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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by laoghaire on September 25, 2018, 12:49:06 PM »
It's all good. I noticed the October ranking too, and was amused.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: 2018 Fan Club Gift
« Last post by Dono on September 25, 2018, 12:30:40 PM »
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I received mine today.  Another vinyl release for a fan without a turntable.  I don't even open them although I'm curious as to what it looks like inside.  Anyone want to post pics of the recent vinyl releases?
They’re not even new releases! Who are these gifts aimed at? Surely not a U2 fan! Why not a decent concert selection or some rare b-sides live?
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by nulla uomo on September 25, 2018, 11:39:25 AM »
I hear you.  I probably reacted too quickly.  It just seems a weird coincidence to me.  But if I'm wrong, I apologize.  I meant no harm.  Though, I do like to hear people's thoughts on U2 albums.  Anyways, I'm not very skilled on message boards and I'm a newbie here.  This is my first message board in probably 10 years.  I usually shy away from social media type things.  But, this forum looked reasonable.  So, here I am.  Don't know for how long though.  Give it a little time I guess.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by laoghaire on September 25, 2018, 11:08:35 AM »
It's possible they just forgot they posted to this thread before. Easy to do on a thread like this one.
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Tours / Re: Pro shot 2018 tour on youtube links?
« Last post by laoghaire on September 25, 2018, 11:03:54 AM »
Crud, sorry, had that one and Joe Buckley's bookmarked and forgot that was audio only.
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Tours / Re: Pro shot 2018 tour on youtube links?
« Last post by Rastou2 on September 25, 2018, 10:32:35 AM »
Thanks for posting this. But it is audio only. Multicam version with HQ quality audio (sirius probably) was up on youtube and all of a sudden it is gone.
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News and Rumors / Re: Bono meets Pope Francis
« Last post by Luzita on September 25, 2018, 10:17:45 AM »
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You can say he’s only criticizing Christians who don’t share his politics only if you consider scripture like Matthew 25 to be a political statement rather than a message from Christ.

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The religious message is that “the least of these” should have their needs met. Jesus is setting the goal. How we accomplish the goal is where politics comes in.

People with liberal politics believe that government should care for the needy and tend to think anyone who doesn’t agree lacks compassion and isn’t listening to Jesus. Therefore, they conclude, conservatives are cold and heartless and bad Christians.

But that isn’t necessarily true. I’ve seen statistics showing that conservatives give more to charity — both in money and in time — than liberals do. I think giving to the poor out of your own pocket requires greater commitment and personal sacrifice than agitating for government to do it.

There are reasons why some people don’t like what they consider “socialism” even though they don’t want anyone to go without. Some are afraid of giving government too much power. Some worry about creating a culture of dependency that is not in the ultimate best interests of the people supposedly being helped.

Now, you can also argue that private charity alone can’t get the job done, and in a democracy government action represents our values as a society.

It is because of such factors that people’s politics may differ even though they agree on basic Christian principles.

I don’t disagree with anything you are saying, in theory.  The problem though, is that in practice, many Christians advocate solving problems of poverty directly instead of through the government.  The “conservative generosity” is largely comprised of tithing to the church.  But if you look at the typical church budget, only a tiny percentage goes to help the poor.  The bulk goes to church facilities.  I don’t consider funds that build a basketball gym or fancy facilities giving back to God.  More like a co-op.

Other funds go to helping people but with evangelical strings attached which hinders its effectiveness as aid and sends mixed signals about who Jesus really was.

So as charitable organizations, most churches are highly inefficient.  Ironically, this is the argument many conservatives make against government programs and the liberal approach.

So everything you say is true, but not the whole story and I believe liberals have some very valid points.  And of course Bono’s message to the church was exactly this...the church should be leading the way in helping with extreme poverty and AIDS, which in many cases, it wasn’t.  If the church was doing its job, the issue about liberal vs conservative approach would be moot.


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I never said that liberals don't have valid points. In fact I included some of those valid points in my post. And you have raised other valid points, such as that the church wasn't always leading the way -- well, on AIDS it wasn't, for the most part, and Bono actually helped change that.

