those artist.

U2 have experienced this themselves. A mass influx of fans with the hits on the Joshua Tree, Rattle And Hum and Achtung Baby resulting in sellout stadium tours. Then the failure of Pop and large numbers of less than half full stadiums. Then the rebound with All That You Can't Leave Behind, How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb and a return to stadiums and record setting attendance.

But with Songs Of Innocence and Songs of Experience, U2 have returned to the old low point of the Pop years and are experiencing problems maintaining the heights they achieved in the 00s. They were going to do 8 arena shows in the Los Angeles area on the Innocence And Experience Tour in 2015, but that had to be cut down to just 5 shows because of lack of demand.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 09, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
Yes I am an older fan and would prefer to go to a show weighted with their older music and I don't mean just the hits. I just find their newer music a bit bland and uninteresting.  I loved watching The Edge do his thing on guitar and adding that unique quality to the music and I just don't get that same excitement with the new stuff.  I probably would not go to an E and I concert personally particularly if it costs a lot.

Bono goes on about how current music lacks the guitar and is too girly for his taste (which would not have been my choice of words) blah blah but I find their current music somewhat lacking on the rock front too or their unique sound that first attracted me to the band that stood out amongst the other music of the time.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 09, 2018, 11:26:22 PM
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Yes I am an older fan and would prefer to go to a show weighted with their older music and I don't mean just the hits. I just find their newer music a bit bland and uninteresting.  I loved watching The Edge do his thing on guitar and adding that unique quality to the music and I just don't get that same excitement with the new stuff.  I probably would not go to an E and I concert personally particularly if it costs a lot.

Bono goes on about how current music lacks the guitar and is too girly for his taste (which would not have been my choice of words) blah blah but I find their current music somewhat lacking on the rock front too or their unique sound that first attracted me to the band that stood out amongst the other music of the time.

1. The Edge is still doing guitar on every U2 song
2. The music they make now is not dramatically different from anything they have done in their career, when you think about it.
3. The most new songs they will do from the new album is 8, at most 10. That still leaves room for 15 or 16 older songs.
4. Do you really want to pass up seeing the band just because 1/3 or 1/4 of the setlist will be from the new album?
5. Even if you don't like the new songs on record, when you hear the live versions, you may change your mind about the songs. U2 live is a different animal from U2 studio.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 10, 2018, 01:05:12 AM
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Yes I am an older fan and would prefer to go to a show weighted with their older music and I don't mean just the hits. I just find their newer music a bit bland and uninteresting.  I loved watching The Edge do his thing on guitar and adding that unique quality to the music and I just don't get that same excitement with the new stuff.  I probably would not go to an E and I concert personally particularly if it costs a lot.

Bono goes on about how current music lacks the guitar and is too girly for his taste (which would not have been my choice of words) blah blah but I find their current music somewhat lacking on the rock front too or their unique sound that first attracted me to the band that stood out amongst the other music of the time.

1. The Edge is still doing guitar on every U2 song
2. The music they make now is not dramatically different from anything they have done in their career, when you think about it.
3. The most new songs they will do from the new album is 8, at most 10. That still leaves room for 15 or 16 older songs.
4. Do you really want to pass up seeing the band just because 1/3 or 1/4 of the setlist will be from the new album?
5. Even if you don't like the new songs on record, when you hear the live versions, you may change your mind about the songs. U2 live is a different animal from U2 studio.

Yes the Edge is doing guitar but somehow to my ears the sound of U2 is very different from those earlier years.  Just how I hear it.  New Years day for example really highlights to me the The Edge doing his thing, and a lot of those earlier songs. The old music of the eighties and nineties (excluding Pop)and some of the earlier 2000's  still excites me the new doesn't.  I still get palpitations at the opening sequence of One lol and I love Wild horses and All I Want Is You. 

I haven't made up my mind about seeing the band.  I am sure they would do more E and I songs than that on the tour? maybe not.  Haha me getting old and set in my ways.  My fear is that they play mainly new stuff and then trot out 3 or 4 well worn hits. Things have to really good before I make the effort, it is such a logistical nightmare to get to see any band. David Gilmour would get me to make the trip, U2 possibly.

 Yes I realise a live U2 is where they shine, they are difficult to resist.  Well they wont be coming here for another year so I can decide when I see what their set lists are likely to look like.  If I knew that they were playing mainly their older music I would do what it took to get to see them, I guess that is the difference. 
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: d.darroch on March 10, 2018, 03:14:39 AM
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.... is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!"

But what was it about TJT tour that excited you so much? Was it WTSHNN, ISHFWILF & WOWY, the greatest hits from the album?

I didn't get to see TJT tour, but for me I'd have loved to see Exit, OTH, RHMT & RTSS the most. Yes, TJT album was popular in the day with the casuals, but that was a long time ago. How many will still be familiar with these 4 songs?

If it's going to be a greatest hits tour, catering for the casuals, it's going to have the big 3 from TJT, plus One, Beautiful Day, SBS, Pride, NYD, IWF, Vertigo, Elevation, The Fly, Mysterious Ways.

