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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2009, 12:41:25 PM »
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I presume you're referring to oral s*x. Can I write the 's' word on here?

I don't think 'did i leave a bad taste in your mouth' is anything to do with it...

'sex' isn't a bad word. it's how you got here  ;)

so the whole stork thing was bull??

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2009, 01:04:34 PM »
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I presume you're referring to oral s*x. Can I write the 's' word on here?

I don't think 'did i leave a bad taste in your mouth' is anything to do with it...

'sex' isn't a bad word. it's how you got here  ;)

so the whole stork thing was bull??

lol..I didn't see that coming  ::)  ;D

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2009, 02:17:34 PM »
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I presume you're referring to oral s*x. Can I write the 's' word on here?

I don't think 'did i leave a bad taste in your mouth' is anything to do with it...

'sex' isn't a bad word. it's how you got here  ;)

so the whole stork thing was bull??

lol..I didn't see that coming  ::)  ;D

I got here with oral???? LOL

To answer the original question, no.  Some of the most original and challenging lyrics come from this man.  He sure ain't perfect ("intellectual tortoise" "screaming flower") but Mercy in particular moves the hell out of me.

Love is where I lie
Love puts the blue back in my eye
Love has come again
I am gone again

Love has got to be with the weak
Only then love gets a chance to speak

And Original of the Species might be the best song on HTDAAB, IMHO.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2009, 04:08:54 PM »
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I presume you're referring to oral s*x. Can I write the 's' word on here?

I don't think 'did i leave a bad taste in your mouth' is anything to do with it...

'sex' isn't a bad word. it's how you got here  ;)

so the whole stork thing was bull??

lol..I didn't see that coming  ::)  ;D

I got here with oral???? LOL

To answer the original question, no.  Some of the most original and challenging lyrics come from this man.  He sure ain't perfect ("intellectual tortoise" "screaming flower") but Mercy in particular moves the hell out of me.

Love is where I lie
Love puts the blue back in my eye
Love has come again
I am gone again

Love has got to be with the weak
Only then love gets a chance to speak

And Original of the Species might be the best song on HTDAAB, IMHO.

I agree. As for OOTS, what the heck does "I'll give you everything you want
Except the thing that you want" mean?

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2009, 04:13:26 PM »
I think he's trying something along the lines of I can't live with or without you" in which there is an inherent contradiction in what he is trying to express     There's always one thing we can never do as a parent or a partner that can make our kids/other partner happy, so I think he's saying "I'll do what I can but I can't do that"     Meatloaf, anyone?  LOL

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2009, 04:28:48 PM »
Bono can write what ever he wants and people will fawn.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2009, 04:37:52 PM »
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Bono can write what ever he wants and people will fawn.

But, if you find his lyric a yawn...will Chris Martin "fix you"?   :P

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2009, 04:50:06 PM »
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Bono can write what ever he wants and people will fawn.

And hardcore fans like me will also know when he's written some dumb lines, like the ones I pointed out earlier in the thread. ("My Mammy!!!") And the Playboy Mansions' lyrics about OJ and Michael Jackson are painfully dated now.  Doesn't mean he's not a great writer.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2009, 04:58:54 PM »
But in both Miami and the Playboy Mansion, he's got some great lines as well.

We could make something beautiful, something that wouldn't be a problem.

Chance is a kind of religion where you're damned for playing hard luck

The banks, they're like cathedrals.  I guess casinos took their place.  Love, come on down.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2009, 05:32:36 PM »
a lot of good stuff there! Also, Until The End of The World is one of my favorites. The way Bono became Judas in that song and talking about The Last Supper is BRILLIANT! THAT IS AMAZZZZZZING WRITING especially in a Pop/Rock song.

We ate the food, we drank the wine
Everybody having a good time
Except you
You were talking about the end of the world
I took the money
I spiked your drink
You miss too much these days if you stop to think
You lead me on with those innocent eyes
You know I love the element of surprise
In the garden I was playing the tart
I kissed your lips and broke your heart
You...you were acting like it was
The end of the world
................... Waves of regret and waves of joy
I reached out for the one I tried to destroy
You...you said you'd wait
'til the end of the world.