What I was getting at was that the tendency by liberals to denigrate the compassion of conservatives, or to equate Christian teaching with a particular brand of politics, is not valid. For my part, I want my government to help people in need, but I also very much understand why many are leery of that approach. My own family come from a country where the idea that government would take care of redistribution of wealth led to a small ruling class controlling all the wealth and power and everybody else having nothing, neither material wealth nor rights.  And you shouldn't have to have that sort of thing in your own background to understand how often it has happened.

You say that "conservative generosity" consists of tithing to the church. I'm not sure that's accurate, since I believe I've seen stats showing that conservatives give more to secular charity as well as religious charity. But I don't have the data in front of me so I'm not sure.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by nulla uomo on September 25, 2018, 09:46:10 AM »
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Achtung Baby
The Joshua Tree
The Unforgettable Fire
War
Zooropa
Songs of Experience
Pop
All That You Can't Leave Behind
Songs of Innocence
Boy
No Line on the Horizon
How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb
Rattle & Hum
October

LOL!  You posted this list, on this same thread, on June 27th 2018.  Got to rub in the October thing.  Having said that I respect your list and respect other's opinions.  Just think it's funny, that you posted it before and again after a comment about October.

How about this?  If you disagree with my assessment on October, please tell me what you think about the album, which places last on your list.  Passive/Aggressive reposting of your list again doesn't do it justice.  A fair rebuttal does.
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The Band / Re: MacPhisto Worship Thread
« Last post by Canadanne on September 25, 2018, 09:19:38 AM »
I love how these social media video clips are a regular thing now! Something to keep us going in between shows. :)
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The Band / Re: Is the Edge one of the greatest songwriters/musicians of all time?
« Last post by nulla uomo on September 25, 2018, 07:47:10 AM »
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I like his inventiveness with his guitar playing and assorted rigs and his sense for melody. Still, I feel that the band's producers have way too much tamed his input on the studio albums from HTDAAB onwards. After all, raw Edge is better than smooth Edge.

I think you're onto something here that I believe too.  It just seems to me that Edge's guitar work has been pushed into the background from Atomic Bomb to forward.  I just don't see those hooks, arpeggios, and reverb that was always his trademark.  I feel like I've lost Edge.

In 2010, David Fricke of Rolling Stone Magazine put out an article rating the top 100 guitarists of all time.  Fricke is an avowed U2 fan.  Fricke rated Edge as 24 out of 100.  Here's the blurb he wrote:

The Edge
"Rarely has a guitarist achieved so much by playing so little. Most
of what the Edge (real name Dave Evans) played on U2's early
albums, from Boy in 1980 to the '87 global smash The Joshua
Tree, can be described thusly: circular skeletal arpeggios
swimming in oceans of reverb; few conventional chords or solos. But
the elegant urgency of the Edge's minimalism on those records
perfectly framed and fueled the earnest, flag-waving theatricality
of Bono's voice. With U2's swerve into apocalyptic dance music on
1991's Achtung Baby, the Edge coated his riffs in extreme
distortion and electronic treatments but without betraying his
playing credo: Less is most."

I don't know if I totally agree with Fricke.  I've always identified U2 to Edge's unique guitar work and Bono's superb vocals/songwriting.  Sure, there's been minimalism in earlier works but Edge's guitar always shone through.  Fricke wants us to believe Edge's purpose in the band was "less is most" to frame and fuel Bono's voice, so to speak.  I don't subscribe to the "less is most" idea, in fact Edge's guitar work has always to me been strong and dominant.  He creates soundscapes with his amazing skills and "magic" on his guitar. And in that WAY he achieves the role of framing and fueling Bono's voice. Listen to War and how he charges the songs with importance. that if missing, would result in an empty album which War is definitely not. 

And since his guitar work has been so dominant, that is why I see something that's happened in Atomic Bomb, SOI, SOE.  His signature sound has been pushed in the background.  This is the "less" part but it surely isn't "most". 
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