Look familiar? Mostly the same old warhorses. Personally, I could do without seeing most of them for quite some time, or only sporadically, not all in the same show. Though I'm always happy to experience Streets live, & would love to see The Fly return.

So no greatest hits tour for me thanks.

I enjoy the new stuff (the last two albums), but not too much else since 2000. So I'm happy to see shows with i+e songs.

But my favourite albums are the big 2 & TUF. Plus I enjoy plenty of songs from the other pre-2000 albums.

I don't need songs from the new album, & I don't need deep cuts. But many of the songs I'd like to hear won't be that familiar with casual fans anymore. Songs like Zoo Station, Acrobat, UV (though it's had a good run lately), Love Is Blindness, Zooropa, Gone, Mofo, DYFL, Please, Exit, OTH, RTSS, TUF, ASOH, Bad, AIWIY, God Part II, Heartland, Kite, Two Hearts, Drowning Man, A Day Without Me, plus many more..... Jeez they've got some good tunes, I could continue that list a lot more!

Playing full albums at concerts? Yeah, sure, I'd be up for that. Though to keep the casuals happy I'd think it would have to be TJT or AB.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: Allhorizonbomb on March 10, 2018, 05:10:08 AM
I’d stop buying tickets if they did a greatest hits show. That work mark the end of my fandom from a live perspective.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 10, 2018, 04:41:31 PM
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.... is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!"

But what was it about TJT tour that excited you so much? Was it WTSHNN, ISHFWILF & WOWY, the greatest hits from the album?

I didn't get to see TJT tour, but for me I'd have loved to see Exit, OTH, RHMT & RTSS the most. Yes, TJT album was popular in the day with the casuals, but that was a long time ago. How many will still be familiar with these 4 songs?

If it's going to be a greatest hits tour, catering for the casuals, it's going to have the big 3 from TJT, plus One, Beautiful Day, SBS, Pride, NYD, IWF, Vertigo, Elevation, The Fly, Mysterious Ways.

Look familiar? Mostly the same old warhorses. Personally, I could do without seeing most of them for quite some time, or only sporadically, not all in the same show. Though I'm always happy to experience Streets live, & would love to see The Fly return.

So no greatest hits tour for me thanks.

I enjoy the new stuff (the last two albums), but not too much else since 2000. So I'm happy to see shows with i+e songs.

But my favourite albums are the big 2 & TUF. Plus I enjoy plenty of songs from the other pre-2000 albums.

I don't need songs from the new album, & I don't need deep cuts. But many of the songs I'd like to hear won't be that familiar with casual fans anymore. Songs like Zoo Station, Acrobat, UV (though it's had a good run lately), Love Is Blindness, Zooropa, Gone, Mofo, DYFL, Please, Exit, OTH, RTSS, TUF, ASOH, Bad, AIWIY, God Part II, Heartland, Kite, Two Hearts, Drowning Man, A Day Without Me, plus many more..... Jeez they've got some good tunes, I could continue that list a lot more!

Playing full albums at concerts? Yeah, sure, I'd be up for that. Though to keep the casuals happy I'd think it would have to be TJT or AB.

What would really make me excited about this tour is if they only played Songs from the last two albums. First half of the concert is Songs Of Innocence, second half is Songs Of Experience. For me that would be really exciting and so different from anything they have done before. I guess it would pi*s a lot of people off, but I think it would be so cool and so bold!
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 10, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
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What would really make me excited about this tour is if they only played Songs from the last two albums. First half of the concert is Songs Of Innocence, second half is Songs Of Experience. For me that would be really exciting and so different from anything they have done before. I guess it would pi*s a lot of people off, but I think it would be so cool and so bold!

I can imagine people could feel like that if they have been able to go to all their concerts over the years.  Last time they played here was 8 or 9 years ago so I  would really like to hear a range of music across all the decades.  Really U2 are wealthy enough and old enough please themselves.  It wouldn't pi*s me off because I really don't get to too invested in that sort of stuff, but I would not be going to a concert with just their last 2 albums because I am not really in to their latest music. I would buy a new lens for my camera or something  instead lol.  But I would imagine there would be enough who would embrace the concept.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on March 10, 2018, 11:22:30 PM
Every U2 show, no matter which tour, is essentially a greatest hits show. You will hear Streets, WOWY, Vertigo, Elevation, One, etc. It's like, you go to a Stones show you won't not hear Satisfaction.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: d.darroch on March 10, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
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.... is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!"

But what was it about TJT tour that excited you so much? Was it WTSHNN, ISHFWILF & WOWY, the greatest hits from the album?

I didn't get to see TJT tour, but for me I'd have loved to see Exit, OTH, RHMT & RTSS the most. Yes, TJT album was popular in the day with the casuals, but that was a long time ago. How many will still be familiar with these 4 songs?

If it's going to be a greatest hits tour, catering for the casuals, it's going to have the big 3 from TJT, plus One, Beautiful Day, SBS, Pride, NYD, IWF, Vertigo, Elevation, The Fly, Mysterious Ways.

Look familiar? Mostly the same old warhorses. Personally, I could do without seeing most of them for quite some time, or only sporadically, not all in the same show. Though I'm always happy to experience Streets live, & would love to see The Fly return.

So no greatest hits tour for me thanks.

