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I'm at the Friday show.  Really looking forward to it.
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The Band / Re: MacPhisto Worship Thread
« Last post by 73October on September 24, 2018, 01:12:16 PM »
I was working on the outer fringes of the UK Labour Party Conference today. 
Strangely enough amongst the pro-EU supporters/protesters outside the main conference venue, there were a couple of people that resembled Bono-sans-Macphisto snapchat-app. 
In that they had a blue top hat (either with a yellow ribbon around it or band of yellow stars around it), some blue clothing and, of course, the EU flag.  There was lots of shouting of "B******s to Brexit" (how very Macphisto)
I still think that Macphisto's sales pitch is much more convincing and more humorous.  He is clearly a natural and divides the audience (all those people writing comments on social media, they can't stand him.  All those laughing at his dark humour, they love him)  But these guys did have a glancing look of Macphisto and also Bono with the EU flag for New Years Day.

Too much of the 'globalist showman' can have its negative effects though.
One guy came out in counter protest and made his own pro-Brexit placard with cardboard and a tin of paint.  Needless to say, he had the Union Jack tied as a cape around his shoulders.
(I wasn't doing Brexit - I was promoting a different event to do with equalities and media).
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News and Rumors / Re: Bono meets Pope Francis
« Last post by ShankAsu on September 24, 2018, 01:08:08 PM »
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Bono is definitely a spiritual leader to me.  Enough said.
I don't deify musicians.

You deify spiritual leaders? That's odd.
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Never said that either, but i don't think many people do- such as the Pope or the Dali Lama.  Just found it odd and off-putting that Bono is considered a spiritual leader on the level of the Pope.
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News and Rumors / Re: Bono meets Pope Francis
« Last post by laoghaire on September 24, 2018, 12:34:11 PM »
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Bono is definitely a spiritual leader to me.  Enough said.
I don't deify musicians.

You deify spiritual leaders? That's odd.
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News and Rumors / Re: Bono meets Pope Francis
« Last post by ShankAsu on September 24, 2018, 12:32:22 PM »
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Bono is definitely a spiritual leader to me.  Enough said.
I don't deify musicians.
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News and Rumors / Re: Bono meets Pope Francis
« Last post by ShankAsu on September 24, 2018, 12:29:53 PM »
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   I think it's great he's finally met Pope Francis--two great spiritual leaders.  This pope has great humility and personal warmth.  My hope is that he will help lead the church into a  brighter future.
Bono is NOT a spiritual leader.  Even for being a Christian, he sure does like to make fun of them a lot.

Being a Christian does not mean you donít criticize yourself or your brothers when you or they are wrong.  Quite the opposite.  And making fun is a good way to stay humble, one of the key traits of authentic Christianity.


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When has Bono ever criticized himself?  And I don't see Bono staying humble when he puts down other Christians- i see the opposite in fact, almost like he thinks he's a better Christian.  I've read many interviews where he puts down the Christians in America seemingly because they don't have the same politics as he does.
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Tours / Re: What songs of innocence and experience will survive the future?
« Last post by ShankAsu on September 24, 2018, 12:26:15 PM »
NExt tour will be an AB tour and after that they will release a career spanning greatest hits and tour behind that and maybe one or two tracks from these last two albums will make the cut- probably YTBTAM and EBW.
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Tours / Re: Pro shot 2018 tour on youtube links?
« Last post by Rastou2 on September 24, 2018, 12:18:54 PM »
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Would anyone know why this show has been taken down from youtube? Watched it few times and the other i was upset it wasn't up on youtube anymore.
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General U2 Discussion / Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by Tortuga on September 24, 2018, 12:02:24 PM »
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People are still pi**ed that they got a free album on their iPhones four years ago.

I don't think U2's reputation could survive ANY SORT of forced album purchase.

And, what, are you going to for a family of four to shell out an extra $48 for four albums they don't want? Even hard core fans will be pi**ed.

Besides, people can already get the album for free with tickets - they just have to click a link and choose a download or CD. And they count toward the album sales. So they are already tapping the concert ticket market to the fullest extent.
Yes, trying to force people to buy an album is really not a good idea.

