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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2009, 12:40:11 AM »
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NLOTH will be a lot like POP.

U2 promised never to repeat the POP mistake again - which is to book a tour without finishing the album.

For NLOTH, U2 actually extended their studio time to finish the songs.

So NLOTH will not be like POP at all.  Actually, POP is the only one of its kind unless you consider the Hansa Tapes.

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J

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2009, 03:09:58 AM »
I think it's time you stopped hiding in the 'POP' closet Jick...you're so far in you've probably had the odd adventure or two in Narnia.

Anyone up for Educating Jick on the greatness of Pop?

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2009, 03:40:48 AM »
I think you need to be eduacted............ POP was a joke

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2009, 03:43:39 AM »
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I think you need to be eduacted............ POP was a joke

Are you hiding in the closet with Jick there? C'mon guys...it's alright - you can come out now  :P

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2009, 06:38:46 AM »
Ok class, we shall resume session.

Here are Mullen and Clayton's words about POP from the book U2 By U2.

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EDGE

"It took us about halfway through the tour to figure out how we were going to work the show.  But as it came together it was truly amazing.  We rearranged a lot of the songs.  We dropped 'Do You Feel Loved' quite early on. 'Discotheque' got heavily restructured. 'Staring At The Sun' was stripped right down to just an acoustic duet. 'Gone' had a new guitar part. 'Velvet Dress' was higher and more direct. 'Mofo' became almost a heavy rock song. 'Miami' got much darker."


ADAM CLAYTON

"We spent a  lot of that tour playing catch-up.  We rehearsed whenever we could.  We went into studios to remix and re-record songs for singles.  We worked very hard to turn that around."


PAUL MCGUINNES

"The rest of that campaign was spent trying to drag that elusive hit out of the album that would revive its fortunes.  We all loved 'Please' but that summer Edge, Howie and Bono spent weeks in a recording truck in a hotel car park in France between gigs tring to get a mix that would turn it into a hit single.  They never did."

On Staring At The Sun: "We thought we had an ace to play whenever we needed it, which was 'Staring At The Sun.' We thought it was a solid gold number one hit. It clearly wasn't the song we thought it was."


LARRY MULLEN JR.

On Please: "It it a great song but I don't feel it was finished. Like the rest of that album. A few extra weeks would have made all the difference to those songs."

"I had to replay sampled loops that Howie had used without permission.  I was scrambling to try and get fit and scrambling to get my parts completed for the songs."

"If we had two or three more months to work, we would have had a very different record.  I would like someday to rework those songs and give them the attention and time that they deserve.  It is sort of a U2ism, being unable to let go, and I am unable to let go of that record."

"We were crossing into unknown territory and it felt like skating on thin ice but I think the instinct was right.  I just don't think the execution was all it could have been."

"Had the album been finished, we could have got away with doing K-Mart, having a bad opening show, having a lemon on stage, all those things.  The difficulty was that the record wasn't able to support all these new, bright ideas."

"The Best Of albums give you an opportunity to look back at your work and appreciate it.  Well, most of it.  We had a chance to remix some of the Pop tracks which helped a bit but didn't quite lay the ghost of Pop to rest.  I still have this probably mad idea that we might finish those songs one day."

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J




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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2009, 06:41:54 AM »
and I was having such a great day

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2009, 06:43:06 AM »
Again Jick thank you for proving my point that POP was a disappointing album!

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2009, 06:59:55 AM »
aaaaw you should go on a road trip together, how sweet, so you actually think that he proved something?

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2009, 07:04:53 AM »
Jick and I have disagreed so many times on other topic's but on this one he is completely right !

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #99 on: February 12, 2009, 07:05:47 AM »
I do agree Pop doesnt ring my bell the way other albums do...

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2009, 07:28:50 AM »
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Ok class, we shall resume session.

Here are Mullen and Clayton's words about POP from the book U2 By U2.



How long....to sing this song......how long.......to sing this song?

If we're talking about education here Jick...lets take it back to pre-school because this is very basic:

U2 band members’ opinions affect our opinions of them BUT not our enjoyment of their music. It…is…very….simple.

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2009, 07:30:49 AM »
Do not feed the trolls. "U2#1" started out despising Jick's trolling, now he's apparently obsessed about surpassing it.


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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2009, 07:37:51 AM »
I have been very verbal about how i cant stand Jick but i agree with him about POP/ and that's all. ATYCLB is not even close to a third masterpiece like he thinks

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2009, 07:43:32 AM »
Again, if people want to agree about my views on POP, do it in the appropriate threads where I state my views.

In this thread/topic I am just posting the band's own words.

Cheers,

J

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Re: POP: The High Watermark Of U2's Frustration and Their Most Turbulent Period
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2009, 07:46:11 AM »
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I have been very verbal about how i cant stand Jick but i agree with him about POP/ and that's all. ATYCLB is not even close to a third masterpiece like he thinks

Ah...sorry if I spoiled a rare moment of agreement between the 2 of you.