I enjoy the new stuff (the last two albums), but not too much else since 2000. So I'm happy to see shows with i+e songs.

But my favourite albums are the big 2 & TUF. Plus I enjoy plenty of songs from the other pre-2000 albums.

I don't need songs from the new album, & I don't need deep cuts. But many of the songs I'd like to hear won't be that familiar with casual fans anymore. Songs like Zoo Station, Acrobat, UV (though it's had a good run lately), Love Is Blindness, Zooropa, Gone, Mofo, DYFL, Please, Exit, OTH, RTSS, TUF, ASOH, Bad, AIWIY, God Part II, Heartland, Kite, Two Hearts, Drowning Man, A Day Without Me, plus many more..... Jeez they've got some good tunes, I could continue that list a lot more!

Playing full albums at concerts? Yeah, sure, I'd be up for that. Though to keep the casuals happy I'd think it would have to be TJT or AB.

What would really make me excited about this tour is if they only played Songs from the last two albums. First half of the concert is Songs Of Innocence, second half is Songs Of Experience. For me that would be really exciting and so different from anything they have done before. I guess it would pi*s a lot of people off, but I think it would be so cool and so bold!

I'd be happy with this idea, as I enjoy the last 2 albums. If they'd have tried this with ATYCLB & HTDAAB I'd have had to think very long & hard as to whether I'd attend, as I really don't enjoy those albums. Yeah, if this was done in 2005 I probably would go in the end. Can't say no to a U2 show, & there'd still be some goodness there. Kite is amazing live, LAPOE was great, Vertigo & COBL would have been fresh, BD & Elevation wouldn't have been overplayed at that stage.

As to SoI+SoE if full, there's songs on both albums I'd really like to hear live, which I haven't heard. From SoI, I'd particularly like to hear The Troubles, SLABT, TIWYCRMN. From SoE I'd love to hear LIAWHL (& am worried it may not make the cut). But yeah, I'm sure there'd be a lot of people who wouldn't be happy with it. The casuals being a large part of this group, who make up a very large part of the audience (who are catered for by trotting out the same tired old warhorses night after night).

What I really wish they'd have done this tour, is revisit the idea of an Innocence night, & an Experience night, now that they actually have albums solely devoted to these themes. Plus sprinkle the setlist with some of the lesser known (to casuals) gems I listed in my previous post. Songs that would probably keep summerholly very happy (with plenty more TUF, War & Boy songs I didn't have time to write). Heck, even sprinkle in some of the warhorses, at least these would be split across the two nights. Of course it's not going to happen, they chickened or last time, they don't have 2 nights in all cities, & they haven't advertised it this way.

But with LN at the reins it's certainly all about maximising profits. Look at the ticket prices, & the oversaturation of the US market! So they'll be catering for the large amounts of casuals, who are opening their wallets, funding the shows production, & making it profitable. After the LN deal, who knows? U2 are wealthy enough that they could try something different (& likely less profitable), on a smaller scale. If they wanted to! Songs mostly catering for their hardcore fan base, in smaller venues. Not too small, or they'd be playing forever just to meet demand. But small enough, so they don't do a Popmart & blow the budget, if demand isn't huge. Unless the problem of scalping is addressed, good luck getting tickets to those shows! But knowing U2's history, this is likely a pipe dream.

But whatever U2 chooses to do, I'm sure I'll have an incredible time. It's impossible not to have a great time at a U2 show!
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 11, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
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Every U2 show, no matter which tour, is essentially a greatest hits show. You will hear Streets, WOWY, Vertigo, Elevation, One, etc. It's like, you go to a Stones show you won't not hear Satisfaction.

Its interesting about Satisfaction, they always play it but it would be one of my least favourite Stones tracks.  They have such a big range of albums spanning forty years.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: podiumboy on March 11, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
I once went to a Stones show back in 1999 in Cleveland, and they didn't play "Satisfaction".  I didn't even notice until years later when I found iorr.org and somebody commented on that fact.  I was much more interested to hear something like "Can't you hear me knocking" or "Moonlight Mile" than I was to hear "Satisfaction". 

Likewise, I have seen a U2 show where they didn't play WOWY in 2005.  I thought nothing about it, but I'm sure several people were outraged.  I'm all for Greatest Hits, by any band, taking up a good portion of the show, because it makes for a fun audience.  As long as they throw in some new material and a few deep cuts to keep it interesting for the diehards, which U2 are usually pretty good about.  I enjoyed the JT shows I saw last year, but I could feel the crowd's enthusiasm waning towards the end of JT Side B.  I remember thinking "Alright, time for the encore to give this crowd a shot in the arm". 
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: jgrooms on March 12, 2018, 09:52:47 AM
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I know this would be a hard pill for the band and some fans to swallow, but since the battle for relevancy is over (or it should be) is it time for U2 to simply tour their hits?

After experiencing the Joshua Tree 30 Anniversary Tour, I say, "Heck Yeah!" 

They have made it longer than other bands have with new material, and that is something to be said.  It is simply time now to embrace where they are at in their musical journey, in my opinion.

