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Tours / Re: Where to stand for GA tix - Nashville
« Last post by drosser on May 21, 2018, 07:09:20 PM »
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on May 21, 2018, 06:49:46 PM »
Ok, here were the top 25 albums in 2017 with streaming and individual track downloads added to the albums sales for equivalent sales numbers. This is a December 1 2016 to December 1 2017 chart period, slight different, but basically the same.

01 - 2,466,000 - DAMN. - Kendrick Lamar
02 - 2,138,000 - 24K MAGIC - Bruno Mars
03 - 2,114,000 - STARBOY - The Weeknd
04 - 2,086,000 - ų - Ed Sheeran
05 - 2,011,000 - MORE LIFE - Drake
06 - 1,596,000 - MOANA - Soundtrack
07 - 1,407,000 - STONEY - Post Malone
08 - 1,237,000 - CULTURE - Migos
09 - 1,211,000 - HAMILTON: AN AMERICAN MUSICAL - Original Cast
10 - 1,211,000 - 4 YOUR EYEZ ONLY - J Cole
11 - 1,184,000 - TROLLS - Soundtrack
12 - 1,172,000 - HARDWIRED...TO SELF-DESTRUCT - Metallica
13 - 1,047,000 - VIEWS - Drake
14 - 981,000 - AMERICAN TEEN - Khalid
15 - 977,000 - FUTURE - Future
16 - 933,000 - A PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS - Pentatonix
17 - 845,000 - BLURRYFACE - Twenty One Pilots
18 - 808,000 - BIRDS IN THE TRAP SING MCKNIGHT - Travis Scott
19 - 789,000 - TRAVELLER - Chris Stapleton
20 - 775,000 - I DECIDED - Big Sean
21 - 767,000 - MEMORIES...DO NOT OPEN - Chainsmokers
22 - 762,000 - ILLUMINATE - Shawn Mendes
23 - 746,000 - ANTI - Rihanna
24 - 737,000 - EVOLVE - Imagine Dragons
25 - 719,000 - EVERYBODY - Logic


So with streaming figures and individual digital track downloads added in, you get 13 albums passing the 1 million mark. More than the two when just counting album sales both physical and digital, but still pretty low compared to 2001 when there were 100 albums they sold 1 million plus.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by wons on May 21, 2018, 06:37:02 PM »
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Number of artist selling 1 million copies or more of an album(all formats), in the U.S., in 2001: 100
Number of artist selling 1 million copies or more of an album(all formats), in the U.S., in 2017: 2

Thanks for sharing all this data, wons. Just to be clear, does the 2017 number include streaming equivalent album sales?  Because, as I understand it, 1500 streams = 1 album sales.

No its just album sales in all formats, physical and digital. No streaming at all.

The problem with streaming, having a system of 1,500 streams = 1 album, is often those streams are only 1 or 2 songs from the album. Same with individual digital track downloads. Probably only 1 or 2 songs from the album. In both cases what is essentially representative of just interest in one or two songs, single performance is being added to album performance when none of these people have even listened to the album.

U2's Songs Of Experience is at 300,001 copies sold in the U.S. right now. Their streaming and individual track downloads would only add about 20,000 to that total.

I get what you're saying -- buying or streaming just a few songs isn't really the same as buying an album even if it now counts the same on the charts. However, since we were talking about artist compensation, I was wondering how album sales compare to 2001 if you count them the new way. Still less, I'm sure, but I'm curious about how much less.

Although music industry revenue is considerably lower than at it's peak, it has been heading up again over the last few years and it's thanks to paid streaming services, as noted in this article:

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This other article contains a nice bar chart showing revenue from the different formats over the years:

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There is one big problem with those charts for revenue. They are not adjusted for inflation!

So lets take a look at the numbers again adjusting for inflation:

1999 - $20.5 Billion - after adjusting for inflation into 2014 dollars
2014 - $6.7 Billion

Thats just the industry as a whole. The drop for the top 100 selling albums each year has much greater than that. The million selling album or half million selling album has been nearly wiped out. That used to be the bench mark for making in the industry. The more popular artist were doing multi-platinum business.

Even worse in a way is looking at 2017 when just looking at physical + all digital downloads.

1999 - $22 Billion - adjusting for inflation into 2017 dollars
2017 - $3 Billion - physical + all digital downloads - adding streaming to the number gets it up to $8.72 Billion

Way behind either way, plus it does not tell you what its like for individual artist especially no bands.

