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General Music Discussion / Re: the 5 songs rocking your world right now
« Last post by shineinthesummernight on January 07, 2019, 09:19:31 AM »
"New Gold Dream" Simple Minds
"This Fear of Gods" Simple Minds
"Moment of Surrender" U2
"Carry On" Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
"Paradise City" Guns n Roses
General U2 Discussion / Re: What kind of music will U2 make going forward?
« Last post by World71R on January 06, 2019, 09:32:27 PM »
No matter what the band does, I'd like to see them stick with one set production team of 1-3 producers, from start to finish, and not having reworkings or tweaks made after they have an album ready.

We've seen this happen with each of the past three albums where the band has worked with Eno & Lanois on NLOTH, Danger Mouse on SOI, and Thomas/Barlow/Tedder on SOE, but then gone and worked with others to re-work the songs with Lillywhite (NLOTH, SOE) and a plethora of other producers to make things perfect. They need to work with who they have and once they get to what they feel is a finished product, they need to leave it alone and release it. Each of the last three albums just feel too hamfisted at times, especially SOE with around 10 different producers each having a hand in the work, and it distorts the overall sound and messages they're trying to go for. Their best, and most interesting, albums were done with a set group, pretty much from start to finish, to where the sound and messages were thought-out and realized to the very end. I believe the pre-release comments that say the stuff sounds like Achtung Baby or Zooropa or the band being as fully-focused as they were with ATYCLB, but all of the tinkering just kills it.

Effectively, they need a producer who can tell them no or that it's just fine and for the band to be more confident in what they have. Although there's works in the past decade that are great despite the tinkering, they didn't make great music for 25 years by tinkering every last little bit of what they have. Experimenting, yes, but not perfecting things to a point where it all gets distorted and wrong. That's their biggest flaw over the last decade and what they need to avoid with the next release.
General U2 Discussion / Re: What kind of music will U2 make going forward?
« Last post by World71R on January 06, 2019, 09:03:31 PM »
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Yes, it is true that all their albums can be labeled "rock music", and that is what I want from them, but the same band that made "Mysterious Ways" and MOFO also made "Your The Best Thing About Me".  I think "Your The Best Thing About Me" more than anything makes SOE feel like a "pop rock" album.  I guess you could also include "Love Is All We Have Left" and "Get Out Of Your Own Way" and "Landlady".  I don't mind "Get Out Of Your Own Way", but the other two should have been left off the album. (I'm not a fan of "The Showman" either.)  Even though I like SOE, I think it would have gotten a lot more respect if you replace those songs with a couple good rock songs.  Then you might have a Grammy nominated rock album. 

Anyway, I sure hope they get away from the SOI/SOE formula on the next album.  They need to find a way to find some way to change things up and be more creative.  I realize they are not going to make AB, Zooropa, or Pop again, but hopefully they have a similar creative mindset when they enter the studio for the next album.

I agree with you on this, except for the point about Landlady and Love is All We Have Left. I think they both have rightful places. Landlady is the perfect song after the huge musical and emotional climax of The Little Things..., while LIAWHL is a nice opening hymn that creates a beautiful atmosphere to set the tone for the album. I can see an idea like having it build to a Streets-like climax or doing like what Coldplay did with Midnight where it starts slow, has a fantastic, all-encapsulating electronic climax and then descends back to where it started but leaves an amazing aura behind it. LIAWHL could've definitely done that, but I think it works, especially with 13, a similar song, book-ending the album.

