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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #150 on: March 30, 2011, 06:35:08 PM »
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.

That's where our agreement parts company.




What would have made a good lead single in your opinion?

You know what, I don't think there are any songs on NLOTH that would have made a radio friendly type lead single like Vertigo or Beautiful Day.

The best songs on the album wouldn't have done i.e MOS, Cedars, FEZ, WAS, Magnificent, Breathe; and the self consciously commercial songs like Crazy Boots Suc are just average at best.


 

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #151 on: March 30, 2011, 07:01:34 PM »
We agree on our love for the commercially doomed MoS and Cedars at least. Great songs. :)

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #152 on: March 30, 2011, 07:18:25 PM »
Ok....so our friend south of Texas has issues with their current path. I'm fine with that and respect it. My issue...You think a band is done? Move on.....Go find other boards to follow and new bands to listen to. How this becomes an argument is beyond me. If I buy food from a Restaurant that has gone south over the years, do I keep going back? No I move on. So what is the mentality of a person that is so irate at a band's performance that they threaten to lambaste them on tour and complain on boards? Just move on....I completely understand the frustration some fans have but Come on already. If you are sold that this is it then bail.  Why put forth the effort and money just to whine and complain?  Me...I had my epiphany with U2 back in the "Pop" days. Why? It was such a radical departure from what drew me to them. Looking back, Im glad I didn't split. Were all passionate about U2 but at some point of disdain, you need to move on. I'm going nowhere....

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2011, 07:25:59 PM »
Magnificent is the only STRONG contender for a single, and i don't think it would of done great. Of the Crazy/Boots/SUC trio, i think Boots had the best chance of being the strongest single, and, no. And i've always thought Vertigo was more of an Elevation redux the Boots as a Vertigo redux. if that makes sense.

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #154 on: March 31, 2011, 12:42:43 AM »
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Magnificent is the only STRONG contender for a single, and i don't think it would of done great. Of the Crazy/Boots/SUC trio, i think Boots had the best chance of being the strongest single, and, no. And i've always thought Vertigo was more of an Elevation redux the Boots as a Vertigo redux. if that makes sense.

It does. I just find the riff in Boots to be a shameless redux of Vertigo's riff. Or at least a case of "that worked last time, let's do the exact same thing again!"

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #155 on: March 31, 2011, 03:11:32 AM »
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Exile, I totally disagree.  I'm glad the X-Files continued on through their clunky but entertaining seasons following season five.  Why would you want to go back in time and kill a good four years' worth of Sunday nights for me?

Come on, Smoking Man in the cave with that Indian chick? Puh-leeze!

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Perhaps the problem, if there is one, is that U2 continues to want to be "the biggest band in the world."  It's likely that due to the costs of the 360 Tour they need to do what they can to fill seats...hence playing the "greatest hits tour" you've said they are playing.

For someone who disagrees with me, we sure sound a lot alike.

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The best thing they could do for themselves in the future is to stop trying to conquer the music industry with every release and just relax and make music.

I think I disagree that you disagree with me.

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I can't see them ever being a band that has to play the state fair and casino circuit and I don't think they'll ever be a band that plays smaller venues like The Paramount in Seattle...which is exactly where I'd love to see them play someday.

So would I, I love that place. If they did play a venue like that they could re-arrange a lot of their songs to perform them in a lower key, thus opening up a whole world of setlist possibilities (I've explained this theory in depth here before, I won't rehash it now).

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I'd be happy with less eventful and more frequent U2 releases into the future myself and think that every artist should keep making art into their old age.

Agreed, and I've argued that the sooner the band embraces their age, the cooler they will be.

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Why so apocalyptic, Exile?

Funny you should ask. Suffice it to say it sort of comes with the territory for a person with a day job like mine.

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #156 on: March 31, 2011, 03:43:23 AM »
What gets me is that,some people keep complaining about Nloth sales compared to other big acts,I just read that,that dread full beaber child has sold as many (maybe less) copies of it's cd than Nloth has & he's supposed to be the biggest thong since sliced bread. & as for the people complaining that u2 are over & winging about relative,best of set lists I've got one thing to say to you.STOP following then around of you don't like them it's simple don't go. I went to the 2 sydney shows & loved every minute & would go more if finaces allowed even if they played the same dame song all night for 2 weeks. Like some one else said I'm not going any ware I will continue 2 wate for the new album, & if u wanna call some one old & time to retire why not go pick on old/half dead stones or acdc cause there the money grobers who have nothing new to offer any body leave u2 alone!!

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #157 on: March 31, 2011, 07:20:48 AM »
I've said that I wouldnt mind if Bono sang the phone book all night. I'm sure the band could come up with some funky sounds to go along with that.

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #158 on: March 31, 2011, 03:50:20 PM »
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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #159 on: March 31, 2011, 04:29:18 PM »
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Why? And why on every thread?

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #160 on: March 31, 2011, 06:17:25 PM »
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #161 on: March 31, 2011, 06:18:32 PM »
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #162 on: March 31, 2011, 06:19:46 PM »
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P

Yep.  :D

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #163 on: March 31, 2011, 08:30:17 PM »
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P

Yep.  :D

You're so silly, Middy.  8)

Not that that's a bad thing.

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Re: U2 are Over!
« Reply #164 on: April 01, 2011, 12:49:54 AM »
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Exile, I agree with most of what you've written about where U2 is at in the past year or so...but I never go so far in my own thinking or posts to suggest that the band needs to do this or that or else they're finished.  That seems kind of fatalistic. 

Just to reiterate, what I said was that U2 are in trouble if they wait another few years to put out an album that is neither critically acclaimed nor commercially and culturally important. Maybe I'm just a sky-is-falling type guy, but that does not sound all that fatalistic to me. In fact, it seems pretty obvious.

Weighing the two options, it seems to me that the likelihood of U2, in their mid-50s, releasing an album that grabs the attention of the popular culture, while not impossible, is pretty unlikely (not to mention unprecedented). If that's a fair position, then I would advise U2 to release ballsy and challenging albums that will please their core fanbase. And there's nothing that says they can't also tour as a greatest hits act as well to make a little coin (though I would prefer they not), but it would be great if they also followed Dice's advice and added some small-venue shows that highlighted their more experimental side.

Who, me apocalyptic?