Of course anyone who buys a ticket has paid for an album, itís figured into the cost. So U2 could conceivably say up front, every ticket buyer gets an album, and send one automatically without waiting for people to request it. But that would be meaningless. If people canít be bothered to order an album theyíve already paid for they must just not want one.

Or maybe some people didnít understand they had to order it, or forgot? I had to remind my friend about ordering her album before the offer expired. I donít know. I think we have to accept that it is what it is.


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I think most people did not notice, or forgot the album option on the latest tour. Automatically getting the album with a ticket purchase would be a better idea. The fan would have the option of digital or physical and if they did not choose then they would just get the digital copy on their U2.com account or through E-mail.

But hey, its just an idea. I don't know of any other way of boosting album purchases at this point with more than 80% of the population no longer purchasing music and just streaming. Anyone got a better idea for boosting album sales, lets hear it.

Quit worrying about album sales and awards.  Music is not a competition and even if it was album sales is no longer a way to keep score.  It is becoming obsolete.  You may as well be a fan of Beethoven in 1800 complaining that heís not selling any recordings.  Youíre worrying about a statistic that isnít even relevant any more, trying to come up with a way to boost a score that no longer has any meaning.

People are less and less interested in owning and ďprogrammingĒ their own music.  They would rather listen to a curated playlist.  You can mourn the fact that things arenít the way they used to be.  Iím sure there were people who mourned that horses became relatively scarce when the car came along.  But most people were just glad there were no longer manure puddles in the street every time it rained.

The truth is you canít even give recorded music away to many (especially younger) people today.  People used to gift my kids itunes cards and they would just sit in a drawer unused.


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Whether its album sales or some other format to determine popularity and earn the band money, its important to U2 and most of their fans enjoy seeing U2 succeed at it. U2 is a music band but its also a businesss. Success in the business is important to the band for many reasons.


Album sales for U2 are relevant because that is how most of their music is listened to. U2's streaming numbers are tiny compared to their album sales numbers both physical and digital.

Please, spare us your crazy comparisons with horses and cars. You really think listening to an album on a physical CD or in a digital format is the equivalent of riding a horse into town as opposed to going in a CAR?! Are you NUTS? CD or digital album = horse while youtube/spotify = a car?  There is virtually no difference in sound quality. The only difference is that in one case the artist gets payed directly and while in the other a service is payed and then the artist might make some money from the service. You enjoy youtube/spotify because its essentially free music or cost very little money. Your philosophy is screw the artist! Who cares if they make any money for their work. It fits with your lazy ass lets sit down at concerts perspective as well.

Finally, I put I lot of time in collecting the information found in this thread. If your not interested in it or don't like it, why the hell do you bother reading and posting in it?

I spend around $500/year on musicians, most of which goes directly into their pockets, not siphoned off to a major label.  I think I do my fair share as a patron of the arts.  I post because Iím very interested in the evolution of the business model for the performing arts.  You and I just disagree on whether its good or bad for most artists.

In thinking the car/buggy analogy is wrong you are making the same mistake the industry initially made.  They thought the point of Napster was theft.  There is a huge advantage to streaming over digital downloads or CDs.  Its called convenience.  You donít understand that because its not relevant to you.  Streaming is continuing to grow and eventually enough people will be paying the monthly fee that the services and artists will both make money.  Or it wonít grow and in that case it will die.  The jury is still out.

Again, most people never bought more than one CD per month.  The same revenue into the system as streaming.  Its not that high of a hurdle.

Most young people pay for it.  Its the older people who think its the enemy that are undermining its success.
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Tours / Re: What songs of innocence and experience will survive the future?
« Last post by dwaltman on September 24, 2018, 11:52:16 AM »
My first thought would be Love is Bigger.  That's the message, the anthem of this record.   I prefer it to hearing One on the next tour again.  From SOI, probably Every Breaking Wave...it's probably the most well known song from the record and 13(There is a Light) has been played on this tour so I doubt Song for Someone would stick around for another tour.

It's going to be a few years...it'll be interesting to see where the band goes from here.
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