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What song will open the next leg of the tour?

Magnificent
22 (28.9%)
Get on Your Boots
29 (38.2%)
Fez-Being Born
13 (17.1%)
No Line on the Horizon
5 (6.6%)
Stand Up Comedy
5 (6.6%)
I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Go Crazy Tonight
2 (2.6%)

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 01:11:58 PM »
I think that they should NOT change it for Oakland's opener! The concert is on June 16th and I think it would be completely awesome for the concert to start with the first lyrics: "16th of June"  :D

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 05:16:46 PM »
No line on the horizon or magnificent. It wont be an old song, no chance.

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2010, 05:40:27 PM »
Okay so the lights go out, and then some ambient deep sounding music starts playing for about 2 minutes in the dark, and then 1:30 seconds in it begins to fade, until the spotlights focus on Bono who is sitting in front of a piano. He starts out alone on a keyboard, singing the first verse of Crazy Tonight while playing chords like the blackberry version. The lights will only be focused on him. Then once he starts singing the chorus the band sneaks in, and then launch into a mini solo before the 2nd verse and continue the song like the album version. And instead of the slow ending, make it more upbeat that leads into Boots.

This will never happen  ::)

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2010, 07:19:52 PM »
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I'd drop dead on the spot!

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2010, 12:14:57 AM »
I liked Breathe live, but never felt it had enough power moment and energy to REALLY KICKSTART the show.  The show with Breathe as the opener only had good energy but not GREAT!  The verse is too slow, even the chorus is slow for an opener.  The opener should either have high energy, or a huge build, or high drama an mystery.  Breathe neither has the raw power and energy, nor the mystery and atmosphere to truly open a concert... It is a middle-grounder.

I just kept thinking... "I bet the energy would carry further and higher if they just leave the setlist as it, but move Breathe back"

I think an extended intro for Magnificent could easily work.  Also, Boots would work as it his the speed and energy as well as visuals for an opener.


BUT I think FEZ-Being Born could actually work best, if done right:  It serves as its own pre-intro.  Where recent tours had the Elevation remix, Arcade Fire's Wake Uo, and Kingdom, the Fez part of the song already serves as an intro.  They could really play up and extend the "Let Me In The Sound" part, as a tease of Boots.  This part is already playing, the band takes the stage unseen in the dark.  Visuals pop up on the screen as distraction during the extended Let Me in The Sound" part, while no lights are on the stage.  While this happens the band has already taken their places coming from under the stage, Bono waisl the first scream of the Being Born part.  The whole song is sung in the dark.  It is a tease, and creates a hypnotic buildup, and lends a sens of mystery and suspence, as only people close to the stage can see the band.  Maybe even have them behind some sort of curtain or screens.  The whole song should be sung with the stage dark and visuals up above.  They should extend and ramp up the speed and volume of the end.  Then crash into Boots, and lights hit the stage.  The would make Boots even more energetic, much int he way the Elevation remix was a slight tease,  But it would also have the long enxtended buildup and mystery reminiscent of ZooTV

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2010, 12:21:11 AM »
I think Fez would logistically work as an opener, but I think U2 would be very hesitant to use a song that is only known by us big U2 fans as an opener.  Breathe wasnt a single but it was performed at many premotional appearances so we already were familiar with it.  Fez would be great to see but I think U2 will play it somewhat safe and choose Magnificent.  It has the energy and the buildup.  But what do I know, I thought Breathe was absolutely brilliant as an opener

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2010, 12:39:58 AM »
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I'd drop dead on the spot!

As would I ! Holy jesus I cant even imagine :D

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2010, 10:23:31 PM »
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I think Fez would logistically work as an opener, but I think U2 would be very hesitant to use a song that is only known by us big U2 fans as an opener.  Breathe wasnt a single but it was performed at many premotional appearances so we already were familiar with it.  Fez would be great to see but I think U2 will play it somewhat safe and choose Magnificent.  It has the energy and the buildup.  But what do I know, I thought Breathe was absolutely brilliant as an opener

Ah but see, If they did it like I suggested - playFezBeing Born (as a band, not a recording)  in the complete dark with only the screen flickering hazy images - this would act and come off like an intro song (like Kingdom, Wake Up by Arcade Fire, and Sgt Pepper).  The lights would not come up and the band not be seen until the second song Boots or Magnificent.