Not many Rock lyricists can do that!

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2009, 05:40:09 PM »
The greatest problem with Bono Vox is the distance between his best and worst lyrics.

He truly writes some magnificent stuff but he also writes some stuff that he simply doesn’t pay enough attention to.

Eno and Lanios used to be a good team mainly because they could tell Bono Vox when something wasn’t up to standard. I am not sure if that relationship is the same now.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2009, 07:39:32 PM »
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The greatest problem with Bono Vox is the distance between his best and worst lyrics.

He truly writes some magnificent stuff but he also writes some stuff that he simply doesn’t pay enough attention to.

Eno and Lanios used to be a good team mainly because they could tell Bono Vox when something wasn’t up to standard. I am not sure if that relationship is the same now.


There definitely has been stylistic shifts. He used to read a lot of poetry I think. But, now it's more direct. Sometimes that's good and sometimes it's not. Eno used to come in with a chalkboard of what words were overly used/cliches and words that describe jumping off points. So, During AB they were aware of falling into cliches and using words like 'streets' or 'city'. Eno & Lanois have been a great team because they are different but what they bring to the table compliments the music. I guess we will see if that happens again this time! Surely, the fact that they were asked to also be writing partners must've had them pretty excited.  :D


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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2009, 08:00:06 PM »
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But in both Miami and the Playboy Mansion, he's got some great lines as well.

We could make something beautiful, something that wouldn't be a problem.

Chance is a kind of religion where you're damned for playing hard luck

The banks, they're like cathedrals.  I guess casinos took their place.  Love, come on down.
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The greatest problem with Bono Vox is the distance between his best and worst lyrics.

He truly writes some magnificent stuff but he also writes some stuff that he simply doesn’t pay enough attention to.

Eno and Lanios used to be a good team mainly because they could tell Bono Vox when something wasn’t up to standard. I am not sure if that relationship is the same now.




I once told someone that I would rather watch U2 and Bono fall flat on their face with their efforts than a lot of other bands "succeed" with the same drivel they crank out time after time.  Bono has always been "a nice bunch of guys" and full of contradictions.  "Miami" is a great lightning rod song for this topic because of both of the points you two bring up. Its great and awful all at once, kind of like America. Bono and the boys are still drawn to the bright lights and the vicious underbelly of this country, as evidenced by GOYB. The Playboy Mansion also contains one of my favorite lyrics

Then will there be no time for sorrow
Then will there be no time for shame
And though I can't say why
I know I've got to believe

And the chorus on Original of the Species brings me goosebumps.

Everywhere you go you shout it
You don't have to be shy about it

Even on All Because of You, right after talking about being an "intellectual tortoise" we have an unabashed praise of God

Some people get squashed crossing the tracks
Some people got high rises on their backs
I'm not broke, but you can see the cracks
You can make me perfect again

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2009, 10:44:51 AM »
He's always been spotty.  When he's on he's one of the best, and when he's off he's terrible.  Same goes for the singing, and for their music.  Still, he's better than anything on the radio wasteland.

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Re: Has Bono lost the plot lyrically?
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2009, 04:12:42 AM »
Sometimes you have to mine a lot of coal to find a few diamonds.

To be fair, there's no one out there who can consistently write brilliant lines for every verse, of every song on every album. There are going to be some lines that blow people's minds or resonate with them, and yet there will be others where you ask yourself, where the hell does the come from or what does it mean. I suspect some of us could do no better than "The sky is blue / I love you"

I agree with BIB that the distance between some of Bono's best and worst lyrics is quite a long way. I'm still not quite ready to forgive the use of "intellectual tortoise" and "busy intersection" on the last album. Yet I can marvel at the idea behind "I want to trip inside your head / Spend the day there / To hear the things you haven’t said / And see what you might see" in Miracle Drug.

IMHO the quality of the lyrics on the last 2 albums was compromised by all his external activities. Hopefully, he's been more focussed this time around.

And just for the record, he knew exactly when MLK died but used poetic licence because 'early evening' didn't flow right.