Frankly (and I hate to disappoint the die hards) they essential do, and have been doing this, on all their tours.  Look at the set lists. In general, 2/3's of the songs are war horses with the other 1/3 new stuff. 

I think what people mean with they make comments like these is they want to see more variety in the older songs they play, not a greatest hits tour.  They play their hits damn near every show.

Think about it, if they would pull out more full versions of older songs that were more rare or never performed before people would be happy.  They have done this to some degree but most of the time the versions they do are little snippets or teasers embedded in a more established song.  They have pulled out more rare songs at times like on the  I+E tour by dusting off Gloria (for example) for a few shows and also on the JT30 tour with A Sort of Homecoming which was nice to see.  The problem is they never make the set for the entire tour.

U2 does a pretty good job of putting together a set list and snippets of their catalog to piece together show most, new and old, fans will like.  I think they just need to get our of their comfort zone with their catalog and be brave enough to stumble through the older songs until they get a version they like live.

If they really wanted to be bold and do another "novelty" tour, do a limited date "Rarities Tour" and reverse the ratio to 2/3 rarities 1/3 (even 1/4) hits.  They would make a killing from the die hard fans.
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Post by: d.darroch on March 12, 2018, 10:53:17 AM
+1 I agree with every word in this post!  ::)
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: McSwilly on March 19, 2018, 06:06:29 PM
YES! For the past few tours I have cringed when new songs were played and being overjoyed when anything from Boy to Achtung was played.

I am not suggesting that they should only play the same hits, there are so many good older songs to cycle through, but the new songs are just such a let down to most of the crowd - though perhaps not most of the people on this forum.

On the Joshua Tree 2017 tour they managed to present songs and a stage design that seemed fresh and relevant. War, Unforgettable Fire and other albums could afford the same.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 20, 2018, 12:40:27 AM
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YES! For the past few tours I have cringed when new songs were played and being overjoyed when anything from Boy to Achtung was played.

I am not suggesting that they should only play the same hits, there are so many good older songs to cycle through, but the new songs are just such a let down to most of the crowd - though perhaps not most of the people on this forum.

On the Joshua Tree 2017 tour they managed to present songs and a stage design that seemed fresh and relevant. War, Unforgettable Fire and other albums could afford the same.

The new music is fantastic and I would not be nearly as interested in the band if their new music was not great. U2 have typically always been about the present and future as opposed to the past. Its what has set them apart from so many classic rock bands out there that just do greatest hits tours for the casual fans. After seeing U2 21 times, what gets me excited the most at a U2 concert is hearing the new songs!
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: Luzita on March 21, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
I think what U2 is doing now is just right — or at least, is the most likely to create a good concert experience for the broadest range of fans.

I’m glad they’re still making new music and play a good sample from their latest album on each tour.   I really like their latest two albums but even if I didn’t like them that much, they always do a great job live and it would make me sad to think they were no longer making new music. It would make me sad both for them as artists, and for myself, because I wouldn’t have new music to look forward to that I might like better than the last album.

I’m glad they play greatest hits and sometimes lesser known songs from their very deep and rich catalogue. As a recently returned fan who hasn’t seen them live since the eighties, I would be pi**ed not to hear those great eighties songs live again plus all the great more recent songs that I’ve never heard live. Though I know some people see them multiple times on every tour, I’m sure in every concert the majority of the audience are people who’ve seen them only a few times or maybe never.

Some of the suggestions that have been made in this thread would please only a small fraction of the fans.


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Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: trevgreg on March 22, 2018, 07:25:22 AM
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In my opinion, U2 are already doing greatest hits tours, disguised by putting out new albums.
If you really look at it, U2 sing about 6-8 new songs from the album their are promoting and the rest of the set list is just an barrage of greatest hits that never change, never mind during the same tour even from tour to tour.
That is why the continue to sell out when touring new albums because people know that U2 will always sing the big hit songs and don't mind sitting through the 6-8 new tunes.  That is why 360 tour was soo successful regardless of NLOTH not.
 

Playing 5-9 new songs a night isn’t a GH show, no matter how you cut it. Most acts play 2-4, if that.

As for hits never changing, I didn’t catch One at any of the shows I saw in 2015. Elevation gets talked about like it’s played at every show, but wasn’t even played at 1/3 of those shows. Unless you literally go to all 70-120 shows on a tour, there’s a bit of a difference between reading what was played as opposed to actually seeing it.

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The one time they wanted to do something different was on the I&E tour when they first promoted it as 2 nights, 2 different shows and we all know that didn't happen and why? we all know that Willie Williams said the band were worried about NOT GETTING IN ENOUGH HITS INTO THE SET.
 

I actually wonder now if a bit of that had to do with Bono’s injuries and they just didn’t want to say it outright at the time. Even then, they still got into a phase where they consistently alternated 2-4 songs a night for that tour, which is commendable considering the circumstance.

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That is why this tour will be the same. We will get about 8 new songs…

… which is still over 1/3 of a show. And more than the usual 1-3 new songs other acts do. You also got 7 different songs on the second Vancouver show you went to in 2015, before they lowered that to 2-4. Dude... it's fine!

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…  if that and then a barrage of the usual to satisfy the casual fans.  the casual fans that see U2 know they don't have to worry about U2 pulling out a Springsteen or Pearl for example who change their set from night to night and don't always play the big and popular songs.
 