This as mystery and intrigue, while giving hardcore fans what they want, while still catering to casual fans, as they would just think its a long intro and when the lights go on for the second song Boots everyone would erupt.  Yet everyone would still be in a frenxy of anticipation because the houselights went down, we are waiting for the band to come out, images go up on the screen and, to those of use in the know, The band is already on the stage playing, but not seeing them adds to the build up.  The 2nd song serves as the energetic explosive "true" opener

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2010, 10:25:23 PM »
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I think Fez would logistically work as an opener, but I think U2 would be very hesitant to use a song that is only known by us big U2 fans as an opener.  Breathe wasnt a single but it was performed at many premotional appearances so we already were familiar with it.  Fez would be great to see but I think U2 will play it somewhat safe and choose Magnificent.  It has the energy and the buildup.  But what do I know, I thought Breathe was absolutely brilliant as an opener

Ah but see, If they did it like I suggested - playFezBeing Born (as a band, not a recording)  in the complete dark with only the screen flickering hazy images - this would act and come off like an intro song (like Kingdom, Wake Up by Arcade Fire, and Sgt Pepper).  The lights would not come up and the band not be seen until the second song Boots or Magnificent.

This as mystery and intrigue, while giving hardcore fans what they want, while still catering to casual fans, as they would just think its a long intro and when the lights go on for the second song Boots everyone would erupt.  Yet everyone would still be in a frenxy of anticipation because the houselights went down, we are waiting for the band to come out, images go up on the screen and, to those of use in the know, The band is already on the stage playing, but not seeing them adds to the build up.  The 2nd song serves as the energetic explosive "true" opener

I kinda wanna see the band playing the opener though

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2010, 10:41:37 PM »
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I think Fez would logistically work as an opener, but I think U2 would be very hesitant to use a song that is only known by us big U2 fans as an opener.  Breathe wasnt a single but it was performed at many premotional appearances so we already were familiar with it.  Fez would be great to see but I think U2 will play it somewhat safe and choose Magnificent.  It has the energy and the buildup.  But what do I know, I thought Breathe was absolutely brilliant as an opener

Ah but see, If they did it like I suggested - playFezBeing Born (as a band, not a recording)  in the complete dark with only the screen flickering hazy images - this would act and come off like an intro song (like Kingdom, Wake Up by Arcade Fire, and Sgt Pepper).  The lights would not come up and the band not be seen until the second song Boots or Magnificent.

This as mystery and intrigue, while giving hardcore fans what they want, while still catering to casual fans, as they would just think its a long intro and when the lights go on for the second song Boots everyone would erupt.  Yet everyone would still be in a frenxy of anticipation because the houselights went down, we are waiting for the band to come out, images go up on the screen and, to those of use in the know, The band is already on the stage playing, but not seeing them adds to the build up.  The 2nd song serves as the energetic explosive "true" opener

I kinda wanna see the band playing the opener though

its a tradeoff: the buildup mystery and anticipation that this would mount from doing this would more than out-way seeing the band for just 1 song. You'll see them in 23 other songs.

Yeah Yeah Yeahs did something similar in their opening song this last tour however it was for half the song, and you could see all the band except Karen O.  But the anticipation built by not knowing where she was she started singing was awesome.  To some extent Muse did this.  They played behind scrims for half the first song.

But I feel doing the whole song would be more effective, especially for a band as HUGE as U2.  I can see maybe hints of the band showing up on the screen toward the end of the song, just to tease the audience further.  It would also be a doubletease, because FezBeing Born already has a tease of Boots in the "Let Me In The Sound" intro.

Besides, how is this different from a long extended intro of "Television: The Drug of A Nation"along with the extended video/audio montage before Zoo Station?  It is around the same length but with this idea, we actually get an extra live U2 song.  It replaces the prerecorded intros

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2010, 11:12:50 PM »
I'd take the buildup before/during Breathe over the buildup before/during Fez any day, and Breathe has an added plus of being able to see them.  You're idea is pretty interesting but not to feasible

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2010, 09:21:21 AM »
I absolutely LOVED Breathe as an opener....that said, Magnificent is a fantastic opener too, and I have to agree with previous posters that it's the 'safe' choice. IMO the next-best opener to Breathe...Edge could come out first instead of Larry and take the back ramp, start the song, while the others emerge one by one (in order: Larry, Adam, Bono).


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Re: New Opener
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2010, 08:31:16 PM »

For me Breathe is a good live song but not at all a good opener (regardless of the idea for FezBeing Born I just proposed).  Think and compare to previous opening songs:

Where The Streets Have No Name:  It has a long extended organ intro and every building crescendo.  The band comes in silhouetted against the Red back drop (so here, we only we the figures not the faces).  Then when the song really kicks into high gear the white flood lights flood and overwhelm the audience.  This has true build up, and layers.  It builds anticipation and excitement by giving revealing a little bit more and layered stages/steps.  You dont see them right away and this get you more excited for when you do finally see them

ZooTV:  A long extended video montage, a sensory overload of images set to "Television: The Drug of A Nation" by Disposable Heroes of Hypocrisy.  Anticipation is again built up because the house lights have gone out, and the stage has come alive.  Again, we dont see the band.  Much like a horror or suspense or even comedy or fantasy, what you dont see but are merely teased with makes you anticipate it and want it more.  This is actually very common technique.  When you dont see the villain, the monster, the joke coming but you might hear it or see a small glimpse, it heightens your senese.  ZooTV, like Streets, gradually gives us a little bit more and more before we get to even see the band.  The intro section of ZooTV lasts more than 5 minutes.  In those 5 minutes (literally, check the bootlegs), the crowd is worked into a frenzy.  When Zoo Station finally starts, the crowd is already worked up.  But they continues to tease even more.  There is a minute of Bono's silhouette dancing against the giant screen before we really seem them.