Another thing that's not factor in is the size of the U.S. economy and population in 1999 vs. 2017. Its a larger economy with more people buying stuff which means even a business that was holding steady per capita in sales would be selling more than they did in 1999. That makes the drop even worse.


I might be able to find some annual numbers for albums that would include streaming and digital downloads in the total sales for 2017.
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Tours / Re: Where to stand for GA tix - Nashville
« Last post by JTNash on May 21, 2018, 06:19:53 PM »
So I donít need a rail spot and I just got an email saying we can line up on Thursday can I just go in at 6.30 on the day of.  I donít want to even be in the line?
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I've noticed several New Wave(ish) bands that I LOVE mentioned in this thread.

I was born in 1976, so discovered them after the fact, but I have loved bands like Duran Duran, INXS, Psychedelic Furs, The Cure, The Church, The Smiths and Tears For Fears for two decades now. But I got into U2 and REM first.

The Furs might be the most underrated band of the last 40 years. People in America only know Pretty In Pink and Heartbreak Beat, and those are great songs, but there's SO MUCH MORE there.

That is a good group of bands.  I preferred The Furs, The Cure, and The Smiths out of that group along with U2 and REM.  Throw in Depeche Mode and Talking Heads for fun.
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General U2 Discussion / Re: Songs Of Experience sales in the United States
« Last post by Luzita on May 21, 2018, 05:44:17 PM »
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Number of artist selling 1 million copies or more of an album(all formats), in the U.S., in 2001: 100
Number of artist selling 1 million copies or more of an album(all formats), in the U.S., in 2017: 2

Thanks for sharing all this data, wons. Just to be clear, does the 2017 number include streaming equivalent album sales?  Because, as I understand it, 1500 streams = 1 album sales.

No its just album sales in all formats, physical and digital. No streaming at all.

The problem with streaming, having a system of 1,500 streams = 1 album, is often those streams are only 1 or 2 songs from the album. Same with individual digital track downloads. Probably only 1 or 2 songs from the album. In both cases what is essentially representative of just interest in one or two songs, single performance is being added to album performance when none of these people have even listened to the album.

U2's Songs Of Experience is at 300,001 copies sold in the U.S. right now. Their streaming and individual track downloads would only add about 20,000 to that total.

I get what you're saying -- buying or streaming just a few songs isn't really the same as buying an album even if it now counts the same on the charts. However, since we were talking about artist compensation, I was wondering how album sales compare to 2001 if you count them the new way. Still less, I'm sure, but I'm curious about how much less.

Although music industry revenue is considerably lower than at it's peak, it has been heading up again over the last few years and it's thanks to paid streaming services, as noted in this article:

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This other article contains a nice bar chart showing revenue from the different formats over the years:

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Tours / Re: **SPOILERS** LA 2 U2eiTour show thread
« Last post by desertrat on May 21, 2018, 05:04:37 PM »
@Drumheller @GoldenStateGirl
Totally agree and night 2 sure felt like a better, more energetic crowd from where I was on the floor. First time to the Forum and other than the horrible traffic it was an excellent experience. The staff was amazing and just on it all night long for both nights. Had to do a few elbow blocks near the B stage (been here since 3pm, they are just starting at 9, yain't getting by us) but otherwise a good crowd all around us.
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Tours / Re: Blackout live
« Last post by laoghaire on May 21, 2018, 04:57:00 PM »
I've watched the performance but have vision and hearing impairments. Just curious:

1) Are the silhouettes a recorded video performance or is it based on live action?

2) What is the nature of the crowd reactions and specifically when (during) do they occur?
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Tours / Re: Where to stand for GA tix - Nashville
« Last post by scrittoresabino on May 21, 2018, 04:51:57 PM »
Good assessment above^

I was similar in Vegas 1 & 2. Maybe 4 of 5 back from rail at catwalk, between mainstage and B stage, but closer to B Stage. Can see the screen and both stages from there. My neck got a little cramped from being that close and looking up, so if the screen is extremely important go further back from the catwalk. It does get tighter the closer you are anywhere on the rail, but since there is so much rail, there is a good amount of space. Much more space than JT or any band (big or small) where you aren't even as close to the stage as you will be on e+i
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Tours / Re: Red Zone Tips?
« Last post by desertrat on May 21, 2018, 04:46:29 PM »
RZ for this tour is setup where there are GA people between you and the screen/walkway. So probably try to get up close to the main stage where that isn't the case, RZ is right up against it. Or be on the rail so at most there are maybe 15 people deep in front of you. Get there early so you have a little time to decide on your spot. But mostly, have fun! It's a great show.
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