And there’s also people that go to Pearl Jam and get irritated that they got the off night when “Jeremy” wasn’t played. I heard a morning DJ in my area say as much when she went to see them. But she was a “casual” fan who presumably doesn’t post on their message boards or follow setlist.fm, so I’m guessing her opinion doesn’t count and she shouldn’t have gone anyway.  ::)

Honestly though... I see maybe 10-15 different acts each year. There's probably only one or two where I know close to literally every song. I don't expect any act to play only to the few people that are following them show-to-show or the online contingent, which probably isn't as big for acts like this anyway.

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The only thing that is keeping maybe people from going to the show is the price at least in the US, and not what they are going to sing, even with a new album because people know they are going to get more than enough big hits to satisfy themselves.
Believe me, when U2 said they are thinking about not playing anything off of the Joshua Tree because they just toured it last year, it will not happen, just like that 2 nights, 2 different shows.  Don't worry casual fans, guaranteed you will get Streets, WOWY and ISHFWILF at the very least.

Which is fine. ISHFWIF wasn’t even played at every show in 2015 and people still cry when Streets comes on. I even go to shows and talk to the hard core fans who aren't big on whatever the new album is, but still say "I want to hear the hits." "Hits" isn't a bad word unless you're aiming for hipster street cred here.

Again, unless you’re going to every show or more than a few of them, it really doesn’t affect anyone that badly... unless we just want to read about a different song or three every night and watch two minutes of it on YouTube before never watching it consistently again. At least they’re not in a Prince or Soundgarden situation right now.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: steve70 on March 22, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Do like the Stones do,  one or two from the new album, the rest from the back catalogue.   Strip it down, back to basics. Having to play every song, esp on TV with a giant video screen behind them, even though they revolutionized that,  is a little much now.
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Post by: wons on March 22, 2018, 11:26:19 AM
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Do like the Stones do,  one or two from the new album, the rest from the back catalogue.   Strip it down, back to basics. Having to play every song, esp on TV with a giant video screen behind them, even though they revolutionized that,  is a little much now.

I wouldn't like that. I'd prefer a show where they only played songs from "Songs Of Innocence" and "Songs Of Experience". That would be exciting, new, fresh, a surprise, bold, and a first for the band. The first half of the concert, Songs of Innocence. The second half of the concert, Songs Of Experience.
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Post by: d.darroch on March 22, 2018, 11:44:24 AM
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I wouldn't like that. I'd prefer a show where they only played songs from "Songs Of Innocence" and "Songs Of Experience". That would be exciting, new, fresh, a surprise, bold, and a first for the band. The first half of the concert, Songs of Innocence. The second half of the concert, Songs Of Experience.
Yep, we've heard it. I'd be fine with it, some others here wouldn't. Plenty of different opinions. Makes it impossible for U2 to keep everybody happy.
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 24, 2018, 06:04:25 PM
Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw
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Post by: summerholly on March 24, 2018, 07:26:42 PM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

That was a different era and the band was still young and very popular and their newer music still appealed to a lot of the fans who liked their older music. I liked both at that stage.  I just find their newer music a little boring to be perfectly honest but the band is rich enough to please themselves and play what they like and I don't begrudge them that.  If they have enough fans to support only the new music then they should please themselves and go for it. 

Would I go and see a show with just music for their last 2 albums? The answer is no as I have other things I would rather spend the ticket price money on.  Do I still love them as a legendary band with a swag of great music, yes.  Many fans have supported them through many years of their music and if the last 2 albums don't do it for them I don't think Bono could accuse them of not being real fans.  I think he would be old enough by now to realise that.
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Post by: Luzita on March 24, 2018, 08:20:39 PM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

Bono was in character as The Fly. This tour was about U2 putting on masks. When he says “we don’t need the pop kids” that’s The Fly talking.



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Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: summerholly on March 24, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

Bono was in character as The Fly. This tour was about U2 putting on masks. When he says “we don’t need the pop kids” that’s The Fly talking.



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You are right! I was trying to put my finger on that up yourself arrogance that I don't really associate with the real Bono lol.  They have always appreciated their fans on the whole
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: wons on March 25, 2018, 12:28:28 AM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

That was a different era and the band was still young and very popular and their newer music still appealed to a lot of the fans who liked their older music. I liked both at that stage.  I just find their newer music a little boring to be perfectly honest but the band is rich enough to please themselves and play what they like and I don't begrudge them that.  If they have enough fans to support only the new music then they should please themselves and go for it. 

Would I go and see a show with just music for their last 2 albums? The answer is no as I have other things I would rather spend the ticket price money on.  Do I still love them as a legendary band with a swag of great music, yes.  Many fans have supported them through many years of their music and if the last 2 albums don't do it for them I don't think Bono could accuse them of not being real fans.  I think he would be old enough by now to realise that.

