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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on September 24, 2018, 10:14:16 AM »
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People are still pi**ed that they got a free album on their iPhones four years ago.

I don't think U2's reputation could survive ANY SORT of forced album purchase.

And, what, are you going to for a family of four to shell out an extra $48 for four albums they don't want? Even hard core fans will be pi**ed.

Besides, people can already get the album for free with tickets - they just have to click a link and choose a download or CD. And they count toward the album sales. So they are already tapping the concert ticket market to the fullest extent.
Yes, trying to force people to buy an album is really not a good idea.

Of course anyone who buys a ticket has paid for an album, itís figured into the cost. So U2 could conceivably say up front, every ticket buyer gets an album, and send one automatically without waiting for people to request it. But that would be meaningless. If people canít be bothered to order an album theyíve already paid for they must just not want one.

Or maybe some people didnít understand they had to order it, or forgot? I had to remind my friend about ordering her album before the offer expired. I donít know. I think we have to accept that it is what it is.

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I think most people did not notice, or forgot the album option on the latest tour. Automatically getting the album with a ticket purchase would be a better idea. The fan would have the option of digital or physical and if they did not choose then they would just get the digital copy on their account or through E-mail.

But hey, its just an idea. I don't know of any other way of boosting album purchases at this point with more than 80% of the population no longer purchasing music and just streaming. Anyone got a better idea for boosting album sales, lets hear it.

Quit worrying about album sales and awards.  Music is not a competition and even if it was album sales is no longer a way to keep score.  It is becoming obsolete.  You may as well be a fan of Beethoven in 1800 complaining that heís not selling any recordings.  Youíre worrying about a statistic that isnít even relevant any more, trying to come up with a way to boost a score that no longer has any meaning.

People are less and less interested in owning and ďprogrammingĒ their own music.  They would rather listen to a curated playlist.  You can mourn the fact that things arenít the way they used to be.  Iím sure there were people who mourned that horses became relatively scarce when the car came along.  But most people were just glad there were no longer manure puddles in the street every time it rained.

The truth is you canít even give recorded music away to many (especially younger) people today.  People used to gift my kids itunes cards and they would just sit in a drawer unused.

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Whether its album sales or some other format to determine popularity and earn the band money, its important to U2 and most of their fans enjoy seeing U2 succeed at it. U2 is a music band but its also a businesss. Success in the business is important to the band for many reasons.

Album sales for U2 are relevant because that is how most of their music is listened to. U2's streaming numbers are tiny compared to their album sales numbers both physical and digital.

Please, spare us your crazy comparisons with horses and cars. You really think listening to an album on a physical CD or in a digital format is the equivalent of riding a horse into town as opposed to going in a CAR?! Are you NUTS? CD or digital album = horse while youtube/spotify = a car?  There is virtually no difference in sound quality. The only difference is that in one case the artist gets payed directly and while in the other a service is payed and then the artist might make some money from the service. You enjoy youtube/spotify because its essentially free music or cost very little money. Your philosophy is screw the artist! Who cares if they make any money for their work. It fits with your lazy ass lets sit down at concerts perspective as well.

Finally, I put I lot of time in collecting the information found in this thread. If your not interested in it or don't like it, why the hell do you bother reading and posting in it?
General Music Discussion / Re: Delicious Grace
« Last post by alcapone_dudu on September 24, 2018, 09:11:15 AM »
Hi guys. It's been a while. This is a song I wrote called ''The Boy from Memphis''. It's still in demo status but I really wanted to share it with Elvis' fans (I guess we've got a few around here).

A humble homage to one of the greatest singers of all time. Hope you enjoy:

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Delicious Grace - The Boy From Memphis
General U2 Discussion / Re: Greatest Edge moments from each album
« Last post by JFW on September 24, 2018, 08:35:47 AM »
Oe, nice! Before I read anything else, here is my opinion:

- An Cath Dubh/Into the heart. Every tone has emotion. It brings me to another place. Also, in a verse, he isn't repeating the riff 100%, but it's a bit changeing. Nice details. Out Of Control was in the race.

- Gloria. Nice riff, a bit similair to I Will Follow unfortunate. Also the refrain is a bit easy with the harmonics. I don't consider October as a good guitar-album. The piano and the bagpipe is really nice, tho. (Best Edge moment would be piano on I Fall Down)

- Two Hearts, I think. Not so sure about this one..

The Unforgettable Fire:
- Wire I guess.. I consider the best Edge-moments as songs which hasn't been heavily on production.

The Joshua Tree:
- With Or Without You. Pretty creative and a single. From the start it differs with bass with emotion. But changes in mood pretty great in the 'and you give yourself away'-part

Rattle and Hum:
- God Part II, or maybe All I Want Is You, but it's a bit easy.

Achtung Baby:
- Until The End Of The World. Doubting on this and on Acrobat. But I think UTEOTW left a better mark. Good mention is Even Better. Nice party song with a guitar in the lead.

- Lemon. It's just something else

- not so sure, sorry. I like the simplistic solo before 'zooming in, zooming out' in your blue room..

- If You Wear That Velvet Dress. That solo is just haunting. Nice use of delays! It fills my mind.

All That You Can't Leave Behind:
- Kite, mah. It has the same chords over and over again. Solo is pretty great. But I'm not sure the album version has it  :-X. Otherwise In A Little While.

How To Dismantle:
- I love work on Miracle Drug and All Because Of You

No Line On The Horizon:
- Moment Of Surrender. That chordprogression on the end is great. Again, not sure the album version has it.

- Iris. In the same way as WOWY. Intersting..

- Ai, this is hard. I'm not sure I like the things on the album that much. So I'm going to include the only b-side in this list. Book Of Your Heart. One of my favorites of the century, by the way.

