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U2 has never been my favorite band, but they were pretty close in the late 80's.

Nowadays, they are probably in the 11-15 range if I had to rank my favorites.

Who is in that top 10?
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I've noticed several New Wave(ish) bands that I LOVE mentioned in this thread.

I was born in 1976, so discovered them after the fact, but I have loved bands like Duran Duran, INXS, Psychedelic Furs, The Cure, The Church, The Smiths and Tears For Fears for two decades now. But I got into U2 and REM first.

The Furs might be the most underrated band of the last 40 years. People in America only know Pretty In Pink and Heartbreak Beat, and those are great songs, but there's SO MUCH MORE there.

That is a good group of bands.  I preferred The Furs, The Cure, and The Smiths out of that group along with U2 and REM.  Throw in Depeche Mode and Talking Heads for fun.

I grew up on New Wave, due to my sisters' influence. Lots of Duran Duran, New Order, Cure, Depeche Mode, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Echo and the Bunnymen.

Born in 1976. My sister was a hardcore U2 and tried to convert me. I liked their songs and had to be told by her that those songs were U2. I was not in LOVE with them during Joshua Tree and Rattle & Hum, like she was. They were my sister's band. I wasn't anywhere near in love with U2.

My top 5 albums just before I fell in love with U2 were:
Automatic - Jesus & Mary Chain
INXS - Kick
Nothing Shocking - Jane's Addiction
Screamadelica - Primal Scream
Doolittle - Pixies

Then Alternative / Grunge was starting to form, which I was really into. Achtung Baby hit, and this was NOT my sister's band. Nor was it anything like New Wave. It wasn't punk, and it didn't fit the mold of Alternative / Grunge. It stood out from EVERYTHING. I was hooked the moment MTV showed the video for the FLY, without giving out the band name until afterward. My punk friends were burning their older U2 records and cassettes, I got much of the back catalog for free. I was immediately immersed and in love with a band for the first time. I realized I had only had a high liking for previous albums. Achtung Baby was my first real love. ZooTV hit, and that was my first concert (bonus, PIXIES opened)

Since then, no one comes close to comparing, but still LOVE other artists
2: tie between Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Explosions in the Sky
3: tie between Bowie and Prince
4: New Order, Arcade Fire, White Rabbits
5: Chemical Brothers, Lumineers, Head & the Heart, Muse, Peter Bjorn & John, Black Keys, Kasabian
General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on Today at 01:31:59 AM »
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I've only been talking about physical CDs.  I still buy downloads, mostly from Bandcamp.  I then load them to my Amazon music account so I can listen to them along with all of the other music.  80% of what I listen to, I already have purchased the CD years ago.  If you will remember, this started with "I no longer buy physical CDs." 

The music streaming services are all losing money.  After they pay royalties they can't even cover their infrastructure cost.  Why is this?  Its because not enough people are subscribing.  Contrast this with Netflix, which is profitable.  Same business model.  Are you okay with people streaming video?  Or do they need to buy DVD's in order to be fair to the artists?  Netflix is making money because they have way more subscribers.  As streaming ramps up it will reach this equilibrium.  We are in a period of transition.  Technology drives change and it takes awhile for the business models to adjust.  Music is not dying.

This is also going on with portrait photographers.  They charge a fee for taking the pictures, which does not pay for their costs, and then they sell you prints.  But people don't really want prints much anymore.  They want the digital images.  So the photographers make you buy a minimum number of prints in order to get the images on a flash drive and then the prints just get stuffed in a drawer.  They need to change their business model and just charge a flat fee for taking the pictures and doing whatever photoshop stuff they do.  It takes time for people to understand the market and adapt.  And there is always this period of transistion where some people still want prints and other people don't.  This is what is going on with music.

I remember when people thought film would never give way completely to digital cameras.

Actually, you entered this thread with the following response to the fact that an album I purchased in 1991 at 15 dollars would be nearly 30 dollars adjusting for inflation in 2018.

They may deserve to be paid but how much?  Your Achtung Baby example is not really relevant.  Before the advent of recorded music, there were relatively few ďprofessionalĒ musicians.  Most people who were entertained by music were entertained by music they made themselves or music that was made by their family and friends.  The 1930s to the present-ish may be a brief period of time when a significant number of people could get filthy rich by making and selling recorded music, much as U2 has.  Iím not sure that ever really made sense.  It was an artifact of a publishing business model that is now being disrupted by technology.  The era of dreaming of making it big in an all or nothing way is ending.  On the other hand, there is perhaps more opportunity for a passionate musician to make a small or moderate living off live performances, merchandise, and streaming revenue.  I realize the streaming model is not really doing much for any musicians right now but it may (hopefully) evolve to that point.  Iím in my 50s and I really donít like collecting cluttering objects either.  Its just so much paper and plastic waste.

