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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2009, 07:56:36 AM »
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Oh well - I just felt the line 'I want nothing that you're not' doesn't make sense. It's a double negative.


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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2009, 07:59:48 AM »
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You're right up to a point. The herd mentality in never something that's appealed to me  - and U2 fans are rather like sheep.

That said, U2 used to be my favourite band. I went all over the world to see them. But, I think they've lost a lot of what made them special.

Anthony02 is right, someone at some point is going to throw their toys at you, to borrow his phrase. Not because you're posting negative opinions, but because you seem to be here mainly to post coments that will get people here riled up. You obviously don't like U2 anymore, and that's fine. But it's going to make a lot of people wonder why you come into the U2 forums to post things such as "Pride is rubbish" and "U2 fans are rather like sheep." Broad, inflammatory statements like that will not get you respect. It just comes off as bullying and annoying for the sake of being annoying. So be prepared...

That being said, I tend to agree that Mercy, as a song, is quite overrated. I kept hearing people talk about it like it was the greatest song U2 had ever recorded, and when I finally heard it, I was a bit disappointed. It's kind of mediocre. Not a horrible song, but not the gift from heaven most fans made it out to be, either.

I look at mercy in the context of htdaab, it's better than almost anything on there.

Context is a great thing.....


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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2009, 08:02:28 AM »

Maybe musically but really:

'I know i'm weedkiller honey... and you're sugar
If you're the prosecution... i get away with murder
If you were ice... i'm water'

'I know i'm weedkiller honey... and you're sugar' - why would a gorwn man write that?

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2009, 08:02:58 AM »
there will always be Bono lyrical clunkers even on the greatest of albums ("your salt water kisses" ????wtf????)

However, the last album to have consistently great lyrics with minimal clunkers was Pop.



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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2009, 08:05:29 AM »
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Maybe musically but really:

'I know i'm weedkiller honey... and you're sugar
If you're the prosecution... i get away with murder
If you were ice... i'm water'

'I know i'm weedkiller honey... and you're sugar' - why would a gorwn man write that?

I know, but it's about par for the course for that album (romance / distance ???)

And the submarine/gasoline thing has me a wee bit worried going forward but like everyone else let's wait and see




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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2009, 08:09:04 AM »
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I was listening to 'Mercy' on youtube and have come to the conclusion Bono has become one of the worst lyricists in popular music:

'I know Im weed killer, honey, and youre sugar
If youre the prosecution I get away with murder
If you were ice, Im water
And with your telescope I can see further
Were binary code, a one and a zero'

Or try

'I want the lot of what you got
And I want nothing that you're not'

from Original of the Species.

And this is from a man who can write beautiful words like:

'And I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance between a man and a woman

For love and faith and sex and fear
And all the things that keep us here
In the mysterious distance between a man and a woman'



Do not be too harsh on Mercy.  That was never ever released for crying out loud.  That is not counted in the U2 cannon.  There are definitely reasons why it never saw the light of day and the lyrics maybe be among them.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2009, 08:10:21 AM »
Yall are having a cow over a song that was a throw away......

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2009, 08:13:33 AM »

We are using it as an example young man.

There are plently of other songs with brilliant lines and truly awful ones...

'Tough
You think you've got the stuff
You're telling me and anyone you're hard enough
You don't have to put up a fight
You don't have to always be right
Let me take some of the punches for you tonight' - genius

'Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head' - what?

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2009, 08:18:12 AM »
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We are using it as an example young man.

There are plently of other songs with brilliant lines and truly awful ones...

'Tough
You think you've got the stuff
You're telling me and anyone you're hard enough
You don't have to put up a fight
You don't have to always be right
Let me take some of the punches for you tonight' - genius

'Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head' - what?

I actually like "Miracle Drug" quite a lot. And I like the analogy there. I think he was just equating freedom with being pure and simple and something that can't really be bad. I don't think it's a bad lyric at all...

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2009, 08:26:39 AM »

Yeah, it's a great song but that lyric makes me cringe.

Let's hope the new LP is better although I read a review on here (which has subsequently been taken off (another case on no one being allowed to say anything negative)) which quoted some lyrics about finding some oranges in a tank.


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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2009, 08:29:53 AM »
just b/c people dont understand lyrics does not make them bad

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2009, 08:31:46 AM »

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2009, 08:32:46 AM »
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We are using it as an example young man.

There are plently of other songs with brilliant lines and truly awful ones...

'Tough
You think you've got the stuff
You're telling me and anyone you're hard enough
You don't have to put up a fight
You don't have to always be right
Let me take some of the punches for you tonight' - genius

'Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head' - what?

I actually like "Miracle Drug" quite a lot. And I like the analogy there. I think he was just equating freedom with being pure and simple and something that can't really be bad. I don't think it's a bad lyric at all...

Me neither. I think there's a lot of bandwagon jumping when it comes to that lyric.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2009, 09:00:08 AM »
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just b/c people dont understand lyrics does not make them bad

agreed,
there is that thing called poetry, and lines like 'Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head' are some kind of poetry. In my opinion poetry is a ability to look deeper and feel in a different way and when you think about it that way, you can realise that sometimes freedom can indeed smell, and sometimes that smell can be like a top of a newborn baby's head.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2009, 10:39:59 AM »
I like U2 and had not heard Mercy until reading another board.  I went to youtube and listened to the song.  My God, those are some bad lyrics.  Right up there with Miracle Drug and Original of the Species.  Lyrics only stick out when they're really bad.  I mean, I don't have a problem with Numb, Some Days, or Playboy Mansion.  But when you try for some real emotion (ie miracle drug, mercy, all because of you) and miss terribly with awful lyrics, it just sounds bad, really bad.  I hate to pile it on since I like the group, but the lyrics have been getting worse.