Tours / Re: What songs of innocence and experience will survive the future?
« Last post by Sonofabono on September 24, 2018, 08:30:15 AM »
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You all are more optimistic than I am.

I agree - RBW is one of the strongest songs on SOI and it got dropped early on in THIS tour. We don't see any songs from NLOTH. We see BD and Elevation from ATYCLB only because they were hits. Even Stuck in a moment has fallen to the "rare appearances" category. It's sad, but unless they start going for 3 hour shows, SOI+E are gonna get crowded out by the 10 songs that always get played - UTEOTW, One, WOWY, BD, Pride, Streets, etc - along with all the other album tracks that have fallen out of rotation.

Related: people who have complained about the rigidity of this tour's setlist have had others answer them back, "This show is meant to be more of a story than a concert." To which I would say, I don't think that's new for this tour. U2 isn't Bruce Springsteen or Dave Matthews Band- apart from the first few shows when they're still getting stuff figured out and the rotation spots hidden in the set, they've pretty much always played the same songs in the same order. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. The times where it has been more variable - 360 tour comes to mind - have been when they struggled for a WHILE to come up with a coherent concept/setlist for the tour. Because of that, because that's who U2 is, we're probably not going to see SOI+E come back after this tour.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by nulla uomo on September 24, 2018, 08:12:13 AM »
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Nulla, cool that you rank "October" near the top of the pack. Me, too.  I also rank "No Line" in my top three.

Ah, October.  Definitely a rare gem in U2's catalogue. 

It's to me a spiritual album.  Sure, organized religion played a role with the majority of the band being Christians.  But it transcends that even with the awesome "Gloria" and its latin chorus.  Think "Rejoice" - "I can't change the world, but I can change the world in me, Rejoice".  A declaration of spirituality and recognizing that one has a place in the world.  That's what it's all about, life is there for one to understand and there is a spiritual grace to guide you through.  Even the atmospheric "I Fall Down" represents the spirit, realizing one is human and will "fall down" - "I want to get up, when I wake up, but when I get up, I fall down".  The promise hidden in the lyrics that even though we are all human and will fall down, we still have the spiritual strength to stand up and face life.  And the stunning starkness of the title track "October" with Edge on piano and Bono singing about the spiritual strength we all possess to keep going - "October and Kingdoms rise, and Kingdoms fall, but you go on, and on".

It's a glorious album and one I recommend to new listeners to U2's magic.  For a second album, where many bands fail, U2 rose above all and produced a stunner with October.
General U2 Discussion / Re: Ticketmaster Scalping Us
« Last post by Gavin82 on September 24, 2018, 06:05:51 AM »
Ive actually had some good deals from Viagogo brought & sold on there in 2015 got £180 U2 tixs for £135 im not against these sites i just think they should be capped BUT people are paying £700+ for U2 shows same as Ed Sheeran The Stones & when The Boss was on tour when ACDC with BJ did Vegas i seen 2 tixs sell for £20,000 people are willing too pay these prices tho
Tours / Re: What songs of innocence and experience will survive the future?
« Last post by JFW on September 24, 2018, 02:15:14 AM »
In SOI it's almost all story telling, which are in theme with I+E and E+I. So Iris, Cedarwood, RBW will fall off. The only song which are able to return are EBW and SFS. EBW is too much for Bono in the future, I guess. They even don't play it on this tour while it's their best live song in the last years. SFS could be too boring and be replaced by another (new) songs. There are songs on Bomb and ATYCLB which I thought would stay. I think SOI and SOE are just like No Line and nothing will be played in future tours (unless they're using the concept with Songs of Ascent. But I don't expect that).

I really don't think SOE has keepers. But I have to see the show for myself in two weeks  :)
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Create Your Ultimate U2 Double Album!
« Last post by ToRontoRon on September 23, 2018, 09:36:53 PM »
Tough to do.  Especially since, based on the rules, I have a couple of songs that connect directly into other songs, (Disc 1 Boy song, and Disc 2 SOE song), so if I were to put it together, it would be a rough transition.  Also, my Disc 1 is a little ballad heavy, but hey, those are my favourite songs.  Anyways, here's my double album.

Disc 1:
1.  Beautiful Day
2.  Gloria
3.  I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
4.  Every Breaking Wave
5.  Stay (Faraway, So Close!)
6.  I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight
7.  Into The Heart
8.  Bad
9.  Original Of The Species
10.  Ultraviolet (Light My Way)
11.  Love Is Bigger Than Anything In It's Way
12.  Gone
13.  All I Want Is You
14.  40

Disc 2:
1.  Zooropa
2.  Sunday Bloody Sunday
3.  With Or Without You
4.  Moment Of Surrender
5.  Last Night On Earth
6.  The Fly
7.  City Of Blinding Lights
8.  Song For Someone
9.  The Unforgettable Fire
10.  Get Out Of Your Own Way
11.  I Will Follow
12.  I Fall Down
13.  Heartland
14.  Walk On
General Music Discussion / Re: Are Coldplay more proficient songwriters than U2?
« Last post by Clarky on September 23, 2018, 08:06:06 PM »
I had such high hopes for Coldplay, and while I would still put them up there as one of my favourite bands, unfortunately they seem to have slipped off into the world of pop music, radio friendly tunes, colabs and feel good jingly songs that are a bit one and done.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Rank U2's albums
« Last post by Clarky on September 23, 2018, 07:59:22 PM »
Well yes my preference towards certain albums can change based on certain factors too, but on average and over the course of many years (aside from the most recent albums) you can be somewhat confident in placing them in a fairly accurate list, established by your personal history with each of them.

Even though I might find myself enjoying All That You Can't Leave Behind one summer, I'm not suddenly going to be placing it on an album rankings list above Joshua Tree or War. I am able to see the forest through the trees, so to speak.
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