I think your missing the point. U2 at that stage in 1992 had 7 albums. People were complaining that the band only played songs at the concert from the previous 3 albums with the exception of two songs, and no songs from the first three albums. In essence, you have the Greatest Hits vs primarily new music debate already in 1992 in terms of what they perform in concert. Fans are disappointed because the band did not play Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Years Day, I Will Follow etc. A fan mentions this and the reporter talks about it with Bono. Bono is answering the questions honestly. He is not playing some character here or lying, even though you may notice Larry walking by in the background and yelling "Don't Believe a word".

I was at those early ZOO TV shows and they opened with 8 songs from Achtung Baby. Then they played songs primarily from Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum with two thrown in from the Unforgettable Fire and two more from Achtung Baby. There were people back then who did not attend ZOO TV because they did not like the bands direction and the heavy emphasis on the new music. But hey, its a U2 concert, I think they should have gone to the show and they would have enjoyed it.

But really, U2 are artist and invest most of their time in writing and recording new music. I'm sure they still enjoy their old songs, but where any band is at is their latest music. That's the music the band finds fresh and exciting and typically the most fun to play.

U2 have never wanted to be the old classic rock band that plays the same set list of hits every year at the state fair or the farm show.

Oh and Bono is not some 18 year old in the above video. He is fully grown and mature 31 year old man, a husband and father of two daughters in that video.
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Post by: Peter Parker on March 25, 2018, 12:40:33 AM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

That was a different era and the band was still young and very popular and their newer music still appealed to a lot of the fans who liked their older music. I liked both at that stage.  I just find their newer music a little boring to be perfectly honest but the band is rich enough to please themselves and play what they like and I don't begrudge them that.  If they have enough fans to support only the new music then they should please themselves and go for it. 

Would I go and see a show with just music for their last 2 albums? The answer is no as I have other things I would rather spend the ticket price money on.  Do I still love them as a legendary band with a swag of great music, yes.  Many fans have supported them through many years of their music and if the last 2 albums don't do it for them I don't think Bono could accuse them of not being real fans.  I think he would be old enough by now to realise that.

I think your missing the point. U2 at that stage in 1992 had 7 albums. People were complaining that the band only played songs at the concert from the previous 3 albums with the exception of two songs, and no songs from the first three albums. In essence, you have the Greatest Hits vs primarily new music debate already in 1992 in terms of what they perform in concert. Fans are disappointed because the band did not play Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Years Day, I Will Follow etc. A fan mentions this and the reporter talks about it with Bono. Bono is answering the questions honestly. He is not playing some character here or lying, even though you may notice Larry walking by in the background and yelling "Don't Believe a word".

I was at those early ZOO TV shows and they opened with 8 songs from Achtung Baby. Then they played songs primarily from Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum with two thrown in from the Unforgettable Fire and two more from Achtung Baby. There were people back then who did not attend ZOO TV because they did not like the bands direction and the heavy emphasis on the new music. But hey, its a U2 concert, I think they should have gone to the show and they would have enjoyed it.

But really, U2 are artist and invest most of their time in writing and recording new music. I'm sure they still enjoy their old songs, but where any band is at is their latest music. That's the music the band finds fresh and exciting and typically the most fun to play.

U2 have never wanted to be the old classic rock band that plays the same set list of hits every year at the state fair or the farm show.

Oh and Bono is not some 18 year old in the above video. He is fully grown and mature 31 year old man, a husband and father of two daughters in that video.
"We might lose the pop kids but we dont need them". Different story nowaday!

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Post by: Luzita on March 25, 2018, 11:08:42 AM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

That was a different era and the band was still young and very popular and their newer music still appealed to a lot of the fans who liked their older music. I liked both at that stage.  I just find their newer music a little boring to be perfectly honest but the band is rich enough to please themselves and play what they like and I don't begrudge them that.  If they have enough fans to support only the new music then they should please themselves and go for it. 

Would I go and see a show with just music for their last 2 albums? The answer is no as I have other things I would rather spend the ticket price money on.  Do I still love them as a legendary band with a swag of great music, yes.  Many fans have supported them through many years of their music and if the last 2 albums don't do it for them I don't think Bono could accuse them of not being real fans.  I think he would be old enough by now to realise that.

I think your missing the point. U2 at that stage in 1992 had 7 albums. People were complaining that the band only played songs at the concert from the previous 3 albums with the exception of two songs, and no songs from the first three albums. In essence, you have the Greatest Hits vs primarily new music debate already in 1992 in terms of what they perform in concert. Fans are disappointed because the band did not play Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Years Day, I Will Follow etc. A fan mentions this and the reporter talks about it with Bono. Bono is answering the questions honestly. He is not playing some character here or lying, even though you may notice Larry walking by in the background and yelling "Don't Believe a word".

I was at those early ZOO TV shows and they opened with 8 songs from Achtung Baby. Then they played songs primarily from Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum with two thrown in from the Unforgettable Fire and two more from Achtung Baby. There were people back then who did not attend ZOO TV because they did not like the bands direction and the heavy emphasis on the new music. But hey, its a U2 concert, I think they should have gone to the show and they would have enjoyed it.

But really, U2 are artist and invest most of their time in writing and recording new music. I'm sure they still enjoy their old songs, but where any band is at is their latest music. That's the music the band finds fresh and exciting and typically the most fun to play.

U2 have never wanted to be the old classic rock band that plays the same set list of hits every year at the state fair or the farm show.

