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satellitedog01

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2010, 07:47:45 AM »
I've been reading an interview with Edge from the time of the release of ATYCLB, and he mentioned they were taken by the new technology (digital recording method with digital sequencing software) allowed them to mess around with song structures as long as they want to, without quality loss, hence without the need to commit themselves to any version of a song, and no necessary decisions.

Technology is a bad thing for U2.

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2010, 12:45:00 PM »
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I've been reading an interview with Edge from the time of the release of ATYCLB, and he mentioned they were taken by the new technology (digital recording method with digital sequencing software) allowed them to mess around with song structures as long as they want to, without quality loss, hence without the need to commit themselves to any version of a song, and no necessary decisions.

Technology is a bad thing for U2.

A bold statement to make! I can't agree with such a general statement (I mean ZooTV wasn't a bad thing for U2!), although in this context I may be inclined to agree with you. But at the end of the day they have to move with the times or else they become dinosaurs.

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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2010, 01:28:04 PM »
You are right, I should've made it more clear, technology is harmful to U2's studio output.
And it's strange that noone's noticed the negative effects of it at all. Not even with the last album. I like the way they used technology in the live arena in the '90s and on the Vertigo tour, however, I really hate the wait for new albums being over 3 years long, so my previous post should be read in context. I stick to that part firmly.

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2010, 01:35:57 PM »
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You are right, I should've made it more clear, technology is harmful to U2's studio output.
And it's strange that noone's noticed the negative effects of it at all. Not even with the last album. I like the way they used technology in the live arena in the '90s and on the Vertigo tour, however, I really hate the wait for new albums being over 3 years long, so my previous post should be read in context. I stick to that part firmly.

I certainly agree that they fiddle about with their songs too much now, and it seems like modern production techniques cater to that approach.

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2010, 02:44:16 PM »
The best example of the shortcomings of this approach is the difference between NLOTH and the few Moroccan snippets of its preproduction sessions (the Fez videos of an early Magnificent jam and Unknown Caller).

I would much prefer an album of somewhat looser, more live material without the frozen, plasticky Eno sheen.

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2010, 08:21:14 AM »
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I've been reading an interview with Edge from the time of the release of ATYCLB, and he mentioned they were taken by the new technology (digital recording method with digital sequencing software) allowed them to mess around with song structures as long as they want to, without quality loss, hence without the need to commit themselves to any version of a song, and no necessary decisions.

Technology is a bad thing for U2.

It' clear to me that U2 is approaching technology the wrong way.  Sure recording advances are probably brilliant and make the process easier on the whole.  But lets not forget that technology is not just new advances, technology is everywhere and society has advanced negatively towards a need now society thanks in part to technology.  All this means is that U2 taking forever and thinking and rethinking and then thinking again has caused U2 to spend too much time in the studio.  Sure U2 is still selling out stadiums, but technology also reveals set lists before the band plays them.  And U2's ties to technology have left them with a rigid set structure.

In my opinion nothing would be more ground breaking for U2 then to go into the studio and be done with 11-12 songs in 2 weeks.  Just go with their gut and utilize the new advanced technology as a method to speed up the process instead of causing them to fiddle around too much.  For all the fiddling U2 does most songs end up with the same structure and jam on the breaks (ala Elevation, Beautiful Day, Vertigo, NLOTH and tons of others) at almost the same point of every song.  Fear of failure makes you over think and not trust the gut that led to those songs on boy.  Which oddly enough they have still maintained that stucture from IWF and Out of Control.

U2 needs to leave the cut and paste world of recording software and bang out raw energy again.  They would sure learn a lot about themselves that way.

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2010, 09:19:05 AM »
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I would much prefer an album of somewhat looser, more live material without the frozen, plasticky Eno sheen.

This is a terrific comment, IMO, although I can't lay all the blame for this quality at Eno's feet -- I mean, what about a song like 'Electrical Storm', which Eno was nowhere near, but sounds like it's encased in a cheesy Madonna-esque audio embalment courtesy of producer William Orbit?

(I also think technology has given us many incredible U2 songs - almost all my favorite songs on Zooropa and Pop are the ones which use technology to a certain extent - it's the slapdash 'traditional' rock/folk numbers on those records that come off as rushed and mediocre.)

I've been listening to the Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street again, and the new Dead Weather album Sea of Cowards - both are so raw and un-fussed with, and so amazing and immediate.  How incredible would it be for U2 to just say "to hell with the producers and the digital effects" and just hit us with some straight up, Dublin barroom, badass gutbucket rock tunes?

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2010, 11:17:10 AM »
Well, while over-production can be a factor, I have ENORMOUSLY preferred the final version of just about every U2 song I can think of to the original versions where available- be it in early stuff from Fez or songs like 'Native Son' and 'Always'. I have faith in Eno.

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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2010, 12:07:44 PM »
I have to confess I'm more a fan of Flood+team's work. They had the technology, but managed to make quicker production decisions, delivered with a ballsy sound.
Concerning Eno, I would very much like him to be there at preproduction/songwriting sessions, but only up to finishing the structures and arrangements, then leave them with a good recording/mix engineer.
He's very good at strategies, however, minute mixing changes (like Streets and Wild Horses, and the 500 mad Mofos) are not strategies.

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2010, 12:14:52 PM »
The Dead Weather album is in fact really powerful and quite accesabble, I watched the live promo concert on Myspace, and it worked excellently.
U2 have lots of energy in their music, and I really want them to do a "basement/garage" record, with songs like Summer Rain, Big Girls, Holy Joe, Wild Honey. Something throwaway but alive.

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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2010, 05:50:58 AM »
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I would much prefer an album of somewhat looser, more live material without the frozen, plasticky Eno sheen.


Yes, that's it. But not all of Eno's influence is plastic. Far from it. Too bad that on the NLOTH album, his synths have mostly been of the plastic variety.


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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2010, 06:29:16 AM »
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I would much prefer an album of somewhat looser, more live material without the frozen, plasticky Eno sheen.


Yes, that's it. But not all of Eno's influence is plastic. Far from it. Too bad that on the NLOTH album, his synths have mostly been of the plastic variety.


i really agree with dali here. the magnificent synths were really dull.

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Re: Working on 3 new Albums!
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2010, 01:33:30 PM »
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I'd imagine they might mix Songs of Ascent with new tunes they've written very recently possibly for a release later this year.

Maybe as a double album, one CD of SOA and the other the "new songs".  I think we'll get "Songs Of Accent" maybe by years end.  I expect it all to be released seperatly, but that's only my opinion.