This entire thread is about album sales of "SONGS OF EXPERIENCE". These albums sold may be DIGITAL or PHYSICAL. The example of the cost of Achtung Baby album in 1991 vs. the inflation adjusted price in 2018 was NOT about the format it was in, but about the band being PAID for the album.

When you file share, burn a CD, or obtain an album for free whatever the method and whatever the format, the band does not get paid for their work. When you stream an album through Spotify, the band might see a tiny fraction of what they would have made if you purchased the album. If your the only person streaming the album though, they will not see one cent from the ten dollars you paid to Spotify.

Finally, for better or worse, streaming has taken over the music industry. The U.S. recording music industry made $8.72 Billion dollars in 2017. Only $3 Billion of that figure came from physical product or digital downloads. The rest was streaming. That's great for Spotify and other companies that provide the service, but bad for most artist who make much less from this system of payment than from physical sales or digital downloads. 65% of the U.S. recorded music industry is now just streaming and that figure is rapidly growing.

Remember that the 1999 figure for what the industry made adjusted into 2017 dollars was over $22 Billion.

Today with streaming services, people on a daily basis pay to play an unlimited amount of songs on any given day when the same for the same price in 1985 would only get them one song played on a juke box. The consumer today is either getting their music for free, or paying a small fraction of what consumers once paid for music. The impact is far less money for the business as a whole, and far less money for artist. Less money for artist mean less people attempt it as a career. With less people and talent going into the industry, the quality naturally declines. Catalog music, meaning music that is older than two years old, makes up more than 50% of digital and physical sales today. 20 years ago it made up less than 20%.

Times are not good for new artist when their new album sells less than half of what Metallica's Black album from 1991 does in any given week. That includes digital sales by the way.
Tours / Re: New E stage
« Last post by JFW on Today at 01:08:05 AM »
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Just curious, is the new E stage bigger than the old one? It seems to me the band is further apart than they used to be
They're just losing weight  ;)
I think there is a chance that 2019 may not see any shows as they record "Songs Of Ascent" and release it at the end of the year. Then, in early 2020, they will kick off the Songs Of Ascent tour in Australia before moving on to the rest of the world. Its possible, not definite. I also think the band may not be so concerned about selling out every show, or doing a 100 date tour for each album. This could mean a faster album release and tour cycle over the next few years.
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No, done. They aren't selling out. They've had 3 "busy" years by their standards. I fully expect a break - then after a few years Bono will say they are back to "punk rock" and release another snoozer of an album. Hopefully that tour will see more rare and classics than new songs like this one. Just my personal prediction.

Far better to hear the new songs than the old ones. It shows that they are an active band as opposed to all the bands that just try to get by on songs from decades ago. Its also consistent with most of U2's 40 year career to this point.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: October: Retrospecitve
« Last post by benpoke on Today at 12:38:55 AM »
Honestly, one of my favourite u2 albums.  I love the looseness and the atmosphere; you're unlikely to come away singing too many of the songs but you feel like you've had an experience.

This was the first studio U2 album I got into, after listen to Under A Blood Red Sky for months.  I still love it now.  Also, as a drummer, I have to say that this album is Larry's best moment.

Favourite tracks:

* Rejoice (turn it up loud and image you're at one of the really early shows - it must have sounded like this)
* I Threw A Brick (incredibly use of dynamics, whether intentional or not.  The bit where it comes crashing back in to the final verse and chorus after the bleak middle 8 is like coming out of a dark tunnel into a crowd of friends)
* Scarlet (The Unforgettable Fire begins right here!)
As an Aussie living in Asia, I sure hope they to an Australasia leg. To have not done I&E and JT30 there is bad enough, so strongly hope they tour there. That will be it for some time then if they do do that. Think they will be suffering from over-exposure to try and do too much more than that. Not sure if South America could also be an option.
I absolutely think they will go to Asia next spring and then be done. They said multiple times last fall they had interest in Japan and Australia. Might even do a Japan DVD.
No, done. They aren't selling out. They've had 3 "busy" years by their standards. I fully expect a break - then after a few years Bono will say they are back to "punk rock" and release another snoozer of an album. Hopefully that tour will see more rare and classics than new songs like this one. Just my personal prediction.
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