Popmart:  Another Long extended intro.  Although you see them right away, what they do different here is come out right in the middle of the audience and take a long walk down the runway.  So again, the intro is layered, a little more is revealed or amped up in stages.  But there are some small subtle reveals as well, like Bono still draped in the boxer's hood and robe until midway through the song

Elevation:  They did the opposite.  Here they did something I have and still have never seen in a concert before.  It was a bold more and a HUGE ENORMOUS BALLSY statement.  They came out with the HOUSE LIGHTS still on, walking on stage, with no stage lights on.  So here there is immediate surprise/shock factor.  Even with the internet and knowing they do this, it still continued to feel surprising.   But, on top of this they again layer the intro.  First they tease us by playing the recorded remix of Elevation.  Then, instead of kicking the song into high gear and dropping the house lights right away, they play it somewhat slow, and really get the crowd chanting and singing along.  But midway, when they really tear into the song, that is when the house lights finally drop and the stage lights go up!  The song itself is one of U2 most energetic and rocking live songs, ever, if not THE ultimate U2 live rock song.  The crowd ALWAYS comes alive, not just in cheering and singing, but every is up and moving more than any other U3 song (Streets is a different kind of song, its vibe is more unifying and euphoric.  The intro is high energy, bold, full of balls purpose and statement and fun as hell, but still delivered in a layered gradual manner revealing more as the song went on.

Love and Peace Or Else/City of Blinding Lights/Vertigo:  For the first time in at least 3 tours (maybe more?) there was more than 1 opening song at a U2 show.  And at the beginning of the 1st leg you truly were not sure which one you would get (although you could guess, if you knew which song they played in the same city the previous nite).  So here there was a little bit of anticaition and mystery.  Love & Peace was eventually retired as an opener.  Vertigo was mainly relegated to the summer Europe outdoor tour,  With City of Blinding Lights, here again, it was a layered  opening - long intro, lighting/video intensity changes midway, and then the confetti near climax... oh yeah, and did I mention you dont see Bono for quite some time?

Breathe:  No real layered reveals.  House lights go out plainly (in Europe it was still light outside, but in the states it was dark), band comes out on stage with standard lighting and minimal boring band video.  There are not much change shift or buildup in the temp or intensity.  No iconic imagery.  The song itself is more of a midtempo rocker, with not much of a solo or a build, no crescendo, no sing along.  It is performed great, but it lacks the intensity build or intensity or mystery needed for a great concert opener.  The solo is good, but it doesnt intensify the song or send it or the audeince into a frenzy.  Comparatively it lacks the punch, energy or mystery of a great opener.

I think the majority of people would vote for Streets, ZooTV, and Elevation as the best openers by far.  Breathe just lacks any of the elements that make all of these AMAZING openers.  All 3 have the mystery, the build up, the dynamic tempo shift, crescendo, the long intro (this is the only this Breathe has, but even here pales in comparison), and all have been iconic visually as well.  They all have a unique specialness to them.  Breathe didnt really have this.  By comparison, it is the worst opener by far (goign back to JT tour).  I am glad they are trying something else.
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Re: New Opener
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2010, 11:14:59 AM »
Has anyone considered the fact that it might be a new opening in the sense that we won't hear the "Kingdom" song on the PA but something else instead?

I've always said that they could and should use Fez as the song they come on stage to.. then just play the first verse then merge it into Boots or something.

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Re: New Opener
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 02:06:33 PM »
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I'd take the buildup before/during Breathe over the buildup before/during Fez any day, and Breathe has an added plus of being able to see them.  You're idea is pretty interesting but not to feasible

I don't see what's so unfeasible about it. I think it would be cool if the opening sequence was complete darkness and silence, then a video appears on the screen from the view of a motorbike travelling slowly along a deserted road at the start of dawn. All you can hear is the engine noises, then slowly some quiet eno-esque ambient music creeps in and crescendos (similar to the record), with the faint "let me in the sound" bits. The motorbike moves faster as the music crescendos, and the sun keeps rising too, until it reaches it's climax and the guitars kick in whilst Bono and Edge start to bellow out their "Ah-aah's". At that same point the lights turn on and the band are already on stage. The video screen continues to show the motorbike view for a few seconds, now travelling at breakneck speed with glorious sunshine as a backdrop, before cutting to the band as the song kicks off proper.

That's what I'd like to see. It would be a bit different to any other intro they've done, and it would revolve around a key thematic idea of the album.