I think The Blackout is a bit out of place and should come earlier in the album. Landlady into The Blackout feels abrupt, whereas Landlady into Love is Bigger... makes more sense with the rising intro of Love is Bigger...
General Music Discussion / Re: the 5 songs rocking your world right now
« Last post by World71R on January 06, 2019, 08:46:03 PM »
"Rise" - Doves
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"Penny Lane" - The Beatles
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"Billie Jean" - Michael Jackson
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"Holy Joe" - U2
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"Up All Night" - The War on Drugs (it hit me just today how much of a bonafide tune this is :D )
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General U2 Discussion / Re: What kind of music will U2 make going forward?
« Last post by MadRob360 on January 06, 2019, 03:37:59 PM »
latest video on subscribers is Bono in the car saying he wants to make a good Rock album. Obviously taken with a huge pinch of salt but....
General Music Discussion / Re: the 5 songs rocking your world right now
« Last post by may2 on January 06, 2019, 02:58:24 PM »
Any 5 songs by Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Your face like (melting) snow
« Last post by shineinthesummernight on January 05, 2019, 03:22:46 PM »
Reminds me a bit of "The Scream", the Munch painting whose elongated face symbolizes the anxiety and disconnect of modern man.
I'm thinking along the lines of NLOTH and Unforgettable Fire.
The Music and Lyrics / Re: Your face like (melting) snow
« Last post by ToRontoRon on January 05, 2019, 01:26:58 PM »
Another great topic, laoghaire.  I'm going to take these one by one:


"What happened to your face of melting snow?"

To me the singer equates snow with whiteness, or purity.  If it would just be regular snow, it would indicate purity, but coldness and distance from humanity alongside it.  However, the fact that it's melting snow indicates purity, but along with it a warmth and humanity underneath the face.  The fact that her face is no longer like melting snow indicates that she has become cold and distant.

The next line of "Now it looks like this", indicates that the singer feels as though this purity, which once existed on his loved one's face when they first met, has now changed dramatically as she has become more and more jaded with what is happening in the world, and as she struggles to keep her faith in God.  Her empathy and caring nature has been replaced by stoicism and doubt.

Moment Of Surrender

"When I first met you, your face was like snow."

Same basic idea as Acrobat.  Started out pure, but that purity has been taken away.  In this case, due to drug addiction.


"I don't dream, not as such.  I don't even think about you that much, unless, I stop to think at all, of those frozen days, and your frozen ways.  They melt away, your face like snow."

To me this one is a little different.  This song is kind of a conversation between a young Bono starting out in the band, and his skeptical father.  His father would tell him he was only dreaming if he thought he could make a career of being a rock star, but Bono didn't see it as a dream as such, since he thought it would be reality.  He's telling his father he doesn't think about him that much, unless he stops to think of the death of Iris during those difficult, (frozen, if you will), times, and the cold, distant way Bob Hewson would deal with his emotions. Bob would ordinarily be the type of person who's facade to their emotions would be like a rock, namely unemotional and stoic.  However, Iris's death would turn that facade from solid as a rock to as permeable as snow.  And despite Bob's best efforts, after Iris's death, Bono was able to see Bob's emotions coming out.  That's what 16 or so year old Bono would think of his father, when he would think of him.  That rare time during those frozen days, when Bob's ordinarily frozen ways would melt away like snow, and it could be seen on his face.

So, to me, in the first and second songs mentioned, the snow has to do with the idea of purity, and in the first and third songs mentioned, the melting snow face is linked with being more emotional.
General U2 Discussion / Re: What kind of music will U2 make going forward?
« Last post by Sunchild on January 05, 2019, 12:58:41 PM »
I have a feeling they will move towards a more acoustic yet ambient direction, a bit more quiet and introspective, although more complex and unpredictable in terms of rhythm changes and structure as SOE has indicated, maybe closer to the style of Songs Of Love And Hate from Cohen, and further away from the pretentious 90's era music they used to make, which would not at all resonate with todays generation anymore, with each new album they're making more open and direct music now that shows its true face, like most bands today, especially independent, as if almost in direct contrast to the 90's and 80's when it was more fashionable and commercial to sell it through masks of irony, the openness and sincerity is the direction that don't seem to change, and only increases as we're moving back to the time before the artistic authenticity got hijacked by authoritarian musical industries in the middle of the last century. People's tastes seem to seek less of a circus but intimacy, authenticity and openness now.

I think there might be a time for trying that kind of slower album after so many loud guitar heavy albums, that demanded so much energy, especially on Bono's voice, something more quiet might be a refreshing and needed change for the time being. Their folk roots is the true core their music stands on, and as they've been going deeper and deeper into the essence of who they are, by going back to the past, the re-discovery of their folky side might spark up new inspirations.
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