Oh and Bono is not some 18 year old in the above video. He is fully grown and mature 31 year old man, a husband and father of two daughters in that video.

I do understand the point you are making, and I realize Bono was not lying about not playing older songs.

However, it is also true that Bono was in character as The Fly. The attitude he shows towards “the pop kids” is not him. Bono and the rest of the band never want to lose any part of the audience, even though their constant re-invention means it happens all the time. As The Fly he can act like he doesn’t care when really he cares a lot.

The tension between wanting to experiment artistically and not wanting to disappoint fans or lose popularity has always been there with this band and is one of the things that makes them unique.


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Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: 73October on March 25, 2018, 03:58:39 PM
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The tension between wanting to experiment artistically and not wanting to disappoint fans or lose popularity has always been there with this band and is one of the things that makes them unique.


Yes agreed.  This is why U2 will not just do a greatest hits tour, because they are so experimental (still) and self critical, they would want the fans to hear something new each time they went out on tour, because they know the fans will respond and they will channel that response into a positive or negative reaction.
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Post by: wons on March 25, 2018, 04:17:44 PM
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Check out the video below. Its from March 1, 1992. Its an MTV report and it discusses the whole issue of old songs vs the new songs. Its funny and ironic in a way, especially what Bono says about people who are not into the new music.

Check it out here, 4 minutes long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry42AY3efqw

That was a different era and the band was still young and very popular and their newer music still appealed to a lot of the fans who liked their older music. I liked both at that stage.  I just find their newer music a little boring to be perfectly honest but the band is rich enough to please themselves and play what they like and I don't begrudge them that.  If they have enough fans to support only the new music then they should please themselves and go for it. 

Would I go and see a show with just music for their last 2 albums? The answer is no as I have other things I would rather spend the ticket price money on.  Do I still love them as a legendary band with a swag of great music, yes.  Many fans have supported them through many years of their music and if the last 2 albums don't do it for them I don't think Bono could accuse them of not being real fans.  I think he would be old enough by now to realise that.

I think your missing the point. U2 at that stage in 1992 had 7 albums. People were complaining that the band only played songs at the concert from the previous 3 albums with the exception of two songs, and no songs from the first three albums. In essence, you have the Greatest Hits vs primarily new music debate already in 1992 in terms of what they perform in concert. Fans are disappointed because the band did not play Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Years Day, I Will Follow etc. A fan mentions this and the reporter talks about it with Bono. Bono is answering the questions honestly. He is not playing some character here or lying, even though you may notice Larry walking by in the background and yelling "Don't Believe a word".

I was at those early ZOO TV shows and they opened with 8 songs from Achtung Baby. Then they played songs primarily from Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum with two thrown in from the Unforgettable Fire and two more from Achtung Baby. There were people back then who did not attend ZOO TV because they did not like the bands direction and the heavy emphasis on the new music. But hey, its a U2 concert, I think they should have gone to the show and they would have enjoyed it.

But really, U2 are artist and invest most of their time in writing and recording new music. I'm sure they still enjoy their old songs, but where any band is at is their latest music. That's the music the band finds fresh and exciting and typically the most fun to play.

U2 have never wanted to be the old classic rock band that plays the same set list of hits every year at the state fair or the farm show.

Oh and Bono is not some 18 year old in the above video. He is fully grown and mature 31 year old man, a husband and father of two daughters in that video.

I do understand the point you are making, and I realize Bono was not lying about not playing older songs.

However, it is also true that Bono was in character as The Fly. The attitude he shows towards “the pop kids” is not him. Bono and the rest of the band never want to lose any part of the audience, even though their constant re-invention means it happens all the time. As The Fly he can act like he doesn’t care when really he cares a lot.

The tension between wanting to experiment artistically and not wanting to disappoint fans or lose popularity has always been there with this band and is one of the things that makes them unique.


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Of course at that time, U2 one could argue were at the height of their fame. Although Achtung Baby and ZOO TV were a risk, at the time of that interview March 1, 1992, the album and tour were already a smashing success. The album had just been certified triple platinum in the United States for 3 million sold and overall worldwide it had already sold 7 million copies even though it was only released 3 and half months earlier. The initial arena tour soldout everywhere in record time which was the signal to go ahead with the largest stadium tour they had ever done later in the year. Perhaps Bono was feeling invincible when he said they "didn't need the pop kids". Five years later going through Pop and the Popmart tour was a humbling experience for them and returned them to earth perhaps. Then again, maybe it was just an act like you said. When was he the Fly, when was he just Bono?

An interesting time indeed. Although the band got very popular again in the 00s with ATYCLB, HTDAAB, the Vertigo Tour, 360 tour etc, you never saw Bono exhibit the same swager, arrogance or over-confidence you sometimes saw in the 1987-1994 time period. Pop and Popmart stung them and brought them back to earth in a way. Since then, they have been smarter, more grounded, down to earth and realistic I think.
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Post by: summerholly on March 25, 2018, 05:21:54 PM
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Oh and Bono is not some 18 year old in the above video. He is fully grown and mature 31 year old man, a husband and father of two daughters in that video.

Yes I know how old he was in that video lol.  I was the same age at the time.  There is a lot of life experience and maturity to be gained between then and now!!
Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: georgemccauley on March 30, 2018, 03:03:48 PM
I think it's pretty much going to come down to how much longer they're happy putting out new material and how much longer Bono can sing these songs well enough to actually tour live. He was quite disappointing on last years JT tour and it'll be interesting to see his approach to this tour and if his voice is in better shape.
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Post by: wons on March 30, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
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I think it's pretty much going to come down to how much longer they're happy putting out new material and how much longer Bono can sing these songs well enough to actually tour live. He was quite disappointing on last years JT tour and it'll be interesting to see his approach to this tour and if his voice is in better shape.

Their artist. Music is like breathing to them. They are always happy with new material. Playing the old songs for the fans though is the only thing they may get tired of from time to time.

I thought his voice was fantastic in Philadelphia and Washington D.C., the shows I saw and I have been seeing this band since the ZOO TV tour. Remember, live performance is not the same as the studio. Rarely is any singer 100% perfect on a tour last months or years. Also there things that can be done in the studio that just cannot be reproduced in a live setting.
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Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on April 24, 2018, 08:52:05 AM
They already did that...Check out the 360 Tour DVD.
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Post by: trevgreg on April 25, 2018, 06:25:00 AM
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"We might lose the pop kids but we dont need them". Different story nowaday!

Do you have any video clips from 25 years ago that I can use to fit my argument about yourself today? Obviously, I'm going to take it verbatim and all...  ;)

Achtung Baby wasn't exactly dripping with esoteric ambient music that had no guitar riffs or hooks either.
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Post by: garyu2 on April 25, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
Greatest Hits tour.

So, a tour where they play the following;

Streets
Pride
Sunday Bloody Sunday
With Or Without You
One
Mysterious ways
Vertigo
Beautiful Day
Elevation
New Year’s Day
I Will Follow
City of Blinding Lights
I still Haven’t Found...


What’s the difference?
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Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on April 27, 2018, 08:02:52 AM
Never understood why COBL has basically been played so much since 2005...

It's a good song...but is it really worthy?

Maybe rotate something else in that slot occasionally?
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Post by: rlabs19 on April 27, 2018, 09:05:00 AM
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Greatest Hits tour.

So, a tour where they play the following;

Streets
Pride
Sunday Bloody Sunday
With Or Without You
One
Mysterious ways
Vertigo
Beautiful Day
Elevation
New Year’s Day
I Will Follow
City of Blinding Lights
I still Haven’t Found...


What’s the difference?

This.

They already only do greatest hits along with some new stuff.
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Post by: Luzita on April 27, 2018, 10:37:21 AM
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Greatest Hits tour.

So, a tour where they play the following;

Streets
Pride
Sunday Bloody Sunday
With Or Without You
One
Mysterious ways
Vertigo
Beautiful Day
Elevation
New Year’s Day
I Will Follow
City of Blinding Lights
I still Haven’t Found...


What’s the difference?

This.

They already only do greatest hits along with some new stuff.

If they already only do greatest hits *along with some new stuff* then they don’t only do greatest hits, do they?

Even when it comes to their old stuff they don’t only do greatest hits, they throw in some lesser known songs as well.


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Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: U2Fan on April 30, 2018, 06:25:12 AM
Based on ticket sales for JT tour vs e&i tour, yes.
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Post by: wons on April 30, 2018, 07:51:40 AM
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Never understood why COBL has basically been played so much since 2005...

It's a good song...but is it really worthy?

Maybe rotate something else in that slot occasionally?

Its a classic U2 song. I love the fact that they have continued to play it.
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Post by: wons on April 30, 2018, 07:55:19 AM
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Based on ticket sales for JT tour vs e&i tour, yes.

That is probably an unfair comparison. Although, if you look at the 360 tour results, it beats the Joshua Tree 2017 tour in most markets, which is amazing because 360 was a tour for "No Line On The Horizon". Overall though, the bands current popularity is slipping because they have not had a hit song in a while. Attendance starts to decline when you are not succeeding in having new hit songs to bring in new fans.
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Post by: d.darroch on April 30, 2018, 11:38:25 AM
Yep, Beautiful Day sold the Elevation tour, Vertigo sold the Vertigo tour. But it was the CLAW that sold the 360 tour, it didn't require a hit single.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on April 30, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
I agree that "City of Blinding Lights" could be retired.
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Post by: scrittoresabino on May 01, 2018, 03:33:36 AM
I think a few things need to be distinguished:

Title: Re: Is it time for U2 to simply start greatest hits tours?
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 01, 2018, 03:44:52 AM
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I agree that "City of Blinding Lights" could be retired.

I don't want them to retire it... Id like to seem them change the way to play it. The build up can be more dynamic. Its a gradual build that tends to feel more serene. This is probably due to its reflective nature in lyric. They can still do that I the beginning, but the when they really go for in the latter half is when it takes off. Many performances are more somber. Would like to see them amp up the last half more, and consistently. Live, this works much better
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 01, 2018, 03:47:08 PM
Well, I'll just roll with it no matter what they play.  I like a solid 98 percent of their songs, some more than others.  I have a great time no matter what the set list.